Well I do care, because if we can figure it out today the game probably ends and if not, I’ll agree to do it your way.In post 3269, beeboy wrote:Tbh, I win regardless of whether or not Dunnstral or Clover are scum.
I don't actually care enough to figure out who it is.
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But we mislynched her, so how is the net result of that different? Fine. I’ll vote no lynch eventhough MT or me probably dies tonight. I really don’t think I’m wrong but I obviously can’t force anyone to listen to me.In post 3279, Morning Tweet wrote:
No if scum!Dunn killed Dru N3 he loses the game when everyone in the game simultaneously goes "Holy fuck that's a lot of power roles"In post 3271, Raven Branwen wrote:
I just don’t see how Dunn makes more sense than Clover especially after he was Dru’s guess for last mafia. She only tr him because she was convinced that no kill meant mafia was dead and a two 3P scumteam.In post 3267, beeboy wrote:
Unless you can tell me why this doesn't result in us winning.In post 3263, beeboy wrote:So Raven think about it like this.
We no lynch, Dunnstral gets shot. You are alive and lynch Clover.
We no lynch, You get shot. Dunnstral claims a guilty on Clover.
Like it's just the safer way to win the same way?
I am not going to vote Clover tbh.
I am not stopping us from winning by suggesting this and I don't gain anything by being more right.
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My point is that scum didn’t kill her. Can anyone ISO Dru, so I know I’m not actually crazy here? Thanks.In post 3282, Morning Tweet wrote:
If Dru is a sensible nightkill from an outsider's perspective, her reads don't matter at all. She needed to die because she was a PR that guiltied Chara. Her reads do not matter. Clover totally could have killed her-- so would I have, and so would any person as scum. Her reads wouldnt get her killed, her role would haveIn post 3278, Raven Branwen wrote:Dru made all of these posts suspecting Clover on D3, so her dying via an NK, would look worse for Clover than anyone else on the playerlist. That’s why I think there was a no kill N3.-
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A moment of brilliance paragon nom would also be nice.In post 3287, beeboy wrote:Raven if Clover is scum I'll stall my vote to give myself time to make you a victory graphic ok
Me and MT just want to play it safe cause we are cautious.
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But she still flipped, so from Dunn’s pov, what possible difference does it make? But if you read Dru ISO. it definitely does from Clover’s.In post 3291, beeboy wrote:Dunn had to leave Dru alive.
I was actively pushing the idea town had too much power.
The distraction was needed.
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No, you all are missing my point. You’re saying that scum!Dunn didn’t NK Dru to create a distraction from the whole stacked town thing. My counter is that she still got flipped. so it didn’t really help Dunn not to kill herbut since Dru waz suspecting Clover until D4, it actually was in his interest to not directly kill her and unlike Dunn. bee eventual flip doesn’t hurt him at all. With Dunn, it’s the flip in general that looks bad, not if he had NK’d her or not, which is why I’m saying it points to Clover being scum over Dunn.-
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Dunn claimed an inno on Clover N2, where Dru saw that Chara was the only one to have visited Kanna, therefore that inno is null and void, because WE FREAKING KNOW CHARA KILLED KANNA.In post 3301, beeboy wrote:In post 3298, Raven Branwen wrote:But she still flipped, so from Dunn’s pov, what possible difference does it make? But if you read Dru ISO. it definitely does from Clover’s.
My point is that if you’re scum!Dunn trying to cause a distraction by not killing Dru, how helpful is it really if she still gets flipped? Otoh, it’s definitely to Clover’s advantage not to directly kill her.
I don't actually think Dunn is scum that much I really think it could be either Clover or Dunn.
I just don't want you to jump through hoops in f3 to vote someone Dunn claimed an inno on.
Or rationalize a world in which Dunn faked a guilty on someone.
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In post 3306, beeboy wrote:I am not saying Dunn is scum.
I am saying it's a world that I believe no lynching and trusting results is worth playing around.
You guys do what you want. Your argument for Dunn scum is basically that he didn’t kill Dru for the town stacked thing. My argument is that she still got flipped anyway, so Dru not being NK’d didn’t really help scum!Dunn but since Clover was Dru’s pick for last mafia D3, Dru being mislynched > being NK’d definitely would help scum!Clover.In post 3307, Morning Tweet wrote:
Yea basicallybeeboy wrote:Raven you do understand that if Dunn claims an incorrect result that you have to kill him right?
That's like the only thing me and MT are worried about tbh.
I'm guessing Dunn claims an innocent on Beeboy tomorrow. You can get rid of Clover first, but you HAVE to kill Dunn after that if it doesn't end the game. Do not let Dunn get away with a fake guilty or fake inno-
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Hallelujah, someone is getting it.In post 3312, beeboy wrote:Clover not submitting a kill n2 means literally nothing.
We know Tux submitted the kill n2?
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Explain this? Your results only clear me N1, correct?In post 3317, Dunnstral wrote:
That is correct, except it also means they didn't kill n1In post 3312, beeboy wrote:Clover not submitting a kill n2 means literally nothing.
We know Tux submitted the kill n2?
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In post 3324, Morning Tweet wrote:The ability applies to the night of and the previous night
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I wanted to wait a few days and not just rush this. Scum might as well have killed me last night but probably didn’t anticipate this.In post 3330, Raven Branwen wrote:VOTE: No Pressure
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We still could have done a full ISO read of Dru but none of you bothered. :/-
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Why would it have hurt for someone do do a full Dru ISO before we rammed this through?In post 3333, beeboy wrote:Scum mech locked themselves not killing Dunn.
Or it's Dunn.
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If I die tonight, I want someone to promise me they will do this.In post 3335, Raven Branwen wrote:
Why would it have hurt for someone do do a full Dru ISO before we rammed this through?In post 3333, beeboy wrote:Scum mech locked themselves not killing Dunn.
Or it's Dunn.
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If I don’t die, I will do it. @MT, please promise me you will ISO Dru tomorrow if I’m dead? Please?In post 3337, Raven Branwen wrote:
If I die tonight, I want someone to promise me they will do this.In post 3335, Raven Branwen wrote:
Why would it have hurt for someone do do a full Dru ISO before we rammed this through?In post 3333, beeboy wrote:Scum mech locked themselves not killing Dunn.
Or it's Dunn.
It straight up doesn't matter lol.-
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Just wanted to point out Clover gave no opinion on my theory, he just straight up voted.In post 3338, beeboy wrote:Sure.-
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Because the case on scum!Dunn doesn’t add up like it does for scum!Clover.
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Why didn’t you check Clover?In post 3358, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah Raven Branwen didn't make the kill, so you can bump-off me then Clover
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But I would never kill Skitter. She was never voting me, that’s practically a soft clear. I honestly think you actually believe this makes sense though and I don’t understand why scum!you no kills N3. I think you’re probably town because you’re freaking sucidal self-sabotaging scum if you are.In post 3368, Dunnstral wrote:
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Why didn’t you check Clover?In post 3358, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah Raven Branwen didn't make the kill, so you can bump-off me then Clover
VOTE: Dunnstral
Best case scenario is clover is scum, and I do believe clover gets eliminated regardless
Worst case scenario is you were scum, and I believe you could have beaten Beeboy in limlo
I think Clover had the most incentive to no kill and Dru totally bought into the mafia must be dead thing and switch her suspicions from him to tin foil some 3P scumteam.
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No because Skitter kill softclears me because why would scum!me ever kill a slot that was never voting me? Think. God.In post 3370, Dunnstral wrote:
If you're mafia and you killed me last night, that means MT is still alive, midway is cleared, etc. Then it's just you, beeboy, Raven. And you surely get eliminated there.In post 3366, Clover Ebi wrote:If you're town I don't see how scum doesn't have a role to avoid you/the watcher. Do you really believe I'm a mafia goon who just decided to leave you alive? I'm willing to listen if you think that's the case but uh, I don't see it-
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I was definitely not happy about that.In post 3380, beeboy wrote:Clover why did you quick hammer with no discussion yesterday?
I told Dunn to check you because that was basically a scum claim.
Btw @MT, sorry if I was a but rattled yesterday. <3-
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I believe he believes it but scum!me never ever kills the slot that is 100% never voting me, so I still think it was a bad call but whatever.In post 3377, beeboy wrote:I think Dunnstral as scum was to some degree playing to his out. But he also presented fair logic if he believed I was 100% town and both himself and you die anyway it didn't matter. So he might as well check Raven.
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Hello bee, wifom calling?In post 3392, beeboy wrote:MT isn't the kill Clover makes if leaving Dunnstral alive is worth it.
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You rammed through Dru and now you’re doing the exact same thing with Dunn, why do you keep rushing this?In post 3399, beeboy wrote:
When WIFOM calls I just play level 1 mafia.In post 3397, Raven Branwen wrote:
Hello bee, wifom calling?In post 3392, beeboy wrote:MT isn't the kill Clover makes if leaving Dunnstral alive is worth it.
Midway is.
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We have 6 days. Dunn checking me was suboptimal and not great reasoning but that doesn’t necessarily make him scum. Why does scum even have a role like Dunn’s? Have you considered that?In post 3404, beeboy wrote:UNVOTE:
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I want to win this game and you don’t get to throw so you feel less guilty about Dru. What you do is learn and not repeat your mistake.In post 3409, beeboy wrote:If Dunnstral flips scum then I don't have to feel like shit about lynching Dru.
Because my entire theory on Scum needing to be in the PR claims would be correct.
As soon as I back down on that, I basically lynched Dru to fulfill half a theory.-
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Sorry if that’s harsh but I like to do things logically.In post 3412, Raven Branwen wrote:
I want to win this game and you don’t get to throw so you feel less guilty about Dru. What you do is learn and not repeat your mistake.In post 3409, beeboy wrote:If Dunnstral flips scum then I don't have to feel like shit about lynching Dru.
Because my entire theory on Scum needing to be in the PR claims would be correct.
As soon as I back down on that, I basically lynched Dru to fulfill half a theory.-
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Dru was very likely framed. I wrongly believed the no kill pointed to her, so who does the no kill most likely point to? Why does scum!Dunn no kill? Even if you argue that he doesn’t kill Dru, why a no kill? That’s what I can’t wrap my brain around. Why not kill MT, me or Skitter?In post 3409, beeboy wrote:If Dunnstral flips scum then I don't have to feel like shit about lynching Dru.
Because my entire theory on Scum needing to be in the PR claims would be correct.
As soon as I back down on that, I basically lynched Dru to fulfill half a theory.-
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I don’t remember, probably a few people. I think MT was one. On D3, Clover was Dru’s #1 sr and pick for last mafia but when the no kill happened, she totally abandoned that in favour of a 2 3P scumteam.In post 3416, Dunnstral wrote:Who was arguing that nokill = Dru scum?
@bee, how much experience do you have playing with Dunn? I have plenty and he’s a pretty decent scumplayer and I think he would know an MT kill would look bad for him. Like I said, if I’m scum!Clover, I 100% kill MT here.-
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I seriously think that if scum hadn’t no killed, Dru would have never made that bizarre tin foil and might have not been mislynched. And scum!Dunn really has no incentive to make Dru look bad, quite the opposite in fact. It’s in his interest to hard defend her but he took a completely neutral approach.In post 3421, Dunnstral wrote:
Found itIn post 2765, Morning Tweet wrote:I don't really believe in the extra scumteam theory too much and could reasonably see a scum!Dru try to get raven/skitts or beeboy/dunn exiles by no-killing and pushing that theory.-
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You were in TF, you know I’m pretty good at scum, because I know how scum think. You should have killed me instead of MT or MWB even bee. Leaving me alive was your downfall.In post 3422, Clover Ebi wrote:I don't really want to deal with Raven trying to power a lynch on me again so I don't mind dying if it means I don't have to deal with that anymore.-
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I’m saying that Clover seriously underestimated me. Do you know how I won so many of my scumgames? I made all the right NAs. Remember Clover, when I won my first scumgame on MU? I chose all the NKs. I excel at judging optics.In post 3428, Dunnstral wrote:mwb and bee are still alive though-
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I still 100% never kill Skitter regardless because I’m not an idiot.In post 3430, Raven Branwen wrote:
I’m saying that Clover seriously underestimated me. Do you know how I won so many of my scumgames? I made all the right NAs. Remember Clover, when I won my first scumgame on MU? I chose all the NKs. I excel at judging optics.In post 3428, Dunnstral wrote:mwb and bee are still alive though-
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UNVOTE:In post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:Raven if I was scum you'd be dead because of how uncomfortable you make me. No if and or buts about it. Please do not interact with me for the remainder of the game if you can help it. If you want to push me as scum so be it, but this is a game of mafia meant for fun and you do not make this fun. I am not blaming you for this, it's probably more me then you. But I hope you'll respect my wishes.
Moving on.
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Dunnstral being scum we've already debated on and it should be obvious as to why. The only scumteam that makes sense to no kill and I think we can make a good assumption to this. Is a scum team that knows a detective is in the game. Who knew this at the time? Dunnstral and Beeboy. Nothing else makes sense here on why scum would no kill. Dunnstral showing no paranoia or finding it odd that he's seemingly left alive and just getting results is also quite strange. He doesn't even consider that his results might be wrong.
The question you need to ask if you think Dunnstral isn't mafia is why does the last scum put themselves in a spot that would be nearly auto loss? It just doesn't make a lot of sense without some manner of avoiding the detective.
As for why I'm not scum I feel like the last scum would have to be pretty daring and I think I've shown that isn't me? Combine with the fact I would have to fake my day 1 and scum me would never be able to do that is surreal. Along with the matter that I would've openly let my partner die to dru knowing dru became whoever we lynched, a watcher in this case.
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Extremely unlikely, Hectic would put two scum in a PT. Midway’s role clearly means that Lillith and Star were paired with both scum.In post 3436, Dunnstral wrote:
Are you saying we're both scum?In post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:Is a scum team that knows a detective is in the game. Who knew this at the time? Dunnstral and Beeboy.-
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In what world do you think I ever kill Skitter, seriously? You know she was 100% never ever voting me, right?In post 3438, Dunnstral wrote:Not really? It still results in Clover being killed, even if that happens after me
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If Dunn flipped werewolf cop, then that would prove midway is clear, so why would you do that?In post 3446, Clover Ebi wrote:
I haven't pushed beeboy once so I have no idea what narrative you're trying to make up right now. Did you misunderstand my words or something? If you flipped werewolf I would vote MidwayIn post 3442, Dunnstral wrote:
So are you pushing beeboy right now or whatIn post 3439, Clover Ebi wrote:
You tell me. You don't find this odd or strange? No questions about it at all? The fact you're being so narrowed minded about this makes me want to believe you less and less.In post 3434, Dunnstral wrote:
So what's the answer to this? Because this question doesn't exclude youIn post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:The question you need to ask if you think Dunnstral isn't mafia is why does the last scum put themselves in a spot that would be nearly auto loss?
No? How'd you get that?In post 3436, Dunnstral wrote:
Are you saying we're both scum?In post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:Is a scum team that knows a detective is in the game. Who knew this at the time? Dunnstral and Beeboy.
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While I’m pretty sure bee is town. I want to know Dunn’s reasons for hard tr him.In post 3449, Dunnstral wrote:
Because you said scum would have some way to avoid my check, t hen mentioned the only people who knew who I was checking would be me or beeboy, i thought you were implying something thereIn post 3446, Clover Ebi wrote:I haven't pushed beeboy once so I have no idea what narrative you're trying to make up right now.-
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Don’t you think scum!me kills ANYONE other than Skitter here, including you? But whatever I still think it’s you, @Clover. I think killing MT looks really bad for Dunn, which is why I don’t think he did. I don’t know who he would kill but I think it’s very likely not MT. Even if he’s scum, he’s not newb scum and based off of PoE, you make the most sense unless bee has totally fooled all of us and I don’t think so.In post 3447, Dunnstral wrote:I can't see into your pt so I wouldn't know though
Obv you aren't scum but if you were and Skitter changed her opinion in the pt maybe then you'd kill her
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Why wouldn’t they?
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I know you’re asking midway but I still think it’s Clover > Dunn. I don’t know why him saying my sr him is making him “uncomfortable” clearing?In post 3458, beeboy wrote:I think I've changed my mind on who I want to vote 4 times now.
@Midway what do you think?
Being pushed always makes the recipient uncomfortable, that’s 100% NIA.-
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Yet another reason. Why does Clover say he would vote midway if Dunn flips ww cop? He should have obviously said bee, since Dunn flipping ww detective clears both midway and myself.In post 3457, Dunnstral wrote:Clover you realize you won't be voting out midway tomorrow...-
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This could be 100% NIA but the kind of thinking that would overlook a Dunn ww detective flip would clear midway. is more likely to come from scum than town.In post 3446, Clover Ebi wrote:
I haven't pushed beeboy once so I have no idea what narrative you're trying to make up right now. Did you misunderstand my words or something? If you flipped werewolf I would vote MidwayIn post 3442, Dunnstral wrote:
So are you pushing beeboy right now or whatIn post 3439, Clover Ebi wrote:
You tell me. You don't find this odd or strange? No questions about it at all? The fact you're being so narrowed minded about this makes me want to believe you less and less.In post 3434, Dunnstral wrote:
So what's the answer to this? Because this question doesn't exclude youIn post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:The question you need to ask if you think Dunnstral isn't mafia is why does the last scum put themselves in a spot that would be nearly auto loss?
No? How'd you get that?In post 3436, Dunnstral wrote:
Are you saying we're both scum?In post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:Is a scum team that knows a detective is in the game. Who knew this at the time? Dunnstral and Beeboy.
If I flip wolf detective what does that mean-
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@bee, how much actual solving has Dunn done in the past two days? Then ask yourself the exact same question about Clover?
Dunn has been actively trying to solve both days. Clover does practically nothing yesterday and today he does an AtE and says he’d vote midway if Dunn flips ww.
In both games I played with town!him, he was actively solving. And remember when I made my obvtown Skitter case? Clover responded to that by naked voting her.-
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While I obviously disagree with Dunn’s thinking here, this sounds like a townie thought. When I confronted scum!Dunn in a past game, he didn’t respond anything like this.In post 3447, Dunnstral wrote:I can't see into your pt so I wouldn't know though
Obv you aren't scum but if you were and Skitter changed her opinion in the pt maybe then you'd kill her
What do you think I should have done? If I checked Clover and by chance he was town this would have been a much worse situation deciding between you and beeboy-
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Why would scum!you have to fake your D1? Everyone either got a ww or a mafia role pm, iow, everyone thought they had rolled scum. Why does Dru being mislynched townclear you? Prior to the no kill N3, you were her #1 sr. Having her be mislynched was totally optimal for scum!you but you know who it wasn’t optimal for? Dunn.In post 3431, Clover Ebi wrote:Raven if I was scum you'd be dead because of how uncomfortable you make me. No if and or buts about it. Please do not interact with me for the remainder of the game if you can help it. If you want to push me as scum so be it, but this is a game of mafia meant for fun and you do not make this fun. I am not blaming you for this, it's probably more me then you. But I hope you'll respect my wishes.
Moving on.
Dunnstral being scum we've already debated on and it should be obvious as to why. The only scumteam that makes sense to no kill and I think we can make a good assumption to this. Is a scum team that knows a detective is in the game. Who knew this at the time? Dunnstral and Beeboy. Nothing else makes sense here on why scum would no kill. Dunnstral showing no paranoia or finding it odd that he's seemingly left alive and just getting results is also quite strange. He doesn't even consider that his results might be wrong.
The question you need to ask if you think Dunnstral isn't mafia is why does the last scum put themselves in a spot that would be nearly auto loss? It just doesn't make a lot of sense without some manner of avoiding the detective.
As for why I'm not scum I feel like the last scum would have to be pretty daring and I think I've shown that isn't me? Combine with the fact I would have to fake my day 1 and scum me would never be able to do that is surreal. Along with the matter that I would've openly let my partner die to dru knowing dru became whoever we lynched, a watcher in this case.-
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Case in point. This is why a Dru mislynch was terrible for Dunn but he while he never pushed it, he didn’t try hard to stop it, knowing her flip would make him look bad. None of your arguments are making sense @Clover.In post 3409, beeboy wrote:If Dunnstral flips scum then I don't have to feel like shit about lynching Dru.
Because my entire theory on Scum needing to be in the PR claims would be correct.
As soon as I back down on that, I basically lynched Dru to fulfill half a theory.-
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I really would hate to think we lose because of that ridiculous no pressure thing. We’re 100% in a much worse position now, because of MT kill.
So @Clover what is your argument, @Dunn fakes a guilty on bee tomorrow and gets midway to mislynch bee? Bee is like 97% town. How do I know this? Because scum!bee would have already voted you.. Why did you say if Dunn flips ww, you were voting midwy? A Dunn detective ww flip. would confitown both midway and me, no? This read to me like a perspective slip.
I don’t understand why scum!Dunn no kills on N3. Why did Dru have you as her #1 scumread on D3? All of the other pairs were more or less tr each other but Dru scumread you as the last mafia until the no kill. Why do you think that is?
But you’re right, if Dunn is scum, then neither midway or me are clear though I really should be, since I never ever kill Skitter here.-
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My obvious fear is thanks to (sorry bee) bad no pressure decision, if we get it wrong, I’m probably dying tonight and whichever one of you is scum probably mislynches bee and loses us the game.
Why did you guys have to throw away yesterday? It 100% only served to benefit scum. It never made an iota of sense to me but MT was onboard and no one was listening to me.-
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We lost MT. Had we executed either you or Clover yesterday, we’d still be fine but without MT and if I (very likely) die tonight, we could very well be screwed and that was the main reasoning behind it, that you were supposed to investigate Clover. That was WHY we did that but instead you investigate me, making yesterday a complete waste.In post 3475, Dunnstral wrote:What do you mean? I don't think we lost anything by no eliminating yesterday-
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@Dunn, why did you leave me out of your townpile after you allegedly cleared me N1? And why would you feel the need to investigate me? Town!you has never incorrectly read me since that first game we played together, so how do you not know I’m super obvtown here? I’m having real trouble buying your reasoning for being suspicious of me at all after Skitter flip. Skitter made it crystal clear in the thread on D4, that I was her #1 tr, so you had 0 reasons to think that changed.