Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Wisdom]

It is not worrying me. I realize farmer is a manipulative scum and not everyone can understand at a glance he's scum like I do. Nobody did when I caught scum in my last town games.

[Wisdom]

I'll consider it if you put your ego aside and read farmer for what he is instead of "he is town because I don't like Wisdom and Wisdom scumreads him".

[Wisdom]

True, that's not an ego matter, that's just a fallacy you believe in, that there has to be a case in order for someone to be scum.

Have you never caught scum by just gut? I assume you have, because at the beginning of the game you scumread people because their posts "rubbed you the wrong way". You don't need hard evidence to realize someone is scum.

[Wisdom]

Case will just be biased though if the reason you've caught them is gut.

[Wisdom]

You aren't following yours either, though. You said you scumread farmer on gut but you just weren't able to make a case.

Instead you are focusing on two people, one of which you just dislike his playstyle and personality, and the other is a lynchbait who does not do things you expect from town despite how wrong it is to expect things from town.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Snarky

L-1

I'm not 100% behind this lynch but I'm done. Nobody is listening to each other and if we keep pushing our own reads we'll never get to a lynch due to everyone here being stubborn or scum. So hammer this day already and let us move on.

So let's just allow scum to have their way, huh?

[Wisdom]

Dude. Keep your vote on farmer. Someone will switch if they don't want to no-lynch.

[Wisdom]

Jeanne: We have 1 day and some change left. I am not getting lynched. Vote farmer - if I am right we lynch scum, if I'm wrong you get a legitimate reason to scumread me. Win-win for you.

[Wisdom]

farmer won't be on L-1 then because I was already there. I L-1'ed Snarky to get someone to hammer...

Just stay on farmer. Jeanne or maestro might vote him and then we just need someone to switch. Voting Jeanne does nothing.

[Wisdom]

You are not getting 5 votes on me in such a short amount of time, be realistic.

[Wisdom]

It's not happening here because only you and Jake are scumreading me (and even then you're more disliking me than scumreading me, but still). Nobody else is going to vote me.

[Wisdom]

He wants to appease me? You mean you think he is scum?

[Wisdom]

Anyway, Jeanne.

There are 4 votes on farmer.
There are 4 votes on Snarky.

Pick one of them if you want a lynch.

[Wisdom]

My thought process is one and is clear; I am scumreading farmer and I want him lynched. Ideally I'd want you to work with me and see that farmer is scum, but this is not happening, so I will settle for you voting him just to shut me up/prove I am scum/whatever it is you're thinking.

[Wisdom]

Masquerade or whoever, explain to Jeanne she has to pick a wagon because she won't take it from me :/

[Wisdom]

Or c) Wisdom is town and is correctly scumreading farmer.

Shouldn't you consider all possibilities, Jeanne?

[Wisdom]

You forgot this one, Snarky

farmer and one of Maestro/Aristophanes it is

which I still believe, especially with FB's awful vote on you.

[Wisdom]

Also please don't destroy the farmer wagon to wagon a VI

[Wisdom]

if only she hadn't posted after her third prod we'd had an actual player in her slot now

[Wisdom]

yay here comes the mislynch

[Wisdom]

Jeanne pls. I said the exact same things when you did the exact same bullshit in ASOIAF, and neither was I scum nor you were scumreading me there

[Wisdom]

yes

[Wisdom]

Hey Jeanne, here is a list of my three (3) scumreads, with summarized reasons, just for you.

Scumread no.1: a plain farmer
Reasons: Manipulative nature in his posts, awful reasoning for his wagon hops on both KTS and Snarky that looks artificial and forced, defensive attitude in regards to his participation in the KTS wagon that does not feel natural.

Scumread no.2: Firebringer-Aristophanes
Reasons: Lurking from Aristophanes, only to be around for awful wagon hops that look opportunistic. Firebringer's vote on Snarky has this as well, and given Firebringer has played with Snarky where Snarky got mislynched it's extra bad.

Scumread no.3: Maestro
Reasons: Lurking, awful hammer on KTS that could be opportunism masked with personal dislike, giving up/AtE that reminds me of his AtE in a past scum game of his.

[Wisdom]

I do not particularly care for your feedback, I just want to remind you I have three scumreads because you are claiming otherwise.

[Wisdom]

I do not possess a night kill, and if I did I wouldn't waste it on town

[Wisdom]

No, I would say the same if I was scum

Why are you not considering for a moment that you are wrong, I am town, and I am right about my scumreads?

[Wisdom]

I promise.

[Wisdom]

Okay, I swear. You can lynch me if I'm wrong.

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC:

a plain farmer (4) : Wisdom , Shiro, SnarkySnowman, Jeanne11
SnarkySnowman (4) : a plain farmer , Jake from State Farm , FireBringer , nnn_thekushmountains
Jeanne11 (1): Masquerade

Not Voting (1) : Maestro


Masquerade, back on the wagon please

Maestro/Jake/FB/kush, hammer please

[Wisdom]

lol

look at farmer appearing every time Jeanne votes him

[Wisdom]

Jeanne, whatever I say you interpret in a negative sense, so :/

I gave you my word, you can lynch me if I am wrong. There is nothing more to this than that.

[Wisdom]

Okay then, you can lynch me even if farmer flips scum. I'll take the sacrifice.

[Wisdom]

So am I scum, farmer? I haven't heard you say it yet.

[Wisdom]

Okay then, you can lynch me even if farmer flips scum. I'll take the sacrifice.

[Wisdom]

Do you want me to swear for that too or is it okay like that?

[Wisdom]

Oh, so still scared to scumread me. Gotcha.

[Wisdom]

So for whoever is keeping track - 1706 is yet another reason farmer is scum. He is subtly implying I am scum so he can match Jeanne's thoughts and make her listen to him (aka manipulation), yet he refuses to commit to scureading me when asked.

[Wisdom]

Says the guy who is leading Jeanne to believe he'll consent to his own lynch when I flip town :/

And, for the record, I'm not scumreading you.

So how does that work? I am town and I am manipulating people?

[Wisdom]

Jeanne you should win a scummy

For some serious talk though, after farmer flips scum and I get NK'd, the most likely partners are Firebringer and Maestro. Please be useful to the town when I won't be here and vote those two.

[Wisdom]

You misread that. I said it would end the game when I was still voting Snarky and thinking Snarky and farmer are buddies.

[Wisdom]

Pretty sure that's completely against my wincon.

If you must lynch me, please promise me you'll lynch Maestro next -__-

Sorry, we'll lynch farmer next

and that'll end the game

Relevant quotes for your convenience

[Wisdom]

aka "look at me, I want to look town so you don't vote me"

[Wisdom]

Tell me why farmer is town, FB.

[Wisdom]

Where is he trying to sort anyone? His questions are shallow and only have the purpose of keeping up an appearance.

[Wisdom]

My reads are already known. You or Maestro is the buddy.

[Wisdom]

I was leaning Maestro until you voted Snarky. wtf is your vote doing on Snarky?

[Wisdom]

That's not an answer, and yes, voting shows agenda. It equals MUCH.

[Wisdom]

Okay, I will keep scumreading you all day then. Have fun.

[Wisdom]

I'm happy I was right about Maestro being town

farmer/Firebringer 2016

[Wisdom]

You're funny, Jeanne

Masquerade, hammer this shit already

[Wisdom]

Good for you

[Wisdom]

If you shot Wisdom and he flips town, I will 100% lynch farmer.

I thought you weren't lynching farmer because I was wrong, wtf is this?

[Wisdom]

Yeah, you're scum

[Wisdom]

I can do a Firebringer flashwagon if people are interested and time allows, fwiw

[Wisdom]

Jeanne, if you didn't allow bias to control you, you'd see FB just slipped.

[Wisdom]

Sure, buddy

[Wisdom]

Cool story

[Wisdom]

Because we're lynching your buddy and your provoking me won't stop that

[Wisdom]

Yeah, those mafia aren't very smart. I don't even have to keep my promises now

[Wisdom]

The bad news are I have no clue who is scum now after this bullshit

I feel somewhat bad about Expedience sheeping me so easily
I should probably reconsider Snarky given I thought he was town because of farmer's push on him
kush not having done much recently makes me paranoid

I don't think Jake or FB are scum, that's about it.

[Wisdom]

That's your personal opinion

[Wisdom]

You will, because you're still biased

FB may support you for a while, but that's all

[Wisdom]

okay

[Wisdom]

At least Jeanne is dead, it will be better now!

[Wisdom]

And wow, I lynched one town, must mean I have to change my style that has worked for 3 years. Yeah

[Wisdom]

My opinion is that Expedience is hard to read. I've played with him once, he was scum, I was townreading him.

Let's wagon him and see what happens?

VOTE: Expedience

[Wisdom]

How can I be afraid of a site-known VI is beyond me

[Wisdom]

It's a fact she is a VI, she is rejected in games and we all made the mod force-replace her in ASOIAF. Hell, it's obvious from this game why that's true. She spent all game fighting with someone she wasn't even scumreading.

I nowhere backed down to any pressure. I was handling her like a kid the whole game.

[Wisdom]

Also, I'm starting to think Jake might be scum again. This Jeanne kill makes no sense, she was no danger to anyone as she would be obviously keep tunneling on me, and I don't believe there's anyone dumb in this playerlist that bought her obviously fake vig claim. However, if Jake genuinely believed I seemed scared of Jeanne for whatever reason, which seems to be the case, he could have killed her so he could push this point.

[Wisdom]

Quote where I backed down please

[Wisdom]

FB - maybe?

Probably not given his claim. Could have been CC'd, why risk it when he wasn't even in danger?

[Wisdom]

Ok, not lynching Maestro-slot today.

Uh, can you clarify how you ended up there?

[Wisdom]

You conveniently missed this:

Tough luck Maestro. You left me alive thinking I'd keep tunneling on Jake, huh?

and all the other posts where I started scumreading Maestro and changing my read on you.

Jeanne had nothing to do with it.

[Wisdom]

There were 2 kills N1. Given the size of this game, I'd say a JK N1 would clear a player.

Nope. Even if you're right that Maestro was jailed, there were two other scum alive who could have executed the kill. Not only that, but after Maestro's quickhammer, he would be crazy to be the one to execute the kill.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Wisdom

And I have thoughts I want to share later when I get a chance.

Where did this come from?

[Wisdom]

Not happenin

[Wisdom]

why you would want to waste time on maestro slot when we know the final 2 scum are wisdom/snarky is beyond me.

That should answer your question

[Wisdom]

How?

[Wisdom]

That's actually incorrect, I get invested the same way as scum

Effort is not alignment indicative.

[Wisdom]

True, we probably don't have a JK + Doc. He could be BP instead of Doc though.

Do you think he'd risk claiming like that? He wasn't under any lynch threat.

[Wisdom]

What.

You've spent all game lecturing people about how "town does this" and "town does that" yet now you're completely fine with town fakeclaiming?

[Wisdom]

That's a cool excuse. Now give an actual read.

[Wisdom]

I'm talking to you, Jake. Nobody is confirmed and you have no excuse dodging giving reads like that.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: FB

[Wisdom]

I'm talking to you, Jake. Nobody is confirmed and you have no excuse dodging giving reads like that.

I didn't dodge anything and I gave reads so lol @ you

You're not explaining why FB is town. "Because I have two scumreads" is not an explanation.

[Wisdom]

If you're actually town this is a ridiculously stupid thing to do. Neither I nor Snarky have flipped, writing off everyone else as town is just stopping playing the game.

[Wisdom]

I seriously cannot tell if Jake is this bad or scum faking the whole thing. I keep thinking the former yet then I recall that he's one of the few scum who have gotten me mislynched.

[Wisdom]

Because I don't get lynched as town

[Wisdom]

This is Jake's ISO from that game for whoever cares. He scumread me all game in a similar fashion, though the bullheadness is missing from that game.

[Wisdom]

Who does want to talk to me and listen and discuss and try to understand each other's pov's?

I think FB could be scum for that awful hammer. He's definitely not a doc given the JK flip, there is a chance he's BP, but it's all wifom.
I can't tell if Jake is scum. I keep wondering if this lack of brain he demonstrates in some posts can be consistently faked like this.
Expedience pushing the FB thing felt townish.
Snarky voting me is weird.
I think you and kush look town for trying to make sense of things.
Shiro has given me town vibes all around.

[Wisdom]

FB why did you hammer your townread?

[Wisdom]

In the beginning of the day I thought you're likely town because your claim was ballsy as scum as you could have been CCd.
Now I realize I give you too much credit and you maybe didn't think that through.
If I ignore your claim you're scummy as hell for hammering a townread without even getting a claim.

[Wisdom]

Me and Expedience had a scumread on farmer.
You had a townread.
And you hammered your townread without caring if you're lynching a PR.

You make no sense.

[Wisdom]

ok

[Wisdom]

Is this a new playstyle where you just call posts scum and hope people don't call your bullshit?

[Wisdom]

I think your carefree attitude confirms you likely fakeclaimed without thinking it through and then quickhammered to avoid a flashwagon on you

[Wisdom]

Can't it be you're wrong again?

[Wisdom]

Easy to replicate as scum

[Wisdom]

I think the attitude is null in general. The actions are what's scummy

[Wisdom]

I wasn't speaking in general. I don't doubt FB can be like this as town and it's not what I'm scumreading. I'm scumreading a quickhammer on a townread and a fakeclaim..

[Wisdom]

How am I anti town town again?

[Wisdom]

We've had a VI who refused to play and just argued with me because she disliked me.
We've had a tunneler who's content to townread people because he thinks he has solved the game.
We've had two quickhammers without claims from two different people, in both cases without a scumread driving it.

And I'm the anti town town that deserves a PL somehow?

[Wisdom]

Shiro, who is scum then?

[Wisdom]

Me wanting a hammer on my scumread has still nothing to do with what you did.

[Wisdom]

You supposedly scumread me and townread farmer. "I hammered because Wisdom told me" is just no.

[Wisdom]

Shiro I'm not buying FB is incapable of understanding how his argument is terribad, sorry. He's just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

[Wisdom]

In your dreams you'll maybe get me mislynched

[Wisdom]

No. Expedience looks town to me. Snarky I'd consider because his vote on me is awful.

[Wisdom]

Maestro wasn't that scummy though

[Wisdom]

Nah. You can't simply defend actual scummy actions like FB's yet want to lynch someone just for lurking.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Snarky

If FB wins this it's on you

[Wisdom]

Not even close

[Wisdom]

cool story bro

[Wisdom]

It was obvious I only said that bullshit because Jeanne was a kid. I'll never get willingly lynched as any alignment.

[Wisdom]

And what happens when I flip town and you end up in mylo, Jake?

[Wisdom]

Also, it is completely your problem - you are failing to properly analyze simple things as me trying to make a VI that can't be reasoned with vote with me. Hell, you even doubt Jeanne's status as a VI in order to push your point, something that is a sidewide fact.

[Wisdom]

Except I am no matter how much you try to tell yourself otherwise

[Wisdom]

It's amusing how you think you have the upper hand here. "You brought this on yourself" as if I'm actually getting lynched

You have to get out of your own little world where you think your opinion is everyone's opinion and realize that everyone else in the game understands I am town. You have way too high standards and expectations for what town play is, but we already discussed this so it's pointless to repeat.

My play has been completely fine. I have not hammered people out of dislike, I have not hammered unclaimed townreads, I am not spending the whole game tunneling on a single person because I dislike the way they play. If you want examples of how not to play, you should look at yourself first and foremost.

[Wisdom]

Am i right or wrong? no clue but the reasons are very good and damn near air tight.

Making good reasons is not what this game is about. You fail to actually understand people.

[Wisdom]

I'm done talking with you. You aren't going to admit you are scum and I am not going to change my vote. I will just prod dodge until this day ends unless somebody other than wisdom asks me direct questions. If wisdom isn't lynched today I will probably just replace out because I don't really have the energy to sit through another day phase with wisdom.

Then replace out now because I am not getting lynched

[Wisdom]

It will really help the game too. Tunnels where you don't want to listen to reason are not healthy for anyone.

[Wisdom]

please replace out and stay out of my games, this is not helping the game

[Wisdom]

if you were town you would have at least conceded that and idk, maybe apologized or show some remorse or something.

This is another example of you having unreal expectations;

Did you apologize for lynching KTS?
Did farmer apologize for lynching KTS?

No, both of you felt that KTS deserved it.

Likewise, I felt farmer deserved it. Why the hell would I apologize?

[Wisdom]

I need to re-read, because I'm really not sure what's what. I can see a case for literally every player being scum, though I'm inclined to townread Masq and Shiro the most.

Explain your vote on me.

[Wisdom]

I'm thinking Snarky voted me and went lurking believing/hoping I would be flashlynched

[Wisdom]

I am trying to ignore him because arguing with him just adds noise

[Wisdom]

Like I said, in the beginning of the day, I was townreading Snarky yesterday because I felt the pushes on him, especially farmer's, was scum-motivated, and there was no way it was bussing. With farmer being town I realize that was an idiotic reason to townread Snarky so I am not townreading him. And then there came his vote on me that made me think he's scum again.

Re:Expedience The way he went about FB being obvscum due to his hammer felt town, I feel like scum-he would be more absolute about it. It's not my strongest read and I won't really resist a lynch there, but I prefer Snarky as of right now.

[Wisdom]

FB pls

We don't need more people in this game who only post to say I should be lynched

Play the game with us

[Wisdom]

I did what?

[Wisdom]

I discussed with everyone yesterday, even with farmer

pls stop doing this

[Wisdom]

Like "Firebringer is scum, he did this and this"

Instead of "guys am I crazy for thinking FB's actions were confscum? Why isn't he being wagoned?"

It had a town vibe to it

[Wisdom]

Also I'm willing to work with everyone, even people that it's impossible to work with :/

[Wisdom]

You think Snarky is town?

[Wisdom]

Why?

[Wisdom]

I wanted Snarky's explanation first before I did this but I don't know if it's coming anytime soon so I will just do it now so the game can leave this bullshit state.

I am a JOAT. N1 I vigged Dierfire. N2 I watched Firebringer, nobody visited him. I have one more action left.

[Wisdom]

No, watcher sees those targeting him, not who he targets

[Wisdom]

Because of his claim

[Wisdom]

And there weren't any really town players who would be prime targets for scum either, so I hoped they'd target the claimed PR

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

Sorry Jake, but this makes me conftown as noone is going to counterclaim the Dier kill. Time to exit the tunnel.

[Wisdom]

Sorry Jake, but this makes me conftown as noone is going to counterclaim the Dier kill. Time to exit the tunnel.

I'm not exiting shit.

You are clearly SK claiming joat

Suck it sucker

lol

[Wisdom]

I am honestly out of the game Shiro.
If Wisdom is really town, this game doesn't feel worth winning.

[Wisdom]

Shall I remind you I'm the only source of dead scum so far?

Yes, I know I'm being a dick, but I'm getting fed up with this behavior against me as if I've commited crimes this game.

[Wisdom]

Shiro, still think FB is town? Because the only thing I keep thinking is he's doing this on purpose to emulate Jeanne and Jake. And unlike them he hasn't even been in the game since the beginning and he has no fucking reason to treat me like that.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, I rolled a dice

I didn't fucking blame you for the lynch on farmer. I wanted the lynch and I am glad it happened. I am blaming you for hammering a townread without asking for a claim.

[Wisdom]

Then do your own fucking scumhunting instead of whining about whether my reads are good or bad.

[Wisdom]

gg

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

I already had my final talk with Jeanne in the dead PT, so here's yours;

There were tons of awful moves from town in this game yet none of it was from me. I did not policy hammer someone I disliked (Maestro), I did not hammer someone I townread (Firebringer), I did not neglect claiming my PR on a verge of a certain lynch (farmer), I did not lie about my motivations (Snarky), and most importantly, I did not tunnel on a certain person and refuse to budge all game or to consider anything else because of dislike (you & Jeanne).

Nothing I did in this game warrants reporting, blacklisting, or policy lynching. I correctly townread a person you quickly mislynched. I vigged scum despite every part of me shouting at me to shoot you for being a dick. Speaking of which, I came back from not one, not two, but three incorrect but completely reasonable tunnels on townies, you, Maestro and Snarky. Okay, I was wrong about farmer. So what? Did I force anyone to lynch him? I felt he was scum so I pushed him. That's about all the wrong I did.

You have serious issues, Jake, and I recommend not playing mafia if you're just going to report whoever plays differently than what you expect. Because you'll just end up reporting the whole site. For a final time, there's no certain box that town or scum or whatever actions can be closed within. People are unpredictable because they are, well, people, and not machines.

[Wisdom]

Fire didn't game throw, he decided you were more likely scum than Shiro. That's your fault for being a dick to him.

[Wisdom]

And that's about all I have to say because judging from your replies you are just going to not realize how wrong you are in this. I hope you have fun in your future games, just stay out of mine.

[Wisdom]

Thanks for the game, FA.

Townies, reflect on your mistakes. Scum didn't win this because they played extraordinarily well, they won because we handed the win to them.

gg

[Wisdom]

FB other than your shitty hammer on farmer your play was not bad. Your claim WIFOM was pretty good; if it had succeeded I'd have caught scum killing you while we would have only lost a VT. The reason it didn't was said shitty hammer, of course. Scum weren't going to not keep you around after that. And then, don't vote people because of dislike, especially in lylo. Like, Jake was a dick, but he was obviously town if you looked hard enough. I know it's hard to take such bullshit and do nothing, but it's doable.

[Wisdom]

Oh btw Wisdom, jeane is a ton better than she used to be even though some of her stubborness needs to drop. I was honestly trying to help back when your argument was going and make her understand why her reasoning was wrong

Sorry, I am not seeing this. She did nothing this game.

[Wisdom]

I hope I'm wrong and you're improving and this game was just an unfortunate exception then

[Wisdom]

I didn't play in YCBA III.

And I never said you were the only reason town lost - you and Jake were just the primary reasons

[Wisdom]

while you were taken in with her

I'm stopping now or this will go on forever

[Wisdom]

Not everyone Your points on him was a large part of why I shot him.

[Wisdom]

fwiw I do analyze myself and I have recognized most of my mistakes in here and in the dead PT.

Lots of times I feel like what I'm posting clearly expresses my mind when it really doesn't - 1492 along with Masquerade's fix in1494 is a perfect example of this. Like, in that example I wanted to convey the "I'd like you to see through my eyes" point yet all I achieve is sound arrogant and give the impression I think I am a scumhunting god and you should sheep me. I think people might still think that's what I think while it's completely untrue but I am to blame for this with the tone of my posts. This is not something unique to this game, this is a common occurrence for me because I stupidly expect people to think like I do as if they have my thoughts in their head.

And well, the other problem is I just can't ignore people. I knew it harms the game to continue answering to Jeanne and Jake, and I knew it because I'm among the first to break up such fights when they don't involve me, in other games. Yet I continued doing it because I cannot stand letting words I consider wrong just lie there in the thread when I can try to post and try to make the other see how they're wrong. But in the end I make it worse.

These are the prime flaws I see in my play - Jake's "he didn't play like town" or "he didn't play to his win condition" or Jeanne's "he didn't consider all the possibilities" or Maestro's "you didn't let us get through to you" (this is in the dead PT) are complete bullshit in my opinion and I cannot take them seriously because they're objectively wrong.

Sorry if I made this game less fun for anyone.

[Wisdom]

read the next post after that and then make your pretentious post please

You want to take credit for "catching" somebody you only voted because they voted you and no other reason. Go right ahead. Have your glory

Or maybe you should realize that people can have reasons for scumreading people you might not be able to agree with yet still be right. What you are doing now and what you kept doing during the game is think that if you don't agree with the reasoning for something, that something is trash and doesn't exist.

[Wisdom]

You're wrong, Jake, and your ideas about how town has to act as if there is a set behavior for town are very wrong, as already discussed. Town can do whatever the hell they want if it will get them reads, as long as they can avoid being mislynched. Did I get mislynched? Nope. Did I get scum? Yes. In my opinion I succeeded in playing a vig, something that is hard for me because I am used to playing VT and obvtowning in D1.

Also, like Jeanne, you're making the mistake of thinking that just because I don't show doubt in my reads inthread, there isn't any. You're wrong. I considered farmer-town lots. I wasn't seeing it. Your calling my reasons bad did nothing to help me because you did not understand my reasons in the first place, just like you're not understanding how KTS figured out Dier was scum. You don't have depth when it comes to understanding others.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom, now i'm not gonna say that objectively makes you a better player already, but taking these mistakes and learning from them is what makes the great even better. i like your playstyle, and i like your character. so thanks for making that post pham

@Jake, read the next post after that and then make your pretentious post please.

also, if you simply think i omgused him or whatever the fuck you want to call it, then im not sure how if theres any available help for you

Your refusal to admit it was omgus proves there is no hope for you. You gave shit reasons for scum reading him. Aka you just got lucky

This is a good exhibit for what I'm talking about.