Silent Star 1: Lunacy

[Dunnstral]

What do you mean? I don't think we lost anything by no eliminating yesterday

[Raven Branwen]

UNVOTE:

@Dunn, you say you were worried about scum!me basically wiping the floor with bee as your reason for checking me but why not get a result on Clover?

God, I’m starting to think I was played brilliantly by scum!Dunn now.

[Raven Branwen]

What do you mean? I don't think we lost anything by no eliminating yesterday

We lost MT. Had we executed either you or Clover yesterday, we’d still be fine but without MT and if I (very likely) die tonight, we could very well be screwed and that was the main reasoning behind it, that you were supposed to investigate Clover. That was WHY we did that but instead you investigate me, making yesterday a complete waste.

[Raven Branwen]

@Dunn, why did you leave me out of your townpile after you allegedly cleared me N1? And why would you feel the need to investigate me? Town!you has never incorrectly read me since that first game we played together, so how do you not know I’m super obvtown here? I’m having real trouble buying your reasoning for being suspicious of me at all after Skitter flip. Skitter made it crystal clear in the thread on D4, that I was her #1 tr, so you had 0 reasons to think that changed.

[Raven Branwen]

Let us look at a world where Dunnstral is town. He’s basically a cop and mafia didn’t kill night 3 for..no reason? #1 We have no idea why. So now we know Dunnstral is going to check midway a person under heavy fire. Yes, Dunnstral wasn’t clear but the bottom line is he’s basically a cop that was left alive #2 The set up would be super stacked in werewolves favor even if you want to assume that the last mafia lied to their partner. Even night watch/Bodyguard/Detective/Cop/Backup vs 2 goons and ??? #3 Dunnstral also decided to check a global townread trying to go for the worst case outcome instead of the person most likely to be lynched #4 and lastly he only told his partner this when we went into night who was he was checking #5.

So if it’s not Dunnstral, whoever the mafia is basically left a cop alive risking auto loss, assuming and praying that they wouldn’t get checked instead of killing it. Along with the fact they didn’t kill randomly for reasons we don’t know about. This seems pretty odd if you ask me, and it’s a big stretch.

Now all the flaws I pointed out in the first point get solved if you look at it from Dunnstral scum.

#1 gets solved because the no kill means whoever Dunnstral checks n3 isn’t clear and no killing makes perfect sense because you know a Detective is in the game.
#2 The cop is alive because they can’t be killed and are fake
#3 He could be lying about his role for town credit. That brings up why didn’t he kill beeboy to change it and I will get into that in a moment.
#4 He knows that if I was clear he isn’t going to beat Raven in a three way because it results in either beeboy/Raven being the lynch at final 5 or himself. He doesn’t win that. Here his path is me>beeboy a much easier path.
#5 Dunnstral would’ve never got away with saying he was gonna check Raven in the public thread because that would’ve been a scum claim so he waited until night to do so when he’s alone with the person in his pocket to make it seem less scummy.

Going into more detail on why Dunnstral doesn’t kill beeboy here is rather simple for two reasons. 1) He needs beeboy as a ML down the line. 2) He doesn’t win the gamestate even without the det claim. Midway isn’t clear, but this gives him a lot more credit compared to just an empty slate. We would’ve gone for Dunnstral much sooner if it wasn’t for his claim, it kept him alive.

Cause it's not that scum wouldn't think that.
Scum wouldn't post that.

Hm? Why would scum me not tell someone to stop making me uncomfortable for how they’ve been treating me? It’s a simple request no?

God I feel so stupid now, this does make a lot of sense. Sorry Clover. :/

Dunn damn well knew the non pressure vote was precisely for him to check you and now he’s seriously asking why I think it’s a waste?

I think Clover is probably town now and I can’t believe I fell for all of that bs. Also, why investigate me over MT? It sounds really fishy to me.

[Raven Branwen]

And another thing, not a single one of Dunn’s invests have resulted in a guilty.

VOTE: Dunn

I don’t think Clover makes that case as scum.

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

@Dunn, you say you were worried about scum!me basically wiping the floor with bee as your reason for checking me but why not get a result on Clover?

God, I’m starting to think I was played brilliantly by scum!Dunn now. :oops:

Because Clover always gets eliminated over beeboy in my mind

[Dunnstral]

Also, why investigate me over MT?

MT was with the alignment cop who checked a member of the mafia, there was no way I was suspecting there

[Dunnstral]

Do what you must, just eliminate Clover tomorrow

[Raven Branwen]

Also, why investigate me over MT?

MT was with the alignment cop who checked a member of the mafia, there was no way I was suspecting there

And Skitter locktowned me so still bad argument. It’s also really convenient that MT also happens to be dead too. You know why we did the no pressure thing and it 100% wasn’t so you could investigate me. Bee clearly 100% believed you would be investigating Clover. He never would have pushed for that no pressure thing if he had any idea you would investigate me instead. You clearly misled him and in what world do you not seeing investigating me after an MT flip as the no pressure thing not being a waste of time? You investing me was 100% antitownand town!you should have opposed the no pressure thing, knowing you planned to mislead all of us. I think Clover is probably right and you know he’s town here.

[Raven Branwen]

Do what you must, just eliminate Clover tomorrow

Only if you actually do flip ww detective.

[Raven Branwen]

UNVOTE:

@Dunn, you say you were worried about scum!me basically wiping the floor with bee as your reason for checking me but why not get a result on Clover?

God, I’m starting to think I was played brilliantly by scum!Dunn now.

Because Clover always gets eliminated over beeboy in my mind

If Clover is scum and you had a guilty on him, we freaking win the game, wtf kind of argument is this even?

[Raven Branwen]

Let us look at a world where Dunnstral is town. He’s basically a cop and mafia didn’t kill night 3 for..no reason? #1 We have no idea why. So now we know Dunnstral is going to check midway a person under heavy fire. Yes, Dunnstral wasn’t clear but the bottom line is he’s basically a cop that was left alive #2 The set up would be super stacked in werewolves favor even if you want to assume that the last mafia lied to their partner. Even night watch/Bodyguard/Detective/Cop/Backup vs 2 goons and ??? #3 Dunnstral also decided to check a global townread trying to go for the worst case outcome instead of the person most likely to be lynched #4 and lastly he only told his partner this when we went into night who was he was checking #5.

So if it’s not Dunnstral, whoever the mafia is basically left a cop alive risking auto loss, assuming and praying that they wouldn’t get checked instead of killing it. Along with the fact they didn’t kill randomly for reasons we don’t know about. This seems pretty odd if you ask me, and it’s a big stretch.

Now all the flaws I pointed out in the first point get solved if you look at it from Dunnstral scum.

#1 gets solved because the no kill means whoever Dunnstral checks n3 isn’t clear and no killing makes perfect sense because you know a Detective is in the game.
#2 The cop is alive because they can’t be killed and are fake
#3 He could be lying about his role for town credit. That brings up why didn’t he kill beeboy to change it and I will get into that in a moment.
#4 He knows that if I was clear he isn’t going to beat Raven in a three way because it results in either beeboy/Raven being the lynch at final 5 or himself. He doesn’t win that. Here his path is me>beeboy a much easier path.
#5 Dunnstral would’ve never got away with saying he was gonna check Raven in the public thread because that would’ve been a scum claim so he waited until night to do so when he’s alone with the person in his pocket to make it seem less scummy.

Going into more detail on why Dunnstral doesn’t kill beeboy here is rather simple for two reasons. 1) He needs beeboy as a ML down the line. 2) He doesn’t win the gamestate even without the det claim. Midway isn’t clear, but this gives him a lot more credit compared to just an empty slate. We would’ve gone for Dunnstral much sooner if it wasn’t for his claim, it kept him alive.

Cause it's not that scum wouldn't think that.
Scum wouldn't post that.

Hm? Why would scum me not tell someone to stop making me uncomfortable for how they’ve been treating me? It’s a simple request no?

Sorry Dunn, I’m not that stupid. Skitter would have never fallen for this, no wonder she’s dead instead of me.

[midwaybear]

Why do you think Dunn chose to fake claim a power role?

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

@Dunn, you say you were worried about scum!me basically wiping the floor with bee as your reason for checking me but why not get a result on Clover?

God, I’m starting to think I was played brilliantly by scum!Dunn now. :oops:

Because Clover always gets eliminated over beeboy in my mind

If Clover is scum and you had a guilty on him, we freaking win the game, wtf kind of argument is this even?

But if he's not scum, and I check him we probably lose

That's why I checked you

[Dunnstral]

Raven & Midway

Are you guys going to vote clover tomorrow or what

[beeboy]

On a 1-10 scale how predicatable was it Dunn would cop Clover over Raven?

[beeboy]

I'll be honest order isn't a huge deal to me as long as both die, but that is something that went through my head.

[beeboy]

On a 1-10 scale how predicatable was it Dunn would cop Clover over Raven?

Raven over Clover.
I am at around a 3 on this, and I have the edge of having my own PT.

[Hectic]

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Votecount 6.1

[2] Dunnstral:

Clover Ebi, Raven Branwen

[1] Clover Ebi:

Dunnstral

[2] Not Voting:

midwaybear, beeboy

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to trebuchet someone.
The Day 6 deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-02 22:26:03).

[beeboy]

ik I've spent the entire day saying I want to kill Dunn first.
But not waiting for midway is kinda scum bag.

[Clover Ebi]

I'm around if I need to answer anymore questions, but I don't see any?

[midwaybear]

Why do you think Dunn chose to fake claim a power role?

[Dunnstral]

He won't be able to answer that

[Clover Ebi]

Why do you think Dunn chose to fake claim a power role?

I already did answer that though! Because either A) Dunnstral wasn't expecting to be the last scum alive given how the rug came out from under them so fast. or B) Because without it we would've lynched Dunnstral much sooner. He needed that power role to stay alive and make a play.