Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.
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And the second question?In post 18, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Nah I think your voting me cause its RVS XDIn post 17, Human Sequencer wrote:@grey I have to strain my eyes to read the text on mafBlack. Black themes have always made it difficult for me.
@naomi Is that why you think I'm voting you?
Do you think there could be any reason for me to scumread you?nah-
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I don't have a bomb to drop. I'm just curious as to why you waited until prompted again to answer my second question, instead of just saying you didn't think I had any reason. Especially as somebody who is claiming to be playing very openly this game.
Gamma, what did you mean by 21? What were you trying to point out?nah-
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Naomi hasn't been playing for four years. She took a long hiatus. This is the game she was referring to.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68980
You are probably town.nah-
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Gamma's reading scummy and Asphodel's opening post reads pretty horrible but I'll give asphodel some more time. The fact asphodel pretty much said 'Hey guys, if I bus my partner I'm town!' means any scum wagons they happen to be on are wifomy as fuck and NAI at best, remember this for later.
Grey reads kinda town.
VOTE: Gamma
I initially took Gamma's misunderstanding of Naomi and I's game history as misguided town, but it didn't hold up on closer inspection, and what he has posted since has just looked heaps worse. I'll make a case when it's relevant.Banana Man wrote:Why would town want less time?
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Also I know you're not reading Gamma town now, but why were you in the first place and what made you change your mind?
15 days is plenty of time. You can ask TwoFace and Naomi about the shitshow that was Mini 1848 and how that dragged to deadline D1 in a mess which promoted town apathy, or you could also read Newbie 1744 easily found on my wiki in which town self-destructed D1 by running around in circles with like three wagons all on town, ending up lynching a PR. I believe overly long day phases are anti-town. You might not agree, but it's NAI at best as I have pushed the same agenda in most of my games since, and I think I did the same in Mini 1848 and it got me scumread.
Banana man, why are you excited for this game in particular?
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Nah.Ircher wrote:I think the Gamma case is relevant right now. Now, please kindly share w/ the rest of the game as I don't see it.
Yeah, but why do deadline lynch scrambles happen? Not because the game's day phase was too short, but because town was inactive and stagnated for the whole time.Ircher wrote:Pedit: It's neutral at worse, pro-town at best. Yes, stagnation is a problem and why deadlines exist, but a bigger problem imo are deadline lynch scrambles. You never know until that point, but I'd say it's better safe than sorry.nah-
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I called Asphodel Banana man in my post intentionally to see if he'd be more likely to miss it.
If Asphodel truly was 'really excited' to play this game, he would have read my post and realized it was directed to him and responded. Scum don't need to read the thread as intently, they already know everybody's alignment so legitimate scumhunting through posts isn't important to them.
Asphodel could have easily done a quick ctrl-f of his name and responded to whatever he came across.
I think Asphodel truly is 'really excited' to play this game, but I think it's because he finally rolled scum. Gonna have to put that Gamma wagon on hold, along with properly sorting Ircher for now.
Grey is still probably town.
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I know you're not calling me scum. You're calling me a bad townie, implying that my reads are bad and that I don't know what I'm doing. Which is interesting, considering I'm scumreading you for reasons I clearly have and simply haven't posted yet.
Even if you're town, you can't know if my read on you is bad because I haven't posted it yet. How am I a 'bad townie'? It could be read as scum scared of a competent townie trying to discredit their reads early on.nah-
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Did you literally just softclaim page 7 of day 1?
Should I just make my first post in every mini 'Don't fucking softclaim'?
>inb4 I'm called scum for rolefishing
Look at that post and tell me that isn't a softclaim, it's so obvious it hurts.
I could be missing something obvious about the setup here, which is what Gamma seems to be implying. If so, would you care sharing that?
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Remember when I said I was hoping to see how Ircher responded to the Gamma wagon? I can't do that without a Gamma wagon. Of course I'm still trying to sort Ircher, the aside was just me addressing that.nah-
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Yes Grey, I see your point, but I'm still trying to split the difference between badIrcher and scumIrcher. Leaning towards badIrcher atm.
Gamma looks worse and worse. He doesn't even address my concerns in his follow up posts, only calls the two inactives to action. I would assume that's to drag heat off of him.nah-
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This. This is a good post.
Alisae is probably town. You're on the wrong trail, Grey.
Spoiler: Quoting Rainbowdash
I take it you're referring to 92? Bad town bleeds bad town throughout the thread. It's easy to find bad town if you have enough content, and a large amount of mislynches D1 are on bad town. Therefore, with more content from Ircher, telling the difference between badIrcher and scumIrcher will be easy, because badIrcher will be noticable from a mile away.
I don't care what town should do when they see a softclaim. I'm sick of seeing them at this point because it looks like a lot of town players read getting a power role as a 'Get Out Of Scumread Free' card and it pisses me off. If Gamma really is a PR and really is town he should be ashamed of his play. You can refer to Naomi and Twoface for information on how I react to softclaims and how irate they make me. Currently trying to sort whether Rainbowdashs' push on me comes from scum or town. Probably town.
By the way, I doubt Ircher is scum based on what he's posted in my absence.
All alone is probably town.
Unsure on Gin. I don't like a lot of his posts. Kinda scummish, kinda bad towny.
I have no idea how the alisae wagon is a thing. They're town. Grey, I trust you (for now). Why do you scumread Alisae?nah-
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Writing up my information on Gamma tonight, unless I pass out from work exhaustion.
Naomi's 411 is valid, although not quite as damning as she makes it out to be. Worth looking into as supporting evidence later.
Sorry TwoFace, All Alone is probably town.nah-
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108 - In this post, All Alone makes a valid point on the mindset townies are usually in, and how Gamma's actions do not fit in with that mindset. He also votes Gamma, which is a good thing because Gamma is a pretty high scumread in my opinion. Active, genuine scumhunting.
195 - In this post, All Alone makes some valid points on Asphodel's interactions with Gamma and Ircher, and a contradiction of motive that Asphodel displayed. Active, genuine scumhunting.
422 - In this post, All Alone replies favourably to the response of a question he posed Gin earlier. The question indicates that All Alone cares about Gin's reads, and was genuinely trying to solve Gin's slot. His answer reads as a logical townie backing off from a push he could have easily made, but doesn't make logical sense to him. There's no scum motivation for backing off, or asking the question int the first place. The scum motivation is to just press Gin with whatever conditional scumread he may have had. He then goes on to make a misguided push on Alisae, based on a slightly botched meta read. Active, genuine scumhunting.nah-
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108 - In this post, All Alone makes a valid point on the mindset townies are usually in, and how Gamma's actions do not fit in with that mindset. He also votes Gamma, which is a good thing because Gamma is a pretty high scumread in my opinion. Active, genuine scumhunting.
195 - In this post, All Alone makes some valid points on Asphodel's interactions with Gamma and Ircher, and a contradiction of motive that Asphodel displayed. Active, genuine scumhunting.
422 - In this post, All Alone replies favourably to the response of a question he posed Gin earlier. The question indicates that All Alone cares about Gin's reads, and was genuinely trying to solve Gin's slot. His answer reads as a logical townie backing off from a push he could have easily made, but doesn't make logical sense to him. There's no scum motivation for backing off, or asking the question int the first place. The scum motivation is to just press Gin with whatever conditional scumread he may have had. He then goes on to make a misguided push on Alisae, based on a slightly botched meta read. Active, genuine scumhunting.
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@modI would appreciate it if you would delete the above post, and edit out this part of this one in the name of thread readability. I understand if you won't, though.nah-
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@Gin I don't think you're bad townie at all, I think you might be scum.
I was trying to see how you'd react to my accusations of your play. Because of your emotional reaction to Alisae, I assumed you would be the kind of person who is easily irritable. By being dismissive of you and your play, I was hoping to entice an emotional reaction out of you-- Something I believe would be more realistic if you were town, as opposed to scum who wouldn't really mind being called a bad townie.
I read 465 as 'How do I get a townread from you?'.
In the end, I didn't get much out of it and you sit as a scumlean. I still think your reaction was definitely suspicious, though. Based on my interpretation of your personality I believe you'd be a lot more defensive of your own play in that situation if you were town.
I don't buy in to the Naomi scumslip, but it might be helpful supporting evidence later.nah-
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Alright I know I didn't post my gamma case tonight but I really gotta sleep, I'm sorry town. I probably won't be able to do it tomorrow either. It's a busy weekend for a busy sequencer.
Please read Gamma's posts a little more intently. I think you might be able to see what I can see, especially if you read his ISO in micro 665.nah-
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How does this affect your read on Alisae?In post 578, Flubbernugget wrote:
I actually see you poorly handling pressureIn post 418, Alisae wrote:Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.nah-
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Glad we agree.In post 610, -Grey- wrote:ISOed Ircher, he seems pretty town.
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Funny, the only anti-town thing I see Grey doing is hyperposting. I don't understand why people are calling him scum -or- anti-town.
That said, I think you're barking down the wrong tree with TwoFace. Some meta would probably assist you here.
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I'm not ascetic. I rescind that, your play wasn't absolutely atrocious, Gamma, but was instead just kinda obnoxious and roundabout.
D:In post 704, Alisae wrote:This makes me want to, but I'm comfortable on the All Alone wagon. After all, I'm probably going to be All Alone on it. Like the majority of my life. All Alone.
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What did you mean by this? Did you mean to imply that I was being opportunistic with my votes, switching between wagons quickly looking for an easy lynch? If so, I would like to direct you to post 542. Notice the only scumreads I have are the only people I've (seriously) voted?
Asphodel reads pretty poorly.
Not sure what to think of the gamma situation. He still reads pretty scummy.
Rainbowdash pushing on Grey looks horrible, especially considering how she called for a wagon on me earlier. Possible scum motivation is realizing that that wagon has low potential energy, and switching to a heavily disliked (but not necessarily scumread) slot to keel over the people who aren't sure with a semi-decent case.
Rainbowdash, what caused you to drop pushing me and choose Grey instead?
Oh holy fuggin shit would you look at that grey is (probably) cop.
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Why do you care so much? I hadn't posted inbetween your original question and your requote of it, which doesn't fit your otherwise devil-may-care attitude to the game and how you're read.In post 835, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:In post 814, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Explain my dear Human, don't just say you're okay with a lynch but back it up with reasoning lolIn post 813, Human Sequencer wrote:Gin is also reading pretty bad.
I wouldn't mind a Gin or Asphodel lynch at the moment.
Everybody else who has attacked you has been met with a somewhat aggressive and combative tone. Why are you more diplomatic with me?
Is Gin an alt? It would seem as though this is his first game, but a few others have commented on his voting habit from what seems to be past experience with his play.
Not as sure on scumGin anymore, now that I've realized just how new he is.
Grey wagon still stupid.nah-
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^with krylea on that one.
Instead of lynching town gamma to weaken ascetic, we should just lynch scum so that we win the game lmao.
Like if you buy the claim Gamma is pretty much conftown to you, so why would you waste that lynch on a townslot for 'Oh we might get a guilty...' or something like that.
Ascetic really doesn't seem that powerful for scum tbh.nah-
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You just told me to stop avoiding the question, which was a subtle way to avoid my question. If you would read my post, you'll see my scumread on you has somewhat disintegrated.Human wrote:Not as sure on scumGin anymore, now that I've realized just how new he is.
You also claimed that you don't care what I think you are, and then went on to say that you only care about what I think on your actions. That's a semantic argument that doesn't really hold up.
Are you an alt? Do you have game history with any of the other players in this game?nah-
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Read post 496 again and I think you'll ascertain a better understanding of why I scumread you to begin with. My thoughts, read and actions are clearly laid out in that post.
Are you an alt? Do you have game history with any of the other players in this game?nah-
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It's absolutely a boon for scum, from my perspective. I'm just not entirely sure it's worth a mislynch on conftown to deny that from them.
Don't forget that if everybody claims non-ascetic, we can effectively use any night action as a cop investigation if your logic used in 752 is legitimate. In that case, surely all scum having ascetic would be a benefit to town rather than a benefit to scum? Working under that logic, every single night action is a straight upgrade from what it used to do except Vig, which remains the same. Doc now protects town and investigates scum. Tracker is now a cop. Etc. With this in mind, surely there's no way you actually think what you're pushing in 856? Did you simply miss that detail?
Unless you didn't actually believe what you said in 752 when you posted it, or have since changed your mind? I know I don't 100% buy into that logic without some more proof or reasoning.nah-
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I would appreciate it if you addressed the rest of my post.
I don't see how you could believe what you said in both 752 and post 856, and I'm starting to think maybe your wagon isn't so stupid as it initially seemed.
Unless there's a reason for the dissonance I've just missed? If you're town, a simple explanation of your mindset would easily clear up any misunderstanding I may have.nah-
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Ircher is town. Don't run up Ircher. Don't wagon Ircher. Ircher is town.
I'm also willing to believe that Gamma and Grey are town, if the answer to this is yes:
Grey, are you an ascetic cop? I have reason to believe you have motivation for not mentioning it earlier.
Edit: I realize RainbowDash may be on the same trail with 1004
Edit2: ok maybe not
Grey, my question stands.
I'm glad Alisae swapped her avatar back.
Gin is town on reread and for post 976. I doubt scumGin would care enough to pay attention to anybody's posting patterns, where as a good little townie is very interested in when and where he gets information from.nah-
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Krylea, stop asking. You're not getting an answer today.
Krylea is a good lynch tbh.
I side with Grey.
This confirms to me that one of them are scum, and if Dash flips miller, we can just lynch Grey tomorrow. It's far riskier to lose a miller than a cop.His claim is a generic cop's counterpart, which I am not.
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Read this, and then read this.Between the ascetic and Brony claiming Miller, they have nothing to fear if I'm townreading the vulnerable scum, if there is any.
910 and its followup.
Grey is a town x-shot cop. We're lynching RainbowDash.nah-
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what is a gambitIn post 1096, krylea wrote:
No it isn't. Grey clearly implied that the missing piece of his role had some natural connection with another player - he specifically mentioned a counterpart. X-shot does not have a natural connection with another player, unless he isIn post 1086, Human Sequencer wrote:Grey didn't switch anything up. Grey posted that he -was- leaving something out. His story is consistent start to finish.still leaving things out.
grey saw the fakeclaim a mile away and planned for it, rainbowdash walked right into itnah-
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You are incorrect. An outted cop will not survive long and conf-townies are not as helpful in the situation dash was trying to manufacture.In post 1100, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
I've dealt with two outed cops, no matter what we decided strongmaning the cop is the way to go and be done with it. The longer you're alive, the more conf!townies we get. It's not a valid reason if the scum have even 1 iota of intelligence.In post 1087, -Grey- wrote:
Miller is a pretty safe fakeclaim for Scum if you think about the mechanics and it away a guilty hit if I target him.In post 1083, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Why, as scum, would she find it necessary to come up with a fake claim to mislynch you when you can be killed at night?
Leaving me alive would quickly cause town to paranoia lynch me because what scum team would leave a cop alive?
That's why I think our scumteam has the ascetic.
Between the ascetic and Brony claiming Miller, they have nothing to fear if I'm townreading the vulnerable scum, if there is any.
Okay so let me ask you this, why would a scum set up a 1v1 situation where if either X flips red/green Y is the inverse Day(N+1)?
Especially considering its this early in the game, we're not talking about MyLo but D1.
@dash that's not the point. Miller + Scum Ascetic is just not likely. Grey isn't trying to imply that there was necessarily a counterpart to his x-shot cop, more that a second investigative role isn't so unlikely.
If you are miller, grey obviously dies tomorrow.nah-
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Still think Gin is probably town.
RD was obv, I'm surprised it even had any resistance, especially after she scumslipped that she thought Grey was VT.
I'm okay with
VOTE: Krylea for now. Need to do some deeper analysis, though.
@Ircher if you're still reading this.
I obviously picked up on your role very early into the day, there's no reason you had to almost hard claim at the end there considering I could have easily cleared you if it came to it. Very sloppy play.nah-
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