Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Somehow..

.I am not surprised

.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Mastina

[MariaR]

Mastina could be lieing about her role when she explicitly said “only town need to do this”

Why would she lie?

so she can achieve her wincon?

VOTE: Mastina

[MariaR]

I never fakeclaim. I'll bend the truth

lie

[MariaR]

Because it can't possibly be trusted.

I never fakeclaim.

I'll bend the truth

, e.g. cult leader->masonizer, mafia disloyal gladiator->town loyal gladiator, serial killer->vig, but those sorts of bent truths are simply adjusting the role to fit a town alignment, not actual lies. The effect of the role remains the same.

That's called lying. In the context of a Mafia game, it's fakeclaiming.

I'm not an arsonist. I just start random fires in peoples' houses sometimes.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

What you say buddy? You want to lynch mastina for lying?

[MariaR]

I'm game.

I masterbate.

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

i think the size increases implies

a timer of some sort

tbh

[MariaR]

But it didn't increase between 289 and 290, it stayed the same size, 116. I think she's trying to tell us something

nah i think that was just a user error tbh
it seems like a pretty easy pr to fuck up so i think its slightly forgiving

No

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

No

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

No

[MariaR]

MariaR's timer has a negative effect on her.

MariaR's timer has a positive effect on her.

[MariaR]

Alisae is town. Alisae is scum. Alisae is ?
Taly is town.
Alisae is ?
Enter is town.
Gamma Emerald is ?
Bulbazak is scum.
Dunnstral is town.
Pink Ball is ?
Pink Ball is ?
Aristophanes is ?
Lady lambdaDelta is town.
PenguinPower is ?
Pine is ?

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

Trying to understand MariaR's condition is a waste of time

[MariaR]

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Bulbazak

[MariaR]

I'M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[MariaR]

WHOEVER DID THAT FOR ME THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH I CAN SPEAK NOW

[MariaR]

Hello!

Hi friend!
Anyway can we please vote the obvious as hell scum Bulbzak thank you

[MariaR]

Bulb is scum taking advantage of the situation. mastina is a 3p aka not town and we're getting rid of that problem. Mastina can lie or 'bend the truth' however she wants. She's still claiming 3p and needs to die. I don't care how easy her wincon is it's not town. Trying to go like 'scum are on this wagon' is really bad and ignorant.

Hey Enter gets it!
pedit: How much you wanna know?

[MariaR]

Bulb is scum taking advantage of the situation.

How is he taking advantage of the situation?

Pretty I just explained or do you still not understand

[MariaR]

Bulb is scum taking advantage of the situation. mastina is a 3p aka not town and we're getting rid of that problem. Mastina can lie or 'bend the truth' however she wants. She's still claiming 3p and needs to die. I don't care how easy her wincon is it's not town. Trying to go like 'scum are on this wagon' is really bad and ignorant.

Hey Enter gets it!
pedit: How much you wanna know?

I want to know what Peyote means

Nothing, it was the statement I had to make

[MariaR]

@Enter: You still have yet to give a reason why masturbating would be bad.

p-edit: This neutral 3rd party fear has always been bull crap. Most players with a neutral 3rd party still have a town bent, which means they are more likely to help town than scum if given the choice. Lynching them wastes a lynch and ignores any help they can give. They are an easy wagon for scum to push and hide on. If you want to vig them, fine, but if the objective is easily obtainable and does not go against our wincon, there's no point wasting time trying to kill them.

You're basing this under the assumption the claim is true to begin with. We have no proof over it.

[MariaR]

We have proof that part of the claim exists we have no proof on what it does or what mastina gets etc.

You trying to say 'scum are on the wagon for knowing otherwise' is really shady when you should know that not everything is as black and white as mastina telling the truth.

What's black and white is she's a 3rd party we can get rid of

[MariaR]

I'm sorry for what I just did to someone but I had no choice weee

[MariaR]

Owowow get the prod stick away from meeee

Catch up later when I care

[MariaR]

Taly to answer your question.

I think Mastina needs to go because I don't know if all her claim is true and it probably has extra stuff to it she's not telling us. Do I think she needs to die Day 1? No. Does she need to die? Yes

[MariaR]

Aren't you supposed to be posting that post restriction I gave you? Or, are you just immune to that cause you're scum~

[MariaR]

Why don't you explain how it's a scum mentality instead of just trying to use buzz words hm?

[MariaR]

Wait, when did I vote Pine?

VOTE: PP

That's not an alt slip.



VOTE: PP

Wait was this not an outted alt nani

[MariaR]

I can't tell if Alisae is scum or purposely dense but I lean the latter

[MariaR]

Post a chill song for me to smoke too. Any player that posts a song by the end of 4/22/20 will earn $1.

The challenge lasts from 4/20/20 to 4/22/20 because 4/22 is 4/20 too.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Ari

[MariaR]

Thank god if that conversation wasn't over soon I was gonna bash my head into a wall.

[MariaR]

Does that mean I’m clear~

[MariaR]

Or we can Lynch scum lld one of the 2

[MariaR]

Doubt.

[MariaR]

If I go next and it ends it proves lld scum right?

Or are you all that worried about my scum game that I need to go last.

Hint: if you think scum me would allow this you’re wrong.

[MariaR]

Hint: if you think scum me would allow this you’re wrong.

You're acting like you have the power to stop this. The events of the past day show that clearly isn't the case.

I've always had the power to stop this. I could've done the mastina thing whenever I wanted.

[MariaR]

I masturbate

anyway

[MariaR]

oh no scum is voting me aaa

[MariaR]

Why don't you explain how I outted myself I'll wait.

[MariaR]

Okay, but why would scum put themselves in this situation in the first place when they had plenty of time to get out of it in the first place? Sure, you could argue the same thing for LLD I suppose but when you have ample chances to get out of it scum are obviously going to take it.

From my point of view, I got a bit of consent to do it so I did it because if LLD was town and I went last the likely hood of her getting lynched in my eyes is a lot higher than me getting lynched. Along with the chance of getting scum LLD. I wouldn't have asked if I only did it for the reason of 'OH I THINK LLD IS SCUM SO I'M GONNA GO FOR IT.' No, that's stupid. Plus, me being clear wouldn't have added more to the game then say LLD being clear. Because if I was a conf town I would've just sat on my thumbs and went 'cool what next.' Plus, I hate being clear in the first place.

But your argument and the timing of it falls flat in the first place.

[MariaR]

Oh there's also the fact LLD won't lie about what I gave her too but I'm not gonna act like I took that into consideration at the time.

[MariaR]

I don't think anyone was counting on Pine randomly having a change of heart. That threw everything in the air and made Reck leaving today instead of tomorrow more likely. In that case, you probably wouldn't have gone last, as Bingle was hard pushing for Pine to be one of the last to claim.

Also, weren't you just saying that LLD was a scum read?

Yes, yes I was and now she's conf town. What else am I exactly supposed to say here? Also Pine isn't the issue, no one is the issue. If you're scum here and you see someone saying 'Hey guys all town need to do this' scum don't take that chance and they fully support it if it becomes a thing, not wait until the last 2 people. That's just idiotic and there's no way scum me would do that, or any scum for that matter.

[MariaR]

I also think LLD being conf. town makes her more likely to get killed than you being conf. town would. You just put a huge target on her.

You're right I don't think I would've been killed, but I don't care about that factor because I hate being conf town anyway.

[MariaR]

Or we can Lynch scum lld one of the 2

You could both be town

Doubt.

hey bby

wanna die?

Of course lovely! I'll jump into your arms anytime <3

[MariaR]

Why don't you use buzzwords and explain how I'm even remotely scummy. Because I'm pretty self aware and I know dam sure nothing I've been doing is scummy.

[MariaR]

I don't think anyone was counting on Pine randomly having a change of heart. That threw everything in the air and made Reck leaving today instead of tomorrow more likely. In that case, you probably wouldn't have gone last, as Bingle was hard pushing for Pine to be one of the last to claim.

Also, weren't you just saying that LLD was a scum read?

Yes, yes I was and now she's conf town. What else am I exactly supposed to say here? Also Pine isn't the issue, no one is the issue. If you're scum here and you see someone saying 'Hey guys all town need to do this' scum don't take that chance and they fully support it if it becomes a thing, not wait until the last 2 people. That's just idiotic and there's no way scum me would do that, or any scum for that matter.

If scum is given this option {vote out of order and “scum claim,” or vote in order and become confirmed scum} you don’t know the scum would take the first option? The first option isn’t a mechanical guilty and they can talk their way out of it. The latter is a mechanical guilty that cannot be talked out of.

And what I'm trying to point out here is scum never put themselves in that spot in the first place. So they can avoid this situation. What question that has not come up and would be a logical one is 'but Maria weren't you scumreading LLD why would you wanna go before her with that logic?' Good question! The answer is LLD has been afk for a ton of the game and it wouldn't surprise me if she was demotivated due to the posting restrictions.

So what's super scummy about me going before her hm? I've yet to hear a good answer.

[MariaR]

It's not like this was a shocking new twist we heard yesterday. We knew this when Mastina claimed at day start. So what do scum do here? They either

A) Masturbate at some point and don't get caught. (This isn't even taking into consideration other 3ps that could be out there)

B) Lynch it to get rid of the issue

C) Do both.

No one has said it's B which I tried to do, so that can't be it. Because that would put into question a lot of other people. Didn't do A or C either. So I don't see how you can be calling me scum here. It's machinability and logically stupid unless you think my scum game is that bad that I wouldn't notice such a glaring factor.

[MariaR]

Do I need to get into the part where I was post restricted and could've kept going but chose to ya know...speak?

[MariaR]

If you can't answer those questions you should be unvoting me.
pedit: Yes someone made it so I was able to give away my posting restriction. But, why would I give it away as scum? I can think of a few reasons of course but the pros outway the cons.

[MariaR]

I mean I don’t know why scum would be in that situation, it’s possible because you were away for much of the game. The same thing could be said about why you didn’t blow your money in furret v2 despite getting wagoned heavily near end of day.

I’m not sure why you’re scumreading LLD when she’s playing like you’ve played today. Also, you getting conftown over LLD doesn’t mean you can’t lynch LLD. I think you’re using an earlier misstep of being in this non-masturbator pool as reason to not scum read you.

Pine can vouch for the first part that we actively agreed as a scumteam for me to not use my money because we didn't expect me to be lynched. That was the first time in my whole mafia career I've been lynched day 1 as scum. So yes, if you don't know why scum would be there it's because they wouldn't do it. Sure I haven't been the most active but I haven't been dead in the water that I'd notice the rapid increase in people agreeing to it. I could also put myself into a spot where I just do it early and forget about it.

I disagree with you, I think LLD wasn't playing how I would but that's because I wasn't really playing for obvious reasons. Along with her posting that I felt was more overeager than normal. Also, I am one of the better scum players on this site I don't think that's an unfair statement to make. I wouldn't make such a misstep. Unless you want to assume all scum missed this and didn't make a plan in advance?

[MariaR]

As for why you specifically being in the non masturbator pool, it could be just because of your PR and by the time you were freed to talk, the game had evolved into such a way where you couldn’t just willy nilly do it.

What you're not understanding is just because I was post restricted doesn't mean I couldn't join. See:

I'm game.

I masterbate.

Peyote is a spanish word derived from the Aztec origin meaning glistening.

I got asked if this meant I was joining in on the trend so to speak. I said no. I was able to join in from the start but I was obviously not with the trend.

Pine is towny btw.

[MariaR]

And before you say

'How do we know you were able to masturbate post restricted' Think about it from a game sense. Sure this is a bastard game but Gin wouldn't make it so I would be outted day 1. Because if I wasn't able to masturbate before my thing was up and I am scum like you are assuming I would be automatically outted. Remember I am only able to speak due to someone else action.

[MariaR]

I thought your PR was you could only quote people and post that Peyote thing? I don’t think quoting someone masturbating would allow you to join.

It would because the mod pm'd me themselves asking about it.

[MariaR]

So who do you scumread now that LLD is conftown?

Blub>Ari>Ali

So, that should prove why I'm not scum I've given you every reason and logic/proof to back it up. You can unvote me

[MariaR]

I asked if I could go. The only person who said no was someone who I am scumreading. Along with the facts that I explained before.

A) I hate being conf town, I wouldn't be trying at the moment if I was conf town, I'd probably be lazy lurking. I don't want to be conf town to help my own reads because I hate playing like that.

B) There was a way to catch scum from my own POV

C) It's not like the mass of people said no, otherwise I would've switched it. Also along me to bring up the very simple fact. Scum don't put themselves here in the first place. I was not forced into this spot, I had all the time in the world. So why the hell does scum me do this hm? You're skipping over key points.

[MariaR]

Well I'm off to work. Feel free to fresh out your reasoning a little bit more because it's very much needed.

Look at Alisae most. Blub is at least somewhat explaining. Cya later!

[MariaR]

Will post tonight after dnd. I'm busy until then

[MariaR]

Wait it's 5 hours fuck I'm taking my lunch break one sec.

[MariaR]

God so many vvotes on me were out of left field with no logic or outright scummy. Ah well prob some 3ps in the mix. Gob and Bin seem fine Pine is odd with that flip out of left field.

Other 3 need to die with a fire.

If people can't understand simple basic logic on why I'm town and you're going to let your paranoia lynch me day 1 then there's not much I can do. It's pretty annoying when I've given perfect reasoning on why I'm town.

[MariaR]

let's see 3 people outright didn't explain why they're voting me
1 didn't read my posts
2 did explain kudos to you

yeah pretty annoying situation to be in. I should probably retire if I'm getting this annoyed by it

[MariaR]

People deserve attention when I flip town and you can see how shitty there votes were

but don't let the people sitting on the sidelines go by unchecked as well there's been some oddly quiet people off my wagon. Because I don't think anyone has expressed a tr on me yet they're not voting me.

[MariaR]

I suppose I could go back and explain why Blubs post is outright ludicrous, but I don't think that would change anyone's minds at this point and it'd just be more dishearting when I die. You know my reads. I'll be lurking in the thread playing games.

[MariaR]

Let’s kill this. It has LLD stamp of approval

VOTE: Pine

VOTE: Pine

[MariaR]

I was post restricted and had to post a saying every hour. For every hour I missed the size went up by 1

I got upgraded so I could speak normally

[MariaR]

What a fair and fun game. Boy do I love Ginngie mafia

[MariaR]