Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

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This is mafia.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

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Why the change of mind?

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I'm hungry now.

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Nope!

Seemed to me he came in here threw down a RVS vote. Then voted someone because they were joke posting. Both pretty empty of alignment content to me. Unless he comes in here to say otherwise I am pretty sure theres nothing there to really think about.

Seems strange to me to think to think its AI.

I would agree it's probably not AI. Actually, I like the vote switch. That's a good point. I'd argue that's more town indicative than scum indicative, if anything.

VOTE: u r a person 2

Really would like to get a wagon going. U r a person 2 is really jokey here, he was pretty serious during marathon, so that seems like enough reason.

Vote with me?

I would think someone would play differently in a marathon than in a regular game.

Why the change of mind?

I found this question kind of interesting in that, I didn't think the reasoning behind it was there. As though when I read it, I immediately thought "does triss really think there is reasoning here that goes beyond joke posting?" I might be over thinking it but I found the placement odd. Maybe this is overthought to a simple question of person just responding to question.

I wish to have triss here to talk.

I was just curious why he changed his vote immediately.

Can I suggest NMSA for that wagon? I expect you'll find that more productive, anyhow.

Ok, VOTE: NMSA

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trisssssss

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Fair enough

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I was just curious why he changed his vote immediately.

Do you think there is a deeper meaning than the reasoning I gave?

What do you mean by the reasoning you gave? I didn't know why. I was just curious. It was one of thenonly things of note at that point.

oh also before i forget i wouldn't be surprised if scum have a non-standard wincon given how the town wincon is worded

It reminds me of the game you were in with the mod. Where she caught you fake claiming as vig.

I do like what's happening with NMSA, and with so many believable reasons to push people right now, I think there's probably scum on his wagon and/or nor voting

I don't think I understand what you are saying here.

Also, before I forget, VOTE: Brigitte

If you were scum reading us for our interactions early, and you no longer scum read me, why are you still scum reading Brigitte?

another good point, but she was wasting space early, which led to my scumread on both before I called you two as scumteam.

It just seems like typical early game stuff to me.

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@Reckoner What do you think of NMSA?

I love your bravado

I think my 5-4 town record with all five wins coming in newbie games warrants it =P

Nice! Very impressive!

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I understood.

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It reminds me of the game you were in with the mod. Where she caught you fake claiming as vig.

yeah, that's exaclty the game i was thinking of
were you following along with that game?

I wasn't following along at the time, but I recently read the end of it.

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Town
Reckon

Lady Angel


Brigitte
U r a person 2
Scum

What did it mean for Lady Angel to be in middle here. If it means null, what set her apart from others who had posted at the time.

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the fact that reck didn't post anything in between so i don't know why he suddenly changed his mind from 'reck has no ai content' to 'nm reck's changing vote like that is townie'

I thought it was a change from casual read into looking at things more closely when prompted.
Gave him a townpoint for it.

This seems different from Enter's own explanations.

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Town
Reckon

Lady Angel


Brigitte
U r a person 2
Scum

What did it mean for Lady Angel to be in middle here. If it means null, what set her apart from others who had posted at the time.

I'm leaving off question marks for some reason.

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At least try to look town please.


I'm adding a possible situation 3.5 for reck:

Pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

iirc i'm pretty sure that reck's push on you started before nmsa even posted

Response to this, Enter?

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Oh, missed that

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Town
Reckon

Lady Angel


Brigitte
U r a person 2
Scum

What did it mean for Lady Angel to be in middle here. If it means null, what set her apart from others who had posted at the time.

reck was kinda town for drawing attention w his vote flip

lady voted brig for no known reason - i liked that there was attempt at content but not quite sure where it was going also i was kinda on the scumreading side of brig at the time so i liked she was voting scumread

brig and urap2 were fluff posting which i don't like in rvs, regardless of whether or not it's ai. fluffposting is a way to fill up a game w/ nonsense that gets people nowhere, it draws attention so it makes you look less scum (cuz you're not lurking and trying to hide under the radar) but it also doesn't push anything

So, are you saying Lady was on the town side in that?

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Update:

Still trying to decide if Reckoner:
1 seriously thinks he caught scum on page 1
2 is pushing cuz he's town and legitimately doesn't know better
2.5 is pushing cuz wagons are good for analysis
3 is gonna try and tunnel me all game so he doesn't have to pay attention and post content
3.5 is pushing me cuz NMSA is his buddy

What do you think is most likely?

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I do like what's happening with NMSA, and with so many believable reasons to push people right now, I think there's probably scum on his wagon and/or nor voting

I don't think I understand what you are saying here.

I'd like a response to this.

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I'm leaning towards Enter being town myself.

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Why is NMSA at L-2 already?

Why is that a surprise? What do you think of the wagon?

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This alt requires more thinking than my main does

What do you mean? Why would that be?

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Hi everyone. Just based on skimming the thread, NMSA’s posts are pinging me the most. Not voting yet, because I’m concerned about the speed of that wagon.

This is just WIFOM.

Also, can someone please explain the votes on Brigitte, Skitter? Thanks.

Everyone else is waiting on explanations on those as well.

You don’t think it’s relevant? I always get nervous when wagons form really fast without a hard guilty, don’t you? Like he could still be scum, I just prefer not to rush my vote.

Because both read pretty townie to me.

Anyone else you wanna vote?

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Reck/Enter I'm not 100% sure what to make of. Reck's gripe that Enter's reads were inconsistent on page 2 is just as contrived as Enter defending himself

In what way is Enter defending himself contrived?

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Why did you scum read Brigitte?

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I guess for that not to be true scum would have to entirely within {Chara, Bronson, NotMySpamAccount, xRECKONERx}

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Anyone have any questions they want to ask me?

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Anyone have any questions they want to ask me?

Are you still town reading enter?

I've seen nothing to change my mind there.

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I don't see why tictac would look like he's busing. He's in basically the same situation as me as relates to that wagon. We both voted for nmsa before he started posting, and stayed because we thought he looked scummy when he did. What in particular about tictac looks like it could be a bus?

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I've seen nothing to change my mind there.

What are you basing the read on?

I might be just giving him town points for his play style which I've liked. It's not a very strong town read.

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If we knew what's unique about this game it would help us know how likely the scum would be to bus.

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huh, i'm noticing the lack of mentioning 'daytalk' in the op

oh i reskimmed the first three pages; at the time i was more focused on enter than anything else but yeah the reason why tictac's vote bothered me is that i can see it as early-scum distancing on a wagon that's building on a partner that they imagine might dissipate before it goes anywhere dangerous; it's a safe-seeming way to distance at that stage

i'm not saying it *is* this; i'm saying that it's the sort of vote that i've seen scum make before so if someone *is* bussing on that wagon that's where i'd probe further

Do you think this reasoning would apply to my vote as well?

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I'll only have access to my phone for an unknown amount of time.

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I have my wifi back, now. I've been reading everything using my phone, but now i need look back at some things, maybe come up with some reads, don't have much time right now, but I'll see if there's anything that catches my eye.

1.a well, sort of. i agree that the question wasn't particularly significant, and that it's answer wasn't that important, but that's not why i asked it - i like to get out of rvs as soon as possible and i believe that the best way to do that is to start pushing anything that looks remotely interesting or that looks like someone has formed some sort of opinion; that way we start to generate discussion. you're right, why tris thoguth flubber's rvs post was scum-indicative really isn't that important or intersting in the broader context of the game, but it's the first post that i felt was more interesting than the typical banal rvs posts, so i used that to start a discussion

Oh, I forgot to respond to your question there. I actually didn't find anything about Flubber to be scum there. It was completely RVS.

i don't know anything about tris besides join date, but i'm guessing that's either someone's alt or someone with experience. i wish i had a read there, was going to say tris is pinging me a bit but the request for questions directed towards them feels towny to me and it might just be the question-heavy style i don't like.

Yeah, I have a previous account. This is now my new main. So, I have some experience, but I hadn't had a lot of games, and they were a long time ago, so I'm still somewhat inexperienced.

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Actually, I'm tired, and need to go to bed.

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I'm sorry I didn't get to this today. I'll make sure to do so tomorrow morning.

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tris

is kinda null, actually. talk about who you'd lynch and why, please? Actually, talk about skitter and your thoughts on Bronson's posts.

Well, so far everything coming from skitter has felt like it's coming from a genuine place. I don't really get the Branson case. I don't see what's scummy about 70.

@Ank Do you still scumread skitter?

You're not really giving reads. You're just shading me and inexplicably calling nmsa town. What reasons do you have?

VOTE: nmsa

I'm ready to do this tbh. got a decent town bloc and caught scum

You asked for reads, you got them, but then you say that Ank shouldn't have called you scum without voting you? She was doing what you asked for there.

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VOTE: NMSA

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Why's that?

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You're not really giving reads. You're just shading me and inexplicably calling nmsa town. What reasons do you have?

VOTE: nmsa

I'm ready to do this tbh. got a decent town bloc and caught scum

You asked for reads, you got them, but then you say that Ank shouldn't have called you scum without voting you? She was doing what you asked for there.

@urap2

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tris and reck are virtually locktown

What?

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Why am I town?

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Why am I town?

did you fake hammer on purpose

Yeah, do you think I wouldn't have as scum?
UNVOTE:

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Oh, do you still scum read skitter?

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VOTE: NMSA I haven't changed my mind here.

Why do you think he's town, Ankamius?

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I'm going to try to sort through the playerlist. I'm a bit lacking in reads.

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wait lemme do my tris impression
"im gonna try to hammer someone THEN worry about forming actual reads"

like what

p.edit: i have zero interest in anything outside of a lurker lynch right now and approximately 0% of the "points" or "cases" made against NSMA hold any weight in my head bc theyre all METAMETAMETAMETAMETAMETAMETA and meta is fucking garbage

I didn't try to hammer anyone. I knew my vote was already there. It was intentionally fake.

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How was that going to get them lynched? Are you saying someone would vote for NMSA after an apparent hammer?

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Ank is selling towncred and reck is buying it up.

What does this mean?

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As much as both of his main pushes skeeve me out reck looks better after his reads list than before. The fake anger thing I pointed out stemmed from the fact that I really didn't see anything that looked like provocation from me or Enter to actually irritate him in any reasonable way. It made his posting seem like he was more playing to a character than being genuinely crass. That was why I decided to unvote for him when the wagon was forming. I wanted as few irritants to reck at the time to see what he would and wouldn't get pissy about. That ended up being moot by the LAL push anyway.

As previously mentioned, I'm liking urap for scum. His pushes off the nmsa wagon were basically just a few new votes and wagon solicitations. And when nothing happened, they just tried the same thing with a new head. It's not really a productive way to try and form reads and doesn't come off as actually trying to solve the game.

Ank is looking pretty scummy too.

You think Ank and nmsa2 is SvS?

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!!!

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I'm not townreading the fake hammer

Isn't that why you said you townread me?

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Pfff

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Reck I would love to bring back Lynch all lurkers, lynch qll liars, lynch all sled voters, but not this game. Look at NMSA. Point out a post that makes him town

that's not how burden of fucking proof works

chances are, he's town
it's on the CHORUS OF PEOPLE SCREAMING THAT HE'S SCUM to present a compelling case, which absolutely ZERO of you have done

Turns out it goes both ways. The only argument for him being scum is resistance which there's a surprise large amount of for this to be a solid argument.

I'm confused by this. It seems from your other posts that you have other reasons for voting NMSA, but then you're saying this?

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wait lemme do my tris impression
"im gonna try to hammer someone THEN worry about forming actual reads"

this is actually very easily answered by her using the fake hammer specifically to try to get those reads

and not actually getting as many as she wanted from it

Actually, I did the fake hammer more on a whim. I didn't really have any specific motivations for it. The post afterwards about being lacking in reads was something I was going to say before I put that on hold to make the fake hammer.

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yay skitter is probably town because of this interaction

I agree. How is watch duty right now?

i can't see the sun anymore but I think that might be because I've lost my retinas

Ohhh no. Go see the medical unit quick!

These two have been spamming all game. I'm calling my shot now, this is the scumteam. Come join me on the urap wagon, game is already solved.

Also correct me if I'm wrong because I have no experience in setup spec, but this game probably has more than two scum in it, right? with 13 people? This was a legit dumb!tell I think. He's only played newbie games up until now and they have 2 person teams.

Oh, you're right! UNVOTE:

Actually, I did the fake hammer more on a whim. I didn't really have any specific motivations for it. The post afterwards about being lacking in reads was something I was going to say before I put that on hold to make the fake hammer.

like did you get anything out of it? did it help you form reads? or did you just randomly decide to lol-fake-hammer for no apparenet purpose?

There wasn't a purpose really. I do think Reck's reaction felt town though.

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(In no particular order)
Town:
skitter30
xRECKONERx
u r a person 2 (This recent development probably comes from town)
and now I'd say NotMySpamAccount

probably Enter too

null: Chara

I haven't really sorted Flubbernugget and Brigitte

Very little content:

Lady Angel

Elbirn
Nimueh
tictac

@Ankamius I still don't really see why you town read me off around the fake hammer. Could you explain more?

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Why the change of mind?

I found this question kind of interesting in that, I didn't think the reasoning behind it was there. As though when I read it, I immediately thought "does triss really think there is reasoning here that goes beyond joke posting?" I might be over thinking it but I found the placement odd. Maybe this is overthought to a simple question of person just responding to question.

I wish to have triss here to talk.

You know I had this thought at the time because my first thought on seeing reck's vote switch was "why the switch?" and I dismissed it

but in retrospect, this might be indicative of tmi thought processes.

What are you saying here?

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so you just decided to fake-hammer for the lols?

i'd also support a tris wagon btw

p-edit this was at @tris

That's what I keep saying.

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I just wanted to see how people would react if it seemed like I just popped in and lol-hammered after having been absent for a while.

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Not a thought out one. Like my motivations for wanting to see reactions came less from a place of trying to sort people, and more from a place of amusement.

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call it a town-motivated approach I guess

What is town motivated about fake hammering "for the lols". I feel like it's something I might have done as scum as well. Not sure though.

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Hi, I’m sorry, I haven’t been feeling well and haven’t caught up with what I’ve missed. I’m sorry for my lack of participation. I hope I’ll feel better soon and make up for it.

From a brief skim, it seems that most people have flipped their read on NMSA. Can someone tell me why and anything else I should know? Thanks.

The bit that changed my mind was this.

yay skitter is probably town because of this interaction

I agree. How is watch duty right now?

i can't see the sun anymore but I think that might be because I've lost my retinas

Ohhh no. Go see the medical unit quick!

These two have been spamming all game. I'm calling my shot now, this is the scumteam. Come join me on the urap wagon, game is already solved.

Also correct me if I'm wrong because I have no experience in setup spec, but this game probably has more than two scum in it, right? with 13 people? This was a legit dumb!tell I think. He's only played newbie games up until now and they have 2 person teams.

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i think tris's reply to skitter is townish as is hammering "for the lulz" but it'd depend on the player if i really want to townread it. i don't understand why scum does it either so i'm not sure why you're scumreading the action itself, skitter.

I'm not particularly scumreading the fake-hammer; it just doesnt make sense as an unpremeditated action from either alignment; i just don't get why someone would randomly fakehammer (and *not* be deliberately trying to get reactions) as either alignment.

My scumread has more to do with a lack of original opinions/lack of actively sorting people, and that her presence in the game rn has largely been to ask questions that dont lead anywhere and to sheep people. I particularly dont like the post from a couple of pages back where she just dropped the nmsa push because urap2 did.

It wasn't because urap2 changed his mind. It wasn't until urap2 made the point I quoted in the above post that I changed my mind. The evidence convinced me.

null: Chara

I haven't really sorted Flubbernugget and Brigitte

what's the difference between me and Flubber/Brigitte?

I had thought more about you, whereas I hadn't as much for Flubber and Brigitte.

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I've been having trouble coming to getting myself to form reads on some people. Anyone have any advice? I have a hard time deciding what's townie or scummy for many people. Often when I read people's posts I find myself going, "Oh, that makes sense". I know, that's a pretty basic mafia question.

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@urap2 I don't think you've mentioned why you townread me. I understand where the people who are scumreading me are coming from more considering my lackluster performance so far.

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I've got to figure out who scum might be and vote for someone.

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I think I maybe need to vocalize my thoughts more, even where those thoughts are poorly formed.

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Brigitte's ISO seems like a natural process to me. Nothing that couldn't come from scum, but I don't see any reason to think she is mafia.

@Ankimius You said that Brigitte's scum read of you is akward. Why is that? I understand it myself.

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You sitting on the nmsa wagon and being completely unable to scumhunt anywhere else.

But, he's not on the NMSA wagon anymore. And he is scumhunting elsewhere.

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I've been having trouble coming to getting myself to form reads on some people. Anyone have any advice? I have a hard time deciding what's townie or scummy for many people. Often when I read people's posts I find myself going, "Oh, that makes sense". I know, that's a pretty basic mafia question.

Just ignore this.

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yay skitter is probably town because of this interaction

I agree. How is watch duty right now?

i can't see the sun anymore but I think that might be because I've lost my retinas

Ohhh no. Go see the medical unit quick!

These two have been spamming all game. I'm calling my shot now, this is the scumteam. Come join me on the urap wagon, game is already solved.

Also correct me if I'm wrong because I have no experience in setup spec, but this game probably has more than two scum in it, right? with 13 people? This was a legit dumb!tell I think. He's only played newbie games up until now and they have 2 person teams.

Hmm yeah. This didn't occur to me. I don't have nearly enough time for a proper readthrough, but I'm definitely townreading urap2 now, his play has developed into what I'm used to from town!urap at this point. I definitely don't see the motivation for the tris fakehammer, I've pulled that before, but the only reason to do it imho is because the wagon is under significant pressure, and the fakehammer could fit in the progression the game was going in. The fake lolhammer came out of nowhere, I would have checked it anyway, this seems like either bad play (which I wouldn't expect coming from the alt of an experienced player, which I think someone said tris is) or scum trying to get towncred.

I'm only somewhat experienced. I had some games back in 2014, a number of which I flaked on, and then I was gone for a while. I played one game in 2017, and now I'm here with 2 other games with this account.

i still think u2's turnaround there is more towny than not. and it's hard to tell if a random fakehammer amid another fakehammer is trolling or not when you don't actually comment on it.
so u2 bringing it up for discussion didn't strike me as bad.

i also don't think consistency is towny, anyway, but i might have accepted that Ank's thought processes are drastically different from mine.

pedit: hahaha. of course you'd say that after i've typed this.

I think in a bubble, urap asking about my fakehammer is fine. When there's not much more in the way of looking for scum reads than "here's what my memory serves, a bunch of gut town reads," it's a straw grasp and an attempt to look town.

Are these not looking for scum reads?

Spoiler:

like i'm not sure what the scum motivation is for such a massive read reversal here
cuz if they're partners i don't think he just randomly drops the push
and if nmsa is town and urap is scum like why bother doing this rn?

the fact that i still went "but u2 might still be scum here doing this as a smokescreen in spite of nmsa being town!"
and that's... stupid. and my gut is being stupid. i think this is a case where i have to agree with you on u2 being town and just ignore my gutread on him because it's just making zero sense.

but yes, i agree. i'm kind of happy he's dropped it too, as i never really liked the wagon.

Ankamius, are you still scumreading skitter? maybe i'm tired but i can't tell right now.

This is probably a stretch, but these read to me like the deflation of scum watching both today and tomorrow's mislynches evaporating

Chara says they are happy I've dropped the push, but the whole post reads disappointed.

And remember, Chara was town reading me

even u2 is towny.

So why the long face?

Which slot besides skitter was pro-lynch on nmsa but didn't want to get on the wagon?

That slot is probably scum.

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VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

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VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

Alright, fair enough.
UNVOTE:

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Afaik it's because "lurker SHRUG"

Do you think his ISO seems particularly scummy? I don’t didn’t find anything particularly pinging about it.

he's being pushed because he's an easy push

I haven't seen any evidence of otherwise, and even then my personal 'scumread' of him is a bit of a stretch that's dependent on my Brigitte scumread

sooooooooooooooo

I think you’re probably town. I agree, tictac seems like mislynchbait.

Why do you think Ank is town?

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That was a lot to read.

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My initial reaction to Brigitte's interaction with Ank earlier on was to want to vote Brigitte even before everything that followed came. I think I want to take a moment to review Brigitte.

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@Enter I think you have misinterpreted some of what Nim has been saying.

What I said was I didn’t think it was townie

I can think of two reasons right now why Nimueh s reaction to tris is bad, and one of them I know she knows the answer to.

VOTE: nimueh

Yeah because I actually am not feeling well and your vote is bad.

Bad as in wrong, not scummy.

Huh.

This was referring to your vote, not to mine.

Enter seems to be of the false impression that I’m seeking a free pass for being sick and think that should somehow make me immune from votes, which is something I’ve never even suggested.

VOTE: Nimueh

Anything to say about someone other than NMSA (Or I guess tictac)?

I’ve V/LA because I haven’t been feeling well, so no I’m not caught up yet but if this is your sole reason for for voting me, it isn’t a town one.

VOTE: Tris

Huh.

And in this post she wasn't saying I shouldn't vote for her because she's sick. The sickness was just the reason she wasn't caught up yet.

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aw i wanted the tictac slot

hello!
i'm pretty sure your slot is town!

oh thats good, i am too
should i sheep you until i get reads

Why do think you should sheep skitter specifically?

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aw i wanted the tictac slot

hello!
i'm pretty sure your slot is town!

oh thats good, i am too
should i sheep you until i get reads

Why do think you should sheep skitter specifically?

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VOTE: Brigitte

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aw i wanted the tictac slot

hello!
i'm pretty sure your slot is town!

oh thats good, i am too
should i sheep you until i get reads

Why do think you should sheep skitter specifically?

she called me town
i modded a game where she had good reads
i like her

why is this question so important to you that you feel the need to ask twice?

It just looked like you had missed it.

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that's l-1 btw

Oh, I wasn't paying enough attention.

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@Brigette Could you explain how Ank's case on you was a copy of yours on her?

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@Brigitte Why is your vote still on the tictac slot?

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Oh, I didn't see your most recent post.

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followup on the last post, i think it's possible tris is town who realized her reasoning was bad, or she's scum who decided to pivot after Nim called her scummy if her vote was just for Nim's activity. so scum tris decided it was better to just pull back.
Brigitte wagon however, that has a lot of support and Brigitte's been active.

I voted for Nim because I wanted to prompt her to talk about players other than NMSA. I then unvoted because she indicated that she was trying to catch up. I didn't feel like keeping my vote there would do any good.

For Brigitte, I didn't like the case she made on Ank, and she's never really done anything that feels like town.

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I do wonder why skitter seems reluctant to vote for me.

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(and the fact that the wagon is largely formed by slots i townread reassures me too)

And me who you considered voting earlier.

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It was the part about Ank's scumread of her being a copy of hers on Ank. But not just the initial argument there. Her response in 1212 I especially didn't like. The interactions with Reck later were not great. I don't know if they were necessarily scummy, but they weren't town.

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pedit: i had a thought about you being scum together but i don't feel like skitter would softbus her partner on day 1. it looks really bad if scum you ever flips. so i find it unlikely it's both of you.

I find her reluctance to vote me strange, but I'm not sure how it would make sense for scum. The only explanation I can think of is she didn't want to lynch her partner like you say, but I know that's not the case of course. I still do think she's town.

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This was it.

I'm so far behind and I dont feel like I'm a part of this game and I dont know how to get a word in edge wise

Someone spoon feed me or ask me to look at a specific something or something

what do you think of the ank/brig/reck thing that started around here:

What do you think of Brigittes case reck

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What does she do that's town?

[tris]

I don't know what to think of this with Brigitte. It's very WIFOM.

[tris]

Yeah I dont pop into the thread if I dont have time to critically engage and being as I have no knowledge of anything thats going on I dont pop in. I dont know how you think I was online at like 7am when I wasnt, but nonetheless yeah thats a thing that COULD happen.

Are people finna lynch my slot, because I'd much rather we made scum shoot me. Can we work on that instead?

How would we make scum shoot you?

(Also the game is nightless currently)

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@Skitty and Chara, I don't feel like grabbing the quotes, but I acknowledge that you have both in fact reached out to me and said some stuff and I'm gonna try to get to that. Skitty as I recall wanted me to look at some posts somewhere and look at some interactions...Chara actually I think you just redirected me to this fact and didn't have any questions of your own. I think. idk I'm trying.

Aaand I will acknowledge that I haven't put in the time/effort that this game deserves, even if I am high-key actually overwhelmed by the game size ballooning since I replaced in. Like...Most of you don't know this having not really played with me ever but I do so much better in slower paced games and there's a reason I don't venture out of the mini normal/theme sized games anymore. It's cuz I don't have the time for it, I get bogged down, wind up irrelevant, and then replace out. This pace is honestly on par with a large game imo and I thought I was getting into something I could handle when it was only 30+ pages and now I feel like I've done an irresponsible thing but I'm trying but I am actually pretty much looking forward to hopefully living to day 2, saying fuck you to day 1, and just moving forward with information gleaned at that point. I drank all my coffee and then wrote a large excuse OH NOOOO

Some of the pages can definitely be skimmed over without missing much.

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Oh good Creature is also town and has a brain in his head, I've read all of 10 pages of this game and I sorted Brigitte as town and idk what everyone elses problem is. Literally dismantle that wagon and shove it up my butt instead, at least she's playing the game.

It's not based on the first 10 pages. I felt those were pretty null.

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Yeah I dont pop into the thread if I dont have time to critically engage and being as I have no knowledge of anything thats going on I dont pop in. I dont know how you think I was online at like 7am when I wasnt, but nonetheless yeah thats a thing that COULD happen.

Are people finna lynch my slot, because I'd much rather we made scum shoot me. Can we work on that instead?

How would we make scum shoot you?

(Also the game is nightless currently)

Right yeah that's a thing.
Uhh. Do we know how to stop the nightless yet, and either way, do we WANT to stop the nightless? If this is a whole conversation that's already been had I can just, like, fuck off and read that I guess.

Nope.

Elbirn: what i'd really like to hear about is your read on skitter and vote on me.

Oh lort I forgot about that. First lemme stop being a meme

UNVOTE: Chara

and yeah idk i trolly shitpost I wanted attention okay
From what I have read of Skitter her tone/play style seems basically identical to the game we just finished with the three of us...Uhh was that Prey? Yeah. You know what's funny is I bought it and I'm staring at the main menu like "am i gonna get to this today", but yeah THE POINT IS, skitter seems like what I've seen of her playing as town so

Have you seen her as scum?

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My scumread of Brigitte is based on stuff starting on page 49.

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Theres pretty obvious points in this game where your tone is fake btw.
You pretending you are not angry during the game by throwing around sarcasm with it, obviously actually angry.
Like the most real tone thing you have going for you is this weird ego self perception you have. Which is what I believe is the most real thing I have seen about your posts.

Your stances are not much there under the surface. Like just examine the case you made on me. More than half of it was a direct copy of what I said about you, except add in things like "didn't know how to act around fake hammer" and "awkward scumread on me". You even added the confidence level I had on you as your next post. Except instead of what I said as 85% you are 90%. Woah. You are a legend.

Your position on NMSA is "newbtown". The easiest. Laziest. Argument. Ever.

My question for people townreading you is are they townreading the ego part thinking that the scum would be more agreeable or something?

People really should think about how easy it is to make an argument for NMSA being newbtown is.
What criteria do you need to make to fill that argument?
Establish the player is new.
Then call them newbtown and mislynch bait.

And there you have it. Don't need to process thought patterns. Don't need to address actions really. In fact I don't think Ank has even responded to one post by NMSA, instead you just proxy defend him.

All this actually makes me think that if Ank is scum. NMSA is definitely town.

Wait is this what I'm supposed to read over, brigs case? Or how Reck reacts to it?

Cuz this case sucks ass lol why is she trying to convince reck that reck is scum, and then rail about how lazy it is to call someone newbtown

while positing that that player as town

Who was trying to convince reck that reck is scum? I think you might be misreading something.

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@Tris 1990

1. Man I said multiple questions and all you said was "nope"

2. Yagotme, I've never played with Skitter scum. I'm not one for """META""", but if I play a game with someone and they seem tonally similar to another game I generally run with it. I suppose I can't verify that she doesn't tonally sound like this as scum, but that's never stopped me from having a shitty read on anyone before.
3. I will read Page 49. Soon. Maybe now.
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1. We don't know anything more than the game being nightless right now.
3. It's the page where the case from Brigitte that Ank was quoting is from.

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oops

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i think i like your reaction to being flashwagoned

I think I agree with this.

[tris]

It's not that you got annoyed. It's more your general tone. Also, I like how you discouraged the Brigitte wagon even though you are the current counter wagon. Although, that is at odds with my scumread of Brigitte.

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That's a reply to 2000

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Also, I like how you discouraged the Brigitte wagon even though you are the current counter wagon.

With the amount of replacements lately and the extra one coming up, I can't see this as very indicative of anything since it's likely that the gamestate is going to be switched up due to those new thoughts anyways.

I guess that's true.

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More than half of it was a direct copy of what I said about you, except add in things like "didn't know how to act around fake hammer" and "awkward scumread on me". You even added the confidence level I had on you as your next post. Except instead of what I said as 85% you are 90%. Woah. You are a legend.

I'd love to see what 'more than half' is, because what you've listed is 90% of my scumread on you

Confidence is now 95% you being scum =)

This post in particular I didn't like.

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I have no idea, I've thought about that myself. I would assume there's some negative to it. Like possibly there's a day on which the nights start happening.

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How many votes do we have on Brigitte now?

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Not much to respond to here. Anyone want to lay out why they're voting me?

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What happened to your scumread of NMSA?

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Also, was there a reason you were quoting me there?

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Couldn't Brigitte have acted like she did to give the appearances that she doesn't care about getting lynched. If that's what she was trying to do, it seems to have worked,

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I guess i'll rephrase that. Why don't you like me?

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Couldn't Brigitte have acted like she did to give the appearances that she doesn't care about getting lynched. If that's what she was trying to do, it seems to have worked,

so do you think that's what she was doing, or are you just pointing it out?

Honestly, I'm not sure. But, she's the only player I have much of a scumread on, so that's who I'd like to lynch.

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I still town read her, but some of her play at the end of the day here does feel weird.

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My Enter townread has subsided some.

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@Creature have you looked at Brigitte more than the first couple pages?

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What do you think of her on page 49?

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Does anyone want to explain why they're voting me?

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And, I mean reasons other than being an alternative to Brigitte. Does anyone who scumreads me want to explain why?

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I'm pretty confident there's scum on my wagon.

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Your point?

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Do you scumread me?

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I'm feeling better about it than I was 30 seconds ago

Did scumread anything about me before this?

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*Did you

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5

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But, I said honestly so it has to be honest.

[tris]

So many posts!

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I don't think she's lying

[tris]

I believe in this. Tris is very oh I'm at work people are judging me for being on my phone bye

the first two times i read this i really thought it was a description of tris's play instead of what was happening with you.
i'm... actually... not entirely sure it isn't.

That's not what that is?

[tris]

I still don't buy this flipping town tbh

There's too much of an undertone to how she's been playing the last few days that tells me scum manipulation

You think she would keep this act going like this?

[tris]

I'll think about this tomorrow.

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Ugh, I'm sorry. I haven't been feeling great lately, and I've been avoiding this. I will make sure that I attend to this tomorrow morning. I have to sleep now.

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I don't think either Elbirn or xtoxm have said anything about their vote on me today?

Around here-ish is when I feel the lynch was locked into tris/brigette. Maybe I'm wrong on tris, then.

Hmm? What about the vote count indicates I'm town?

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Have I said that I townread Nimueh? Because I do.

VOTE: succinct for now. I need to reread chara wrt the brig wagon

What is this vote about?

I wouldn't say it was incredibly townie, just a bit townie. It feels like you're trying to take advantage of game length and the replace-out to defend yourself by tring a general(?) townread.

it was incredibly townie, and it's a read i've had since like page30, or whenever it happened, so saying i'm giving a popular read just now to defend myself in the present is kinda silly, esepcially as i'm saying it when others are questioning their reads on the slot - if i'm trying to conform my read to others, as you're suggesting, now is not the right time to reaffirm my townread on him

Yes, what he said wrt that, makes absolutely no sense, especially since he considered you a “strong townread” earlier. This complete 180 on you for this “silly” reason, is why my vote is currently on him.

I like this.

VOTE: NMSA Explain more your thoughts on skitter.

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I'm starting to lean a little town on Flubber. It's weak, but it seems like there might be a genuine process there.

[tris]

I'm here if anyone else is.

[tris]

Seems kind of stagnant. It feels like we're all kind of waiting. I personally have been having a hard time finding scumreads.

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So, I know who Nimueh is because I have read the game skitter was in with her. So, I understand Nimueh's point that skitter shouldn't scumread her for "overreacting". Because I know who she is, I was able to find the game Ankamius referred to where she last scumread her. I wish we were able to talk more directly about it, because I don't see what the scumtell Ankamius is referring to here is. But, it's hard to discuss this to try to understand.

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I've been paying attention to skitter's trajectory on reading you and nothing she's done so far was weird relative to that. This omgusing on her is silly.

Flubber's last two posts are scummy.

Well luckily the trajectory isn't the issue. It's actually a lot simpler than that.

I'm not the only one that thought that skitter's vote on me was weird. Why is only my concern scummy? How is it omgus when I called out a second vote outside of her scum reads., which exactly what struck everyone as odd the first time?

Okay that explains it, I thought you were talking about the Nimueh read.

That reads null then

Isn't this referring to skitter's "new" vote?

Skitter's new vote is even more bizarre than their previous one

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@NMSA what are your reads on people now?

[tris]

What exactly is the case Flubber being scum?

[tris]

*the case on

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What exactly is the case Flubber being scum?

*the case on

It's a gamestate read, his alignment holds a pretty big key to solving it I think. His actions indicate a scum agenda that I suspect is in play this game and him flipping scum would go a long way towards proving that.

Plus if he ends up flipping town instead, then that's a big sign I need to rethink again.

It's a high information high scum equity lynch

What is that scum agenda?

[tris]

This is frustrating

[tris]

The vote precedes two points on brigette being NAI and a setup to still get tris lynched if that were to become convenient. I think this is a perfect illustration of what I was trying to get at when I said chara's posting looks good in a vacuum. This vote really didn't bring any suspicion to chara at all, but it really should have.

isn't this the exact opposite of my posting being good in a vacuum? you're looking at one post here, not the gamestate.

considering one of tris or Brigitte seemed inevitable at that point in the game, why does scum me need to setup on anybody?

I didn't phrase that right. Your surrounding posting looks good enough in a vacuum to let something like your brigette vote slip by.

Your second assumption only holds up if you

know

tris to be town.

This is a good point. I hadn't really noticed this because it matches the way I've been thinking about yesterday's wagons, but why would Chara who has tended towards scumreading me assume that both were town wagons? I would like a response to this from Chara.


As for xtoxm and Flubber,

xtoxm has been pretty scummy today. I did townread urap2, but not enough.

Flubber, I still get the sense that he's town. I don't want to lynch him.

I've completely lost my will to win this game, it died after the D1 lynch, and now it feels like diving into a pool of molasses just reading the thread. I'm perfectly willing to sheep Ank or skitter or someone if it will just get this game to the end or at least to a point where the game is moving fast than 2 posts a day. If Ank is scum taking advantage to lead town astray, then screw it the scumteam deserves the win because I just don't care enough anymore. VOTE: Flubber, I hope it's not L-1 or a hammer cause I'm sure not checking.

I don't know whether to believe this or not, but UNVOTE: NMSA

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This is a good point. I hadn't really noticed this because it matches the way I've been thinking about yesterday's wagons, but why would Chara who has tended towards scumreading me assume that both were town wagons? I would like a response to this from Chara.

i was talking from Flubber's perspective. i'm not sure on your alignment, but going from his suggestion that i was setting up on

both

of you with my Brigitte vote, that only works if both of you were town.

Ok, that makes sense.

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I think Flubber is town. I think I disagree with a lot of what he says, but it all seems real to me.

I hate how xtoxm is acting here. It has that same wifom as Brigitte. But, I'm struggling to find somewhere better to vote.

VOTE: xtoxm

It's almost 3:30am here. goodnight.

[tris]

my issue with that post is huge:

tris is pushing xtoxm using the same reasoning she used to push brigitte
but brigitte flipped town
i would expect town to reevaluate their reads on a townflip
but i think tris shows here that she's just pushing people's names out there without any actual thought behind the push?

argh im trying so hard to get the words out of my head that im thinking

basically, tris is on autopilot pushing on one of the major wagons and using shitty reasoning to get on board that resulted in a town flip last time but it doesn't occur to tris that is bad because tris is scum therefore everyone else is the same alignment so why would she need to change up her push/reasons/etc

god that's so confusing. ill try to step away and rethink how i can communicate my reasoning better

VOTE: tris

I think I wasn't very clear in my post. The wifom thing wasn't a reason to vote xtoxm. It was something that was frustrating me. It was actually something that made me more wary of the wagon, but as I said, I've been having trouble finding somewhere else to vote.

Actually, VOTE: Flubbernugget

L-1

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Ok

VOTE: xtoxm

[tris]

Creature, why your vote? You haven't said much about me.

I don't know how to read Ank.

[tris]

Ughhhhhhhh. I really hope that Flubber was lying and we can lynch a mafia tomorrow. Or that xtoxm is mafia, but this does seem like Brigitte all over again.

[tris]

i still don't understand why tris isn't scum here, Ank. i know i didn't switch my vote either so it's on me as much as you but your strong belief she's town is still something i've never really understood.

She could be but then either scum was in anti-spew on D1 or I’m somehow misreading the VCA but Xtoxm townflip definitely doesn’t make her vote on him look great. I’d say NMSA’s and Tris’ Xtoxm votes look the worst and the reasons, the most suspect.

What does anti-spew mean?

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Ughhhhhhhh. I really hope that Flubber was lying and we can lynch a mafia tomorrow. Or that xtoxm is mafia, but this does seem like Brigitte all over again.

You have no other scumreads than those two?

I wasn't giving scumreads there. I was just wishing that either that we lynched mafia today or that we will have a mafia lynch tomorrow. I actually think both of them are town. I believe Flubber's claim, and xtoxm's posts after the hammer seem like they're town. If they are both town, I'm guessing I will be lynched tomorrow.

I don't actually have any scumreads right now, which is a big problem. I am going to try to put a lot of focus into the game tomorrow (real-time day).

[tris]

Oh my gosh. Why didn't I think about this possibility. This is exactly like that other game.

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I think Ank is clear here.
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NMSA seems unlikely to be scum because Flubbernugget was on that wagon while it was at L-1 for a while.
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I'll trust the townreads on Creature
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Something keeps bugging me about Ank. I don't know what it is. Every logical bone in my body says she should be town but I keep getting premonition flashes of "this is the mastermind that pulled this whole thing off" and it eats away at me. I think Ank's continued reprisal of "omg this is so outside my scum range" is what's really bugging me. I hate self meta, especially when it is repeated over and over as a way to clear yourself as town.

I don't think scum would post this

I agree with this.

A lot of Reck's posts have felt like town to me.
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I have been townreading skitter and I don't think she was bussing.
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I can't seem to recall exactly why I townread nimueh.
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i think this is a setup where scum are going to try to distance as much as possible. it's just necessary.
but it's really hard to analyze if the IC claim was a plan from the start of day 2. one could freely bus their buddy knowing meta says to let the claim live.

I don't think the IC claim is a reliable out. We could have lynched him anyway. Especially since some of us have seen this kind of set up before.

i think there's a universe in this game where tris/NMSA has scum in it, and another where Reck is scum.

Why this dichotomy?

actually fuck flubber is town so i need to bump him way up and then figure out who else goes in the scumpile

and it wasn't the first time in the game Reck had an awkward read on Flubber. he's also townreading him here but in the readlist in the previous post he again "mistakenly" had Flubber listed as scum.
it's pretty strange.

That is strange. I don't know why mafia would act that way though.

no remarks from Elbirn and tris?
we're so close to losing, you people have to limit break. now is the time. HP's in the red. activate your Blaze ability and up that attack power.

I went to bed. I didn't have time to reevaluate.

Flubber/Chara/Skitter as the scumteam would not be a complete shock to me at this point.

I don't think Chara and skitter's interactions are SvS.

Oh my gosh. Why didn't I think about this possibility. This is exactly like that other game.

I mean, i said that this could be a thing like 100 pages ago and you *acknowledged it and interacted with me saying that* so this feels fake

I mentioned that game, but I didn't think that almost the same thing was going on here.

It reminds me of the game you were in with the mod. Where she caught you fake claiming as vig.

Do you spectate a lot of games?

I've spectated some recently, but not a large amount.
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In response to this case on skitter,

I think the way skitter kept speculating about the setup makes sense to me. I kept thinking about it myself. As for her response to the IC claim, first of all, she didn't believe the claim. She just decided to deal with it the next day. And the fact that it didn't occur to her that this game was like the other one in this way could also apply to me and Chara. We should also have realized.

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I guess Succinct is town also?

I feel like I'm townreading to many people. I'm flip floping on whether I want to townread Elbirn.

I am most confident about Ankamius, NMSA, and I guess Creature.

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I'm still very unsure, but I want to put a vote down somewhere, so....

idk. hopefully I get a chance to interact with some people tomorrow.

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Ok so for real

I don't like the homogenized gamestate we are in right now

Either scum are pocketed to hell and back or there's enough mislynches at the bottom of the chain to hide them until they can break the townblock that's been forming apart

In a vacuum I'd expect at least one scum in the active posters atm and currently I think it's most likely to be urap2 via toneread

Chara could be scum this game but I also incorrectly scumread it last time we played in the same game so I don't trust that read as much

NMSA is probably town if I had to guess

I don't think this was too far off the mark

How do you mean? There's multiple possibilities listed there.

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Oh good lord walls of text heckin eff that

What do you think about my argument for NMSA being town?

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@Chara What do you think of this?

NMSA seems unlikely to be scum because Flubbernugget was on that wagon while it was at L-1 for a while.

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Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

This kind of strengthens my theory on possible Skitter scum. I think the fake IC thing was likely discussed in scum chat in some capacity and I think the most logical play for scum in this situation, would have been on his wagon, then conveniently jump off post-IC claim and based on her ISO in that Townsquare game, scum!Skitter would definitely distance. I think that Chara being offwagon prior to Flubber IC claim, actually makes her more likely to be town here, not less because I think scum would have had to have had some idea of Flubber’s plan and her being onwagon pre-claim, would indicate she didn’t.

I feel like that plan would have been risky. People aren't guaranteed to believe the claim. Skitter in particular would have known that I knew about the game she had been in, so I could have pointed out the possibility.

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Although, as skitter herself said, there weren't enough votes for Flubber at the time. Before I put him at L-1 I was expressing a townread. Skitter might have felt safe voting for him because she didn't expect the wagon to go through if she was scum.

[tris]

I'm gonna take a look at skitter.

[tris]

a) i never said or implied it was pro-town, it's pro my sanity and my emotional health. i'm really not interested in trying to sort you, sorry, the way you react to things fucks with my head too much and i just ... don't want to do it and don't want to read your posts or try to interact with you; i don't know why i'm responding to you rn tbh; apparently i'm bad at leaving things alone.

if the game suffers because i'm not sorting someone so be it; i'd rather it be that way than getting into another argument. (again, for the four thousandth time, i think it's kinda anti the spirit of the game to not try to sort people but like ... you put me in this situation so given that you know taht i don't want to play with you and that you know i don't like to read your posts i'm again not sure what you want me to do here; if you think what i'm doing is anti-town don't put me in situations where this is what i'm going to do as a result)

I think this is true.

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Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

This kind of strengthens my theory on possible Skitter scum. I think the fake IC thing was likely discussed in scum chat in some capacity and I think the most logical play for scum in this situation, would have been on his wagon, then conveniently jump off post-IC claim and based on her ISO in that Townsquare game, scum!Skitter would definitely distance. I think that Chara being offwagon prior to Flubber IC claim, actually makes her more likely to be town here, not less because I think scum would have had to have had some idea of Flubber’s plan and her being onwagon pre-claim, would indicate she didn’t.

I feel like that plan would have been risky. People aren't guaranteed to believe the claim. Skitter in particular would have known that I knew about the game she had been in, so I could have pointed out the possibility.

In this particular setup, with a guaranteed flip and no complete bussing, scum ideally needs to both credibly distance and back off in order to push their partner. The fake IC claim is the ideal way to set up partner distancing, if you think about it, so Skitter knowing you might “catch” her, is not remotely a persuasive argument. As I already stated, she was scum in that setup. has made numerous TMI sounding posts about setup spec but nevertheless demonstrates 0 skepticism over Flubber IC claim. Why are you not even considering this as a possibility?

This isn't 0 skepticism.

fine
VOTE: xtoxm
i don't particularly believe the claim and if you can't/don't prove the ic-ness tomorrow i'm voting you again

Yes, she's voting for xtoxm there, but that's after Ank and me had already moved our votes there.

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P.edit. @Tris. It’s completely irrelevant at what point she jumped off of Flubber really. It does however look good for NMSA that he stayed on Flubber until after irrelevant Xtoxm non-hammer.

This was before the hammer

I'm gonna goahead and agree with Ank that town cohesion is done for. I'm crazy suspicious of the flubber claim, but I'm willing to lynch xtoxm just to see. VOTE: xtoxm If we can't get a lynch within irl today or tomorrow there's no way town has a chance bc we'll never agree enough on anything.

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Oh good lord walls of text heckin eff that

What do you think about my argument for NMSA being town?

I haven't read it (See post #3600)

I was trying to point you to it there. I was replying to post 3600.

Here it is.

NMSA seems unlikely to be scum because Flubbernugget was on that wagon while it was at L-1 for a while.

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you've said you are a competent gamestate reader, I could potentially see you even being willing to eat the flubber lynch if both you and your partner were in a good enough spot to either out-charisma me or to direct reads towards mislynches twice in a row

And this is keeping in mind that they would have to reveal 5 town players? That's basically what was at stake with the Flubber lynch.

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Oh good Nim scum slipped. We can just vote this and win yes?

Oh good lord walls of text heckin eff that

What do you think about my argument for NMSA being town?

I haven't read it (See post #3600)

I was trying to point you to it there. I was replying to post 3600.

Here it is.

NMSA seems unlikely to be scum because Flubbernugget was on that wagon while it was at L-1 for a while.

Yes I was being a snarky shit, perhaps undeservedly considering the post you're pointing me to is not a wall of text. I'm sorry for being cranky. Thank you for having a concise post instead of all these others ones that I'm skipping because they make my eyes roll backwards up into my head. I agree that you've made a good point for nmsa being town.

That was part of a wall to be fair.

[tris]

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

So NMSA actually voted for Xtoxm twice but since the second vote was post-hammerUNVOTE: , it wouldn’t get counted, approximately 7 hours before Xtoxm self-hammered.

So, Reck can probably only be scum with Elbirn and Skitter probably only with NMSA, so gun to head, I think scum is Flubber/NMSA/Skitter.

I think NMSA “hammered” because he knew his vote wouldn’t be counted post-hammer and that no one would notice but thankfully Tris caught that.

So rn, I want to vote for one of them I think.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NMSA

I still don't think NMSA is mafia because of D1.

[tris]

What if her partner is elbirn?

[tris]

Yeah, skitter is town.

Oh wait wtf I didnt want that

I went back to see what about Brigitte flip was so compelling and there wasnt one

Pedit: ARGGGHHH WALLS OF NONSENSE

What are you talking about?

[tris]

Who besides Nimueh was/is townreading creature?

idk what 'reck should not be cleared tomorrow' means

If the game doesn't end, recks towncred vanishes for me

What do you mean?

[tris]

Ok, I thought it was more than one person. So, I will still trust that.

[tris]

What if her partner is elbirn?

Flubber is a chick?

Ankamius was talking about skitter then.

[tris]

This is frustrating. I can't think clearly about the game with all this noise. Goodnight.

[tris]

Due to PoE, I am thinking Elbirn is mafia. I don't really townread him anymore. I'm also back to townreading nimueh.

VOTE: Elbirn

Pedit: I would like a response to that argument.

[tris]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Yeah, I thought it was, because Mod was the captain and sample role pm, was a crewman, just like Brigitte and Xtoxm flip.

And same as my own as well.

What, and you can't imagine "First Mate" as flavor? bs

Did you read that post? Did you see any “first mate” mentioned anywhere? No, all you saw was nsg Captain and crewmates. Nice WIFOM though.

Is a first mate not part of the crew? Funny, I almost make the mistake of thinking "crewmen" applied to everyone on the crew, including the Secret Agents we know exist.

I guess I should have thought of that but I didn’t think beyond Brigitte flip, my role pm and that nsg post.

I actually think it might be Elbirn. I don’t like how he made such a big deal about that post and never even thought about reconsidering his read on me and then he accuses me of making it “personal”, which was clearly bs.

VOTE: Elbirn

His posts with Flubber weirdly chummy but then who his his partner? Who makes sense with Flubber/Elbirn scum, do you think?

Maybe Reck or someone I’m just wrongly tr?

Yeah Elbirn probably at least one scum. I feel pretty good about that vote actually. I think Skitter is finally starting to read me. Never Creature/Ank and Succinct by virtue of hardtown Enter read, so I’m townlocking those three. But if we lynch Elbirn scum today, maybe we get some helpful associatives. Hopefully. All I know is if we mislynch, another scum might escape and we absolutely cannot let that happen, so it’s super critical that we correctly lynch today.

If we lynch scum today, we just win.

[tris]

I still think NMSA is town because of Day 1.

[tris]

Due to PoE, I am thinking Elbirn is mafia. I don't really townread him anymore. I'm also back to townreading nimueh.

VOTE: Elbirn

Pedit: I would like a response to that argument.

he's like my second-most confident townread

Why is that?

[tris]

Just realized. We ought to be careful about putting someone at L-1. If they're town, and there is mafia off-wagon, they could quickhammer and then leave the following night.

[tris]

Huh.

[tris]

What changed your mind on nim, Reck?

[tris]

Maybe you could, I dunno, give a single reason why anyone should vote Succinct?

I hate alts.

Sure. Apart from his abysmally low postcount, post quality, and thereby remarkably poor contribution to the game, I also have not been able to find a single reason to townread him in a 150-pager. Looking at his ISO, it's scummily-barren, he isn't trying to gamesolve or have the conviction that town would. I did think Elbirn was scummy, however, after re-examining and eliminating my biases, I conclude that Succinct is more likely to be scum.

If I could bet right now, I'd be betting a good amount of money on Succinct to flip scum.



Oh, and, please do take that negativity out of here. We've already had enough players replace out of this game as it is.

Does Enter come into your read of the slot?

[tris]

Due to PoE, I am thinking Elbirn is mafia. I don't really townread him anymore. I'm also back to townreading nimueh.

VOTE: Elbirn

Pedit: I would like a response to that argument.

he's like my second-most confident townread

Why is that?

idk exactly
his posts feel real
his frustration feels real
his thought processes feel real

idk how to explain better withouit like iso-ing him and pulling out specific posts and idk if i'm willing to do that rn

but like nothing he's said feels fake or fabricated and i follow along with most of his thoughts

To me, most of what he's said has seemed like it could have easily come from both town and scum. Overall, he seems superficially engaged with the game. His push on nimueh seems especially lazy, and easy to make. Yeah, I could see it all coming from town as well, but I'm townreading most of the other players.

[tris]

Townreads:
Tohru
NMSA
Skitter
Reck
Nimueh
Creature

I've given a townread to Succinct in the past because I somewhat townread Enter before, and Succinct voted for Flubber. But, Tohru does make some good points. I could see this slot being scum.

Remainder:
Chara
Elbirn

I think Chara has had some townie seeming moments, but I've never been able to get a very strong read on it one way or the other. I keep meaning to review Chara. I should read through its iso.

So, I am feeling confident that the mafia is within {Succinct, Chara, Elbirn}. If I'm wrong about one of my townreads, it's mostly likely Nimueh.

[tris]

Elbirn
Succint
Chara
NotMySpamAccount
tris

It's 5p LyLo, two of you are scum, the rest of us are treestumps. If you lynch someone wrong, you lose (not in practice, but let's do like this).

Yeah, so all three of my candidates are on this list. I'm not sure which one I'd think has the best chances, but if I had to choose now, I'd go with Elbirn. Never NMSA who I think is town.

[tris]

I should maybe compile a list posts that have felt town from reck.

[tris]

Ugh.

All this drama is making it hard for me to focus, so I'll wait until the morning.

[tris]

So both Elbirn and Chara have voted Succinct. Now, Chara is voting Elbirn as is Succinct.

Either my pool of {Succinct, Elbirn, Chara} was wrong or someone voted for their partner.

I find it highly unlikely that Chara and Elbirn are partners with Chara's vote. If any vote was a bus, I think it would be Chara on Succinct.

If not, I must be townreading someone incorrectly. I need to think.

UNVOTE:

[tris]

you think i was bussing Succinct at L-2 with other players on as Tohru kept trying to get votes?

No. I most likely am townreading someone wrong.

[tris]

Now, Skitter talked alot about NKs early on and her Reck shade pinged me hard, like she was trying to set him up for a mislynch.

If Skitter was setting Reck as the next mislynch, who would fit as skitter's partner? Chara?

I don’t think so. I think she’s probably town. Maybe Skitter/Elbirn?

I'm considering this possibility right now. It's definitely not Skitter/Chara. Their interactions are not SvS.

[tris]

Alright, VOTE: Elbirn. I'm still thinking this is scum.

[tris]

4 I think.

[tris]

No, L-2 is right. It's 6 to lynch.

[tris]

Yeah I dont pop into the thread if I dont have time to critically engage and being as I have no knowledge of anything thats going on I dont pop in. I dont know how you think I was online at like 7am when I wasnt, but nonetheless yeah thats a thing that COULD happen.

Are people finna lynch my slot, because

I'd much rather we made scum shoot me.

Can we work on that instead?

How would we make scum shoot you?

(Also the game is nightless currently)

Whoah. . How did I miss this?

He posted this on March 5th. Reads like TMI to me and If scum was going to NK anyone, I highly doubt it would be Elbirn.

I don't understand.

[tris]

Hold on. UNVOTE:

Thinking.

[tris]

I'm still stuck wanting to townread everyone that I've townread even though that doesn't add up.

[tris]

VOTE: Succinct

I've settled here.

The last scum is in tris or Creature. I think it's a lot more likely to be tris. Who has been playing a fantastic game, by the way.

This is precisely why I’m not trusting your reads

.

And no, I’m not going to let you manipulate my vote,

You know I'm not scum, why are you so resistant about town "manipulating" your vote?

You're extremely

selfish, inconsiderate, and in fact toxic.

I'm considering replacing out, I did NOT sign up to play Babysitter or Counsellor or Psych, I came here to play Mafia.

But since skitter and Chara are in fact remaining in the game I will continue to tolerate as well.


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Nimueh, you are either

with us or against us.

I've been putting extraordinary efforts to reach out to you but you've been shafting me or being extremely patronizing. Your behavior has made me incredibly upset and it's no wonder that other players have been upset at your behavior to the point of blacklisting you as well.

This game has taken a drain on a bubbly, optimistic and full of energy player like me. I'm out of steam.

Either you help us and bring us closer to game end or you continue "solving" your non-existent game.

I want out.

People don't have to agree with you even if they know you're town.

[tris]

Wait. UNVOTE:

[tris]

Succinct is a mislynch. He’s flipping town people. Tohru’s a WOAT for pushing this through. There is no resistance to this wagon. Where the hell is his partner? Freaking nowhere, that’s where!

Yeah man, basically this. Also there are sketchy players who suddenly decided to jump on Succinct.

Scum is Elbirn/Skitter.

What about NMSA?

I actually think I’m wrong about Elbirn/Skitter.

I think it could be NMSA/Tris now.

But this needs to eat rope asap.

NMSA is going to escape tonight. Don’t let him.

That would be an incredibly unlikely team. It would mean me and Flubber both jump onto NMSA wagon which goes to L-1. We both do fakehammers on it. Later, Flubber pushes for me to be lynched over Brigitte. Then day2, NMSA sheeps Ank onto Flubber, and while I initially townread Flubber, I put him to L-1. You really think we would keep trying to get each other lynched?

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So, I'm coming back here. VOTE: Elbirn

If this is wrong, and Succinct is scum, Reck is the only partner that makes sense to me. If this is wrong, and Succinct is not scum, then I think Chara could be scum? I'll consider that more if I need to tomorrow. Hopefully there will be no tomorrow.

I just think Elbirn is the scummier of the two. Where is Succinct though?

[tris]

Yeah I dont pop into the thread if I dont have time to critically engage and being as I have no knowledge of anything thats going on I dont pop in. I dont know how you think I was online at like 7am when I wasnt, but nonetheless yeah thats a thing that COULD happen.

Are people finna lynch my slot, because

I'd much rather we made scum shoot me.

Can we work on that instead?

How would we make scum shoot you?

(Also the game is nightless currently)

Whoah. . How did I miss this?

He posted this on March 5th. Reads like TMI to me and If scum was going to NK anyone, I highly doubt it would be Elbirn.

so wait

did tris know about it being nightless

currently

instead of perma-nightless and that's a scumslip? or did this come after the reveal

I was assuming nights would come eventually.

Until further notice

, there will be no night phases.

[tris]

i have to say my biggest issue with succinct as it stands at the moment is that he always shows up

conveniently

right after there's momentum for something. so like, it looks kinda safe. because i don't really recall succinct starting a push, ever, or stating a wholly unique read. he kinda just shows up to parrot whatever other people have already said

Oh wait are you town and I'm just badmad

Get on the winning team my guy

If Reck is town, would you say then that the team is Succinct and Chara? That seems highly unlikely to me because Chara was on Succincts wagon for a while when Tohru was aggressively pushing for Succinct's lynch.

[tris]

I'm having a hard time seeing Reck as scum, which I see as necessary for Succinct to be scum. A number of people are disqualified due to their votes. I'm pretty hard townreading nimueh at this point. Maybe it could be Creature, but a lot of people are saying this is his town game.

[tris]

Hello, is there something you want to walk about?

[tris]

I'm having a hard time seeing Reck as scum, which I see as necessary for Succinct to be scum. A number of people are disqualified due to their votes. I'm pretty hard townreading nimueh at this point. Maybe it could be Creature, but a lot of people are saying this is his town game.

Creature is locktown here. Neither Reck or Chara were anywhere to be found, when Succinct almost got hammered and earlier, no one complained after you put him at L-2, so Succinct cannot be scum within a partner and considering it’s scum suicide, for scum not to try to save their partner, Succinct is confitown by this.

Rn, I think NMSA/Skitter. I don’t believe she actually thinks he’s partners with Succinct. Skitter usually has much better reads than she’s demonstrated this game.

Scum is in NMSA/Skitter/Elbirn, most likely.

Why do you favor that combination?

[tris]

4 days until deadline.
i can't figure out who Succinct's partner would be if scum, and i'm not convinced Elbirn is town in spite of his frustration seeming real.

on the other hand, if Succinct is town i feel she should be dead with a scum hammer. unless both scum are already on her? this needs more examination of exactly when and how long Succinct was at L-1 for but i don't have the time for that right this minute.

If both scum were voting town-succinct, they would have swapped to me by now for the hammer.

There pretty much necessarily has to be one if not both scum voting for me right now, otherwise I'd be dead by now

Why do you consider this PoV for succinct but not moi?

Only one scum can escape. If they hammer on you, the remaining scum still has to avoid a lynch the next day.

[tris]

hmm, would scum!Elbirn be trying to convince me that scum is between him and Succinct? Wouldn't that be cutting off support for another counterwagon onto NMSA?

[tris]

Unless of course he's scum with NMSA.

[tris]

I've decided that Chara is definitely not scum.