Mini 2260: Achromatic Calamity || Game Over

[anahit]

[anahit]

the hidden

for it seems that everything hides us.
look: trees do exist;
the houses that we live in still stand.
we alone fly past all things, as fugitive as the wind.
and all things conspire to keep silent about us,
half out of shame perhaps, half as unutterable hope.

[anahit]

VOTE: Alri

Seems a bit hypocritical for Lavender, and the other surviving and/or resurrected Knights to continue calling themselves by colors...

does this have something to do with edensflame's misspelt vote?

it seems lavender is hiding among us, but is it the same lavender?

is pooky running it back as rainbow knight?

[anahit]

names

yours is very very good A+

[anahit]

shiki do you ever listen to a song on youtube and enjoy it so much because it just

feels

incredibly right but you remember nothing about the lyrics.

Then months later you want to find the song again but the only thing you can remember is the way her dress draped around her body and how her lips moved but not any of the words of the song and you can't find it anymore it fades away into oblivion.

maybe not exactly this but i often have like a fleeting line from or song or perhaps a poem or a brief image that could have been from anything in my mind and will spend an inordinate amount of time searching for its source oftentimes unsuccessfully

[anahit]

is pooky running it back as rainbow knight?

I think a piece of me died when Ceph shattered my heart the way he did.

Still the greatest injustice of all.

I wanted so much to tell him more but Lavender bade me be silent and I have so many regrets about not chasing the love that I wanted.

so is that a yes or a no with regards to you currently being the rainbow knight?

[anahit]

I think the problem is that there are segments of me that burn very brightly for a little bit but the vast majority is tied up in the endless molasse of mediocrity, comfort and laziness.

sometimes it is like a spark ignites me into

something

instead of

nothing

and it isn't a little ignition but rather like a star but it consumes me and there is no way for it to not

[anahit]

would've been pretty funny if Tweetie made me her again though

did you think about

how you would make a non-dance game

in this universe?

[anahit]

shiki do you ever listen to a song on youtube and enjoy it so much because it just

feels

incredibly right but you remember nothing about the lyrics.

Then months later you want to find the song again but the only thing you can remember is the way her dress draped around her body and how her lips moved but not any of the words of the song and you can't find it anymore it fades away into oblivion.

maybe not exactly this but i often have like a fleeting line from or song or perhaps a poem or a brief image that could have been from anything in my mind and will spend an inordinate amount of time searching for its source oftentimes unsuccessfully

though actually i often do listen to songs that feel

right

in a way that i could not ever explain that isn't about the lyrics but rather how i

feel

when i listen to it but my memory is very much tied to my feelings so things like this that stand out to me i am often able to find

though recapturing the exact feeling from the past is often impossible

[anahit]

not really, I prefer to mod things that are mechanically / flavor-wise fairly simple because I'm somewhat lazy.

hm hm hm

I do have this song I wanted to share with you but I haven't found it yet and it is driving me crazy

i was going to post lianne la havas performing bittersweet from a different colors show

but when i got here game had been open for hours and was just a series of eh rvs

thus the greentea peng performance

[anahit]

VOTE: anahit
who are you

shiki

do you have any thoughts on the game so far?

[anahit]

VOTE: anahit
who are you

shiki

do you have any thoughts on the game so far?

want to play a round of best post/worst post with me?

[anahit]

Good Morrow Good Eve and Good Night to you all.

I believe I should open with VOTE: Ahri for that absolutely appalling display of logic, even by my rather unusual standards.

I believe the protocol is also to claim that I am Asectic.

i mean, it's probably more ai that ahri's post incorporated what had happened in the game to some extent (intentional misspelling to match edensflame's misspelling) but was otherwise, like, standalone?

[anahit]

Good Morrow Good Eve and Good Night to you all.

I believe I should open with VOTE: Ahri for that absolutely appalling display of logic, even by my rather unusual standards.

I believe the protocol is also to claim that I am Asectic.

i mean, it's probably more ai that ahri's post incorporated what had happened in the game to some extent (intentional misspelling to match edensflame's misspelling) but was otherwise, like, standalone?

like read game, made reply rvs post to rvs post aimed towards, but came late enough that there may be more expected

cause like, forced logic is rvs staple and if was the first post in thread would just be run of mill yeah?

[anahit]

want to play a round of best post/worst post with me?

best post is like, uh, this i guess:

VOTE: isis
Cat

cause is towards someone who had just posted and feels like, not thought about,

worst post is probably this one:

Hello!

VOTE: Radical Rat

because pressure for pressure's sake is actively bad for town here and was immediate second vote on radical rat which would have had to be intentional and is otherwise just empty hello post

okay your turn

[anahit]

okay your turn

@dwlee

[anahit]

okay your turn

@dwlee

though anyone can play really

[anahit]

My dear are you attempting to infer that my approach to the logic previously presented to myself which I have so lightly critiqued in a rather carefree fashion as we are barely 50 nay 40 post barring your continual self quoting is inadequate for purpose here?

No tea for you. Your invite to my table is being handed to the teapot with Lady Grey inside it. How the good Lady fit inside it is quite the dilemma but alas as are most things we find here.

the logic of it just seemed like the less potentially relevant aspect of the post to me like if we are functioning under 'all posts are ai' which is kinda necessary for this stage of the game as you say we are only 40 posts into the game et cetera then it seems like that is more likely the ai part rather than the forced logic

[anahit]

The connection provided here is quite simple - even I face a challenge of making it overly verbose .

///

Does this suffice your needs? I would expect an intriguing rebuttal as we appear to now be breaking RVS with you at the helm.

but... like i said before yeah it's forced logic and so forth and could also be furthered by red=mafia which was suspiciously missing sure but the significant part is that ahri made this post in reply to edensflame's post, even echoing the misspelling and so forth but was content to leave it at that, like ah i have now made an adequate rvs post tada! even though rvs post itself gives away its thought process so if we're really really trying to find ai content in that post i still think it's that ahri had read game and such and thought that forced logic rvs post was only pressing matter

also i'm only at the helm out of necessity more or less obviously not the role i am most suited to but it is what it is

[anahit]

But herein lies the problem we now face as by your own reckoning you justify that the post created and targeted, pondered and assaulted by myself is not one of RVS as it contains thought and deterministic process beyond what should be expected of the RVS stage. Truly town has no need nor requirement to force logic or opinion but instead holds the burden to locate when it has been used in an attempt to either provide cover or provide the beginnings of a town elimination by squeezing, grinding and compounding a poor townie with no defence as all they hold is the knowledge that they colours others seek are claimed to be within them, breaking us free of the travesty and uninformed mess that is the random stages where information is as common as the bluddybig'aed sits at my table.

I would dare ask, where do you stand upon the field? With Ahri? or Against Ahri? Your distance into the field is as limited as your ability to manoeuvre yourself upon it and I ask you take my assurances that this would not be taken as overly definitive at this time and the freedom to move is always yours to have.

The helm of this ship was open for all to step up and take ahold of to steer us clear, the burden was for the taking and whilst I commend and applaud your action in starting to lead this ship away from port I do have to question your intentions - should you plan to retain the helm and then should you steer us toward the calm waters, towards the storm or towards the rocky outcroppings. I daresay I fear for my tea and dearest Lady Grey does not wish to emerge from her teapot just yet.

unable to parse the first paragraph; what i'm saying is your approach to ahri's post seems ??? as the logic of it does not seem ai to me but other things about the post could be, things that you did not address when targeting that post

again, ??? not sure what you're asking, if you think i shouldn't have a definitive stance on ahri at this time, i am happy to report that i do not? as should be apparent i think, but if you think i shouldn't have a definitive stance i'm not sure why you're also asking where i stand?

if you could elaborate on what is giving you pause about my intentions i am interested

[anahit]

Forced logic is no habour nor weapon of one lacking colour.

then... why did you vote ahri on these grounds?

[anahit]

Forced logic is no habour nor weapon of one lacking colour.

then... why did you vote ahri on these grounds?

unless you're saying that only mafia would use forced logic? which, uh, is very untrue?

i am having a very difficult time understanding your posts

[anahit]

VOTE: Mad Hatter's tea party

The most colorful name!!

like is this not also forced rvs logic? is isis also +mafia for this?

[anahit]

Do you stand with Ahri and see her in the greys we have always knwn and adored?

ahri has made one post and i have given a lot of words about it already, why the insistence on asking like, 'do you think she is town or mafia!!!?!??!'

[anahit]

Galron

, where are you?

hm

would the gamestate somehow be different to you if galron had made 1-2 rvs posts like most everyone else?

[anahit]

No, but it'd be nice to see a familiar face.

ah, i too enjoy galron's presence +)

[anahit]

You are not the first to fail to process the eloquence of my voracious vocabulary.

i guess maybe it isn't a vocabulary issue - as i do understand each of the words individually - my failing is more in compilation as some of the sentences i am left thinking 'what does that mean though'

your judgement is not trusted

but why isn't my judgment trusted?

Though I daresay should you attempt to come to the 'art of the vote you find the Mad Hatters Tea Party to always be a colourful affair outside these realms.

i have done so much to be ordinary and made a record of this

Those with greater talent for the game than my own are oft able to assess, process and manifest a read with just the single post.
I ask you to attempt the same, and should your thoughts see the light I will add mine to the mixture and see what we gain.

but, i did share my thoughts on ahri's post,

[anahit]

Anahit, I'm confused by your stated pronouns, is "they" ok?

i would prefer 'she' if you'd like to rely on a single default pronoun for me -

ani would be my preferred abbreviation of anahit, if anyone feels the need to abbreviate for any reason,

she is my preferred pronoun for anahit, if you'd like a pronoun for referring to the entity that signs into the account anahit and so forth i guess i would prefer it, the space between et cetera, but she is also okay for this purpose as well,

[anahit]

One of my favorite outfits is my longsleeve white with horizontal black striped shirt, black tights, my spongey cottony white shin length skirt, all with black flats with little black bows on them and the white Tori Burch purse my cousin got me for Christmas.

i think mostly about clothes

[anahit]

VOTE: Mad Hatters Tea Party

I don't like this whole exchange. Feels disingenuous to be focusing so hard on Ahri and trying to force anahit to have a proper read based on a single RVS vote.

Also I don't want to spend the whole game trying to parse walls of purple prose

This is a pretty strange read, I think anahit does feel marginally townier than Mad but I got the impression that anahit was the one forcing basically the entire exchange.

hm, it is like, i do think i was mostly "forcing" (as you say) the exchange but i think radical rat is referring to mad hatters tea party's insistence that i give a hard read of ahri as if the exchange didn't come about in response to mad hatters tea party's read of ahri and subsequent vote, which also felt kinda hm, to me, but, need more distance from

[anahit]

I strongly disagree with this post!

all posts are either made by mafia or not...

but yeah sometimes i get lost in rabbitholes that's certainly true

[anahit]

It's just impossible to generate "bad information"

this though!!!

one time during a mafia game ame explained to me that 'posting is good for town though' and everything about mafia made more sense

[anahit]

Sure but how about we play at a different time aka not now because I'm at my phone and haven't read and don't feel like reading rn because I see a lot of words.

we could simply play a different game at that future point in time when you feel like reading and so forth, if you'd like, as best post/worst post loses it's usefulness once there are A LOT of posts in the game as singling one out is both very very easy and also mostly meaningless as body of work becomes much more relevant unless there is an extreme outlier in either the best or worst category and if there is an extreme outlier to you at this point or further into the game i would expect you to point it out anyway instead of having to look closely at the rvs posts to choose

[anahit]

Ani your judgement currently remains to be decided, I do not trust you, and I was rather hoping that your brilliance would shine as white as moon against the darkest skies which is part of why the challenges were laid out as they were.

it is like

i really do not understand the expectation of me - like, 'i do not trust you! but also i was hoping your brilliance would shine so brightly!'

i am not even sure whether or not you are saying you do not trust that i am town or that you do not trust me to find the mafia or both

The machinations of the mind are quite marvellous. Even more so when one is mad or malicious.

i guess the 'mad' part of this can likely be applied to me though i guess maybe i would rather we didn't

but,

the malicious part kinda feels like you're just trying to be like, 'i do not know your alignment anahit!!!!'

I do fear you missed the pun regarding Art and Party.

hm

Though I daresay should you attempt to come to the 'art of the vote you find the Mad Hatters Tea P

art

y to always be a colourful affair outside these realms.

i assumed you were showing familiarity with me and how i play with the should you attempt to come to the art of the vote bit, which was then furthered by the my finding you to be a colourful affair outside of these realms, ie, from past lives; or so i thought

i also assumed the bolded art to be an intentional misdirect as it seemed unlikely to me that you were either the account art or someone i had talked to at great length about art as that list is not particularly long

though it could easily have been a more passing reference to someone i had a minor interaction with about art at some point as that list is rather long

oh! i think maybe your fear that i missed the pun was due to the anne boyer quote:

i have done so much to be ordinary and made a record of this

not including how that section of the poem ends:

i got nearer to death, as did you

but also it is quite possible you are trying to communicate something else entirely to me, and, uh, i have been trying to turn off the subtext thing as much as i can because like, i quickly begin connecting everything into one very very large ball - here is my one night stand spectator pt iso so you can see what happens when i do not turn this off

[anahit]

idk i still kinda wanna wagon greeting rn, but if that's not happening, sure, flame could be fun.

hm hm hm

[anahit]

idk i still kinda wanna wagon greeting rn, but if that's not happening, sure, flame could be fun.

hm hm hm

a) it would be nice if both just started posting sortable content to circumvent the need for wagoning

but also!

b! if you think greeting is currently the most likely mafia do you not think there is some equity between greeting and vanderscamp?

[anahit]

b! if you think greeting is currently the most likely mafia do you not think there is some equity between greeting and vanderscamp?

also sircakez and mad hatters tea party i guess to much lesser extents, but mostly vanderscamp yea

[anahit]

I agree more posting is good for town, although one big part of it is not wasting time talking about parts that are less relevant.
I'm not entirely sure Mad Hatter's talk so far is genuine, but I'm not discounting the possibility.
Don't find it likely scum would draw that attention to themselves early, but it's possible.

Conclusion: I think I should keep an eye on the Hatter

VOTE: Edens flame
This post is basically a bunch of words that means nothing

it is like, unless i was focused on a partner of edensflame's (so somewhere in {ahri, mad hatters tea party, greeting(?)}) then i think edensflame more or less telling me to try not to get distracted/focus on relevant things/not waste time is probably +town

right outside of the partner being focused on that seems kinda unlikely to come from mafia to me? does that make sense

[anahit]

though it could easily have been a more passing reference to someone i had a minor interaction with about art at some point as that list is rather long

oh! could also be telephone pictionary related

or i could be wrong about the unlikely i guess

[anahit]

[anahit]

I think this is an exceptionally poor (not scummy) read to read that as town from Eden, especially since Eden does not go on to say anything of value or provide a suggested target for any kind of focus.

do you do you do you

think edensflame is trying to appease you?

[anahit]

my feeling is kind of that Edensflame doesn't want to appease anyone

A most curious compilation of concerning considerations.

[anahit]

my feeling is kind of that Edensflame doesn't want to appease anyone

A most curious compilation of concerning considerations.

it is like,

vanderscamp suspects edensflame and votes
edensflame issues townread of vanderscamp
so curious if this is what vanderscamp thinks
of edensflame's posts

[anahit]

my feeling is kind of that Edensflame doesn't want to appease anyone

A most curious compilation of concerning considerations.

it is like,

vanderscamp suspects edensflame and votes
edensflame issues townread of vanderscamp
so curious if this is what vanderscamp thinks
of edensflame's posts

but also i very much appreciate the way vanderscamp explained to me why they thought my thoughts with regards to edensflame were not correct and i should probably note that as well

[anahit]

honestly, idk if i actually believe that. i mostly just wanted a counterwagon, and felt that greeting was as good a shot as any for the purpose (partly because i'd misread the thread, oops). i probably shouldve voted ahri, but whatever.

but taking the question on its assumptions regardless: im not sure what you mean by equity, and i personally dont really consider the vanderscamp and greeting to be "linked" in any way. but vanderscamp pings vaguely town, i like that he didnt let the argument over treating every post as alignment-indicative drag out.

kinda think greeting and ahri were both pretty good votes

basically i mean that they have higher likelihood of being mafia together - it is like, if you thought greeting was the most likely mafia, then vanderscamp's vote pressuring edensflame very shortly thereafter without engaging with your vote on greeting in anyway would potentially be suspicious, yeah? but instead your thought was 'oh i might join that wagon', thus my question

[anahit]

Best post worst post not happening btw sorry

buddy can we get something to happen sometime soon.

just pick a name out of a hat if you are feeling out of it for some reason O___o

i am kinda worried about both of you at this point +/

[anahit]

Aimee Mann is a legend

i am glad that galron's view of aimee mann matches the galron model in my mind (not that there is anyone that doesn't like aimee mann)

[anahit]

Don't know if this has been answered yet, but in rvs, who looks at the VC? If there is one?. Really if you come in late you may get a feel for what the VC should look like, but no more than that This seems more coincidental than intentional.

? the first vote on radical rat was the post immediately preceding greeting's - it felt like an intentional like 'wagons are good!' sort of rvs post

but! very importantly, wagons for wagons sake are not actually good for town here (and towns should be making it so they do not have to be wagoned to be readable and so forth and towns should be finding other ways to sort players)

but all of that isn't so so important more that greeting was kinda like, default rvs posting in a way that would match other games but not this one but not in a way that scum would necessarily notice before posting because scum less likely to realize this than town

[anahit]

I don't dig this vote. Interested to see where it goes.

sorry to disappoint, but as im sure youve since noticed -- nowhere!

i mean, this is mostly because greeting's been absent since and others didn't really engage with it, which seems like kinda a strange thing for you to interpret as +town for greeting rather than +mafia,

[anahit]

and i assume greeting said it because he believes it's an accurate assessment of the thread

i kinda think it was a callback to the isis/vanderscamp/me talk about posts being ai

like it felt like a very intentional post from greeting rather than simply 'this is how i feel about the game'

[anahit]

I agree more posting is good for town, although one big part of it is not wasting time talking about parts that are less relevant.
I'm not entirely sure Mad Hatter's talk so far is genuine, but I'm not discounting the possibility.
Don't find it likely scum would draw that attention to themselves early, but it's possible.

Conclusion: I think I should keep an eye on the Hatter

VOTE: Edens flame
This post is basically a bunch of words that means nothing

it is like, unless i was focused on a partner of edensflame's (so somewhere in {ahri, mad hatters tea party, greeting(?)}) then i think edensflame more or less telling me to try not to get distracted/focus on relevant things/not waste time is probably +town

right outside of the partner being focused on that seems kinda unlikely to come from mafia to me? does that make sense

I don't that that's what Eden was saying though?

hmmm

i guess to me, it was like,

i say that posting is good for town, then edensflame says

posting good for town

IF

focused on relevant things

which like, i very often get distracted and have a very difficult time telling the relevant and not relevant things apart,

so it seemed very possible to me that edensflame thought that was what was happening here and was saying to me

yes posting good BUT try to rein it in a bit

which seemed to me more likely to come from town or from mafia specifically partnered with someone i was focused on

because why would edensflame want to refocus me if mafia in any other situation

[anahit]

Why is that?

feels kinda like you have time traveler perspective - like with rvs vote and no posts are ai comment and the like, observational posts

[anahit]

Why is that?

feels kinda like you have time traveler perspective - like with rvs vote and no posts are ai comment and the like, observational posts

like ya know how if you live in a place where the winter is very cold and then there is a warm day in early spring it feels very very warm like the nicest day ever but if it were the middle of summer that day would be considered cold

it feels like you have time traveled to the warm day and called it cold

[anahit]

Why is that?

feels kinda like you have time traveler perspective - like with rvs vote and no posts are ai comment and the like, observational posts

like ya know how if you live in a place where the winter is very cold and then there is a warm day in early spring it feels very very warm like the nicest day ever but if it were the middle of summer that day would be considered cold

it feels like you have time traveled to the warm day and called it cold

and for ahri it is like,

ahri made rvs post, then mad hatters tea party and i talked about it A LOT, and then ahri disappeared?

which could completely be not game related but if it is game related then i think mafia are more likely to have head underwater feeling in that situation

[anahit]

I cannot make out anything that gives clues as to players' alignments from the first 114 posts. I'm not going to create post content out of nothing. Sure, that involves me taking a backseat and waiting for stuff to unfold, but I didn't have any better idea than that. There's not much more to it, and I don't want prods so there's that.

hmhmhm

okay, so you have noted that i have made a lot of posts! what do you assume based on that? what do you think gamestate looks like here without me doing so? do you think we are more or less likely to find the mafia because of it if i am town? (spoiler: i am town)

it's not the taking a backseat that i'm noting; i often do just that, it's that it kinda feels like you know what's going to unfold,

[anahit]

and for ahri it is like,

ahri made rvs post, then mad hatters tea party and i talked about it A LOT, and then ahri disappeared?

which could completely be not game related but if it is game related then i think mafia are more likely to have head underwater feeling in that situation

Ahri

has posted almost nothing.

Here's her only post. Judging by the content, it's very much an RVS post.

VOTE: AidansFlame

flame = red

red = color

color = mafia

Why would there be a bigger chance for her being mafia than literally anyone else?

i mean, we've already talked about the post itself at great length,

but basically to me i think it's noteworthy that a response rvs post to another player's rvs post was the only thing ahri posted at that time,

but also, because we then talked about that past at great length and ahri has not posted since,

[anahit]

I don't see how Edens flame post was aimed at you though?

who else would it have been aimed at? like i am fairly confident their comment about posting good for town came directly because i said that was something ame taught me, not just something edensflame thought about independently of the previous posts about it

but also have been weighing what vanderscamp said about this being negated by the lack of forward momentum in the edensflame post, which, well, yeah i agree there is a lack of forward momentum but it is hard for me to weigh that

[anahit]

I don't see how Edens flame post was aimed at you though?

who else would it have been aimed at? like i am fairly confident their comment about posting good for town came directly because i said that was something ame taught me, not just something edensflame thought about independently of the previous posts about it

but also have been weighing what vanderscamp said about this being negated by the lack of forward momentum in the edensflame post, which, well, yeah i agree there is a lack of forward momentum but it is hard for me to weigh that

like not everyone or even most players really play downhill as town all of the time

[anahit]

present predicament the position presents in part by holding a poor presence yet oddly powerful posts

[anahit]

Compared to my usual blunderances of the initial day, I am starting to feel quite confident in my town reads.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

which are…?

[anahit]

i mean, this is mostly because greeting's been absent since and others didn't really engage with it, which seems like kinda a strange thing for you to interpret as +town for greeting rather than +mafia,

i just didnt think my vote was doing anything there. i couldve parked it for the next few days to make doubly sure, but that didnt seem worth lol. like. do you want to vote greeting with me?

this makes sense

i guess mostly i was trying to say that greeting still seems one of most likely mafias to me, and that i didn’t want slot to be cleared for today simply because you moved your vote elsewhere, as what happened before you did so was not +town for greeting to me, but i also get trying to do something with your vote et cetera

[anahit]

Honestly, I haven't had the energy to properly go through and read things yet, so I didn't see that. I will do so by tomorrow, and that's a promise you can hold me to.

it’s like it’s like it’s like

yes this would be most excellent and i am looking forward to it

but also i know more of your view on the game right now than i do isis’s or pooky’s (or dwlee’s)

and your wagon kinda ??? to me and greeting asking ‘why are people voting my rvs’ as opposed to determining if he wanted to reup vote or move kinda ?!?

[anahit]

beetlejuice

i think it’s fair to say that in games where you as mafia don’t actually have to ‘solve’ your win probability extremely high thus my concern

[anahit]

beetlejuice

i think it’s fair to say that in games where you as mafia don’t actually have to ‘solve’ your win probability extremely high thus my concern

like outlier sort of high

[anahit]

MrCakes feels colorful
Greeting prolly town

What's so towny about me?

don't get vibes about you wanting to look any particular way
fairly blunt and straight forward
no agenda

these are liable to change but for now it's a good look (ironically)

kinda just want to believe in you on this one

[anahit]

MrCakes feels colorful
Greeting prolly town

What's so towny about me?

don't get vibes about you wanting to look any particular way
fairly blunt and straight forward
no agenda

these are liable to change but for now it's a good look (ironically)

kinda just want to believe in you on this one

(even though what you are townreading greeting for is almost exactly what often gets me townread as mafia and! somewhat notably what i think greeting is trying to say about why my play might be coming from scum here? which ignores like a lot a lot of factors but yeah)

[anahit]

I don't see a possible way for me to know what's going to unfold, town or scum, too.

well,

you see, the mafia know the towns and the mafias, and potentially more about the setup and so forth,

and as opposed to my open chapters, they know the possible endings,

like turn to page 72 if you eliminate edensflame!
but turn to page 196 if you eliminate vanderscamp!

but the mafias know what those pages say beforehand,

[anahit]

We have anahit, who's a content-generator, and this could come from both town and scum.

mm,

i mean,

eh nevermind

[anahit]

The Monochrome Queen.
The Sad Maiden with Long Braid.
The Circular Artisan.

oh! for some reason when you said you had strong townreads i thought you meant a lot of strong townreads, this makes more sense, sorry

well i assume isis is the queen, which makes me curious about your townread,

i assume i am the sad maiden

and the circular artisan is vanderscamp or potentially mc esther?

[anahit]

What do you think the chance is of mafia deciding to never make pro-town plays in a game?

on average, pretty low, though pooky is one of our greatest mafiosos and has certainly won games as mafia without ever doing anything remotely pro-town, at my expense even

but this was like, idk anymore, idk

like i think maybe i was reading too much intentionality into the edensflame post, but it still doesn't feel like 'this is mafia!' to me

[anahit]

pooky

i guess mostly i want pooky to make me feel like

do not worry, the game is going to be solved, pooky is here!

which is probably kinda unfair

[anahit]

In what sense do you hold yourself accountable for catch-up? Is it like, I'll catch up because I owe it to the game, or I'll catch up and if I don't I'm scum?

I'm like mostly sure it's the former but I need to prodge because I have ectrolysis tomorrow and might be exhausted and I promise NOT to catchul until I replay Kirby's adventure until I reach the nostalgic black and white level that serves as a callback to the game boy game

Because I owe it to the game. If I'm scum I'm scum, and if I'm not I'm not, regardless of whether I get around to reading.

Something about this answer feels off. Isis was giving you two options, but there are more, like you owe it to yourself so you understand the development of the game for example. It seems you took the easy way out.

probably also noteworthy that radical rat didn't actually yet do the thing

[anahit]

To be clear, you're read on greeting is coming from his rvs vote. Is that correct?

well that's where it started yes

but pretty much all of greeting's posts feel like they come from an informed perspective to me

[anahit]

This is normal day phases right I last played a blitz and I hated it even though it was freelo

I remember the prod timers were 36 hours so it's gotta be at least 2w

hm

(expired on 2022-02-05 16:56:02)

[anahit]

I don't see a possible way for me to know what's going to unfold, town or scum, too.

well,

you see, the mafia know the towns and the mafias, and potentially more about the setup and so forth,

and as opposed to my open chapters, they know the possible endings,

like turn to page 72 if you eliminate edensflame!
but turn to page 196 if you eliminate vanderscamp!

but the mafias know what those pages say beforehand,

Take out the middle part and yes. Unless you're talking about a choose your own adventure book, but that would be more +town I guess.

i was talking about a choose your own adventure book yeah it's like town are playing through it but the mafias proofread it so they already know the contents

[anahit]

I have a read that if Pooky was disgusted at how badly they played in a recent game as scum, they wouldn't give this kind of terrible reasoning to sheep a vote as scum here.

pooky was upset with how they played as town in the game pooky was referring to; isis and i were the scums

i think pooky was saying i should not want to feel like pooky will solve the game if town!pooky because he did not play well as town in that game, which yeah i like said that's probably an unfair expectation

but it is like,

i obviously didn't feel that way in the aforementioned game as i was a mafia,

and if that game was paused on the final day and left up to pooky to correctly identify the mafia team then i think there is a pretty good chance pooky would have caught us

it's just that the experience of the previous days put us in a position for pooky to be miseliminated for the win there

and! i really really like to have hope

[anahit]

the constructed nature of the RP

What's this?

pretty sure vanderscamp means how it is difficult to determine if mad hatters posts feel scummy in the way they are constructed because coming from scum or because of their posting style, the alliteration and so forth, which also takes like, similar things to put together

[anahit]

the constructed nature of the RP

What's this?

pretty sure vanderscamp means how it is difficult to determine if mad hatters posts feel scummy in the way they are constructed because coming from scum or because of their posting style, the alliteration and so forth, which also takes like, similar things to put together

like scum have to like, construct thought processes/create temporal dissonance/give the appearance of being towns et cetera, which if you are looking for like input/output type thing it's more in for same out for the mafias and you can kinda tell in posts sometimes though we as a whole collectively as mafia players as definitely worse at this than any of us give the impression of being during a game (especially me!!!)

but if you are also making your posts sound nice (even at the cost of meaning sometimes) before posting it makes trying to make this sort of determination very difficult

[anahit]

but if you are also making your posts sound nice (even at the cost of meaning sometimes) before posting it makes trying to make this sort of determination very difficult

which also could itself be a tactic, but research quickly shows that it isn't specific to this game and such

though 'asectic' and 'art' + mad hatter still kinda hm as that still does not seem particularly likely to me

and they said our paths have not previously crossed, so!

[anahit]

im a little bothered that it's two-and-a-half days to deadline and we dont have any real wagons (like, three votes is a start-of-day wagon, not so much a "most of the way through day and we need real elimination candidates" wagon). pretty sick of negotiating deadline votes so much lately; i'd kinda like to play a game where the elimination happens because a majority of people actually wanted a specific person gone.

eliminations are compulsive, also the word of notice,

though i also get the frustration and yeah there's like benefit to the mafia to this situation obviously

[anahit]

anahit, can I ask on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the most, what was your excitement level immediately prior to this game starting, and what is it now?

10! uh, 3.5ish? though it's like, i very much ebb and flow so that is only a this moment thing as i had to be at like 110% for like 10 straight hours and then didn't sleep all that much and now i am having trouble making sense of things and i know this is one of those moments with you and dwlee posting where i am most definitely supposed to be able to Figure Something Out but i am here, uh, not doing so

[anahit]

With this plist there really isn't a lot of activity, like everyone's blood sugar is down or there's a carnival on the other side of town.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[anahit]

With this plist there really isn't a lot of activity, like everyone's blood sugar is down or there's a carnival on the other side of town.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i mean, i know i'm probably not supposed to say,

do you not think there might be another reason for this?

but

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[anahit]

we should find a mafia so we can nap

if i were rousseau here and you were a spectator who would you suggest i give a radio to?

[anahit]

I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

[anahit]

I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

And what does this say about my supposed knowledge of the setup?

that you aren’t asking yourself the why question with regards to anyone’s play

like it’s not just that post it’s the whole sequence like i said before but phone so

[anahit]

and it’s like, why wouldn’t you be asking why question? why when i put to you more specifically do you think of it as like ‘anahit’s play could come from town or scum in a vacuum’ instead of like ‘why is she playing like that here?’

[anahit]

The Sad Maiden with Long Braid.

Wait,

MHTP

clarified they meant someone else, in 261. Never mind that.

[anahit]

I have read all of the posts so far and they're NAI to be fair.

And what does this say about my supposed knowledge of the setup?

that you aren’t asking yourself the why question with regards to anyone’s play

like it’s not just that post it’s the whole sequence like i said before but phone so

and it’s like, why wouldn’t you be asking why question? why when i put to you more specifically do you think of it as like ‘anahit’s play could come from town or scum in a vacuum’ instead of like ‘why is she playing like that here?’

So you're assuming that I know something more than others because of my playstyle? I don't think there always needs to be a "why?" behind every single post in the game, and that's especially true for town. Personally, I've not been thinking why I'm making any single post in this game whatsoever when making it. I've been pretty honest and open about my thoughts, and I'd rather say that than cling to a random post for nothing. It's super easy to trump someone who stands out for whatever reason. Someone could scumcase you for posting in large amounts. Someone could make a case on

MHTP

for their peculiar phrasing. Or

Ahri

for reasons I said in 238. My experience of playing mafia on this site just makes me think it's not really AI at all.

but like that’s what i’ve tried asking you

like you say someone

could

scumread me for posting a lot

and multiple times you noted simply that i am posting a lot

which yes compared to game sure given

but my posts aren’t just empty right

at no point is there any evaluation of what i have posted

simply that it is a lot and that that fact itself could be scumread

right so it doesn’t feel like you don’t know my alignment

[anahit]

but you don’t really have to evaluate me anyway

that’s not what i’m saying here

just like, we have to find mafia without one of the major benefit of usual failstates,

and you weren’t doing that, like you know what is behind doors

[anahit]

also i don’t mean you should be asking other players why -

rather yourself, as how else can you find mafia,

like if all of the posts can be made by players of any alignment, and you know some of the players have to be mafia, how do you determine which of those posts were made by mafia without asking yourself ‘why is x making this post’ ‘why are they viewing the game this way’ et cetera

[anahit]

i guess to me 236 feels like you saying,

this is why this town indicative behaviour could also be mafia indicative,

but that post is also why i kinda want to just trust edensflame on your slot

[anahit]

but you don’t really have to evaluate me anyway

that’s not what i’m saying here

just like, we have to find mafia without one of the major benefit of usual failstates,

and you weren’t doing that, like you know what is behind doors

What do you mean by "usual failstates"?

let’s say we are playing a newbie,

what happens at e-1 when we wagon town day 1? and mafia?

now what happens in this game?

[anahit]

so we don’t have failstate

so we have to find mafia in one go

[anahit]

no i meant before the elimination, but once again probably shouldn’t be having this conversation

as it is like very extremely important for us to not be horribly wrong here on day one,

like we must avoid worst case situations because uttter disaster

and we also have to believe in ourselves enough on best case to push through,

so your stance as ‘figure it out later’ once again stands out as informed to me,

[anahit]

and like, yes it is possible to find mafia day one it does happen,

but it is probably less likely to have if you aren’t trying to?

[anahit]

not seeing anything better especially after Dwlee's last post

good

[anahit]

(not a comment on dwlee's alignment however)

[anahit]

Low-key feeling the vibe to PL Dwlee for being useless

VOTE: dwlee for doing nothing

Is this because you actually think Dwlee's behavior is scummy or just annoyance?

I think I will VOTE: Dwlee99.

This is also a crappy vote and it just makes me want to move back to Eden
I think we can do way better for a day 1 elim than Dwlee

VOTE: Sircakez
This will probably result in a countervote from him but I want to get more cakey posting to look at and then go from there

Nah i have no interest in pushing you rn

what happened here tho

[anahit]

hi toogeloo

[anahit]

Not a fan of a Greeting lim

we still have more than a full day - i will be around in six or so hours but, yeah, kinda feeling this ^^^ right now

[anahit]

Oh wait, am I reading the deadline is in a bit over 1 day? How'd y'all manage such a lengthy game to get this close to deadline?

VOTE: Greeting

like the deadline was only a week in the first place? and there’s only fifteen pages???

[anahit]

sorry for delay need like ~1 more hour

[anahit]

If I do get miselimmed, I would advise to look for scum in my wagon. There’s surprisingly little opposition to it, the majority seems to be either supportive or indifferent to it.

wait while you're here can you tell me how you feel about edensflame defending you

[anahit]

please

[anahit]

I am an emotional player and the problem with emotion is that being absolutely right and spectacularly wrong feel exactly the same to me.

I think you understand why this is not something that is as productive in this setup as in the previous setups we played together because this game is played in more than one direction and so I can't just thought-spew.

In other words I guess I am asking you, who do you want to eliminate today?

hm, i too am an emotional player and i am often unable to tell the difference between these, as has been talked about previously,

it is like, yeah greeting's play has been pretty !!! to me,

but pretty worried about being wrong here, and things that have been !!! could potentially(?) be explained in other ways

and! i do not have many town reads and one of them is opposed,

even though that townread itself is like a whole web

or not even a web more like i am designing a leaning tower and continuously adding counterweight to the foundation

but there is no solid answer for 'why is the tower leaning tho'

trying to figure out 'who do you want to eliminate' right now,

[anahit]

Point out that life is a coned hourglass and if it's wrong to kill Greeting let's get excited! (I previewed this post to edit it, and on review this should say "get excited about eliminating someone else", but I omitted the extra words and left them implicit even though it is a borderline level of clarity to do so. The reason is that Get Excited! is a goofily titled and executed skill name from Jinx in League of Legends.

hm

[anahit]

also re:greeting there is the whole,

what scum!greeting would be expected to be doing right now in this situation thing,

[anahit]

if town!greeting town!toogeloo mafias are probably in hiding now

[anahit]

if town!greeting town!toogeloo mafias are probably in hiding now

Admittedly, I'm only voting Greeting since it's counter to my wagon with a looming deadline.

yeah, which isn't necessarily the greatest but also understandable,

[anahit]

I

hm, do you think scum are playing reactively?

[anahit]

hm, do you think scum are playing reactively?

like sircakez says might be up for dwlee, then there was action on dwlee, for instance,

[anahit]

If I do get miselimmed, I would advise to look for scum in my wagon. There’s surprisingly little opposition to it, the majority seems to be either supportive or indifferent to it.

I would mention that almost all the votes popped up on you in less than 25 posts.

that's part of why i asked you about what you thought the mafia were doing as those votes popped up after i was interacting with greeting and such,

[anahit]

The only strong read I have is that I think Cakez is town right now.

if cakez town, what do you make of dwlee votes?

(like i obviously get the limited amount of information issue as that is the problem i am running into yeah, but trying to figure out anyway, shrug, like i get how this isn't the best course of action but the alternative is what, choose solely between you and greeting and hope for the best? which it may come down to but because of how the eliminations work this isn't nearly a necessity so i guess i'd at least like to continue to try to figure)

[anahit]

if cakez town, what do you make of dwlee votes?

Cakez can be right, Cakez can be wrong. Dwlee isn't currently a close enough counter to my wagon that I care.

i think i didn't ask this well, but not sure i know how to ask better, i meant your thoughts on the players who voted dwlee more than dwlee

all of the wagons are close enough though? like anyone can still be eliminated eliminations are compulsive

[anahit]

UNVOTE:

yeah echoing the sentiment i think ive read in a few places, not so sure greeting's the best elimination any more. maybe i'll change my mind again in a bit.

i dont want to put toogeloo on e-1 before ive properly caught up, that's quite likely where my vote will be going once ive had my coffee etc..

yours was one of the votes making me uneasy so if you could give words as to how you reached this conclusion and such i’d appreciate it

once you had your coffee and such of course (though mad hatters tea party may be disappointed that you’re a fan of the bitter drink my hummingbird heart certainly relates)

[anahit]

idk. i need to read more before i commit to a position on this. i dont particularly like greeting's iso when i very briefly skimmed (kinda just scrolled lmao) it just then, but something (probably how fast the wagon flashed up) makes me subjectively way uneasy about it. idk what to make of the fact that i tried to wagon him way early and nobody was interested, and now all of a sudden everyone's like "yeah sure why not"'; like, idk if that makes the wagon "likely sincere" or "likely insincere" on average, or if it's completely non-indicative. i guess it kinda looks like a counterwagon to toogeloo but i might not believe that at all when i actually check the sequence of events.

hmhmhm

[anahit]

greeting prob town

vote toogeoololegoolo

anyone with that many Os in their name can't be town

willing to accept 'greeting prob town' at face value here

but why does that make toogeloo best vote

[anahit]

like how confident are we on 'toogeloo mafia'

even with premise of greeting town despite the blinking lights

[anahit]

do you think isis is somewhat likely mafia?

[anahit]

more likely than default slot?

[anahit]

more likely than default slot?

well actually let's say more likely than default slot minus yourself and me

so if assumption is we're both town then more likely than default slot out of the rest

[anahit]

more likely than default slot?

they give off normie vibes

why

because she is pushing greeting and defending toogeloo (even suggesting dwlee as a better elimination than toogeloo) and you are defending greeting and pushing toogeloo as the best elimination so i was wondering if you found her to be a likely toogeloo partner in your view of the game

[anahit]

more likely than default slot?

they give off normie vibes

why

because she is pushing greeting and defending toogeloo (even suggesting dwlee as a better elimination than toogeloo) and you are defending greeting and pushing toogeloo as the best elimination so i was wondering if you found her to be a likely toogeloo partner in your view of the game

defending toogeloo?

kk

i did not see this

but if this is true, then in addition to their "colorful" terminology

VOTE: Isis

well maybe not hard defending but certainly deprioritizing wagon

but if scum!isis to you requires assumption of scum!toogeloo then wasn’t toogeloo the better vote?

also, i wasn’t trying to suggest that we should be voting for isis rather i was trying to understand your thought process here

[anahit]

which mostly i still do not

[anahit]

ahri making greeting elimination more likely here kinda hm

still somewhat confused by what any mafia are doing here if partnered with either wagon

around in a bit through deadline if necessary

[anahit]

Who's the others?

timekeeper is galron i assume (though i always associate galron with lady columbia despite new avatar for whatever reason)
fire fox should be ahri
circular artisan is mc esther i believe due to previous discussion about

[anahit]

UNVOTE:

yeah echoing the sentiment i think ive read in a few places, not so sure greeting's the best elimination any more. maybe i'll change my mind again in a bit.

i dont want to put toogeloo on e-1 before ive properly caught up, that's quite likely where my vote will be going once ive had my coffee etc..

yours was one of the votes making me uneasy so if you could give words as to how you reached this conclusion and such i’d appreciate it

i dont particularly like greeting's iso when i very briefly skimmed (kinda just scrolled lmao) it just then, but something (probably how fast the wagon flashed up) makes me subjectively way uneasy about it.

that said, my main point here is that i suspect toogeloo's maf, but obviously i dont actually know that for sure, and presumably you dont either. i dont want to eliminate toog's buddy today, i want to eliminate toog and look for their buddy if im proven right.

This makes me uneasy

[anahit]

what does anyone assume about dwlee/pooky/vanderscamp w/ regards to current wagons

how do those confident that greeting and/or toogeloo are mafia view these slots right now

[anahit]

I will concede The Timeless and Curious are a single being, not the two which may be implied.

the stick figures in galron's avatar yea?

[anahit]

I am curious as to what makes you ill at ease about the post from our Circular Artisan. The point made is quite simple. Strike at the soul of scum you know, not at the scum you don't.

but like,

you do not think it is noteworthy that mc esther is now confident in scum!toogeloo?

[anahit]

I assume nothing of the former three, as they have shown little to my mind. I may review them overnight.

right but if you think greeting is mafia, then that would have to mean something towards this yeah? do you think dwlee and vanderscamp both checked in with game with their partner as lead wagon and thought, this is fine and good will continue not to do anything?

[anahit]

Would not, that is.

confident enough for mc esther to be voting toogeloo over anyone else in this situation, and she has been on both wagons, and she was also potentially trying to move ahri back to voting toogeloo as well,

[anahit]

I believe that the notion that scum are in low activity slots is a false dichotomy used to drive miselimination.

I believe some people simply lack motivation sometimes for the game - I am well aware that my own presence is considered a trial by some simply for the manner in which I speak.

I have no reason to suspect that trio, and enough to suspect The Jailed Songbird.

i mean, scum are in low activity slots more often than random, but that certainly doesn't mean low activity slots are always mafia

i think i am not communicating very clearly as your assumption here seems to be that i think you should potentially suspect those three?

whereas it seems to me that you would think they'd be more likely to be town if you strongly believed greeting to be mafia

[anahit]

and the foulness amongst us will see to push an elimination in their favour

right so who is doing this do you think? (other than greeting)

like you thought it was not noteworthy that those three i asked you about before were actively not doing this right

[anahit]

right so who is doing this do you think?

or rather, who is potentially doing this

[anahit]

Not true, I find town more than I find scum in those slots.

i mean, one should find town more often than scum in every slot because there are more towns than scums

but scums are more often in low activity slots than they would be if randomly distributed

same as with scum more often are replaced

[anahit]

Your communication is clear, you wish for them to be considered but not automatically suspected.

I dislike playing a dot to dot, when I can't see the numbers.
I can't join the dots unless I know which order to join them in.
I can't create an associative without information to go from.

i am attempting to have you (and anyone else) talk about these slots with regards to the current wagons as i am trying to understand how people are viewing the game

it's like, not about correctly ordering the dots, but rather attempting to do so,

like i am more likely to learn about the person answering the question regarding dwlee/pooky/vanderscamp than i am to learn about those slots themselves from this

[anahit]

we can’t no lim though? does no one read mod posts

[anahit]

sorry didn’t mean that to come off like that

just frustrated with not just you about this but the seeming lack of multiple people doing so throughout

[anahit]

toogeloo probably +/ but that’s mostly just due to not greeting

like would cross fingers dwlee be like

really really bad?

[anahit]

will vote toogeloo if yes to the above

[anahit]

seniority i assume

probably works just like last morning tweet game

can’t really fetch reasonably because phone

[anahit]

i thought e-1 too because sircakez left wagon then went back

[anahit]

but not completely sure

[anahit]

VOTE: greeting

[anahit]

VOTE: eden'sflame
gonna start here for now but my reads are clearly off somewhere

hm

why start here tho

sighhhhhhhhhh

[anahit]

I don't understand the purpose of the hammer especially in light of 514.

better question is why it shifted hard to greeting

i hammered because it was going through and i figured with the lack of actual wording dedicated to what exactly happens and how compulsive eliminations happens here as opposed to it being explained to us in previous games that hammering was better than not doing so just to be safe

[anahit]

it was just my most prominent scumread left from yesterday I probably will be moving soon enough but I'm waiting for people to come in

hm, okay

was just wondering if you thought edensflame's defense of greeting was somehow scum indicative in light of flips

[anahit]

Mad Hatters Tea Party, Isis, Toogeloo, mc esther, SirCakez, Dwlee99, anahit

Scum somewhere in Isis, Toog, mc, Dwlee, ana

what

you think my hammering a wagon that was always going through minutes to deadline when i wanted the other wagon and had been saying for some time at that point 'not greeting' is potentially +scum there

not that i really understand the premise here as a whole (as to why sort this first vs that but anywhere works, so!) but sure i'll agree there's likely mafia in the middle names

[anahit]

It's just pure wagonomics I haven't looked at the votes as they happened yet

yeah to be fair all of the middle votes seem kinda bad to me, so yeah,

[anahit]

[anahit]

I don't understand the purpose of the hammer especially in light of 514.

better question is why it shifted hard to greeting

i hammered because it was going through and i figured with the lack of actual wording dedicated to what exactly happens and how compulsive eliminations happens here as opposed to it being explained to us in previous games that hammering was better than not doing so just to be safe

I guess you're telling me that it's better play to hammer there because that's how you've been trained?

no? i am trying to tell you that i hammered because, despite knowing there are compulsive eliminations, we were not actually informed as to what happens at deadline without meeting the 7 votes, unlike last morning tweet game

so while it's safe to assume that it works the same, as that seems 99% to me,

the other 1% is like, but what if we were not told for gameplay reasons, which would probably always mean there was incentive for someones to prevent majority, which is pretty much never going to be town aligned

so if it worked like, mafia picks elimination in case of no majority or whatever, then it is better to hammer

so 99% it is the same and 1% it is better to hammer

was pretty much the extent of my thought process

[anahit]

zzz

[anahit]

The hammer itself I thought needed to be addressed,

hm,

i guess i do not really understand why as i do not see how it could potentially be viewed as 'ani hammered because she is a scums!'

so at best it is like, 'ani did a weird thing'

[anahit]

I'll throw in that I'm not exactly upset that MadHatters was the night kill because that saves me from trying to decipher their posts. It seems that mafia would have wanted them to live if nothing else but for that reason alone.

I tried to reread Hatter to figure out why fae got nightkilled but I fell asleep like after 3 minutes

the nightkill speculation here is pretty ... and kinda ..!

[anahit]

VOTE: pooky

[anahit]

I townread you even more anahit but I don't understand all of your logic here as of yet

it's just so hard for me to see how galron or pooky would have had these thoughts with regards to the nightkill

like why would galron think that would be mafia's deciding factor in choice selection

and pooky thinking 'hm i need to reread mad hatters tea party to have any idea as to why nightkilled' seems ???

[anahit]

also vote this one today

why would we just vote the other wagon from yesterday

as opposed to attempting to solve further

like why is your approach here

just do this

when we have lots of time and for some reason everyone seems intent on not using it

[anahit]

VOTE: pooky

y this one

pooky is playing from outerspace and other considerations

[anahit]

didnt u want too or waw that sm1 else

i mean, i didn't particularly, but so what if i did, does that automatically make toogeloo the correct elimination today?

like i really really do not understand;

do you think there is not any new information to be gained?

[anahit]

do you think there is not any new information to be gained?

do you think no new information has been gained since that time?

do you think greeting and mad hatters tea party's flips make toogeloo more likely to be mafia? i am not even sure why you thought toogeloo was likely to be mafia in the first place?

[anahit]

VOTE: pooky

y this one

and y not this one? are you townreading pooky? and if so, why? does pooky's play right now not feel like what you would expect mafia's play taking a particular angle to the game which can later be explained as a town angle to you?

[anahit]

do you think there is not any new information to be gained?

do you think no new information has been gained since that time?

do you think greeting and mad hatters tea party's flips make toogeloo more likely to be mafia? i am not even sure why you thought toogeloo was likely to be mafia in the first place?

also @ahri in case unclear

[anahit]

case on pooky is pretty much what i've just written in the past few posts and toogeloo's post

[anahit]

you can also answer the question with regards to pooky's play that i asked ahri if you'd like

[anahit]

I don't really agree with this take. I think pooky isn't doing anything in particular right now

okay why wouldn't pooky be doing anything in particular?

[anahit]

Because he is bored? Idk. Look one thing I've learned with Pooky is I don't think he is susceptible to typical tells.

i too have played with pooky quite a bit and this kinda feels like

like a mafia angle that could easily be explained as a town angle to me

but also could just be town, shrug,

which i am trying to get to the bottom of

[anahit]

and also i could just be functioning under a completely broken view of the game

which seems more and more possible the more all of town seems intent on vote for slot and otherwise not play

[anahit]

better question is why it shifted hard to greeting

could someone try to answer this one for me tho

[anahit]

please

[anahit]

especially if you believe toogeloo to be mafia?? because then that seems like a rather pressing question

[anahit]

I guess the why might be more complicated but the how is a sequence of votes from cakez + mc Esther + me

yes the why for the shift

+ the why for like, everyone opposed being ignored,

like yes i know who voted,

sorry for being unclear, head very fuzzy

[anahit]

and now you think ahri likely mafia, right, so why ahri dedicated most of yesterday to defending greeting,

[anahit]

i town

you understand angle it feels like you're taking tho, yes?

[anahit]

My vote was to make sure we got to a hammer

Do you find these posts insufficient explanation?

i mean, i do not really think either is much of an explanation, especially as i then reminded cakez that it was compulsive eliminations, ?

why did you feel we needed a hammer?

(i know i hammered and so forth but it seems unlikely to me you were thinking along the same lines that far out)

[anahit]

i town

you understand angle it feels like you're taking tho, yes?

thats not even how i play scum? i think you remember from last time no?

hm, i think mostly i am not communicating this well, it feels like a lot of players are playing similarly though most do not feel as distant as you have i guess, and i can think of various town reasons for this here with the knowledge we have sure, but like, mafia can obvious think of those reasons as well and reverse engineer the town thought process pretty easily, and it felt like you were aware of this with things you said yesterday, but also could just be the town thing like i said, idk,

(and also i think you're a fairly adaptable scum player and i read a lot of games i am not in so i don't need to draw specifically from first hand knowledge)

[anahit]

I

like do you really think mc esther moving to greeting after sircakez seemingly settles for toogeloo is really a sufficient explanation in light of flips and such?

but i guess part of the reason i was also trying to ask those suspicious of toogeloo specifically is like, why they do not seem to be building these things as that would be pretty !!! if you felt toogeloo was the very most likely mafia, yes?

[anahit]

Yes let's yeet ahri, I agree ana

this does not currently seem like best course of action to me though i would like ahri to respond to things and so forth

[anahit]

VOTE: Ahri

First decent scumread of the game is nice
Would've liked to have it day 1 though

okay but why do you scumread ahri?

[anahit]

VOTE: Ahri

First decent scumread of the game is nice
Would've liked to have it day 1 though

okay but why do you scumread ahri?

as i feel as though the two of you had very very similar day 1s?

[anahit]

as i feel as though the two of you had very very similar day 1s?

both defending greeting at all chances and suggesting other wagons etc

[anahit]

like sure i noted that ahri actually made greeting more likely to be eliminated at end of day not less by moving to isis

while she was defending greeting

but also you made greeting elimination more likely with vote on dwlee as opposed to toogeloo

like i said, very very similar day ones

so i am curious about your reasoning here

[anahit]

is there a reason

everyone is ignoring toogeloo

?

like

...

[anahit]

????????

please unvote

[anahit]

like if you think toogeloo stance here is unlikely to be truthful

or convenient

please say so sure

but trying to push through wagon on someone claiming a guilty is ?!?!?!?!?!!?

[anahit]

UNVOTE:
Wait what

is there like

another interpretation of toogeloo posts?

that i am somehow missing

[anahit]

Okay we can go with your vote

guess i am also curious as to why you thought i was voting for toogeloo?/wanted others to vote for toogeloo? here

[anahit]

Idk you said ignore which sounded like a "ignoring being scummy" thing

oh hm

it just felt very strange to me that multiple people were coming to the thread and commenting on various things but just completely ignoring toogeloo

[anahit]

The overall arc feels like toog stepped into a softly pressured slot and started meming because splitting people 50/50 on what to make of you is plenty enough to survive light pressure in a game where numerous slots have gotten shade. Maybe I'm confbiased.

Pedit: well that is my why!

kinda weird pedit here

[anahit]

I think Anahit's reaction though basically town spews them though.

I agree regardless of Toog alignment

was going to say that

if all i had to do as town was be townread i would be pretty good at this game

[anahit]

but alas

[anahit]

The overall arc feels like toog stepped into a softly pressured slot and started meming because splitting people 50/50 on what to make of you is plenty enough to survive light pressure in a game where numerous slots have gotten shade. Maybe I'm confbiased.

Pedit: well that is my why!

kinda weird pedit here

Kinda a weird previewed post! I think even if you disagree, having no comprehension of why Toogeloo pings people is odd.

At a basic level I find Eden's flame scummy in their approach to the game but I'm more interested in onwagon so I can only be frustrated.

hm,

just weird to see a pedit for a post made 8+ minutes earlier that happens to have been answered directly by your post,

[anahit]

I felt good about Cakez day 1 but I feel less good about him day 2, I'm surprised you're inverted Galron

What are you liking?

Pointing on the umpteenth reason to townread anahit seemed kind of more benefitting-to-scum-than-town to me

Well, see that's a problem because I really am not liking anyone other than anahit except for toogs, but that is tempered by their predecessor, and maybe Cakez.

I can certainly why someone with one town read benefits scum, but I can't tell from your post whether you think I'm scum because I have just one town read, because I have just one town read and I've mentioned that I townread her at least twice, because other people have evinced a town read on her and I just needlessly contributed to it or whether you're accusing me of scum-siding at all and I'm just inadvertently helping scum by throwing more laurel-leaves anahit's way.

i think(?) isis was referring to cakez agreeing with townread of me for treatment of toogeloo's 'claim' here

like she was asking, what are you liking about cakez's day 2 as

this

is something i am disliking

[anahit]

It seemed incredibly serendipitous to me which is a type of weird so maybe from your perspective weird make sense.

If your angle is "fake pedit" I don't think I'd ever do that as scum, since I would worry about the contents of the pedit seeming faked. I'm intrigued by the concept now though

maybe i should have said 'noteworthy' as opposed to weird here

i didn't really have an angle here as much as like, hmmmmmm

i am willing to accept 'i would not fake pedit' at face value (though i have myself done this)

but we are still left with

isis begins writing a two sentence post, posts it 11 minutes later, which still seems notable

but there is no expectation for you to explain this or anything as like,

there have been dozens if not hundreds of times where i had a thought/began writing a post and did not post it for at least 10 minutes, as i am often posting when otherwise occupied and! i easily become distracted

just seemed like an oddity to me

like the combination of time between the previous and your pedit and your post functioning as a direct reply to the pedited post was a sort of perfect storm yeah

serendipitous is perhaps the word

[anahit]

there have been dozens if not hundreds of times where i had a thought/began writing a post and did not post it for at least 10 minutes, as i am often posting when otherwise occupied and! i easily become distracted

also sometimes due to unsuredness but! that one is almost certainly not alignment neutral

[anahit]

I suspect Cakez was fishing me earlier irt my first post on Day 2, and then flipped their read on me as a scum read. My suspicion is they wanted me to play my hand, if I had one.

I think Pooky is laying low as well and didn't know if I actually had info or not.

hm, thoughts on ahri and isis posts after your first post on day 2?

[anahit]

sigh {pooky, ahri, x} yeah

[anahit]

edensflame?

idk phone and sad

[anahit]

will be less sad if mafia;

think edensflame probably still likely in that situation