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Still not a psycho thoughIn post 15, -Grey- wrote:
Mr. Nigma is an eccentric.In post 12, TwoFace wrote:I'm not psycho. I'm eccentric
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You can't be serious about anakin/jar jarIn post 48, JarJarDrinks wrote:Anakin ruined TPM way more than Jar Jar did.
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But he hasn't omgused everyone voting him.In post 67, Gear wrote:I've played with Keyen before, I was scum, and had a front row seat to him OMGUSing everyone who suspected him (among other things, but that's what's relevant here). I saw that from him here, and it's good enough for me for now. Now, I am voting someone new.-
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Why does it matter?In post 74, keyenpeydee wrote:Are we out of RVS?-
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There's no way you believe Keyen is town for the reason you gave since what you said happened, never actually happened.
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i'm confused by your question, because rvs wagons help with scum hunting not hinder them.In post 88, Tywin Lannister wrote:Why would you like easy RVS wagons? Do you like not having to scum hunt?
but in general though I am a tortoise, not a hare when it comes to traditional scumhunting-
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+1In post 90, Tywin Lannister wrote:Also: meta sucks. It's lazy and bad play without a clear substantial pattern over many games, and even then, any half decent player can switch things up regardless of alignment knowing so many people on these forums think meta is useful. Unless they're a robot, then anyone can easily change their meta every game.
I see people use meta constantly in this forum and ice never understood why.-
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why and why?In post 99, Gamma Emerald wrote:JJD feels like town. Gear too.-
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lol, that wasn't acting casual. that's acting excited.In post 100, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Cuz ur "wheeee" looked phony to me. Like you were purposefully trying to act casual w/ ur vote.In post 85, TwoFace wrote:How was my vote contrived? I like easy wagons especially in rvs
38 and 39 are better examples of casual-
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right, jump starting conversation helps getting people talking, when people talk they say things to help figure people out.In post 106, Tywin Lannister wrote:They may jump start conversation, but no more than anything else does-
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Yeah I could see that.
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for realz? idk how anyone can have a strong town read at this point in the game.In post 181, JarJarDrinks wrote:I have rask as a strong townread.-
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right, but if key is scum his reaction to the key wagon makes more sense from a scum buddyIn post 184, JarJarDrinks wrote:
tywin looks town to me.In post 180, TwoFace wrote:if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.-
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then obviously I would not keep an eye on him...In post 188, Gamma Emerald wrote:If key flips town?
never said I would. Also can you please not offer me advice on how to play my game. thank youIn post 189, JarJarDrinks wrote:maybe but still wouldn't scumread him based on that alone.
uhh just going to say no comment and ignore this.In post 192, keyenpeydee wrote:2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.
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I always seem to forget this.In post 202, gerryoat wrote:Just because someone votes you doesnt mean they are mafia or making up reads.-
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what are we supposed to be looking at?In post 216, Gear wrote:Or at least take a look at
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67926-
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not reallyIn post 228, keyenpeydee wrote:
OpportunisticIn post 178, TwoFace wrote:yeah key is a good lynch. I get people don't want to rush things but sometimes rushing isn't so bad. Just had a game end where we lynched someone quickly and it worked in town's favor because he was scum and it helped the PRs find the other scums-
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What's bad play? Me wanting to keep an eye on you if key flips scum but not town? Well sorry I disagree which is why I said what I said.In post 239, Tywin Lannister wrote:This is just bad play. You wouldn't keep your eye on me if Keyan flipped town? Really? Only scum know alignments, so if i were scum, wouldn't it make sense for me to not defend my scum buddy, but defend a townie wagon? I think that's common sense. What I don't like is you trying to pair me with Keyan for no reason other than me asking why the Keyan wagon got so large without any reasoning behind it. You don't seem to like that though. Why? You don't like bad wagons explained? There are plenty of things to vote Keyan for that were no apparent at that point in the game. That means those votes need explanations.
Also, you're not aggressive, just abrasive. There's a difference. You haven't added anything to the conversation that justifies it though.
Also there is no black and white with regards to what scum will do to their buddies. Some people bus, others don't. Early day 1 if a scum buddy gets into trouble it's a tough decision on what's the best way to handle it and I could totally see you as a buddy attempt to discredit the votes like you did. It's the type of defense that can be written off as a cautious townie.(for example, in the game I just finished where scum got lynched fairly early day 1, one scum flat out called the guy town.) There's no one absolute way to handle a partner getting run up.
I'm also not concerned with what you like. I call things as I see them. If that makes somebody upset/nervous/etc that's not my problem.
Also I'm not trying to pair you with anyone. You're the second person to make that mistake. Keeping an eye on somebody doesn't mean I automatically think they are scum. It just means I'll have to reread their posts to see if they make sense as a buddy. That post you made just struck me as odd.-
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Why waste time making half ass reads list? At least take the time to explain them or somethingIn post 222, keyenpeydee wrote:Spoiler: Quotes
All in All here's my reads:
Town:
Lannister
NullTown or just unsure reads:
All that isn't mentioned.
Leaning Town:
Gamma
Vijarada
Ssbm
NullScum:
Dave
TwoFace
Rasko
Leaning Scum:
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Meh that really could come from either alignment.In post 281, gerryoat wrote:In post 192, keyenpeydee wrote:2F, your reads are as shit as ever. I remember you being so aggressive and ruining town.In post 193, keyenpeydee wrote:lol yeah fine lynch me. go ahead.
idk guys, he kinda sounds like me when I'm fos'd as town and upset lol. I'm kinda hesitant to vote him based on that alone. I want to see what he 'figured out' when he gets back, though.In post 225, keyenpeydee wrote:JarJar, I still don't get why you're scum reading me. Mind to give reasons?
What I don't like is his immediate attempt to discredit me especially when we have never played a game together.
That's why I didn't really respond to him and alerted the game mod. He's modding a game I played and that's ongoing and it's kinda fucked up he resorted to that imo.-
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I keep my eye on people I'm suspicious of. I ignore people who annoy me or say stupid things, and the rest i go with the flow until I paired you because like I said that comment struck me as something I could see coming from a buddy. I've actually seen scum get caught like that before. If you aren't scum I don't see why you are so worried about it.In post 291, Tywin Lannister wrote:I think town should keep their eye on me regardless of what Keyan flips. That's my point. I also don't know why you paired me with him, except for me asking for reasons from the early voters on him. I think it's a fair question to ask.-
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I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straightIn post 294, Vijarada wrote:Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.-
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Yeah jar seems very town to me.In post 317, Raskolnikov wrote:Everyone please, I've played with jarjar multiple times and he rubs a few people the wrong way every time with his somewhat "harsh" or judgmental-looking demeanor. I don't think he's scum here.-
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This is absurd. I can't be suspicious of everyone. Townies should not be suspicious of everyone when the math proves town outnumber scum. I'm not going to be "keeping an eye on" people I don't think are scum. I honestly don't believe that you don't understand the reference.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:That doesn't seem like a townie statement. Townie TwoFace should watch everyone regardless
I obviously disagree. I may not be correct in thinking you and he could be paired, but that's what I'm currently thinking.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:Whatever Keyan flips wouldn't make me more/less town.
To let others know that I think there's a possible connection in case somewhere down the line I'm not around. I try to be transparent with my scum reads.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:What's the goal with the pairing statement?
Why do you go and lie right now? I never told anyone to watch you. Here's what I said.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:He claims he isn't telling anyone else what to do after the fact, but told 'town' to watch me in his original post.
You should be smart enough to know what mental note means. I didn't tell anyone anything and don't appreciate you and keyan twisting the truth.
I haven't flip flopped on anything actually. Please provide evidence or I'll consider this a second lie.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:It seems like he's flip flopping his stance based on whether he gets questioned on it or not.
Well then you will always find me odd because I'm a defensive/abrasive player in general. I've even got that I'm defensive in my signature cause it keeps coming up. If people say things about me that aren't true, I'm going to set the record straight. I'm also not in elementary school and know nobody else on this site is either so they don't get treated with kids gloves.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:He also gets very defensive/abrasive about it too, which seems odd to me
Shit son. You haven't even seen me close to my worst yet. Keep lying about me though. That's a good way to poke the bull.In post 345, Tywin Lannister wrote:although maybe he just likes being an Internet tough guy-
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Seems unnecessary. I was only going to focus on you if key flipped scum. Though lying is a big no no for me so you definitely dropped down a few notches.In post 350, Tywin Lannister wrote:In post 180, TwoFace wrote:if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.
Posting this for future TwoFace attack on me, since his personality makes me assume it's a guaranteed reaction.In post 325, TwoFace wrote:
I'm not telling anyone how they should read Tywin actually. I just said how I'm going to. At least get your facts straightIn post 294, Vijarada wrote:Not a fan of two-face saying that Tywin should be looked at if keyen is scum, then saying "There's no one way that buddies interact, we should just read Tywin after a scumflip to see if they make sense as buddies". That seems like a different position taken after questioning.-
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Yeah that's what I said earlier. He's making a big deal out of something so small.In post 356, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It feels like he's too concerned about TF's associationIn post 355, -Grey- wrote:
Why not?In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tywin's focus on TF doesn't feel right to me.
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Yes mental notes are usually things kept to myself but I also have to make my scum reads and potential scum reads known somehow. Being dead and not having my reads out is bad.In post 369, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So mental notes are like things that you keep to yourself though. It seems like a stretch to say that Tywin and Keyen are twisting the truth because it looks pretty easy to interpret your posts the way they seem to be doing
They did twist the truth (nice way to lighten up that they actually lied btw) cause they both accused me of telling others what to do and I didn't at all. I even quoted my post which clearly shows I wasn't telling anyone else to do anything.-
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that certainly isn't opportunistic at all. Like MAYBE you could call my early vote on you opportunistic, but not this.In post 371, keyenpeydee wrote:2F then immediately said 178 which I think is being opportunistic. Especially when he said: "I get people don't want to rush things but sometimes rushing isn't so bad. Just had a game end where we lynched someone quickly and it worked in town's favor because he was scum and it helped the PRs find the other scums" - I don't see this relation with what he said that I am a good lynch. If it's his gut, It's weak.-
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I already said that I think tywin is probably scum if you are scum, so clearly i am not going to be voting him right now. I much prefer your lynch because i feel your reaction to the quick votes on you were bad, I don't see you acting the same way in the game that gear linked, and I don't appreciate how you immediately tried to discredit me by calling me a bad player and saying I ruin games when 1. that wasn't true at all and 2. your only experience with me is ongoing which violates site rules.In post 371, keyenpeydee wrote:I need your reasons compiled on me why you think I'm a good lynch instead of Tywin who you find scummy?-
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well obviously it's weak that's why i am not pushing it right now. I think you are scummier than anyone else in the game right now so that's why i want you lynched. I don't really care if you or anyone else thinks my reasons are shitty, sometimes scum can be caught for shitty reasons.
your reactions and play don't look pro-town to me atm. i don't really see anyone making a good case on somebody else either so that leaves you as the scummiest player right now.-
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it may be offensive, but that's him defending you. He's basically saying we need to give you a break.In post 385, keyenpeydee wrote:Rasko, He's clearly not. Saying I need to be treated with kid gloves is offensive btw.-
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In post 393, JarJarDrinks wrote:though honestly Fried Oreos are so amazing that I wouldn't really care how they were made-
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you did? who attacked you?In post 395, Tywin Lannister wrote:I got attacked by TwoFace for even questioning it-
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I suck at reading. You were saying I attacked you.In post 397, TwoFace wrote:you did? who attacked you?
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why does it matter? changing votes isn't scummyIn post 395, Tywin Lannister wrote:How many vote changes has this been for Gamma?-
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And who has an issue with that?In post 405, Gamma Emerald wrote:The fact that after looking over JJD and Gear's posting my read on them changed-
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You use somebody else's meta read change your mind?In post 409, keyenpeydee wrote:
The difference is: I'm being back and forth on JarJar by this:In post 391, Raskolnikov wrote:Keyen what do you see as the difference between twoface and jarjar that made you decide on twoface?
Which basically made me rethink that maybe JarJar could be possible town, just harsh and aggressive or maybe that you two are scum buddies. So, well, I decided to go on 2F first.In post 317, Raskolnikov wrote:Everyone please, I've played with jarjar multiple times and he rubs a few people the wrong way every time with his somewhat "harsh" or judgmental-looking demeanor. I don't think he's scum here.-
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