Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

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/confirm

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VOTE: maestro
because i like short day 1s

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Question for those with potentially serious votes: where is the Scum motivation for me / my posts so far?

Why would you assume any of those votes are serious?

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Maestro's breaking out the MS Paint this early reeks of desperation, though.

since when can you make stuff like that in mspaint

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Question for those with potentially serious votes: where is the Scum motivation for me / my posts so far?

Why would you assume any of those votes are serious?

*shrug* I left that open to voters' interpretation of their own votes.
Your own vote sounded serious - you implied it would contribute to a quick D1 lynch.

It was serious like a game of chicken is serious.

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VOTE: maestro
because i like short day 1s

VOTE: nnn

You lost the game of chicken.. That makes you something.

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Maestro's breaking out the MS Paint this early reeks of desperation, though.

I insert images = I am desperate Scum. How does that even compute in your head tho? Also, mountains is totes right - it's Preview (default iPaint, basically) so go shove your Microsoft shite where the sun don't shine, sir or madame.

L-1 right now. Fastest pre-game wagon and honestly I don't feel like it's undeserved.

Yo, mountains. This is what makes me think votes are serious.

@Snark: Tell me why I deserve L-1, preferably in ten words or less.

It was serious like a game of chicken is serious.

Yay! Talk to me about it then, bro.

PEDIT: Yeeup.

The wagon theory of mafia: scum are easier to catch near wagons because their vote means something.

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The wagon theory of mafia

A: I'm pretty sure that's not an actual thing
B: If you think it's a thing, explain how it applies?

You have 5/7 votes on you.
Mafia is now either eager to lynch you or not lynch you.
So they are willing to sacrifice looking townie to accomplish these tasks.

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You have 5/7 votes on you.
Mafia is now either eager to lynch you or not lynch you.
So they are willing to sacrifice looking townie to accomplish these tasks.

Not necessarily, at all, in any way? This is a Mini, meaning 2-4 Scum. Meaning 9-11 Town. Meaning this wagon (of 5 players) could easily be 100% TvT and Scum could just sit back and watch it happen. They don't have to want to lynch me and they don't have to not want to lynch me. It's page 2, page 3. They could easily ignore this wagon and nobody would notice, or care. So you're just wrong?!?

Not sure if you legit believe you're right or if you're pullin' stuff out your bum for fun.

If you are town, scum would want you to get lynched. They probably wouldn't vote you themselves because it would make them look bad. But they might subtly push your lynch or do nothing to prevent it.

My point is it charges the thread with a more alignment indicative atmosphere.

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I know little of this genre, but it seems interesting and FA is like, cool and stuff, so I had to join.

Looking forward to all of the musical links

Maestro, has scum voted you yet?
Kush, SE question. Do you think scum are already on Maestro or are waiting to see who makes the next move? I think your mentioning of the theory obscures any further info from this wagon tbh.

Masq, when are you planning on looking at this wagon? Today when it disbands or after we have a flip?

Double ninja, Oh my god!

well blame maestro for making me talk about it.

As for if scum were on the wagon.. dunno. But, for instance, if someone had joined the wagon seriously to put it at 6/7 then that might have been suspicious.

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My point is that you're wrong...?

you said why you thought i was wrong. I said why what you said didn't make me wrong.
Therefore the ball is in your court regarding the theory, and repeating that I'm wrong does not volley it back into mine.

Or feel free to not mention this theory ever again lol.

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he noticed how fast it was growing, and it was more out of joke than actually starting the wagon.

Maestro is town, at least one person who voted him was scum aligned, I don't expect scum to buss this early.

Why's that? Seems like a perfect opportunity to bus with lynch that will never happen.

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woh woh woh why is maestro town?

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UNVOTE:
jumping on maestro for that looks terrible to me.
VOTE: a plain farmer

It's terrible anti town play to claim vt, that I agree with. Especially since he seems to be serious about it. But it probably makes him town.

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Why are there absolutely no problems with Jeanne also doing it?

jeanne's wasn't serious. saying "lol im vt" doesn't mean anything.

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I don't see a "lol" in either of her posts.

no but my point was hers was a joke, his wasn't

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and he doubled down on it recently

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What would you say if I told you Jeanne "jokingly" claimed vig in the same way while she was scum in the previous game I played with her?

id say it was nai of course.

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so we've all silently agreed to leave it at 5 so you can catch up shiro

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dude jake you played with me at least twice under kushm4sta I think.

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he noticed how fast it was growing, and it was more out of joke than actually starting the wagon.

Maestro is town, at least one person who voted him was scum aligned, I don't expect scum to buss this early.

...eh, I don't buy it. A vote's a vote, especially on a bandwagon.

VOTE: Killthestory

@ Kuroi

Could you explain your vote on Killthestory? I'm not getting it.

Killthestory has found the actions found by some people scummy while others not scummy. When I asked him why, he said that some people aren't scummy if they do something scummy while "joking."

Can you explain this a little more kuroi? I don't understand how what you said explains your vote on maestro.

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ebwop
explains your vote on kts

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If that's the case you should roll dice to catch scum because nobody can tell the differences between town and scum things

kind of an overgeneralization of what Jake is saying, no?

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Not at all. That's what he said.

he was talking about reading people due to their stubborness. that's something very specific. you generalized it to scumhunting of all kinds.

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@snarky
it didn't go to L1.
and it only went to L2 because i put it there. So why would that mean it was serious? RVS votes to L3 aren't serious unless the voter says they are.

So Maestro is scum just because of the vt claim?

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@kuroi
"a vote's a vote"
what isthat referring to?
what aren't you buying?

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ok kuroi i understand.

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im having a hard time keeping track of people. gonna have to iso to figure out who I think is scum.

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Maestro is also town. Vote actual scum please

What changed your mind, champ? This is similar to your play in the Song of Ice and Fire game, where you were town, but also made many incorrect guesses. It's not convincing.

Doesn't everyone make incorrect guesses most of the time?

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I think today's lunch should be killthestory. I don't see any genuine scum hunting from him, his only serious attack has been on the person who voted him first and he hasn't really provided any good reason why he's scum reading dier. It looks like just an omgus reaction and his attempt to vote dier just looked like mud slinging. He also said I made an accusation about him which is also false. He's not doing anything to progress the game and instead he's just trying to alienate as many people as he can.

Side note

Spoiler:

I don't care what he says but a new person to the site just doesn't call different people they supposedly never played with, bad players or imply they are bad players or even catch attitude with people in a way that looks like it has some bias to it. I get the need to want to try something new or hide to get people to treat you differently but at least be honest about it.

actually today's lunch is gonna be a tuna fish sandwich.

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@jake
why is Wisdom scum or bad for refusing to vote "obvious scum" when there are like 11 other other people also not voting for "obvious scum"?

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@jake
why is Wisdom scum or bad for refusing to vote "obvious scum" when there are like 11 other other people also not voting for "obvious scum"?

He's not scum for not voting kill, he's scum because he's not playing like a townie. He's avoiding answering questions from at least 2 people, he provides little to no actual substance, when asked to explain himself he does in as few words as possible, if he actually does it at all, he's not doing anything to progress the game and he's not even attempting to convince others to follow him.

id say he's doing all those things you said he's not doing moreso than anyone else in this game. It looks like you've latched onto the person who is interacting with you kind of arbitrarily.

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lol nvm. I just filtered Wisdom. I have some concerns.
There's a lot of white knighting of Maestro. I white knight sometimes but when I white knight I try to figure out why someone is scumreading and explain why I'm townreading.
Wisdom is just calling people wrong and bad for scumreading Maestro.

I think how he jumped on Masq was a little easy.

Right now I'm not sure why he's scumreading Jake.

pedit: Hi Kill.
I don't know how I feel about the leading wagons, kill and maestro, right now. My thoughts without filtering:
KILL -hard to read but some good thoughts there. I liked how he just called Jake out on calling Wisdom out on making little posts.
MAESTRO -felt town just from early game. Not sure why people are voting him.

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How is Wisdom's scumread of Jake justified?

@Jake
You are scumreading Wisdom for short posts. Isn't that just his style?

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Actually Jake, Wisdom has done more scumhunting than you. A lot more in fact, so... Where the fuck does that lead you?

He really hasn't. Just saying so and so is scum without providing reading isn't scum hunting, at least not my definition of it and that's basically what he's done all game. He has still refused to explain why any of his scum reads are what they are with reasons that actually are scummy.

P.edit - I'm not scum reading him for shot posts. Why are you misrepping me? I explained all of the reasons why I'm scum reading him and "he makes short posts" isn't one of them.

What I said is when asked to explain himself he does so in very few words,

if he actually does it at all

The bolded is the more egregious behavior. I've counted at least 4 times where he has refused to explain himself/answer questions. Scum tend to talk very little also so yes him being brief and providing no actual scummy reasoning for his reads is a very good reason to be scum reading him

I didn't mean to misrep you. I just simplified your statement.
I think scum might post less often, but I don't think words per post is not a scumtell.
Not answering questions is a scumtell? In the right context it can be. This isn't the right context.

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I enjoy Wisdom's sparse style and I may try to emulate it in my next town game.

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I enjoy Wisdom's sparse style and I may try to emulate it in my next town game.

Insinuating this is not one of your town games...

How does that insinuate that?

I enjoy Wisdom's sparse style and I may try to emulate it in my next town game.

I wouldn't cause it's not very effective assuming he's town here.

When I'm scum, if someone calls me scum to my face, I get scared. So I think it would be pretty effective against me.

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what does you being scum and being called scum have to do with how you would play as town?

because it would work on me so I'd imagine it would work on others as well.

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Why not start now then?

Who is scum. Call them that to their face.

Well I'd have to be following stuff really closely from the beginning.
This game I'm taking a more chillaxed, comtemplative approach.

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Kush is playing both sides of the argument until he sees which way it will go.

So if I understand this, you think I'm going to pretend to suspect both people, until there's a wagon on one, then conveniently join that?
That sounds pretty scummy. Why did you think that other thing looked scummier than this?

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"you're mafia"
"no you're mafia"
"you're wrong"
"no you're wrong"
"oh yeah well you're double wrong because your also wrong about me being wrong"
-Jake vs Wisdom over the last 5 pages

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yay let's label every obnoxious fight TvT because we can

I didn't label it tvt. Don't put words in my mouth.

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but it is probably tvt lol

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yay let's label every obnoxious fight TvT because we can

I didn't label it tvt. Don't put words in my mouth.

Then what was the point of your post?

A nice and funny way of telling you two to stop saying the same stuff over and over again.

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UNVOTE:
that last post showed townie enough thought

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So basically you called us both town

no. but i do think you're both town. less so on jake.

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pvote
VOTE: jeanne

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yes its a policy vote kuroi.
And I'm sorry for striking you the wrong way. Next time I'll try to strike you the right way. Right in the udders.

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whats the wewlads thing?

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Killthestory, you are a beautiful person. Remember that next time you feel the need to belittle someone else.

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Maestro, an overreaction to kills obnoxiousness.
That scumslip though lol.
It's a bad reason to townread maestro but his not wanting to play looks honest and townie.

Bear with my phone posting formatting.
From Jake

What I said is when asked to explain himself he does so in very few words, if he actually does it at all

The bolded is the more egregious behavior.

Reading this again, it feels so fake.
Lots of people won't answer questions about their reads. Not responding to questions is what makes him scum?
I don't buy that.
So as much as I like my policy voting, I'll vote game.
Maybe at some point I'll filter him properly and townread him again so I can go back to my beloved plynch.

VOTE: jake from state farm
Do you actually work at state farm?
My name irl is jake and people are always saying jake from state farm haha...it's kind of annoying but they are funny commercials.

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That scumslip though lol.

Explain to me why anybody would be in the mindset of "emulating" a behavior for a Town game. You don't emulated anything in order to tell the truth.

But playing town is more than just telling the truth. You need an approach for how you are going to find scum.

Are you just curious or are you trying to figure out if it's a scumslip or not? Because I don't see how your question accomplishes that.
If your just curious though, that's cool.

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Reading this again, it feels so fake.
Lots of people won't answer questions about their reads. Not responding to questions is what makes him scum?
I don't buy that.

I'm sorry you feel it's fake, I assure you regardless of alignment nothing I accuse people of is fake. As scum the best way to play convincingly is to accuse people of the same things you would if you were town. That's why despite hating playing as scum, my scum game is on point.

But guess what? I'm not scum reading him because he's not answering my questions. I've given other reasons also yet for some reason you chose to ignore those and focus on just one of the lesser reasons. That's weird.

Also, people shouldn't refuse to answer questions about their reads, all players in general but most definitely not town. Town should try to be as transparent as possible. Scum have motivation to do less talking cause the more they do, the more likely they can screw up. If a player refuses to explain their reads, especially scum reads that's a huge red flag imo.

No my name isn't really Jake, no I don't really work for State Farm.

that's the only reason I found.
@aristo It's not a gut read. I know Jake has been around the block a few times, and he's scumreading someone for something that is player style and NAI.

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@jake
why is Wisdom scum or bad for refusing to vote "obvious scum" when there are like 11 other other people also not voting for "obvious scum"?

He's not scum for not voting kill, he's scum because he's not playing like a townie. He's avoiding answering questions from at least 2 people, he provides little to no actual substance, when asked to explain himself he does in as few words as possible, if he actually does it at all, he's not doing anything to progress the game and he's not even attempting to convince others to follow him.

Here is the post with the supposed awesome reasons for scumreading Wisdom.

"avoiding answering questions" - yeah this is the fake reason
"provides little to no actual substance" - again, I think this is stylistic not alignment indicative
"when asked to explain himself he does in as few words as possible" - But don't scum have the tendency to over defend usually?
"he's not doing anything to progress the game and he's not even attempting to convince others to follow him" - So everyone who's not a town leader is scum? I'd say most people in this game fall into that category.

So I have read all your reasons now, and I think they are all scummy.

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Jake, care to address this point:
"when asked to explain himself he does in as few words as possible" - But don't scum have the tendency to over defend usually?

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if you do a good job answering, I'll go back to my policy vote on Jeanne. You'll like that because I know you feel the heat of my vote!

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Maestro started out the game nice and active and stuff. Now of a sudden it's like he's a different person. Not interactive and all he can talk about is how much he hates KTS.
What happened bro?

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Reflecting on EoD, it feels too scummy to be scum for Maestro to hammer kill like that just for being an ass.

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Maestro started the game all active and happy, then came back mean and depressed. Kind of like his puppy died in between.
Then he hammers KtS, which is a behavior that fits his psychology. So no he does not get a scumread.

pedit:

Isn't the too scummy to be scum kind of along the same lines as too townie to be town?

no. because town is trying to looktown, but scum isn't trying to look scum.

Too scummy to be scum is a fallacy. The fact is that this hammer was easily excusable because of the general dislike on KTS's attitude.

I think scum likes to have a real reason to vote someone, other than "i dont like this person."
And it's not a fallacy. You just have to be careful to consider a player's personality when you use it.

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Wisdom, some patterns are easy to avoid. Some aren't. For instance, my activity falls heavily as scum. That is a pattern I can't avoid, because I can't bring myself to care about the game if I already know the solution.

You have to ask yourself, what kind of scum player would Maestro be? VI-type players defy the too scummy to be scum aphorism, but players like Maestro usually do not.

His mental state upon returning to the thread before EoD after a hiatus from activity was dark. I think something happened in his real life, or maybe he was bored with forum mafia. Possibly something happened in a different game. IF you look at his hammer from a perspective of accepting his changed mental state, it makes sense.

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So you do not think maestro is scum? On top of that, who is your scum then?

I don't know yet.

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So Wisdom, would you be willing to wait 2 days for him to cool down and come back to the thread with reads?
That would give us more to judge him off of.

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He had that time. It was called Night 1. The reason I continued tunneling on Jake was to see if he would do things after the thing that supposedly prevented him (KTS) was gone. He didn't.

before he even came back to the thread you were putting pressure on him. Why don't you give him some space to do stuff?

I like your style. Underlying it is the assumption that seeing how people act under pressure helps you to read them.
In my experience, people who get mad when they are scumread are usually town. Link to the game where he supossedly acted exactly the same way as scum.

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Ive been busy at work. I'm going to try to catch up this weekend.

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yo im back. Didn't have time to do anything this weekend.

VOTE: snarkysnowman

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It's so incredibly dumb when people call each other cancer.

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Thanks for your opinion. Anything game related to add?

After catching up, I still want to lynch snarky.
- superficial reads (calling maestro scum for ate, for thinking I scumslipped)
- strength of read on maestro not supported by the evidence

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Ok saying that I didn't engage the situation is pretty fake. I was consistently here the past few arguments.

I could do Farmer. I did say that I think at least one of the two is scum but if he flips town we should get snarky.

Vote:Farmer

why is one of farmer/snarky scum? is it some connection between the two or just the fact that you are scumreading both of them?

whyd you switch to farmer from snarky?

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kush consider lynching farmer please

where's the case? i remember isoing farmer and I thought he sounded townie.

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defense of farmer:

But I can say now that Kill's vote on Jake looks bad and omgussy.

What town motivations could there be for it? He could think Jake is scum, but as he said, he had townread Jake before then (and seemed to be rather strongly townreading him), and I don't buy that Jake's post was actually scummy enough to warrant such a shift. He could be testing for a reaction, but Jake has provided enough content so far that I don't think he'd be an appropriate choice for this.

What scum motivations could there be for it? The top two wagons at the time were his an Maestro's, and Maestro's wagon didn't seem to be going anywhere. Of the other wagons, the only one that would seem to have had any momentum was Jake's, being pushed aggressively by Wisdom. So I could see him anticipating this wagon's rise and hopping on before it looks opportunistic to do so.

So despite the risk of incurring his burns:

VOTE: Killthestory

townielike depth of thought

Snarky's starting to look bad. His case against Maestro in 613 is pretty much a bunch of quotes that the reader is supposed to interpret negatively.

@ Snarky

Do you have any prior experience with Maestro?

Can we drop this and agree Wisdom is town? I definitely follow his line of thinking here and I think it's distracting from {Jake, Maestro} scum and {Aristo} SK

Why do you assume that the second death is due to a SK, and why do you posit that SK to be Aristo?

Also I'd like an actual claim if possible, and also a weigh-in from anyone who is not Wisdom, Jake, Maestro

Why do you want a claim at L-4? I know it's low-hanging fruit, but how am I to see this as anything other than role-fishing?

good points that I agree with against snarky. Especially the sk thing which struck me as tmi.

How can you be null on the most active person in the game ?

It's not clear to me how he's actually formulating his reads. If there isn't any indication of how his reads come into being (as indicated by explanations of why someone's town/scum), then it is difficult to gage such things as whether he is operating from an uninformed or informed perspective, and whether his reads are developing in a natural, townie way (as opposed to being created secondarily for some scum purpose).

Despite this, I'm not scumreading him because his reads have been progressing and I get the feeling that he is trying to figure the game out.

If you have any suggestions as to how to build up this read, I'd love to hear it.

About this, I think scum is more likely to have popular reads actually.

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good points that I agree with against snarky. Especially the sk thing which struck me as tmi.

Come on, you agree that scum try to get a claim at L-4?

scum wants a claim like that more than anything. It's better than a mislynch.

And even the SK thing, why do you think that it's scum who thinks SK?

Both those things are more "weird" than "scummy" if you think about it.

If town thinks someone isn't town, they think that person is scum.
If scum thinks someone isn't town, they think that person is SK.
And that's why scum are more likely to bring up and accuse sk than town is.

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I'm getting cold feet. His suspicion of Maestro is reasonable.

UNVOTE:

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I'm a dick? Damn I'm trying to change.

If it makes you feel any better, I remember you as way more of a dick than you are now. It's just Wisdom is kinda dickish, and you're still kinda dickish, and when you rub two dicks together they grow into even bigger dicks.

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snarky why is dierfire nk probably an sk rather than vig?

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it doesn't make sense to me that a vig would shoot someone like him night 1.

why not

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@SNARKY you have ignored my question. Why was dierfire more likely killed by an sk than vig?

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At the time it didn't seem like a town-aligned KTS really would've switched to thinking Jake was scum at the time (as I believe I pointed out). So of course that explanation should've been disregarded.

kush, read this. Do you find it reasonable that the "KTS could be town scumreading Jake" should be disregarded in favor of a "KTS predicted Jake would be an upcoming wagon so he switched his vote to him"?

And this to justify a wagon hope on KTS?

yes. One of the ways people scumhunt is to ask:
does this player's scumread make sense? does it fit with their personality? does it fit with the evidence?
You try to understand if the scumread is genuine or opportunistic. Farmer thought kts' scumread of jake was opportunistic and said why.

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snarky why wouldn't a vig shoot someone like him n1?
And why is it so hard to get this answer from you. That statement doesn't explain why, it just says it "doesn't make sense."

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@snarky. you still haven't answered my questinon that I've asked again and again.
WHY does dierfire seem like an sk kill rather than a vig kill?

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@wisdom why did you stop pushing maestro?

I won't ever vote farmer. I see so much insight in his posts. I think 3/4 on his wagon are potential scum.

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Well Dierfire hasn't said much for me to go on but his 132 sounds just as weird as 248, which was a forced scumread. I'm afraid I'm going on confbias here, but to me 132 feels like forced scummunication. It's like he's trying to point out how he and farmer engaged so they wouldn't be buddy-read. Why would Dierfire take special interest in farmer's question?
Then farmer's iso, when farmer makes his case on Kts (387) he takes a lot of words to say that he scumreads Kts for 'opportunistic jumping the jake-wagon' Also, like Dierfire, he adds another perspective. I don't even know why you would add another perspective? If you're town you have one perspective and that's to lynch scum.

VOTE: a plain farmer

SO why vote farmer here isntead of Dier?

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and no I am not seeing his posts as town wisdom. I honestly could see farmer bussing, like Snarky posts talking about farmer then suddenly tieing maestro and jake out of nowhere was weird but that pair is not my top.

It's frustrating that shiro is afk because her read progression is confusing me.
Masq -> Snarky -> Farmer. Seems opportunistic, right? It doesn't make sense that she would switch from snarky to farmer so easily.

And her prolonged defense of wisdom seems out of place--like it wasn't warranted because Jeanne's suspicion of Wisdom wasn't that important. And it looks like the thing she cares the most about in her whole filter.

New wagon:
VOTE: shiro

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You should check when I made that post.

explain?

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@Masq, the reason I'm thinking about that, is your case is a lot stronger on Dier, yet you vote Farmer. Your actions weren't matching your words.

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oh was that after dier flipped..

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New wagon:
VOTE: shiro

Good luck with that buddy

Can you explain your switch to farmer more?
Why is one of farmer/snarky scum necessarily?
You said if farmer is town, lynch snarky. Why?

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UNVOTE: VOTE: snarkysnowman

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I need vla on weekends

will be granted

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why is wisdom obv scum again?

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VOTE: expedience
I've been looking at the game wisdom posted, and maestro's play does look similar here. It at least proves that he's the type of mafia player who you can't townread for being a dick.

I find the nature of activity very smummy as well. He disappeared except for when he's under pressure.

Other scum:
Shiro has yet to do anything to convince me of her towniness. Actually my first choice but no one else wants to lynch for some reason??
Snarky - I have to close read his activity near EoD to make a good decision on him.
FB - maybe?

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masq how would jking someone tell you their alignment?

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@jake, for you is this a plynch or a scumlynch?

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@jake, for you is this a plynch or a scumlynch?

Scum lynch. Have you not been paying attention?

That's what I thought.
So you think the person who is most invested in the game is mafia? The person who is most invested in the game is never mafia and you should know that.

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so the fb doc claim was right before eod?
why would the real doc claim there. it's clear wifom.

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It strengthens the case against FB that he would jump on fb for that superficial reason.

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edwop against dissonance

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a better question: why are people townreading shiro?

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Side note 2: Is it me or Dierfire post seem really slow ? Like, reading them I felt like they were dead. Can't truly explain the feeling though. Maybe it is because he is using way too many words to say way too l little.

hmmm. yeah this is actually quite insightful and townie

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I've poed down to snarky/fb/expedience.
Having filtered Snarky, I'm most confident voting him. He white knights wisdom soo hard d2 against Jeanne, which in itself looks out of place. And today he contradicts himself to join the wisdom wagon without explaining himself.
VOTE: snarkysnowman

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Why is wisdom not in your scum pile?

Because he's super invested in the game and I'm not talking about just activity.
He's got townie reasons behind his scumreads.

We're both experienced players. From one to another, you are obviously tunneled. Pull your head out of your ass.

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The reasons he gave for farmer weren't townie reasons

why not. They look believable to me.

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But Jake, a case being wrong or bad doesn't make it scummy.

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how do i vla myself every weekend

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if he nked would you see that?

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so why did think he would be a target?

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aww poor jake

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Firebringer, claim your real role.

why

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Wait, assuming 2 scum left this is mylo

Vote:no lynch

yep i think that is the best play.

Vote:no lynch

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prod dodge. waiting for no lynch.

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prod dodge.
im here. g onna be catching up throughout the day.

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or i could just win

VOTE: jakefromstatefarm

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lol..
Jake Reread your own signature. From what I saw nothing they did merits being reported.

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damn you guys are all so mean to each other.

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Well GG. I had fun playing with all of you. I think town played bad, but no one was really out of line.

Jake was quite obviously town which is half the battle, so I don't think he played that bad.

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no