Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

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I'm actually not sure I wanna lynch bacde today. That's why I want his claim so I can evaluate better.

IDK if tommy was actually bussing cause it could have been him jumping on an opportunity. It was very similiar to how he jumped on Kush for the quickhammer.

If bacde can give a good explaination for his guarantee comment then maybe I'll reconsider. But I really don't see anything protown about that comment. Like the only reason he makes that comment is cause he doesn't want people townreading Triv. Which makes no sense cause it's not like he was scumreading triv.

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u shouldn't have softclaimed if you didn't want to get pressured cause of it. U say ur experienced right? How should a softclaim be treated?

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I'm cool w/ a massclaim. We want Lowells claim anyway since he managed to avoid it @ L-1. Town is already down 2 PRs.

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a good player would generally make a mental note of a soft and store it for later in their databanks, NOT PUSH ON IT IF THEY THINK THERE IS ANY VALIDITY TO IT

I don't think there's any validity to it since I can't see a single pro-town reason for posting it.

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a good player would generally make a mental note of a soft and store it for later in their databanks, NOT PUSH ON IT IF THEY THINK THERE IS ANY VALIDITY TO IT

I don't think there's any validity to it since I can't see a single pro-town reason for posting it.

Also if you know for a fact that Rask didn't check triv then u should be townreading the fuck out of me cause rask was townreading me on day 2 pretty hard. Check his day 2 ISO and tell me who else he would have had a greencheck on?

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a good player would generally make a mental note of a soft and store it for later in their databanks, NOT PUSH ON IT IF THEY THINK THERE IS ANY VALIDITY TO IT

I don't think there's any validity to it since I can't see a single pro-town reason for posting it.

What.
If softclaim wasnt pro-town it wasnt even a goddamn thing. In some cases its bad, but i dont think bacde is that stupid. and as a maf its stupid to sofclaim because it can easily be counterclaimed.

I'm specifically saying that in this case it's bad. Not that every softclaim is bad.

But saying that a good player should make a mental note and store it for later is horseshit. That's true of breadcrumbs that maybe not everyone picked up. Softclaims should ALWAYS be acknowledged.

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ambivalent about the massclaim btw.

Well if u just want bacde's claim, u can help run him up to L-1.

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I'm sure if you just request his claim, that'd be enough since me and Zach both want it also.

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He said he would @ L-1. I get nervous of L-1 lolhammers @ this point in the game. Which is why I said to just ask him for it.

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How does Lowell just show up and not say a single word about bacde?

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As the field narrows it's normal to grow more suspicious. Really what's happening is a 180 on jarjar. I used to consider him scum. Now I very much do not. So the scum has to be somewhere.

dude u haven't been scumreading me since forever.

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Remember the "Am I being played?" post?

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scout is a now a solid townread of mine because of how Tommy joined that wagon.

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read Tommys ISO. There's no chance scout is his scumbuddy.

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And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

That's not scum talking about scum

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JarJar, can you please pull your points against Scout together into one handy guide, with quotes?

He was townreading scout before this. He's trying to make give him a reason to vote scout.

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I think Lowell is more likely scum then Alpaca.

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wow I just noticed that Tommy's vote for scout happened after me/triv/Zach switched to Lowell.

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And that was after Tommy was townreading scout most of the game. Lowell is scum fo' sho'

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oh maybe it wasn't. Someone quoted the VC. rereading.

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regardless of who we lynch, this day doesn't end w/o bacde claiming.

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unfucking vote please. If Bacde is scum and Lowell is town then bacde quickhammers cause he's gonna get lynched next day regardless.

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I want Lowell to claim and I want Bacde to claim.

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dude I'll put bacde on the backburner and hammer if your next post isn't a claim

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Claiming in this situation is stupid and will always be stupid

claiming in what situation?

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unfucking vote please. If Bacde is scum and Lowell is town then bacde quickhammers cause he's gonna get lynched next day regardless.

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prod for alpaca?

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and probably goes w/o saying but bacde and alpaca should both claim whenever they show up.

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We shouldn't be at LYLO and we aren't mass claiming and I'm not at L-1, so I'm not claiming. If you really want to get upset with me and run me up to L-1 then do it

can we just get 2 more votes on him please?

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How can it hurt though? Just run him to L-1 and get his claim and then we move back to Lowel/alpaca (Unless his claim is THAT bad).

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Although we run the same risk of him getting quick-hammered if he's town and one of those other 2 are scum.

Which is why he should claim w/o needing to get to L-1. If he's town, then he's being really stupid w/ this.

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And these just look like stalling tactics. He needs specific actions to take place before he will claim? WTF is the point of people actually bold-voting instead of FOSing?

And it's not like he's here interacting w/ us, he shows up for a few minutes @ a clip, posts some garbage and then disappears for 10 hours. It's pure stalling.

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I'm totally agreeing w/ you that if Lowell/alpaca/bacde are the next 3 lynches then town wins. But I see no reason to not use the day to figure out as much shit as possible.

I can't think of a single pro-town reason for bacde to not claim but I can think of alot pro-scum reasons.

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would you be willing to mass to get his claim then?

IDK why he thinks a massclaim would be worth it if he's town. But of the people in the fake town-bloc, I think I'M the only person he's scumreading and I'd rather not have a real-PR claim.

So maybe he'll acquiesce to claiming if it's just ME that claims along w/ him. So to put him on the spot, I'll go ahead:

VT

I see no reason for Zach/trans/scout to claim and if badce townreads them, he should agree.

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i just want lowell or alpaca hanged because they are my final 2 mafia picks.

I think it's just one of them and bacde.

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meh, might as well @ this point but bacde should claim WITH RESULTS before scout/Zach does.

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cause like lets say scout is like: I'm a JK and targeted player X.

bacde can be like: oh I saw that scout targeted X last night.

If he's scum, we're forcing him to come up 3 nights worth of fake results.

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Is it LYLO tomorrow if we ML?

yeah assuming it's 5/2 rn then a mislynch + NK means we're @ 3/2.

Even if the NK is stopped, it's 4/2 and a mislynch loses. We can no-vote there though.

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@zach

Well all that's left to claim is you and scout and scout already agreed. Stop giving him excuses. If he shows up and doesn't claim then we take it as a scumclaim.

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Omg claim already

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why did you track your scout who's been your #1 townread all game?

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and already claimed

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Hmm rask checking me makes sense since we had that fiasco d1. He then called me obv town d2. I think i buy it.

There's nothing to buy. There was no doubt that bacde is either a town tracker or scum has a tracker. The whole reason this started is cause I think that Rask was killed because scum knew he was a PR.

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why did you track your scout who's been your #1 townread all game?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this pretty much make bacde confirmed scum? Is there any reason that a tracker would target his top townread?

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Dont start being ridiculous zach. Who cares if he also tracked his top scumread?

Please explain to me what reason as a townie he could have had for tracking scout on day 2.

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Correct ME if I'm wrong, but aren't you only saying that because if scout claims what I think he's going to claim and only one of Alpaca/Lowell is scum that makes you the last scum?

aren't I only saying what? That Bacde is scum? Uh, that's what I've been saying forever.

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Like obviously scout targeted you day 2. Bacde isn't gonna lie about that. If he's scum then scum obviously has a tracker. Scout is clearly town.

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But Bacde is most certainly not lying because of the scout confirm which Bacde would have no way to make up.

He's mafia tracker yo.

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@zach, if either lowell or alpaca are town then you have to scumread either me or bacde.

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bacde should target lowell tonight regardless of what alpaca flips as.

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i guess both "PR"s should

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BP, JK, Tracker seems a little unbalanced, no?

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why did you track your scout who's been your #1 townread all game?

because I'm wise to the fact I'm not always correct

if u believe this then u guys are terrible.

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actually if alpaca flips red then bacde should track me.

Cause he can't lie about me since town has a mislynch.

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actually if scout is JKing lowell then there's no reason for bacde to track him tonight I think.

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yeah if alpaca is green then bacde should track either me or zach. (since he's already confirmed trans)

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(since he's already confirmed trans)

because if rask had a red check on trans, we'd know.

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So Lowell, ur theory is that Scout is a mafia PR?

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What would he be that could have targeted Zach?

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Like if he's a RBer then why wouldn't he target bacde?

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But the question of why scum didn't kill scout after seeing that he is a PR is a good one.

pedit: yeah

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Maybe it's you

Transcend is confirmed town (Unless bacde is his scumbuddy). We know that rask got a greencheck on him.

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If alpaca flips scum then I see no way that scout can be scum as well.

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just in case u guys don't realize:

NOBODY CAST A VOTE

If 1 townie votes wrong, then scum can vote twice to quickhammer and end the game.

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We basically need bacde to give us results before we can proceed.

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we absolutely aren't lynching lowell today. We have 2 PRs that didn't get killed last night. And 4 PRs overall.

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This would bring me to the team lowell-transcend or bacde-jarjar.

First one would mean town has a cop, JK, BP, tracker. Second one I obviously know isn't true. Which I believe means scout is scum.

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I guess bacde/trans can be a team. Trans is only confirmed cause bacde told us that rask targeted him.

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scout, you say u expected to die. And you told the town u were jailing lowell but you jailed me instead.

You didnt think that you'd be totally screwing up the towns information?

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Dude I've been trying to get bacde lynched since day 1. You really think I'm his scumbuddy?

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I'm having trouble thinking of a reason that scum bacde clears me here.

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Like why wouldn't bacde just say he tracked zach?

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Ok bacde saying you want to not lynch scout is shifty as fuck. He should be confirmed scum to u.

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Like bacde. please name a scumteam that doesn't involve scout.

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There's no way FROM MY POINT OF VIEW it can be a JarJar/Lowell team.

Not just your PoV. This can't be a team no matter what.


pedit: yeah for that reason

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Like bacde. please name a scumteam that doesn't involve scout.

trans/lowell

i see it as possible taking into account how they have been behaving this game

I thought you saw rask check trans on n1. Rask called trans obvtown. So your theory is hinging on the fact that trans is godfather?

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yeah bacde is definitely the lynch today. We just need to come up w/ a plan for who to tell scout to jail.

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Like bacde. please name a scumteam that doesn't involve scout.

trans/lowell

i see it as possible taking into account how they have been behaving this game

I thought you saw rask check trans on n1. Rask called trans obvtown. So your theory is hinging on the fact that trans is godfather?

Do you think thats really so crazy?

And that's not even taking into account the fact that town was given 4 PRs.

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yeah trans, I was about to post all that.

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except what if scout is scum and NKs?

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Well this is game over so it doesn't matter

Honestly I still think scum is Transcend/Lowell but scout/Jarjar is also possible

Y not scout/lowell?

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SCOUT JARJAR DUDE WTF DID YOU TAKE

Ive been hating jarjar since D1 and vica versa we would be the worst scum ever

except that u just named jarjar/bacde as the scum team and we've been hating on each other just as much if not moreso than u and me.

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So you think me and scout are scum together?

Seems very possible.

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/agree

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oh good I'm going to get to be the tiebreaking vote! huzzah!

jarjar and trans, prepare to suck up to someone who has been wrong all game!

This post is pretty adorable Lowell.

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So pretty sure there's no way I vote anyone besides Lowell. But I'll wait till everyone gets here.

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At any rate it's obviously trans. that wasn't a troll, that was an 'oops I forgot the name of my partner.'

Are you saying that you think trans made that post because he believed he had just won the game?

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I'm here, catching up

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if JJD is scum then i'm NEVER backing away from my initial reads EVER again. i did that in my first newbie game.

This is how I feel about scout right now.

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@jarjar if i put trans at L-1, would you hammer? A yes or a no suffices.

0% chance I cast a vote for trans.

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@jarjar if i put trans at L-1, would you hammer? A yes or a no suffices.

0% chance I cast a vote for trans.

First off, I've townread trans most of the game.

Second, as you said, I'm confirmed to you so you'd jail trans tonight. Which means we'd still win if trans is scum.

The only person I'd consider voting besides Lowell is you. But I doubt I would. Basically I want Trans to tell me that I'm being paranoid.

pedit: k, that's what I'm looking for

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k, let's do this

VOTE: lowell

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and don't u fucking troll me if ur town.

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or if ur scum for that matter

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not a troll?

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wait, has to be a troll cause u'd be getting jailed.

pedit: a what?

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I don't believe u.

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well played then buddy

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who did rask really target btw?

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I assume I was rolecopped?

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fwiw, u coulda killed Lowell through the JK last night and I probably hang scout.