Mini 1777: Varied Music Mafia: Finale

[Katsuki]

I will follow any lurker lynches camn chooses to pursue...

VOTE: DRK

p.s. this is actually a good song that RC chose. His lives are even better.

[Katsuki]

For the record, I'm essentially V/LA from Mon-Fri, and weekends if I have to work overtime... In camncamn I trust and I shall sheep you off a cliff.

p.s. You probably heard from 2010, if anything players who know me will say a lurky Katsuki is a town Katsuki.

[Katsuki]

UNVOTE, VOTE THUR

[Katsuki]

For the record, I'm essentially V/LA from Mon-Fri, and weekends if I have to work overtime... In camncamn I trust and I shall sheep you off a cliff.

p.s. You probably heard from 2010, if anything players who know me will say a lurky Katsuki is a town Katsuki.

^ Should be replaced; Let's PL Katsuki for lyrking

VOTE: Katsuki

In all seriousness though, pls don't lurk

good luck ever forcing a policy lynch through on me for lurking rofl

6 years and no one has ever been able to do that. I highly doubt you'll be the first.

[Katsuki]

alalalalala too many to kill

camn join me on this shiny wagon and i give you KTS tomorrow?

Also you imply that you would support a policy lynch on me depending on circumstances? ;_;

[Katsuki]

His ISO. None of his stances nor posts are natural.

Just trust me~ I hate explaining myself in game threads~~~

[Katsuki]

Also I like power-lurking... there's nothing more fun than lurking for months at a time ._.

Granted it'll be hard to lurk for 2 months in a mini but well.

[Katsuki]

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[Katsuki]

@mod pls fix my beaufitul hammer above

[Katsuki]

It's the kind that ends up with you dead, instead of just getting a dumb fakeclaim and everyone backs off.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

SO MUCH THIS

[Katsuki]

Someone hammer he is forsure scum.

[Katsuki]

That was a scum response.

[Katsuki]

What a terribad vote lmao

KILL IT WITH FIRE

[Katsuki]

I'm fine with all the names you mentioned dying. I don't particularly care in what order.

[Katsuki]

Jesus Kats-. You are so right about how many people need to die.

Aren't I always?

[Katsuki]

Lynch Thur, he will flip scum and so will KTS.

[Katsuki]

I mean, camncamn is a VI but that's besides the point~

[Katsuki]

I was being entirely sarcastic about camn being a VI.

My case against him is his ISO and the fact that he drew a scum PM. I'm sorry that your buddy is going down so early.

[Katsuki]

It's so easy to say, "Well he's scum!?! XDDDD," but making a case? I guess that's harder for scum like yourself.

Only scum make cases.

As Chamber's title states:

"cases are scummy"

[Katsuki]

Lynch Thur, he will flip scum and so will KTS.

You suck. I don't trust you at all.

IM SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU OVER ALL MY BEST TOWN AND SCUM PERFORMANCE SCUMMIES

[Katsuki]

Well considering my current scummy is literally for best scum... >.>b

[Katsuki]

No his stances are scummy as fuck.

[Katsuki]

Fate Mafia and Psychic Mafia should be required reading for all new players.

We town-swept Fate Mafia in 3hrs RL time total, including catching scum in pre-game pg1. Then Psychic Mafia, which actually won BEST TOWN, lasted 1.5days RL.

The fact Fate Mafia didn't win a scummy was a travesty, but quick-lynching when you have caught scum is pro-town.

[Katsuki]

Ircher isn't scummy. He is, however, extremely unhelpful to town. I can't get a read through the obfuscating wishywashiness. I would have no objections to an Ircher wagon.

VOTE: Ircher

This is the shit you're calling town, camncamn.

Though I am tempted...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

UNVOTE, VOTE: IRCHER

Granted I do think Ircher has a higher chance of flipping town but we'll see. I expect Thurham and Kill on a plate tomorrow, camn.

[Katsuki]

p.s. In case it's not obvious to you camn, thur is assuredly scum if Ircher is town. There is no way you can possibly think they're both town.

[Katsuki]

Yeah rip I have no fucking idea what that hammer was for.

If Ircher doesn't flip scum I'm replacing out. I was definitely the most notable on that wagon, but the hammer was unnecessary as fuck.

Look at this posturing.

Also goes to show that he voted for a player he didn't even think was scum.

So like I said, Thur + KTS scum.

[Katsuki]

I must have read Ircher completely wrong. Fuck.

Yo my dude Ircher. My bad lol. That wagon formed way too quickly. I should have unvoted before I neighbourhood VI quickhammered you. Sorry for pushing you so hard.

When Ircher flips town and I replace out, lynch Kat. I honestly don't give a shit what alignment they are. This really pissed me off. The only way I could see them as playing seriously is if they're scum.

Posts like these are utterly ridiculous. Why were you voting Ircher in the first place then? Your #168 completely read to me as a counterwagon to your buddy Thur.

[Katsuki]

So, you lolhammer me DESPITE think I have a higher chance of flipping town?! This is attrocious and scummy as can be. Even worse than Thurs earlier comment.

You were on my purge list. Though the greater value in flipping your slot is to support my case of Thur and KTS being scum, but in the event that you flip scum, I'd be very happy.

In essence, flipping your slot is a net positive for town regardless of what alignment you flip. ^^

[Katsuki]

I should clarify that I see a high enough probability of you flipping scum in addition to the other reasons as outlined above to justify my hammer.

p-edit: IN REFERENCE TO MY#293

[Katsuki]

And now Kat is acting like they won something.

Lynch them tommorow. If she flips scum, kudos to them. If she flips town, remind me never to play with them again.

You're posting as if you have knowledge of the Ircher slot not being Mafia you do realize that right~? ^^

[Katsuki]

I still don't think kts is scum

Why? kts is posturing hard right now and creating a scene over the fact that A PLAYER AND WAGON HE WAS VOTING ON HAS REACHED A LYNCH.

What part of that reads not scum to you? I must be going insane because this is some serious MOONLOGIC meta going on on MS.net.

[Katsuki]

Yeah rip I have no fucking idea what that hammer was for.

If Ircher doesn't flip scum I'm replacing out. I was definitely the most notable on that wagon, but the hammer was unnecessary as fuck.

I think I actually do have a real townread of you this time.

- Voted me because I was basically actively lurking
- Presented clear reasons why you thought I was scum
- Primary advocate of wagon, but also notes that the hammer was poor. This is someone looking at the whole picture.
- Presented reasons are reasonable and fair even if the resulting conclusions are wrong.

Funny, if I were reading those exact reasons in a vacumn, I'd say that it is a case for someone being scum, not town.

Assuming that your 4th point is valid (I disagree), "presenting reasons that are reasonable and fair" is hardly a town-tell.

[Katsuki]

So, you lolhammer me DESPITE think I have a higher chance of flipping town?! This is attrocious and scummy as can be. Even worse than Thurs earlier comment.

You were on my purge list. Though the greater value in flipping your slot is to support my case of Thur and KTS being scum, but in the event that you flip scum, I'd be very happy.

In essence, flipping your slot is a net positive for town regardless of what alignment you flip. ^^

@All

Please PL this idiot tommorrow. And pls forgive KTS as his reactions right now seem genuine. Don't give a single thought to what Katsu is saying; he's just scum trying to get a mislynch on a townie who was wrong.

Its fine to be wrong, provided you are willing to admit you were wrong later. Yet, Katsu reads it as scum backtracking?! Nope, don't see it.

LOLFUCKINGLOL

YOU'RE FUCKING DUMB AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I QUICKHAMMERED YOU

YOURE A DETRIMENT TO TOWN REGARDLESS OF YOUR ALIGNMENT

AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU WERE ON MY KILL LIST?

[Katsuki]

Yeah rip I have no fucking idea what that hammer was for.

If Ircher doesn't flip scum I'm replacing out. I was definitely the most notable on that wagon, but the hammer was unnecessary as fuck.

Look at this posturing.

Also goes to show that he voted for a player he didn't even think was scum.

So like I said, Thur + KTS scum.

Oh fuck off you quickhammering idiot.

I must have read Ircher completely wrong. Fuck.

Yo my dude Ircher. My bad lol. That wagon formed way too quickly. I should have unvoted before I neighbourhood VI quickhammered you. Sorry for pushing you so hard.

When Ircher flips town and I replace out, lynch Kat. I honestly don't give a shit what alignment they are. This really pissed me off. The only way I could see them as playing seriously is if they're scum.

Posts like these are utterly ridiculous. Why were you voting Ircher in the first place then? Your #168 completely read to me as a counterwagon to your buddy Thur.

BECAUSE HE WASN'T DOING SHIT. SCUM IS EASILY ALWAYS LURKING. HOWEVER, IF HE HAD MADE ALL THESE POSTS BEFORE YOU QUICKHAMMERED HIM I'D HAVE READ HIM AS TOWN.

Exactly why I see KTS as town. He wasn't scum trying to mislynch town. He was town who thought I was lurking to avoid pressure.

God you're bad.

You're the one dead here so as said I did everyone a favor. ^^

[Katsuki]

We're lynching Katsuki tommorow. I take back my replacement thing. I want to see them lynched. We can surely scumhunt for other scum, but we're lynching Kat.

You were never going to replace out in the first place. Posture harder.

[Katsuki]

I still don't think kts is scum

Why? kts is posturing hard right now and creating a scene over the fact that A PLAYER AND WAGON HE WAS VOTING ON HAS REACHED A LYNCH.

What part of that reads not scum to you? I must be going insane because this is some serious MOONLOGIC meta going on on MS.net.

I would like to believe that looking to replace out after a day 1 mislynch isn't

posturing

. I think it's reasonable to think that kts didn't expect that wagon to reach lynch so quickly and is now scapegoating you for his vote to protect his own ego from himself.

There was a 0% chance of him actually following through with the replace out... you should know better DRK...

[Katsuki]

You're not replacing out because you are not town.

[Katsuki]

LOLOL

VOTE: THUR

[Katsuki]

I'm drunk whereeeeee

Any ways you'll re boring and need tol lynch

Btw Cambridge see your pm I faded you a msg for our game

[Katsuki]

hungover as fuck and regrets were made last night WHOOPS

BUT HEY MY MOST RECENT GAME JUST FINISHED AND MY SCUMREADS WERE SPOT ON AND PUT SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE SCUMZ THAT THEY HAD TO NK ME N1 AFTER I POWERLYNCHED A SCUM WHO SCUMCLAIMED 5 PAGES IN D1

MAYBE THIS KATSUKI PERSON ACTUALLY DOES KNOW HOW TO PLAY MAFIA

[Katsuki]

IF YOU DIDNT GET US KILLED FOR BEING TOO TOWN IT WOULD'VE BEEN 2 STRAIGHT SCUM POWERLYNCHES

[Katsuki]

that said it appears I was drunk posting last night and I'm just glad it didn't reach this thread : )

[Katsuki]

I think it's clear as day who I think is scum.

btw camn I'll be heartbroken if you're scum this game I'll have you know that now~

[Katsuki]

Heh... can you find a game for us to hydra yet it's so boring playing naked

[Katsuki]

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[Katsuki]

.

[Katsuki]

page bump...

[Katsuki]

[Katsuki]

bitch pls you dont even bump for your own pagetop

[Katsuki]

[Katsuki]

I should hammer just to be safe...

[Katsuki]

Maybe when you actually reach L1.

[Katsuki]

Hey all just wanted to say I'm the SK.

[Katsuki]

So wait, nobody's going to lynch Katsuki for saying that they were the SK?

Nobody?

I mean, even if it is a joke, it's not presented in any context. That along with the lolhammer is something I think deserves a lynch, 100%. It's not town play.

Is it that scummy though?

Kats, we're you being serious?

Totally.

But as Aristophanes stated, is that scummy though?

[Katsuki]

One of the first things I learned when I joined this forum is "Never lie as town."

Town have more reasons to lie than scum.

So either Katuski is telling the truth and is scum; or he's lying and is scummy.

But does being scummy make me scum?

[Katsuki]

What makes you think I'm good?

[Katsuki]

SHIT I FELL ASLEEP TOO EARLY

HAPPY APRIL FOOLS

[Katsuki]

What makes you think I'm good?

IM SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU OVER ALL MY BEST TOWN AND SCUM PERFORMANCE SCUMMIES

>.>
<.<
>.>b

[Katsuki]

<3

[Katsuki]

Pretty sure there are maf voting for me tho

I'd be fine purging everyone on my wagon tbh

[Katsuki]

.

[Katsuki]

Kats- will you put Snowman at L-1 please? Everyone is afraid you will lolhammer again.

I haven't been following. Now that my other game's over, why are we voting snarky?

[Katsuki]

Given how Thur jumped on that wagon I'm wont to predict it'll end in a mislynch.

[Katsuki]

Why are you so adamant against lynching Thur??

[Katsuki]

ISO'd Snarky, ya not interested in hammering.

I'm also not seeing what everyone is seeing about Aris being scummy. :/

Still willing to further camn's wincon.

Lets lynch Thur though.

[Katsuki]

No response/claim from Snarky despite being active elsewhere on the site.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I had taken a look at this and it doesn't appear to be the case to me.

I would've hammered had ELLITELL applied.

[Katsuki]

CAN WE JUST LYNCH THUR YTE?????

[Katsuki]

Hey mod just saying when you have to bump 6 times for pagetop it becomes incredibly tacky.

Btw did I mention that I'm the SK?

VOTE: THUR

[Katsuki]

I just realized that I hadn't read a single duppin post all game and looking back at his ISO he played a pretty legit SK game... would've read him as town.

[Katsuki]

OOO A POINTS LIST!

Come on though that's a weak points list. Please see here for a legit (lolzy) scoring system.

p.s. I hope I didn't just create a 2nd vollkan.

[Katsuki]

Camn you got your snarky mislynch. It's time for you to give me Thur.

Any resistance will be taken as a scumclaim.

[Katsuki]

NO TOMORROW
TODAYS THE DAY

WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH THUR IN A LYLO SITUATION
CAMN YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THIS

[Katsuki]

NO

CAMN IS HAMMERING
THIS WILL BE HER MOMENT TO PROVE HER TOWNINESS

WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW MY DEAR?

[Katsuki]

LOLNOPE

WHILE WE WAIT FOR CAMN
WHO DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK IS SCUM ARISTOPHANES?

P-EDIT: DISCUSSION IS FOR LOSERS

[Katsuki]

Let me teach you about one of the only games I've ever lost in LYLO as scum. I bussed both my buddies to get there. Do you know how I lost it?

I got quicklynched before I even got the chance to post and convince them of anything. It took them about 3 posts to lynch me, and it won them the game.

Now, I can talk about so many instances where town lost because they always wanted "more discussion" and instead threw the entire game into chaos.

[Katsuki]

1. We're not in Lylo. Discussion is an asset.
2. Just because it fails sometimes does not mean it is bad.
3. PoE says scum is in yourself, Guy, Zulfy, and Camn.
The latter I think is a townie as well.

So we are not lynching Thur today.
Thanks.

That is terrible. How is Thur town based on PoE?

It doesn't fail sometimes, it fails most of the time, one of the biggest problems in the past 2 years of MS site meta. Inaction is a cancer.

[Katsuki]

HEY ARIS YOUVE BEEN SAYING YOU WANT DISCUSSION

YET YOU DONT EVEN WANT TO STATE WHO YOU ACTUALLY THINK IS SCUM NOR EXPLAIN THEM

AND NO, TAKING OVER 50% OF THE PLAYERBASE AND STATING "SCUMZ LIE HERE" DOES NOT CONSTITUTE DISCUSSION

[Katsuki]

Precisely. He's gone completely 180 on Thur and said scum lie outside of Kats/Thur.

[Katsuki]

*and now states that scum lie outside kats/thur

[Katsuki]

Well this is awkward.

We probably should massclaim.

[Katsuki]

Really? Who do you think it is?

It's incredibly unobv to me.

[Katsuki]

Interesting.

p-edit: well well...

[Katsuki]

I was planning on voting aristo then writing a long post with THINGS but I'm ok with this.

VOTE: ARISTO

[Katsuki]

Heh, I knew you were scum but I couldn't figure out who the other scum was.

That long post I was talking about was an apology for not voting for camn LOL

789 was a scum post.

Probably should have just lynched you first and hope that scum NK me but I highly doubted that was ever happening given my reads this game. I've been gut-reading you as scum all game, every post of yours dripped with bloodlust this game.

[Katsuki]

I'm mildly annoyed; I tried to get too fancy.

There were too many noises to clear up D1 and there was no way I was voting you D1 over those, but my goal this game was to find your scum buddy first because it would have been a giant embarrassment if I were wrong about you and you flipped town. I had Zulfy and Iron as solid town going into N3, and in honesty was leaning towards Aristo/camn scumteam.

I have no shame losing to camn and would rather lose to her than anyone else so there's that too. Probably best to stick to my gut, I'm glad that this game is proof that I can read you camn. ^^

[Katsuki]

I think that town was ridiculously hasty and tunnely pretty much every day of this game with a silly overconfidence that was not supported by their success up to that point.
If Aristophanes had been able to claim, I believe that town would likely have won this.
Well played to everyone in spite of this!

I can say I would not have believed an Aristo counter-claim over GF at that point, especially since GF's ISO showed that he was not fake-claiming tracker. It then came down to who I thought was scummier between the two, and I went with Aristo.

First thing that popped into my mind was GF being scum fakeclaiming tracker. But then again, there was a 0% chance of this setup containing both a town tracker and town gunsmith so it would've came down to play once again.

So ya, there was no discussion that would've changed my mind, other than me ignoring GF/Aristo and voting camn straight up. Actually, now that I type this, I probably SHOULD'VE let the mass-claim finish, since this is the conclusion I would have arrived at since then it would be incredibly unlikely that Aristo/GF were BOTH scum, and I could finally justify voting camncamn as the 1st scum.

Alas...

[Katsuki]

Ha ha.

Well, I only let you live cuz you're the best.

There was no way you would hammer Thur like that as town.

I let shiny things distract me...

[Katsuki]

If you let the mass claim happen Aristo would have pointed out the existence of a Deputy, which is essentially a miller for Gunsmiths.

The deputy is entirely a red herring and would not have factored into my decision making. There was a 0% probability of a cop AND deputy existing in this setup.

[Katsuki]

I am happy with the way I played. My mistake was pushing thurhame instead of Camn. I defied The Scoreboard and paid a great price

Ya you were very town. My mistake was pushing everyone else first before camn!

[Katsuki]

I did it for you!

I know, that's what sealed my scumread on you going into the night. = =

[Katsuki]

Well. Next time you will just have to die.

PS.. This is 4 in a row I pulled scum.
I haven't drawn a town role since I came out of retirement.

Please don't! That's why I only made vague mentions about hoping that you wern't scum!

Also we were town in Shaman at least!

[Katsuki]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF ONLY YOU GUYS NK'ED ARISTO!!!!!!

[Katsuki]

Oh that's true.

And most unfortunate, Zulfy would've been much more valuable alive than dead.

[Katsuki]

Oh ya zulfy don't do that next time, save it for the game thread. It's not worth confronting scum! (see how I handed camn all those mislynches on a platter? She couldn't resist gobbling them all up!)

Your D1 was hilarious and I was somewhat not surprised to see all those ppl flip town camn.

[Katsuki]

I TRIED TO STOP THAT SNARKY WAGON!

But hm ya I dunno how I would've reacted to Aristo claiming a guilty on camn. Depends on whether GF would've NK'ed aristo after that or not...

ALALALALALA

[Katsuki]

I was literally wrong about everyone but camn ahaha

How unfortunate.

[Katsuki]

No not really. I stand by my hammer D1 100%. Too many players needing death that were distracting from actual scum-hunting early on.

I should have never given camn a wagon at L1, especially when I knew her to be confirmed scum. That was a horrendous misplay. My view was that GF was not fake-claiming tracker, which for some reason was my main concern at the time. I also knew that the Deputy flip was a red-herring, since there was no way there could be a cop in this setup. From my point of view, I knew there were 3 neighbours, a miller, a JK, and a SK. I did not care about camn's role, and GF's role as town made a lot of sense in this setup.

I should have given Aristo the chance to claim regardless how badly I thought that slot was scum as well along with camn.

I suppose the lesson here is that there is more satisfaction in catching and lynching a friend as scum, than the possible shame of mislynching them and losing to others who you would rather not lose to.

[Katsuki]

You should have outright claimed the inno on Thur. You should NEVER withhold innocent results if they are in danger of being lynched, there's more to investigative roles than just catching scum.

But yes, the game may have ended differently if I didn't make the mistake of voting you that quickly instead of sitting on it.

[Katsuki]

I appreciate the advice, but I do disagree.
Had I claimed, I'd have been killed.
I held off for a day to get us in a pretty much guaranteed win spot.

You must take the environment into consideration

We could've had 7 alive with 3 confirmed. Remaining lynchpool would have been {Zulfy, Kats, camn, GF}, of which zulfy was town. For me it would've confirmed camn and GF as scum but for you guys it still would have put town in a position that was impossible to lose as we had an extra lynch remaining.

ALWAYS CLAIM if an innocent of yours is close to getting lynched. It is the most pro-town thing to claim earlier than later as it saves town from wasting time. There was no point in withholding information, the way you danced around made you seem incredibly scummy.

[Katsuki]

**** And Deciding to lolhammer me.

You do realize I still resemt you for that Katsuki. That was purely antitown; no questions asked.

It was not a lolhammer. I did not want to have to deal with trying to figure your slot out deep into the game.

[Katsuki]

When there is a player who I feel is likely to be scum and detrimental to town at best, I will hammer every time unless they are a PR.

[Katsuki]

But I didn't hammer you. >.>b

I've said enough with regards to my vote on you