Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)
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Aside from transcend who I mislynched and lost the game when I played with (whoops) and occasionally noticing drmy in discussion forums this is my first time with all of you.
Nice to meet you all!
VOTE: Lowell-
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My scumgames came in a string of 4 when I just joined the forum, all of them in non-newbie games when I was still a very new player.In post 14, inspectorscout wrote:O lol oke he was meming rip
So rqs: how many games did u guys play as mafia so far
Lynched day 1 in all 4, of course-
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Simply put scum generally don't play with balls like this. Actually sorting this out so early is a mess because I have to consider ego and because town lying for reactions is hard to tell apart from scum lying for malicious purposes.
drmy's jump on is pretty shit though.-
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Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.In post 64, Dunnstral wrote:and the other one appears to be a guy anyway-
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Zach you've been here and involved for pretty much the whole day can you actually go into your thought processes a bit?
If you're town then 'joking' here when the conversation is getting serious is being unnecessarily obstructive, though it does read as an excuse tbh.-
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This is bullshit.In post 96, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm not being obstructive, there's nothing going on. This is going to be a long day anyway.-
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Eh, I think I actually am weird in how emotionally detached I play. No normal person would have actually townread dunn in my position and tried to objectively look at the people NOT voting or being nice.
I am somewhat serious in that I genuinely don't care if I were to get mislynched in a day 1 speedwagon because I wouldn't consider it my fault at all, and it'd probably do me a favour rather than playing with than a playerlist that would do that.
LAMIST is either BS or pretty poor analysis because as far as I know you can call anything that looks town LAMIST and say it's scummy for that.-
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My mind went to the worst case scenario, I was bitter and spiteful. I had to try to be stoic and look at at look for some optimism at that point.In post 113, JarJarDrinks wrote:
That's not at all what u said though. You said the fast wagon has value. As in: it would be somewhat beneficial for town.In post 112, Raskolnikov wrote:I am somewhat serious in that I genuinely don't care if I were to get mislynched in a day 1 speedwagon because I wouldn't consider it my fault at all, and it'd probably do me a favour rather than playing with than a playerlist that would do that.
Now you're changing the reasoning to: spite/bitterness.
This looks contrived.
And the truth is technically my reads are best on people who are critiquing me personally in-depth.
People reading one another I don't know the objective truth and have to judge their perspective on what I think is reasonable and I often don't know whether they're right/wrong because I'm second guess my own read and view there. With this since I know the answers and know myself I can actually try to judge if people are being genuine or not in their details far more easily because there aren't those unknowns.
Even if I do get lynched I think I'll leave behind pretty accurate reads if it comes to it, and with that though I can stomach this wagon more easily. I was trying to convince myself of what I said as much as anything when I had said it.-
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I don't know, he felt more oblivious than anything else. With age/post count I can see him posting innocently there.
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Whether you're scum or town your posts are objectively anti-town for constantly being half-serious and often about irrelevant shit.
I think at this point continuing and antagonising people after multiple people have pointed it out, rather than trying to cooperate is scummy because clear communication should be your goal as town and hiding in vagueness reduces your accountability.-
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He wasn't joking. Zach was casting shade on dunn in a vague way for moving his vote there and jarjar said it wasn't an actual scummy thing that zach was pointing out.In post 133, Trivium wrote:
I'm not sure, I'm not very good at gauging such things, but I believe Jar was joking. If you're scum, keep overreacting to jokes.In post 130, Zachstralkita wrote:that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts-
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Can you distinguish a reaction test here from actually developing reads based on new information? Are you saying not enough happened there which could actually change or create a read?In post 147, Zachstralkita wrote:hmm let me go into depth here well Dunn's entire tone has struck me as nonsensical, he votes Raskol, says he has reasoning, then unvotes him, so it was a reaction test, and through the very short periodthatwas going on you determine Raskolnikov town and drmy scum for his hopping on the wagon when drmy's tone was in fact genuine imo, then you vote me for clearly joking and people actually BELIEVE YOU
Do you think dunn is going around yolo trying to force a mislynch 24 hours into the game? How is this a reasonable conclusion?In post 147, Zachstralkita wrote:Dunn knows he obviously cant lynch a complete lurker and actually get it so he wants to go for someone in-thread thats why he mentioned blueyoshi out of the blue and said drmy was scummy earlier, and of course he says I'm scum-
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Mmm, I have to go bed too now. Today's set a personal record for the fastest time a game's gotten interesting.
FYI I should pop on tomorrow morning but I'll be busy saturday and come back sunday afternoon.-
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Alright.
Jarjar interaction with me reads more misunderstanding than scum making things up. Fairly reasonable in his approach and asking me relevant questions plus I like his 128 164 to zach.
Weak TR on scout. I like the way he comes off and his reads are okay for someone admitting they don't have much. The focus on setup analysis and pr spec is concerning but him wanting to wait for the nulls to come in before going too hard is valid.
Transcend's pretty null for now.
I see what people are saying on yoshi triv but it doesn't feel like enough either way to be confident in yet. I do want triv to give reads/explanations considering he's read the game, been here and voted.
Nothing changed on dunn zach read and I probably was overreacting on dr but I still somewhat dislike it.
Tommy's vote is incredibly shallow and if I was going V/LA without having read the thread I probably would NOT vote the leading wagon before doing so.-
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I would ordinarily buy this but he RVS'd leading wagon and his post indicated he's read at least some of the game.In post 221, Transcend wrote:I'm 90% sure Tommy just RVS'd even though we've escaped that phase.
From experience, I find it hard to get 1 on 1 interactions with people as schedules we have with our real lives conflict with each others'. By 1 on 1 interactions I don't mean interactions that are done over the course of a couple of days, I mean interactions that are made within seconds of each other.
Overall it looks like garbage especially as he leaves to vla.-
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Wagon on me is (3) but has has lowell which was an RVS, dunn would be at (3) with tommy though the vote doesn't seem to have counted.In post 227, Transcend wrote:I actually don't find his vote suspicious, maybe at most coincidental. Also, looking at the vote log, Rask was the leading bw. Not defending this guy per se, just not getting the suspicion given to him because it all reads null to me.
I get where you're coming from but I just don't think he did that without reading, I think it's far more likely he read at least a bit to say that and saw their interaction rather than just scan the playerlist. And with any level of reading that vote (which would be 3rd) with that reasoning as he leaves is sus.-
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Okay I don't like yoshi's 240.
Don't understand the zach townread and the explanation given is shallow.
I think he's saying he thinks zach was not over-defensive vs dunn and so he townreads the response. Not-overdefensive = townread isn't strong reasoning to begin with but in this case I wouldn't even agree with the premise.Troll play is hard to read sometimes but Zach's looks rather town, seeing as he didn't jump too hard on his own defense when Dunn started pressuring him.
What I saw was zach voting dunn after dunn pointed out zach's vote was scummy (as opposed to asking why/engaging there), engagement with dunn that's half-serious and pretty much constantly throwing shade on him with the same style but not really committing.
If zach is town than this is just stylistic as opposed to intentionally obstructive/avoidant/non-committal, and I could buy townreading zach for something else, but saying you liked THIS as a response to pressure and townreading for it I don't understand.
Transcend perspective's okay-ish. 241 his thinking about the triv and transcend in terms of lynching as opposed to voting and wagoning at this early point in the game is weird, especially given the tiny amount of info we have now and all the people who haven't been involved yet.
Taken as a whole he's actually not THAT bad because he's more or less consistent with his shallow reasoning (which sounds counter-intuitive but is a pain to explain fully).-
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You play like obvscum. You don't have enough to look at for me to analyse any deeper atm.In post 323, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
Where is this coming from? Even off a skim?In post 318, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm back.
Just from the skim I'm voting this, going to proper catchup soon.
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Okay, that makes a lot more sense.In post 392, Tommy wrote:I had about twenty minutes to skim the thread. I was so sure at that point that Dunn and Zach were the same person that I pretty much skipped their interactions. 'This guy's filling up pages arguing with himself,' I thought. I probably shouldn't have tried to vote. I was sort of thinking that an uninformed vote is better than none.-
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Commented earlier in 321. Drmy is worse but I don't mind having a yoshi wagon at this point.In post 373, Trivium wrote:I would however like some commentary along with this vote. Are you just agreeing, or what exactly is going on here?
Since then the complete rolling-over/appeasement in 371 is concerning, and considering he scumreads you and you're voting him I'd expect him to be less passive here and at least analyse that.-
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He's been popping in the whole game throwing shade at people and asking lazy questions.In post 409, Transcend wrote:So I iso'd literally all of Shotty's posts, and you think this is the scummiest candidate? Tell me something I'm missing if you think this slot is scummy. It just looks like you're being opportunistic towards this guy. And then your vote on Blue Yoshi is also ick.
Mostly from a motivational standpoint I see him intentionally being useless/active lurking; no followup on the questions or conclusions drawn or really any pushing.
No evidence to suggest he's figuring the game out and with half of his questions being on fluff and dumb technical-details I really doubt it's a priority either.-
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Okay, this better though for actually outlining his stance a bit.In post 412, drmyshottyizsik wrote:That's not really my play style. I prefer sitting back a tad and observing the machine on a sociological plane. I'll get there. So far I don't have any super strong scum reads, and I don't want to get in the way of them developing.-
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You're misunderstanding me if you think him being my top scumread means I'm super confident on him and would definitely lynch him this moment.
The inactivity makes it really difficult to be certain and as of now I really just want to pressure people and get something actually substantial!-
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I said it was a bad vote based on shallow reasoning. I don't like how you make it out as though that's completely unsubstantial.In post 419, Transcend wrote:Okay, I did the same thing. I pressured him for being inactive and got nothing out of it. But you're saying he's your top scumread just for being inactive. And I brought up that you said his vote on Zach was bad, and you've said nothing about that.
I'm not entirely sure how I would explain why pointing out that something isn't a scumclaim, isn't a scumclaim, and that voting off of it is weak.
Most of it is I just don't think that's solid reasoning beyond maybe a bit self conscious because scum are marginally more likely to notice that and saying it's a straight up scumclaim is an exaggeration.
Part of it is that zach did things which I actually saw as scummy (already went over) and so drmy not saying anything there but tuning into what feels more like a technical/simple thing here felt like he just wanted a reason to hop on as the wagon was rolling at that point.
Him coming along here and saying he doesn't really have scumreads and implying that vote which he's still using there isn't serious does make it better though. The tone he's been using has come off as serious and I thought he was pretending to be involved with these questions but the straightforwardness and admittance here ends that.-
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In post 425, Transcend wrote:Here, you also disliked drmy's jump on your OWN BANDWAGON was bad. But nope, gotta lynch him cause he's lurking!!!
Eat rope imo.In post 418, Raskolnikov wrote:You're misunderstanding me if you think him being my top scumread means I'm super confident on him and would definitely lynch him this moment.
The inactivity makes it really difficult to be certain and as of now I really just want to pressure people and get something actually substantial!-
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Interesting your mindset is so into lynching at this point as opposed to wagoning and applying pressure, especially given the current gamestate.In post 425, Transcend wrote: Here, you also disliked drmy's jump on your OWN BANDWAGON was bad. But nope, gotta lynch him cause he's lurking!!!
Eat rope imo.-
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lol.In post 430, inspectorscout wrote:currently im thinking about jarjar, trivium and one of the above kiddos that are fighting, raskol/transcend. not sure which one, though. maybe both and its a cool scum on scum fight-
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In post 435, Transcend wrote:You can't say that. I've pressured/wagoned people this game. I'm just in a more aggressive mood right now so my tunnel on you is more harsh as opposed to others.In post 432, Raskolnikov wrote:Not what you said but in how you're choosing to interpret me here.-
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You misunderstood me for like the third time in a row.
I'm not saying you're that lynch happy (although maybe?) in-of-itself, I'm saying you assuming that I was lynch-happy and not even considering pressure motivation was weird.-
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