VOTE: Jaack
I don't care if I'm OMGUS'ing. This is blasphemy!
VOTE: Jaack
My thought exactly after that vote on Psyche, also good game during itlepip's game! Never got to say that I thought you played very well!In post 91, Raskolnikov wrote:Maria what are your thoughts on this game?
But in our last game, you were both scum. XDIn post 130, gerryoat wrote:can you seriously go one game without voting me? Just one.In post 110, MariaR wrote:Ah okay that would be valid if it were true.In post 107, Raskolnikov wrote:maria youre complaining about the gamestate in an exaggerated (look at me im upset!) way
but also not doing anything that would change the gamestate or get it started
I'm not upset at all I'm lazy and board like..."Nothing is going on...shame."
To get something going I would have to give a srs vote on someone I think is scum
So lets do that
VOTE: Gerry
You don't know how she plays. This could very well come from scum MariaR.In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.
Still like my gear vote. Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
I never said I did; I know you change your game each time and I am not assuming anything about your role. I don't think; however, that townreading you so early is a good play.In post 155, MariaR wrote:You don't know how I play either Yoshi I told you I change how I play each game.In post 154, BigYoshiFan wrote:You don't know how she plays. This could very well come from scum MariaR.In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.
Still like my gear vote. Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
I haven't picked up anything since the game started. Really all I could ask is "Hey, how do you feel about this game?" but that just seems stupid and honestly, in my opinion, scummy.In post 168, Raskolnikov wrote:@BYF the only thing i get from your posts so far is some interest regarding maria but you havent talked to her or asked anything
Overall, I don't like reads being made this early in the game. Of course, you can make them, but I won't see them as very accurate. You're though, I should have asked why you had townread her. I'm sorry I have not made an effort to promote discussion within this game, I'll try to do that now. I'm busy weekends. :/In post 226, Jaack wrote:As I said before, I think gerry is a pretty good scum candidate, but right now I'm leaning yoshi as the scummiest.
I really don't like 154-he didn't even ask why I was leaning town on maria, just that I shouldn't be townreading her. 174 is another scummy looking thing. He claims neither to have seen anything noteworthy, and he doesn't show any interest in changing that. Everything from yoshi so far has either been meaningless fluff or more oriented towards shutting down discussion as opposed to promoting it.
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VOTE: BigYoshiFan
I didn't see a reason to continue with the vote, no one else had a vote on him (I think). I felt that not voting at the moment rather than voting someone with an inaccurate read is better.In post 241, Gear wrote:Yoshi, why did you unvote?
Can you explain this vibe, or is it just like... inexplainable?In post 251, ecane wrote:Kind of getting a little bit of last game scum vibe from Jaack, but right now that's all there is for me really.
I'll help with that.In post 256, Gamma Emerald wrote:I would like to retract my previous statement.
How about we get Psyche to start contributing for real?
So I gather you still have nothing useful to contribute.In post 261, Psyche wrote:you're pots calling the kettle black
Well, this isn't a troll post. Honestly I think he was open to questions the whole time.In post 266, Psyche wrote:lately i've been waiting to notice something but i'll try something else shortly
i'll make something like a map
Thanks! It is my second game and that helped boost my self esteem, but you still did not answer my question.In post 268, Raskolnikov wrote:that's a good observation from you though
Specifically here you ask for more information to carry on discussion, but overall, you're posts ask for information to carry on the discussion within this game. Not something I scumread for, but you don't seem to ask the arguably least contributing player, Psyche.In post 168, Raskolnikov wrote:@BYF the only thing i get from your posts so far is some interest regarding maria but you havent talked to her or asked anything
Why won't you place a vote on him then?In post 286, Jake from State Farm wrote:I will say based on what I've seen so far the person who I feel warrant votes on them would obviously be psyche.In post 283, BigYoshiFan wrote:Hey Jake, can I get some input from you too? Any scumreads or townreads? Anything that you can say to get the ball rolling?
I mean, he's at L-4, a vote would help while also keeping him at distance from a lynch.In post 276, MariaR wrote:Any reason you asked me? Not that I mind.In post 258, BigYoshiFan wrote:Maria, your thoughts on Psyche?
From what I can see I think at least one mafia is riding the "nothing is going on meh" wagon and is using that for lack of content the ironic thing is Psy has been here a lot more than others and still has barely anything to go off of so I wouldn't be sad to vote him but I somewhat wanna milk this deadline out until we have 2 days so just incase I'm voting.
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1. Gear's stuff seems okay even though Gear is defending me, AND Gear voted Jaack.In post 310, Jaack wrote:Now that gear has done more recently could you expand a little there?In post 279, light_ganski wrote: Gear hasn't said an awful lot really, though I'd like to know why he was interested in mine and Rask's history. Town side of null, not much else to say yet really.
As for yoshi, I didn't notice until I ISO'd him but I'd like him to elaborate on 154, why he thinks Maria looks scummy. As I've said Ive got a reasonable townread on Maria so I'd like to know what he sees as scummy in her. 171, 231 and 232 seem to be him complaining about how it's difficult to read people this early on, and whilst I understand that sentiment he must of picked up on something worth commenting on further than 'that could've come from scum Maria'. He's asked a couple of okay questions after that but overall, a weak scumread, but would need to see more to solidify that.
I thought that yoshi's comment showed very little interest into why I was townreading Maria. He wasn't making any effort to show me where I was wrong or anything. His later explination in 231 shows no indication why he thought my town read in particular was worth commenting on. It wasn't a particularly strong read, and its not until 281 that yoshi can come up with a reason why my slight-townread on maria was worth singling out, which is an explination that contradicts 231. First it was because he didn't like early reads at all, but then it's because Maria's a good player.In post 302, Gear wrote:Jaack, your comment to Yoshi "So I can't make judgements on players I've never played with before?" seems over the top to me. Yoshi telling you that Maria's play could be from scum-Maria, is just him warning you to be cautious with your read on her. What do you think was scum!Yoshi's motivation here? You also attacked Yoshi for not being interested in why you are town reading Maria, well, it seems to me that it would make more sense for you to explain why you are town-reading her, and see what Yoshi has to say, but that's just me. I'd also like to see where you think that Yoshi has been trying to shut down discussion.
It feels more like yoshi wanted to comment on Maria (who was the topic at hand) but wanted to avoid much fanfare.
Now look at yoshi's play since then. 173 simple reaffirms 154 without further explination. 174 is worthless and pretty blatantly anti-discussion. 231 is completely conciliatory to me after I started pushing him further. Note here that 173 is similarly backing away from confrontation with Maria.
In general, it feels like yoshi was trying to avoid making waves. That's why he basically conceded everything to me in 231 when I initially voted for him, and it's why he spent a good amount of time focusing on psyche recently.
But let's look at how yoshi approached the whole psyche-thing. He says psyche is 'shitposting-town" in 234, asks like 4 different people about psyche, votes for him, but never once asks psyche any questions directly. All in all, it looks like he's trying to draw attention to psyche's lack of content - which is obvious - but he's not trying to do anything about it. And then 295. I can understand trying to keep your reads close to your vest (although I don't endorse it) but the way he does it is scummy. It looks to me like he want to follow someone else's reads and logic.
All in all, yoshi looks like someone who's trying to avoid making waves. He concedes basically everything to someone else.
While I may not have come right out and said it, I did pretty heavily imply I thought gerry was reasonably scummy, just I liked gear less at the time. I liked your initial questioning of gerry (141) in regards to his reaction to Maria's vote.In post 307, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 226, Jaack wrote: you actually never said gerry was a good scum candidate and your reasons for yoshi loop like you are reaching for something. So can you go back to gerry for a second. Tell me why you think gerry could be scum.In post 153, Jaack wrote:I'm not sure I like what Maria's been doing all that much, but I don't think it's coming from scum.
Still like my gear vote.Think Jake might be on to something with gerry.
As for gerry now, I didn't like his reasoning in 280 all that much in regards to you (jake). His reasoning is vague, aside from the part about you focusing on him, which still fails to explain his initial scumread/vote on you, since it came afterwords.
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that yoshi is scum. Gerry is probably my number 2 now.
Gear's recent stuff with regards to me looks ok to me, so he's out of my scumpile for now.
This whole thing going on between Jaack and I, what are your thoughts?In post 323, Gamma Emerald wrote:I want to contribute but no one has addressed me. I am opening myself up here and now, ask me anything and I will answer. I'm tired of simply observing.
You know why? It's because it isn't all that wrong. Some of the conflict is because I think more attention should be put upon those who aren't contributing and overall some actions I did appear to him as scummy. I still feel strong for 1. Number 2 was saying that this was a small encounter for such a huge response, which seemed scummy to me. I don't think his response to 3 was one that grilled me. Sure, I admit I should have asked for why he townread Maria, it would have been a logical thing to do there, but I didn't really because I don't care. I'd like some explanation on 4, and why he thinks 154 is scummy. He's got me on number 5 though. He's right, but like him I didn't feel like he was gonna respond so I looked into getting votes on him instead. Number 6 is just a matter of opinion. Personally, I think non-contributing players should be given more attention. Now 7, I dunno... I didn't think it was conceding at first, looking at it again I really just wanted to avoid any conflict, not to mention he was right.In post 378, Jake from State Farm wrote:Yoshi completely ignored 322.
Maria and Rask. You know why? Because despite my epic grills they are still defending me, looking into the motive behind what we post and not being afraid to post everything they think about the game. My mafia game sucks, and I think scum is trying to take advantage of that.In post 398, Gamma Emerald wrote:Can you share your townreads then?
Why are you even arguing with me if you don't know who?In post 409, Jake from State Farm wrote:Wait. Who contradicted his own posts? Who didn't elaborate?In post 406, BigYoshiFan wrote:Who cares if it was directed to someone else? I found it contradictory to his posts so you're damn right I'm gonna say it! He didn't even elaborate on why I could be wrong, just ignored it because it was from me.
Okay, well regardless, if you can't tell me who I was referring to then you shouldn't even be conversing with me about it.In post 412, Jake from State Farm wrote:Im not arguing with you.
I asked you cause I'm confused because your responses don't make sense based off the actual posts
You're trying to make it confusing. When did I refuse to answer a question? I will gladly answer it. When you say that my word is not good to you anymore, I think you're trying to make it personal which is a HUGE scumtell to me.In post 467, Jake from State Farm wrote:I feel at this point you are just trying to cause confusion. You are acting confused when I have clearly and rationally explained all my thoughts and you i don't feel have done a good job with it. At one point i even asked you a clarifying question and you basically refused to answer me. i don't see that as a town motivated action.
so yes it sucks i am stucking tunneling on yet another person, I think I am tunneling in the right direction so my vote won't be coming off you anytime soon.
p.edit - No I haven't given up, i have no reason to give up. I feel pretty good I have found scum and i am hopeful people will finally open their eyes.
Why is that?
Faur enough, but what have I done to make you scumread me?In post 481, Gamma Emerald wrote:Both of you are giving me scummy vibes, butI don't think you two could be buddies with how this is going down.
So this is implying that you scumread me, or have you already declared that?In post 515, Psyche wrote:as i've already said, jack's portrayal of your play is pretty spot on, except you might be town anyway