Mini 1786: Inspirational Mafia (Game Over)
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In post 14, kagesong wrote:Hi guys. I do want to do a bit of an intro, as I am still also in my second newbie game. That makes this my third game of Mafia EVER. Any advice is much appreciated, though it will be analyzed for game-play misdirection as well. I hope that, being a newbie I do not ruin the game, and we all have fun. I would RVS Creature in return, but he's already got a wagon. SO..............thinking................. the guy who apparently has a sick shotgun. Not very useful with a sick weapon. VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
It's a double entendre! Also welcome to mafia scum. It is a wonderful place that has driven me crazy by keeping me sane for years now.#freeShotty-
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The great thing is neither time did you use vote tags so you still haven't voted.#freeShotty-
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In post 17, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
The great thing is neither time did you use vote tags so you still haven't voted.
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In post 20, Katsuki wrote:In post 9, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
I’ll be V/LA from approximately 5pm today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.
Can we please lynch this before he has a chance to fakeclaim?
Hey Kat where is your cupcake buddy#freeShotty-
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In post 32, implosion wrote:Stupid mod giving me my role pm 30 minutes after I go to sleep
Oh lord there are three JOATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#freeShotty-
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In post 36, Katsuki wrote:In post 27, drmyshottyizsik wrote:In post 20, Katsuki wrote:In post 9, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
I’ll be V/LA from approximately 5pm today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.
Can we please lynch this before he has a chance to fakeclaim?
Hey Kat where is your cupcake buddy
and who may that be?
I might as well ask, where is Gandalf?
Old times.
Gandalf is off smoking weed and trying to get a masters degree by 20(Believe it or not Gandalf is insanely smart).#freeShotty-
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Finally someone makes sense. Is this a PL?#freeShotty-
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In post 77, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 76, Katsuki wrote:In post 72, kagesong wrote:In post 37, Katsuki wrote:In post 30, kagesong wrote:In post 23, Katsuki wrote:Yes. This is a serious wagon on scum.
Should I assume sarcasm please? Or am I missing something?
I am not one for jokes nor sarcasm. MOI is assuredly scum.
At post 23? By what logic?
You seem to be unusually resistant to the idea of voting MOI. Why?
Do you think his reaction is scummy? Given his newness and given that it would legitimately be seen as pretty surprising to have a player declare that his vote is a serious attack on scum this early, isn't this pretty much textbook for how you would expect a newer town player to react?
Come on tsq you're bettert than this. This is a clasic misdirected comment. That is how any new player would react regardless of alignment, and you know this. So why are you deffending him and calling him town from a null tell?#freeShotty-
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In post 112, Katsuki wrote:Also UT is solidly town. I trust in my ability to read him.
Funny how TSQ is trying to start casting doubts on another player on my wagon now that it's at L-1.
This is aweful. With the fake day cop claim plus my scum read on you and UT, this leads me to believe you were seriously trying to bus ut for confirmed town status. Intend to hammer, claim for real.#freeShotty-
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In post 116, Katsuki wrote:wtf are you even talking about bussing UT anyways.
I was gonna say things have changed with your #113, but #114 is the same VI shotty of 2010. Pity.
Wow so ad hom is your plan. This is even worse. A claim may have been a bit rash to ask for, it is still early but you are suspect #1 with tsq at #2 and ut in third.#freeShotty-
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In post 126, kagesong wrote:In post 123, Katsuki wrote:In post 119, kagesong wrote:I am very tempted to hammer myself if Katsuki does not produce some notable reason not to. Every thing so far at the very least screams NOT TOWN.
What have I done specifically in your mind that screams "NOT TOWN"?
Umm, have you been reading? Do I have to repeat everything that everyone has said?
Implosion the other thing is I truly think that the fake claim was an attempt to earn instant town cred by bussing. I don't have as strong of a read on UT as kat but if kat flips scum the interaction between kat and UT is scummy all the way around. He fake guilties him and then back peddles and says that he can read UT and he knows he is town. This is scum in a bun in the sun, ready for baking
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No, you and kat are not scum together. But one of you is. I think it is kat but you are at #2#freeShotty-
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In post 181, Thestatusquo wrote:4. SnarkySnowman
7. MagnaofIllusion
8. Kmd4390
12. Lowell
13. Untrod Tripod
Here is a list of people I would like to hear a hell of a lot more from before the day ends.
I can second that.
Also tsq - lets be honest you don't like new people. You told me that 6 years ago when you where explaining why you hated me.#freeShotty-
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In post 201, Thestatusquo wrote:VOTE: Katsuki
We're gunna keep him at l-2. I don't want the day to end without people chiming in but I also do not want to give smoke and cover for potential katsuki scumbuddies to quietly let the wagon dissipate.
Stop speaking for the town. You have your vote alone, stop coaching and trying to manipulate town.
VOTE: kat
I think l-1 is a fine place for kat to be. He is obviously scum.#freeShotty-
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In post 208, Thestatusquo wrote:Having an opinion that its too early to end the day and taking actions to ensure it doesnt happen is neither coaching nor manipulation.
I'm fine with him at l-1.
I just dont want you hammering when there's no fucking reason to.
But your subtle (not really subtle, but you probably think it is) well poisoning is noted.
You think I'm attacking you personally? I'm pretty sure I've been fairly germane so far.#freeShotty-
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In post 211, Thestatusquo wrote:Where in that post do I even come close to saying you're attacking me personally?
Who are you saying I'm well poisoning?
Because if you then right there. Well poisoning is just adverse ad hom.#freeShotty-
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In post 214, Thestatusquo wrote:Who am I coaching? What? People keep saying that I'm coaching but in order to be coaching I need to be coaching someone.
No one has posited who that fucking is yet.
Shotty you are poisoning my well. Do you know what well poisoning is? What? How is me saying you're poisoning my well me saying youre attacking me personally.
You make my head hurt.
Typically poisoning the well means using personal or adverse information to distract and passively harm someone.#freeShotty-
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In post 219, Thestatusquo wrote:1) Cuz I felt like it. It's something I've done a lot in IRL games and I've liked the kind of discussion it generates.
2) Because I got a list of players and went down it and deleted people that I remembered contributing. It's possible that I missed creature,
Going back through ISO I think my inclination to leave him off is correct. He has 17 posts today, and while theres not much in depth content, there is certainly some, which is way more than the others on my list.
Shotty. Well poisoning is presenting information in such a way (usually preemptively) that it discredits a person. Usually the information is either false or from a skewed perspective. It has nothing to do with personal attacks. Specifically, I am saying that you characterizing my desire to not have the day end early and taking steps to avoid that "manipulation and coaching" is unwarranted and attempts to discount my opinions and actions rather than actually arguing against them.
It's textbook well poisoning.
The coaching I already addressed. This is the third time you've said I'm coaching unless I'm mistaken. In mafia the term coaching typically means telling a lesser experienced scumbuddy what to do subtly. Hence it is incoherent to accuse someone of "coaching" without saying who it is that they're coaching. you haven't told me who I'm coaching. Coaching without a scum buddy? We just call that "having opinions on the game."
I'm not trying to discredit you per say, and perhaps it is personal for me, but I've experienced the biased wrath of TSQ before, so yes I am quick to look skeptically at you.#freeShotty-
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In post 221, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 218, drmyshottyizsik wrote:My main read on ut is that he has lurked most of today, and none of his posts where scum hunting, just defences and filler, but with 6 posts it's hard to tell. I do find it strange that he disappeared after a little suspicion was cast.
He was V/LA most of today. He has said this. I know for a fact he was in Columbus this weekend for an audition. Keep in mind this day has been absurdly short and we got out of RVS very quickly.
I think this point is disingenuous.
Actually, I think most of the things you've posted here read a lot like "looking for things you could conceivably attack without checking into them thoroughly." and not "trying to find scum."
hmmmmm. I'll have to look into that tomorrow in more depth.
This is why I said "but it's hard to tell with 6 posts". Also, about your
TSQ wrote:"looking for things you could conceivably attack without checking into them thoroughly."
All I have to say is
Keep in mind this day has been absurdly short and we got out of RVS very quickly.
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How about instead of giving us a boo hoo sob story about how I've been angry at you before you answer the fucking points that i made. How is it manipulation to have opinions on when the day should end and then take DIRECT PERSONAL ACTION to make sure that that this happens the way you want it to. Who am I coaching? I don't give a fuck if I was mean to you 8 years ago. That isn't an answer to either of the direct callouts I made at your hamfisted attack.
The manipulative part is when you start using the word "we won't" or "we anything" you are speaking as is your have more power than one vote, and this is manipulative. It is one thing to have an opinion and a complete other to dictate yours onto the town.
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In post 103, Thestatusquo wrote:In other news, I think UT might be scum. I'm not willing to explain right now because I want to continue reading something.
Care to explain any further yet?#freeShotty-
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In post 227, Thestatusquo wrote:Are you literally the dumbest person alive? Well poisoning is saying something that is a mischaracterization in order to discredit someones opinions. Not saying "I think you are doing this thing and I think you are scum from it."
Oh my fucking god. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Let's be fair now TSQ. First off, no need for ad hom. I'm not dumb. Second, you are discrediting my opinion and posts by saying they aren't scumhunty enough. I'd call that a mischaracterization of my posts, and also since you are talking about me as a d-2 lynch possibility I would say that meets your prior requirement for being preemptive. All I'm saying is let's not be hypocrites.#freeShotty-
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In post 230, Thestatusquo wrote:Bruhhhhh
In post 233, Untrod Tripod wrote:
yeah, I grok what you're saying now. I still don't find shea's unvote scummy.In post 215, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Given this … is your opinion on the unvote different now?
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In post 236, Thestatusquo wrote:Tides changed? What the actual fuck. You mean when I said I wanted him to be at l-2 so he wasn't quick hammered by you and then that wasn't an issue anymore so I revoted? That is one fucking GIANT mischaracterization.
Then you changed your tune and said well L1 is ok. If you really thought that wouldn't you have unvoted again once I voted?#freeShotty-
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In post 238, Thestatusquo wrote:Yes, l1 is ok because the reason I didn't want it to be l1 was because you expressed that you were going to hammer. Then you were already on the wagon so that wasn't going to happen.
Are you actually this dumb or what?
No, see again you are making this personal. I was one of 2 or 3 people who said they would hammer. Me voting still leaves one or two people who said they would hammer, and kat was still L1. And look what happened one of the others who said they would hammer did. Why didn't you unvote when the newbie said they would hammer in their next post?#freeShotty-
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In post 241, Thestatusquo wrote:You're bad at reading.
No you are just out of fake reasoning so you are getting personal again. You really like ad hom#freeShotty-
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In post 243, Thestatusquo wrote:no, I literally already answered that exact question. Literally the exact question.
No you didn't. You said that because I was already on the wagon you weren't scared anymore, but you ignoring the fact that I wasn't the only person willing to hammer. Why is me hammering any different than newbie hammering? Are you protecting them or are you just this bad at faking a line of reasoning?#freeShotty-
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In post 202, implosion wrote:In post 200, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 199, implosion wrote:In fact Lowell might be scummy for 194 if Katsuki is scum; it's possible that he's trying to salvage a bad d1 and leverage the existing sentiment of kats scum implying shea scum into a day two mislynch.
For now though, I'm going to join Shea. Honestly partially because I'll be bored if this game goes into night too early. But partially because I thought snarky's posting so far was ever so slightly scummy and I really would like to see more from him (and others too).
Unvote
I really really really don't like this post.
Elaborate.
And unless I see someone who I prefer to vote over katsukiandwho has a budding wagon my vote is effectively on katsuki.
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This is my "or 2". I would say this would be reason enough to be scared if I followed you line of reasoning.
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No I actually can't. I haven't been on ms for the past 3 years or so, and I don't have any completed games yet since my return. Feel free to look, but I won't be discussing on going games.#freeShotty-
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In post 251, Thestatusquo wrote:Got any old ones then?
And I think that a player saying they were unvoting because they literally agreed with me that it was too early to lynch is a little bit of a stretch as support for your argument.
It's not the unvote, it is whe he said for all intents and purposes his vote was still on kat.#freeShotty-
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In post 258, Thestatusquo wrote:Ironically, that particular quote was directed at shotty, roughly 5-6 years ago.
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In post 261, Lowell wrote:Oh damn, VOTE: creature is scum.
Everything about 234 rubs me the wrong way. He criticizes every vote on the wagon (lazy, opportunistic, etc.) without actually saying what's wrong with the lynch. He doesn't offer an alternative vote, he just calls the wagon (in so many words) itself scummy. He's trying to distance himself from this wagon without offering anything substantial to get himself in trouble. If kats flips town he's my #1 suspect.
You know the hammer is dropped right.....#freeShotty-
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Here is my wiki. There is a basic grid of my games there.#freeShotty-
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In post 269, kagesong wrote:I'm going to be V/LA until further notice. I have to investigate the actions taken against me by someone on this site, and I do not want my personal anger to affect my game.
@mod please confirm you have seen this via PM
? You are being forced replaced out ofongoing game not named here, so you need to take a V/LA here? This looks like an excuse to me. If you don't want to play then replace out. Do not stall this game out.#freeShotty-
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In post 271, Thestatusquo wrote:
Because UT is doing a thing. I don't want him to stop doing the thing. If I divulge what thing he is doing he will stop doing it. This is pretty basic.
I'm picking up what you are putting down, but why say anything at all?#freeShotty-
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In post 279, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:This keeping up business is hard!
Will try to read this game tomorrow and do things.
to be fair TSQ and I make up about half of the posts.#freeShotty-
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In post 291, implosion wrote:In post 215, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 137, implosion wrote:But that's not too surprising with this playerlist, especially given that I can see either kmd or snarky as scum (I think creature is town).
Yeah, you need to explain these KMD and Snarky reads in full. Expecially Snarky given his only post was a clear RVS vote at 12 when you made this assertion. I’d like to understand how that single post with no reaction to anything after gave you a fairly substantial scum read on him.
I wasn't intending to say that I had scumreads on them here; I was intending to say that it wasn't necessarily true that someone was bussing if Katsuki was scum.
Had 5 minutes before class to catch up and respond to this, will give meta and respond to anything else I missed after class.
"If Kat WAS scum", now I may be reading into this too much, but my gut twisted when I saw this.
Why are you assuming Kat is town? Why use "was" and not "is". What do know that I don't?#freeShotty-
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In post 321, implosion wrote:He said he has investigative results.
There's no real reason to elaborate beyond that.
He kind of said that and saod he had other results too.#freeShotty-
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In post 312, kagesong wrote:In post 309, SnarkySnowman wrote:And you're claiming an investigative role because you have a town result?
I obviously now have multiple reasons to claim, yes. My play would look much worse if I did not, and likely get Shea and I both mislynched.
Maybe I read this wrong then. I thought you meant you had multiple results to reveal.#freeShotty-
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In post 335, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 328, Lowell wrote:Well then allow me to improve the level of their play. Fearless and hyperaggressive is the only right way to play town.
would you use either of these words to describe your play thus far?
I know I wouldn't
Lowell is someone to really look at today.#freeShotty-
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In post 337, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't want to harp on it too much because it might be just a theory point, but not only has lowell in my opinion been fearful and not even a little bit aggressive, he's been subtly taking pot shots at anyone whose play I WOULD describe using those words.
But I really need to gather my thoughts about today before I make another post. I have a lot that I think I want to talk about.
Lowell has 15 posts, none of which does he type more than 5 sentences.#freeShotty-
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In post 340, Untrod Tripod wrote:
why on earth would you do this given that shea was in absolutely no danger of being lynched?
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In post 261, Lowell wrote:Oh damn, VOTE: creature is scum.
Everything about 234 rubs me the wrong way. He criticizes every vote on the wagon (lazy, opportunistic, etc.) without actually saying what's wrong with the lynch. He doesn't offer an alternative vote, he just calls the wagon (in so many words) itself scummy. He's trying to distance himself from this wagon without offering anything substantial to get himself in trouble. If kats flips town he's my #1 suspect.
I really don't like this post. It is after the hammer and he seriously votes for creature. He was paying no attention and was just trying to fake it through.
VOTE: Lowell
I'm ok with parking my vote here for now.
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UT wrote:SS I'm less sure of because him asking reads as fishing to me
This.#freeShotty-
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In post 346, Thestatusquo wrote:I think I prefer SS to lowell.
Can we not do this again, though. We have a million things to discuss again, can we not lynch 5 days into day again?
Do you think that town players can have a "oh shit day's about to end and I've done nothing"? Moment?
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In post 349, Lowell wrote:@tsq- I don't, actually. Town have "meh, oops, missed that one, guess I'll catch up tomorrow" moments. Or a "well I wasn't very helpful today, but I won't post at the last minute to confuse everyone" moments. Been there plenty.
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townvibes from shotty. This is almost entirely meta. He was scum in one of my games recently and in this he seems... happier, sort of.
Buddying me won't make me lower myFoS#freeShotty-
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In post 351, Lowell wrote:Heh, clever.
No, I'm saying you jumped on someone else's attack on me, opportunistically.
Wow this is scummy.
reVOTE: lowell even more ok with this now.#freeShotty-
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In post 356, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 352, drmyshottyizsik wrote:In post 349, Lowell wrote:@tsq- I don't, actually. Town have "meh, oops, missed that one, guess I'll catch up tomorrow" moments. Or a "well I wasn't very helpful today, but I won't post at the last minute to confuse everyone" moments. Been there plenty.
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townvibes from shotty. This is almost entirely meta. He was scum in one of my games recently and in this he seems... happier, sort of.
Buddying me won't make me lower myFoS
Is that game recent? Or is it ongoing or what?
Ongoing#freeShotty-
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In post 358, Thestatusquo wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30908
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I think saying you have a read based on someone being scum in an ongoing game is on the wrong side of the don't talk about ongoing games rule.
I already reported it.#freeShotty