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Did anyone else read RC's 62 as him faking a town-slip?

lol what the fuck no

@APF: Absolutly. Also, RC is obv scum for reasons too secret for me to publicly explain.

how the fuck can someone be obviously scum in a way too secret to be explained.

WHAT IS GOING ON????????????? HELLO,,

my name is KAIN TEPES,, I like to play TOWN OF SALEM,, i hope we can all KNOW EACH OTHER VERY WELL............!!!

VOTE: RADIANT COWBALLS

I have to know how town of salem could've possibly influenced this kind of posting

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I mean it basically just means we get a longer D1 tbh

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?

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but I'm not LLD lol

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Can we stop playing this game of who knows RC the best?

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Can we stop playing this game of who knows RC the best?

who is playing that game?

RC seems sensitive but I'm not sure what this indicates, while it's definitely not useful to town. I can't really see anything useful to the town in his responses to Maverick.

you don't know RC at all

That's true but is there something I said in particular?

he s sensitive , weird and emotional. but thats definitely useful to town if he is one.

thats a meta ofc

he s sensitive , weird and emotional. but thats definitely useful to town if he is one.

thats a meta ofc

RC isn't sensitive. An asshole maybe but not sensitive.

RC isn't sensitive. An asshole maybe but not sensitive.

You don't know him at all

That's not about the game alone. I'm talking about his personality which you have absolutely no idea about.

What does it matter? The game hasn't started yet so what else is there to do?

How progressive rock is objectively the best form of music?

pedit: vote owes me 50 quid

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A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace
And achieve it all with music that came quickly from afar
And taste the fruit of man recorded losing all against the hour
And assessing points to nowhere, leading every single one
A dewdrop can exalt us like the music of the sun
And take away the plain in which we move
And choose the course you're running

Down at the end, round by the corner
Not right away, not right away
Close to the edge, down by a river
Not right away, not right away

Crossed the line around the changes of the summer
Reaching out to call the color of the sky
Passed around a moment clothed in mornings faster than we see
Getting over all the time I had to worry
Leaving all the changes far from far behind
We relieve the tension only to find out the master's name

Down at the end, round by the corner
Close to the edge, just by a river
Seasons will pass you by
I get up, I get down
Now that it's all over and done
Now that you find, now that you're whole

[II Total Mass Retain]

My eyes convinced, eclipsed with the younger moon attained with love
It changed as almost strained amidst clear manna from above
I crucified my hate and held the word within my hand
There's you, the time, the logic, or the reasons we don't understand

Sad courage claimed the victims standing still for all to see
As armoured movers took approached to overlook the sea
There since the cord, the license, or the reasons we understood will be

Down at the edge, close by a river
Close to the edge, round by the corner
Close to the end, down by the corner
Down at the edge, round by the river

Sudden cause shouldn't take away the startled memory
All in all, the journey takes you all the way
As apart from any reality that you've ever seen and known
Guessing problems only to deceive the mention
Passing paths that climb halfway into the void
As we cross from side to side, we hear the total mass retain

Down at the edge, round by the corner
Close to the end, down by a river
Seasons will pass you by
I get up, I get down

[III I Get Up, I Get Down]

In her white lace, you could clearly see the lady sadly looking
Saying that she'd take the blame
For the crucifixion of her own domain

I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down

Two million people barely satisfy
Two hundred women watch one woman cry, too late
The eyes of honesty can achieve
(She would gladly say it amazement of her story)
How many millions do we deceive each day?
(Asking only interest could be layed upon the children of her domain)

I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down

In charge of who is there in charge of me
(She could clearly see the lady sadly looking)
Do I look on blindly and say I see the way?
(Saying that she'd take the blame
For the crucifixion of her own domain)
The truth is written all along the page
(She would gladly say it amazement of her story)
How old will I be before I come of age for you?
(Asking only interest could be layed upon the children of her domain)

I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down

I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down

[IV Seasons Of Man]

The time between the notes relates the color to the scenes
A constant vogue of triumphs dislocate man, so it seems
And space between the focus shape ascend knowledge of love
As song and chance develop time, lost social temp'rance rules above
Ah, ah

Then according to the man who showed his outstretched arm to space
He turned around and pointed, revealing all the human race
I shook my head and smiled a whisper, knowing all about the place
On the hill we viewed the silence of the valley
Called to witness cycles only of the past
And we reach all this with movements in between the said remark

Close to the edge, down by the river
Down at the end, round by the corner
Seasons will pass you by
Now that it's all over and done
Called to the seed, right to the sun
Now that you find, now that you're whole
Seasons will pass you by

I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down
I get up, I get down

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You really should stop that.

why? Its 1 post in 25 posts of each page.

It's annoying

it's not FA tho. It's

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vote RC

Cause if he's scum he's gonna fool everyone and probably win by getting a cop/gunsmith clear lynched. If he's town well RC is never town.

lmao

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cause there's only been one post since the game started.

VOTE: mhsmith

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I'd love to see your explanation on why not posting walls at day start is scum indicative.

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I'd love to see your explanation on why not posting walls at day start is scum indicative.

Odd way of reading my post. There's a happy medium between naked voting as a response to a prompt to make content, and posting a large wall.

I wasn't talking about me

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I'd love to see your explanation on why not posting walls at day start is scum indicative.

Odd way of reading my post. There's a happy medium between naked voting as a response to a prompt to make content, and posting a large wall.

I wasn't talking about me

Ah, sorry. I read your post as a response to my scum lean on you. Out of curiosity, who were you talking to?

Didn't know that was an ordered readlist, but w/e, it was to you, just not on the topic of me. I was talking about jake, who did the exact thing he said he was going to do once the game started.

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Posts with no content. You effectively put the spot light on yourself by refusing to participate in pre-game, giving us the idea that you'd act differently once the game started. But, no you still post nothing relevant to the game. Did you not read through the past 15 pages b/c they were pre-game?

So, how does this work? You start analyzing posts only after the game starts?

I know this is to jake, and I'm not answering for him, but this is probably what I'm going to be doing.

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Didn't know that was an ordered readlist, but w/e, it was to you, just not on the topic of me. I was talking about jake, who did the exact thing he said he was going to do once the game started.

There's a bit of a disconnect here. I wasn't asking for a wall, I was asking for content and commenting on the disturbingly high number of posts without content. Content doens't need to be a wall, it can be short, it can be as simple as a relevant question.

I was exaggerating when I said wall. I just found it odd that you would vote someone because they didn't leap out of the gate with scumhunting, when they clearly previously stated that they didn't find the pre-game to have proper reactions. It just seems like gunning for easy pickings to me.

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lowell gives townreads like oprah gives cars

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@smith even tho I said I wouldn't really be reading the previous pages seriously, the stupid "muh sarcasm" shit way back when in the early pages still pinged me a bit so the initial vote was for that

I also think you're gunning for low-hanging fruit with jake, which is why I haven't moved it.

lowell gives townreads like oprah gives cars

Damn you and your sick burn. Goddam your beautiful mind.

@Mav: was that at me or Nos? I think me, so I'll answer: I think Jake's behavior is plausibly scummy, but it's as much a vote whip as anything else. I'm certainly not going to be driving his lynch aggressively at this stage. 30+ posts is a lot of posts without content, but if he starts doing better I'll unvote.

what's the proposed scum agenda behind jake's actions?

based on your readlist you had a better case on me than jake

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believe me, it's better kain doesn't post.

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@Nos: Not sure why you thought the sarcasm was stupid, but since almost no one saw as sarcasm at the time it you're at least not alone.

no, I didn't get the sarcasm, it's that you made a shitty post and then said "oh it was asrcasm gaiz I tohught dat was obvios"

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the tone of your post is completely static and there's no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm. This is why we have and Kappa and :^) and other such emoticons to denote sarcasm properly.

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I think the point of active lurking is to coast without drawing attention to yourself. Jake is doing plenty of that.

Well you could say that if he were actually active lurking. He specifically stated he wasn't going to be considering the pre-game, and followed through. An active lurker wouldn't do that imo.

pedit: so apparently smith is interpreting this post as saying jake is drawing attention to himself, and since we have differing interpretations, it's only right to get on my knees and grovel for mav to pick the correct interpretation

the tone of your post is completely static and there's no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm. This is why we have and Kappa and :^) and other such emoticons to denote sarcasm properly.

So "RC is obv scum for reasons too secret for me to publicly explain" reads as not just serious but "no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm" to you? Due to tone alone? Ignoring the obvious BS nature of it? Really?

just because it's stupid doesn't make it sarcastic. I don't know you. You could actually be that dumb.

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I think the point of active lurking is to coast without drawing attention to yourself. Jake is doing plenty of that.

Well you could say that if he were actually active lurking. He specifically stated he wasn't going to be considering the pre-game, and followed through. An active lurker wouldn't do that imo.

pedit: so apparently smith is interpreting this post as saying jake is drawing attention to himself, and

since we have differing interpretations, it's only right to get on my knees and grovel for mav to pick the correct interpretation

Please clarify the bolded part. When have I said anything along those lines? Are you implying that I am demanding that he fall in line with my interpretation? Are you trying to make some other point?

no, I was of the mind what when mav said "I think the point of active lurking is to coast without drawing attention to yourself. Jake is doing plenty of that."
I interpreted that when he said "Jake is doing plenty of

that

." he was saying jake was active lurking.

Since you unvoted, I'm assuming you interpreted mav as saying jake was drawing attention to himself, thereby making him not active lurking.

the tone of your post is completely static and there's no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm. This is why we have and Kappa and :^) and other such emoticons to denote sarcasm properly.

So "RC is obv scum for reasons too secret for me to publicly explain" reads as not just serious but "no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm" to you? Due to tone alone? Ignoring the obvious BS nature of it? Really?

just because it's stupid doesn't make it sarcastic. I don't know you. You could actually be that dumb.

That's quite a bit different than "there's no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm". So your interpretation is... what? That I'm an idiot and made an incredibly stupid and non-sensical post, and just randomly back-pedalled into the sarcasm excuse? Or that I intentionally said something dumb, as part of some strange scum plan? I'm struggling to see how this all fits together in your mind, especially given your aggressive statement that sarcasm simply wasn't a reasonable explanation. I'd really like some more insight from you as to what you're thinking here.

I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Let's just get this out of the way, I'm not thinking you're scum here because of this post. I realize now that you thought it was sarcasm. I said that the initial reason was because I remember how you explained this post as sarcasm, and that it didn't make sense to me. I'm not voting you know because of that. If it was just that, I would've unvoted much before.

To make this as clear as possible, when I went to put down a vote once the game started, I remembered that you pinged me before with the sarcasm, but I know now that you genuinely believe you were being obviously sarcastic.

I can see how this doesn't make sense to you.

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I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Let's just get this out of the way, I'm not thinking you're scum here because of this post. I realize now that you thought it was sarcasm. I said that the initial reason was because I remember how you explained this post as sarcasm, and that it didn't make sense to me. I'm not voting you know because of that. If it was just that, I would've unvoted much before.

So the other reasons are ___?
And how many of them applied at the time of your vote?

no, I was of the mind what when mav said "I think the point of active lurking is to coast without drawing attention to yourself. Jake is doing plenty of that."
I interpreted that when he said "Jake is doing plenty of that." he was saying jake was active lurking.

Since you unvoted, I'm assuming you interpreted mav as saying jake was drawing attention to himself, thereby making him not active lurking.

1) What did that have to do with the whole "get on my knees and grovel" bit?
2) My unvote was because I decided that it was at least a reasonable interpretation, and because I decided that my vote was weak and didn't deserve to just sit there. Basically as I described in 390. I'd also note that just because Jake DID draw some attention to himself doesn't mean that he INTENDED to do so. But it's a pretty mediocre case right now, and I shouldn't have voted it, even as a vote whip.

1. like I said at the time of the vote, nothing really you were an afterthought that I remembered.
2. I was just asking for mav to pick a proper explanation.

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I also think you're gunning for low-hanging fruit with jake, which is why I haven't moved it.

you've backed down on jake now tho so I'll probably move it to the next person that pings me

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I also think you're gunning for low-hanging fruit with jake, which is why I haven't moved it.

you've backed down on jake now tho so I'll probably move it to the next person that pings me

So basically you're vote parking on me until someone else pings your radar? I don't really approve of that behavior.

PS In your mind, how fair would it be for me to think that you were "gunning for low-hanging fruit" with me and the sarcasm bit with your original vote?

no. if I were gunning for low hanging fruit I would've gone for roshar.

I'm not voting you know because of that. If it was just that, I would've unvoted much before.

One other thing: this post came 24 minutes after I unvoted, and you're now saying that my unvote more or less removed your vote motivation (that's how I read 398 anyway). When you made the statement I just quoted above, did you realize that I had unvoted? Is this a case where you'd missed what I did above and were still thinking my vote was on Jake, or was there in fact something else driving your motivation to stay on me?

I knew you unvoted.

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that's why it's gunning after low hanging fruit. I would just have to bullshit a brand new reason why you were scum that no one had mentioned yet.

and I'm not trying hard to keep up a case on smith. I haven't even given a case on smith.

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I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Let's just get this out of the way, I'm not thinking you're scum here because of this post. I realize now that you thought it was sarcasm. I said that the initial reason was because I remember how you explained this post as sarcasm, and that it didn't make sense to me. I'm not voting you know because of that. If it was just that, I would've unvoted much before.

To make this as clear as possible, when I went to put down a vote once the game started, I remembered that you pinged me before with the sarcasm, but I know now that you genuinely believe you were being obviously sarcastic.

and backing up after seeing no one is following you. if you weren't scum reading that why you kept hard pressuring him for that?

and why your not commenting /pushing anything else?

and your basically empty vote on mhsmith don't count

I didn't keep pressuring him about it. I'm answering his questions to me on it.

I didn't push anything else during the interaction because there were only two of us talking, and I had left the thread for the night after that

where do you see me pushing it now?

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122 is the only post where I pressure it even slightly. u reading fam?

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That post is your pressure post . he asks you answer and continue talking about it when you later state your not scumreading him becuase of it . if its not worth to discuss why Its basically your whole ISO ?

do you have anything else to discuss? maybe a read?

1. I don't continue talking about it. He asked me about my thought process when I voted him. I answered.

2. I'd be lying if I told you I had any other reads to discuss. It's also why I stopped talking.

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that's why it's gunning after low hanging fruit.

I would just have to bullshit a brand new reason why you were scum that no one had mentioned yet.

and I'm not trying hard to keep up a case on smith. I haven't even given a case on smith.

The bolded pings me bad...I'm going to do an ISO dive on Nos, but right now she's probably my strongest scum read.

nice to know that an example of what I would do as scum in this game would ping you.

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and not alone in RC. ask nos who I found her as a mage before.

you found me as mage cause

I

fucked up lol

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there is an indication I am looking for scum. I placed a vote on somebody I think is scum and said my vote was serious. See how that works?

I understood your vote on RC as a policy lynch situation

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Why is there a discussion about scum motivation for ignoring the thread? Any reason for changing votes quickly, claiming ignorance or contradiction is in scum's best interest. That's why there's so much overlap between scum and lazy-town play. Jake's play has a second level, where he's asserting that he's doing something anti-town in thread. He's being honest about his anti-town play so he seems town.

5. Who said I'm looking for allegiances? Idk even what that means. I'm looking for scum and I'm perfectly able to do that without reading pregame.

yeah I guess since you don't know me you don't really know any better but that's exactly how I play. It is a one player game where I am like screw you all I do my own thing. I don't look for town, I only look for scum.

I don't see how these two posts are him being deliberately anti-town, explain pls?

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

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Why is there a discussion about scum motivation for ignoring the thread? Any reason for changing votes quickly, claiming ignorance or contradiction is in scum's best interest. That's why there's so much overlap between scum and lazy-town play. Jake's play has a second level, where he's asserting that he's doing something anti-town in thread. He's being honest about his anti-town play so he seems town.

5. Who said I'm looking for allegiances? Idk even what that means. I'm looking for scum and I'm perfectly able to do that without reading pregame.

yeah I guess since you don't know me you don't really know any better but that's exactly how I play. It is a one player game where I am like screw you all I do my own thing. I don't look for town, I only look for scum.

I don't see how these two posts are him being deliberately anti-town, explain pls?

whoops

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am I wrong?

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Yeah, same post gave me bad vibes as well. The thought process of, "if I wanted to pick the easiest wagon, I'd have gone for x" but look, "I went for y instead" as if that exonerated you, comes from scum. And the I'd BS a reason against roshar part.

way to misread the context. I said if I were going for low-hanging fruit, I'd go for the person the most people are suspecting. That happens to be you. This is all assuming I'm scum and you're not, so ofc I'd have to BS a reason you were scum. How the fuck else would I have a reason in the first place?

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am I wrong?

you are all wrong.

Once the game started my vote was going to be on RC no matter what happened because that was who I was going to use my "rvs" vote on, although it wasn't going to be for a random reason but for a very specific reason.

My vote is staying on him however because the posts that i did happen to read of his make me think he is scum.

It was how I planned to start the game as soon as I saw RC was playing but everything in

that statement is true based on my experiences which makes my vote serious

. Some people may write it off as a grudge vote which would be a valid assumption as well, but imo he has

no useful skills that is worthy keeping around if he is town

and if he is scum you definitely want him gone ASAP. This is the guy who double bussed his mafia partners hard and convinced town to lynch a gunsmith clear (or maybe it was a cop) to win the game as scum. he is very manipulative and

impossible to read as either alignment

. He should absolutely be the lynch today and until I see posts from other people that make me think they may be a better lynch.

seems pretty policy to me?

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@Nos: do you ever exhibit this kind of behavior as town? Can you point to any specific examples of this? I'll meta-dive you if I have to, but I'd rather you just point me to it at this stage.

give me a specific behviour and I'll give you a game.

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@Nos: do you ever exhibit this kind of behavior as town? Can you point to any specific examples of this? I'll meta-dive you if I have to, but I'd rather you just point me to it at this stage.

give me a specific behviour and I'll give you a game.

As town, do you tend to open scum-hunting by looking at more popular targets already under suspicion? And do you tend to give the "well if I was scum I'd have done X instead of Y" type defense?

As town I open scum hunting by voting whoever the fuck I want. And yes, I do use the "if I were scum I'd have done x instead of y" at times, but not worded like that. Usually it's like "I have no angle on this as scum because I don't do x".

I'll link a game where I use this probably.

Even tho I didn't do it here

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Like if you're town you can do way better than this.

tfw burdened by proficiency

192 isn't my typical town game

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Growing scumlean on Jake. Normally I consider brashness to be a town tell, but I'm getting a bit of a panic-vibe.

you're taking reads pretty lightly this game it seems

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thats the point he was posting nothing and suddenly all he was posting was about something bs and according to him later on : not alignment indicative

who are you talking about here

Growing scumlean on Jake. Normally I consider brashness to be a town tell, but I'm getting a bit of a panic-vibe.

you're taking reads pretty lightly this game it seems

Nos if you're not going to play this game properly I'm going to vote you.
There's a few things you've said that make me think that you're town but I'm not going to defend you if you're not going to do crap.
What are your reads on myself, Shadow, FA? Who are your major scum/townreads outside of that group?

off the top of my head I can only name jake and possibly froot as town rn

to be absolutley honest I'm just assuming if you're not dead by D3 you're scum, and I fail to understand a majority of FA's posts.

Now that you're asking I'll read shaddow and give you my take on him, but I haven't been paying much attention to him at the moment.

Lowell is starting to bother me with his shiftiness and mav is kinda bothering me rn but not as much.

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I fail to understand a majority of FA's posts.

That's getting old news.

what do you fail to understand and why your not asking them?

how I'm making a mountain of a topic I didn't even comment on without being prompted on. I didn't even try to argue that the sarcasm thing was scummy but you're acting like I'm pushing smith hard about it and scumreading him solely based on it, when I clearly said I wasn't.

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Where's your Shadow read Nos?

I just read through his ISO. I like him, he's town.

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VOTE: Nosferato

you're done with jake so that includes the vote as well or you've got something new on me?

pedit: well that answers that

Where's your Shadow read Nos?

I just read through his ISO. I like him, he's town.

you were playing the game . you were posting stuff in here when he was posting. You basically ignored all the posts of him/against him and now out of nowhere you need to read his ISO and you like it ...

Well yeah, that's kinda what I just said. I basically ignored his posts, and now that I've read them, I think he's town. I ignore things I'm not interested in.

pedit2: I wasn't interested in him

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He didn't reign in my interest with his posts. Even though I like his posts now, it still fails to interest me, although I will say I believe they come from town. I read his posts as he was posting them, but I had no real opinion on anything in any of the posts, so there was no interest there.

I'm not liking the progression of mav's read on jake from town lean to def scum.

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you just repeated you have no interest in his posts becuase you have no interests in them and they didn't seem interesting.

and you like those posts so he is town

sorry but bah

there was nothing I wanted to say about his posts is what it breaks down to I guess.

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now what do you have to say about his posts that make you think he is town based on that?

60% his tone
40% making the effort to scumhunt

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I guess the reason for the vote was obvious for reasons that couldn't need to be mentioned

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You are more than capable of scumhunting and are not scumhunting.
So either you're scum or you're not making an effort and I'm fine lynching you either way.

w/e, what's your opinion of mav going from townlean to scum on jake in ~150 posts (6 pages) without interacting with him?

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^ Question isn't limited to RC

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@Mod: RC is voting me

Whoops, wrote your name instead of RC's! Fixed.
~Ircher

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I am making an effort, I just haven't hit my scumhunting groove

I hit it midway through D1 in NY192

I hit it at the start of D1 in LI1757

hit it like D5 in NY188

it'll come

and you'll know

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@smith you are reading wrong. And I've already mentioned who's pinging my radar right now.

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pisskop replaces FA. Effective immediately.

Please, no repeats.

dear god this was the worst possible replacement to get rid of toxicity

piss like actually isn't even that bad it's just people get so fucking annoyed with his attitude and it makes every 10x worse

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And I am

not

toxic, thank you.

Im assertively passive aggressive

you aren't that toxic. the way you talk to people makes them respond in a toxic way.

but that doesn't matter, why try to policy lynch jake? He'll probably get force-replaced anyway

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that suggestion is actually pretty suspect looking back, seeing as the first game I played with RC I was literally put to L-1 for not scumhunting on D1

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that suggestion is actually pretty suspect looking back, seeing as the first game I played with RC I was literally put to L-1 for not scumhunting on D1

Could you elaborate on this please?

I was almost lynched because I wasn't exactly the paradigm of scum hunting. It's just not my style to constantly be asking questions of everyone. I only analyze the posts of my scum reads when I have one, and I tonally read everyone else. I didn't get lynched because RC came in and said my lynch was bad, and we quicklynched some one else.

Even in NY192, I didn't ask questions a ton and walk the town through my thought process for everything and I didn't push my scum reads before making a case. I dropped a vote, explained it when I was prompted nearly 100 posts later with a case and we lynched him and he was scum.

I scumhunt, just not conventionally by talking to everyone, which is why it takes awhile for me to get in a groove of scumhunting because I'm not interacting so my reads come later than everyone else's, and I expect RC to know that playing with him multiple times.

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@ Nos:

I only analyze the posts of my scum reads when I have one, and I tonally read everyone else.

Which of these levels are you at with mhsmith? (or are you still leaning scum on him)

I'm ignoring him atm

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DL is in 5 days and not all replacements are caught up and involved. No reason to hammer atm.

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DL is in 5 days and not all replacements are caught up and involved. No reason to hammer atm.

btw Nos, what are your current thoughts? Any current scum reads? You say you're ignoring me, but you're still voting me, so I'd like some clarification on where you stand.

I'm not completely rid of my suspicion of you, but it's an afterthought at the moment and I'm not actually reading your posts in detail. Lowell is pretty suspect right now. I didn't like his vote on me. His recent hammer request isn't as significant but is still not very good.

RC is making me double take too but I don't really think anything good will come of trying to analyze his posts.

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Alright. I'd recommend against consciously ignoring people, but there's been enough debating of playstyles in this thread.

Do you have any thoughts on Clumsy or his wagon?

Evaluating the likelihood of Clumsy being VI vs scum.

I like the fact that Clumsy's got some votes, but the wagon itself seems kind of shoddy and irregular.

On the surface it seems good, but wagon composition gives meh vibez

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@Max: a person who cannot understand the game well enough for adequate play.

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@Nos

DL is in 5 days and not all replacements are caught up and involved. No reason to hammer atm.

btw Nos, what are your current thoughts? Any current scum reads? You say you're ignoring me, but you're still voting me, so I'd like some clarification on where you stand.

I'm not completely rid of my suspicion of you, but it's an afterthought at the moment and I'm not actually reading your posts in detail. Lowell is pretty suspect right now. I didn't like his vote on me. His recent hammer request isn't as significant but is still not very good.

RC is making me double take too but I don't really think anything good will come of trying to analyze his posts.

What remains of your suspicions on Mhs? Do you find him scummy enough for a vote? Or does your vote on him sit idle b/c you find nobody else scummy?

You say you're ignoring him, one would assume you're formulating town/scum reads in the meanwhile. Have you?

I didn't like how when we were talking he literally took every post and found some sort of implication that wasn't there and asked me about it.

I didn't even notice Lowell's vote on you. Why do you not like it? (apart from the fact that we all don't like votes on us)

Alright. I'd recommend against consciously ignoring people, but there's been enough debating of playstyles in this thread.

Do you have any thoughts on Clumsy or his wagon?

Evaluating the likelihood of Clumsy being VI vs scum.

I like the fact that Clumsy's got some votes, but the wagon itself seems kind of shoddy and irregular.

On the surface it seems good, but wagon composition gives meh vibez

Can you point to reasons why you think it's shoddy and irregular? Quotes, motives, etc.

It's super quick. It's odd that everyone suddenly came to the conclusion he was scummy. It's not that he made a scummy post and that was pointed out, it's that at around the same time, people just went "oh yeah Clumsy is pretty scummy, I should vote him".

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Titus or Nos-- kill clumsy please.

tbh I wanna see what happens at the end

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Titus or Nos-- kill clumsy please.

Why those two specifically?

Lowell when you get back this would be nice actually

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@Nos

, post 1034 do you think Lowell is scummy for doing so? If so, why isn't your vote on him?

Who do you think is scummy on the Clumsy wagon?

you mean mhsmith.

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I literally explained to you why I'm still voting mhsmith

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I think the point of active lurking is to coast without drawing attention to yourself. Jake is doing plenty of that.

Well you could say that if he were actually active lurking. He specifically stated he wasn't going to be considering the pre-game, and followed through. An active lurker wouldn't do that imo.

pedit: so apparently smith is interpreting this post as saying jake is drawing attention to himself, and

since we have differing interpretations, it's only right to get on my knees and grovel for mav to pick the correct interpretation

Please clarify the bolded part. When have I said anything along those lines?

Are you implying that I am demanding that he fall in line with my interpretation?

Are you trying to make some other point?

shit like this is suspect to me. Off the top of my head this post bother the fuck out of me, I don't know if he does this again later on, but the fact that he just takes every posts and derives some weird ass implication from it.

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@roshar

VOTE: nos

I like this idea. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice... something something... you DONT GET FOOLED AGAIN.

I'd also be up for a lurker hunt, if we have the time for it. Frankly I don't have a lot of bad vibes from anyone yet, so I'm clearly missing something. Either I'm wrong (impossible!) or one or more of the lurkers is scum.

^this is lowell somehow agreeing with some part of FA's case on me (mind you was pretty non-existent)

what part, the world may never know

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VOTE: roshar

This guy is barely holding it together and we've just started. Come do this with me and watch this poor rube flail. His ISO reeks of careful scum... already, somehow.

Also clumsy's ham-handed "omg how many scum are there guyz" is the worst fake-townslip I've seen in a while. which is saying something.

maverick is town.

rosh is fine now. done with him.

smith's 351 looks like a try-hard filler post after he got called out for lurking. what i can do in one charismatic and awesome sentence he takes a text-wall to do. except he still does nothing.

VOTE: smith

Jake is town, farmer is town. I'm back up to 'meh' on smith.

VOTE: nos

I like this idea. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice... something something... you DONT GET FOOLED AGAIN.

I'd also be up for a lurker hunt, if we have the time for it. Frankly I don't have a lot of bad vibes from anyone yet, so I'm clearly missing something. Either I'm wrong (impossible!) or one or more of the lurkers is scum.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: clumsy

Lowell has also been voting every major suspicion of the town

pedit: I'd just like for you to explain where you got from that comment to me saying that you were demanding everyone follow your explanation.

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I literally explained to you why I'm still voting mhsmith

You literally didn't. Unless you mean

I didn't like how when we were talking he literally took every post and found some sort of implication that wasn't there and asked me about it.

?

Because that reads more like why you voted me in the first place than it does why you are still voting me.

A while back you said

you've backed down on jake now tho so I'll probably move it to the next person that pings me

so the question isn't why did you vote me in the first place, it's why is your vote still there. It's odd that you're vote parking on someone you're not all that motivated to engage with or drive a wagon on.

I'm not sure it's necessarily AI; it might be some kind of odd play style thing, or it may be that you're just kind of demotivated from really doing much in this game right now. But it bugs me.

It's not that I'm demotivated; what I don't want to do is walk the entire playerlist through my thought process on everything. And I don't usually engage my scumreads.

pedit: I'm pretty sure I explained this, but it was humorous hyperbole. Probably should have put a Kappa in there

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@Nos: the tone of your post is completely static and there's no reason it could be interpreted as sarcasm

see, now you're getting it!

UNVOTE: mhsmith

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VOTE: Lowell

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It's not that I'm demotivated; what I don't want to do is walk the entire playerlist through my thought process on everything. And I don't usually engage my scumreads.

1) This assumes you have an active thought process on what's going on. Very little of your posts have reflected active interest and thought.

2) This playstyle does not promote discussion and is not pro-town. How do you expect anyone to town read you if they can't actually follow what you're thinking. This is ideal scum play tbh.

As scum, you wouldn't want to engage your 'scumreads'

1) Well that's your subjective evaulation of my posts and there's nothing I could possibly argue against that.

2) Well we're discussing me and my opinions right now, and have been nearly this entire game so that's just contradictory, and town shouldn't aim to be town read, it should be to find scum and let people know when you think you've got one, which is the quintessence of my playstyle. I'm not advocating this playstyle, but it's what works for me.

I may not promote discussion conventionally by asking the meaning of every post my suspects ever make or talking about everything and anything for everyone's opinions, but I do promote discussion when I make cases. So to say I don't promote discussion or that I'm anti-town is just abject ignorance and lack of experience with my playstyle

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So went back to re-read the Nos/Mhs argument that happened back on page 16/17.

@Nos, I can't think of a better way to describe your vote on Mhs as anything other than stagnant. Your vote on him was placed on page 14 without explanation.

You later state that his, "sarcastic" comment really pinged you, but after going back and forth you say you,

but I know now that you genuinely believe you were being obviously sarcastic.

You vote for Mhs before Mhs had voted for Jake. So clearly your early vote on MHS had nothing to do with that. You said your vote remains b/c Mhs was "gunning for low-hanging fruit". Upon Mhs unvoting Jake, you said you would move it once someone pings you. So, 28 pages later, nothing pinged you?

Until I asked you that is.

1)

but I know

now

that you genuinely believe you were being obviously sarcastic.

NOW
adverb | \ˈnau̇\
1. at the present time
2. in the present situation

Example sentences:
We were having trouble before, but everything's okay

now

.
I'm feeling much better

now

, thank you.

Etymology:
Middle English, from Old English nū; akin to Old High German nū now, Latin nunc, Greek nyn

First Known Use: before 12th century

I don't get the misunderstanding here. I said I voted at the beginning for his sarcastic comment, talked about something else, he asked me what the initial vote was for, I told him. How people suddenly misconstrued this into something else is a mystery to me.

2)

You vote for Mhs before Mhs had voted for Jake. So clearly your early vote on MHS had nothing to do with that. You said your vote remains b/c Mhs was "gunning for low-hanging fruit". Upon Mhs unvoting Jake, you said you would move it once someone pings you. So, 28 pages later, nothing pinged you?

Did I say the initial vote on mhs was because of the gunning for low hanging fruit? No. But you already know that, because you literally say it in the next sentence, so why even mention it? 28 pages later, Lowell hadn't pinged me enough to warrant a vote, and I noted the implication issue with mhs upon a re-read.

3) It is completely normal for me to not explain things that ping me as soon as they do. NY192, the game where RC referenced I was one of the top townies; This is because I nailed scum to the wall D1, about 500 pages after I put my vote down. So the whole 'you didn't explain x until I asked' argument that was bound to come up sooner or later, is NAI.

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It's not misconstrued, Nos. I read that argument like three times now (as painful as that was). Did you previously think he didn't mean sarcasm? Yes. After arguing about it for a bit, do you later see that he did indeed mean to be sarcastic? Yes.

The point of me quoting it here was to show that your original reason for finding him suspicious was cleared up in that argument. So there was no reason to keep voting him, and to have kept your vote on him almost 30 pages later made no sense.

I could've sworn I just posted that I re-read the game at some point and found the implications scummy, which I didn't note before, and decided to keep my vote on despite Lowell's suspect behaviour but maybe I didn't.

pedit: I see what you mean now. I interpreted you saying "until I asked" as "you didn't bother to say what pinged you until I asked"
pedit2: I already said I didn't like lowell so it kinda is a pre-formed stance :I

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Oh I did then

28 pages later, Lowell hadn't pinged me enough to warrant a vote, and I noted the implication issue with mhs upon a re-read.

that was close

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Yah, and I don't see the 'implication' issue with Mhs. Perhaps there are other implications I missed?

no I just re-read in isolation, I couldn't see any other implications. my memory is failing me

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well if you're catching scum I'd think you wouldn't get scumread very easily.

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this is stagnant.

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@

Nosferatu,

(mhs and APF too if you can) what's your read on Max and him advocating Huntress for the lynch in 1077 (her only post with game content at the time of the scum read was 971 and Jeanne's 857 and 863) and then his subsequent vote on her a couple pages later? Last I remember you were giving Jake a town read (and he gave you a town read as well). I should add Max found Jeane suspicious in 939.

I still find the slot town, but I haven't reviewed my last game with max to look at tone yet.

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I am thinking Max is scum here based on wagon jumping. The clumsy wagon remained static while people jumped off Max. If Clumsy is scum, there are hard core bussers there.

Explain?

I do not see 'wagon jumping' at all. I barely see any voting at all. He voted once and gave a reason for it. Do you feel that reason is a lie? Why?

I don't think she meant max was jumping, but people were jumping on and off max.

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Day 1 will end on April 20 8:45 PM EST or in 1 day, 6 hours, 41 minutes give or take. It's a countdown.

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is there anyone here who thinks that lowell is town?

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why is he a town lean.

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I don't remember lowell being this jumpy with his votes in the last game I played with him. Do you?

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after reading the game, he also wasn't really a fan of gut reads, as I can't seem to find

any

in his ISO there. So what meta did you read