Ninjas can obviously murder without being detected.
Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6
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In post 69, shos wrote:so you have no reason to belive otherwise...that means your default is that everyone is scum? so the empty Zar slot for example, it is scum too? why not lynch it?
O_o
anyway, you're probably not retarded, so you're trolling.. oh well~
eh, ninja'd by three posts:
@uber:
firstly, I didn't see it was broken till next time I got to the page; if I'm not online with others like now, I just submit and ctrl w, I don't look at the post I made.
secondly, I suppose that even if I did see it I wouldn't care enough to fix it, since it was a random vote, not to be taken seriously.
third - are you seriously asking this?
Hey! My Slot isn't empty! </3
Anyway:
In post 68, UberNinja wrote:Me and Vi are going to make cute little tiger babies that wear hats and ties and look all innocent.
Your babies can be innocent, even if you're not xD.
Now seriously why are you all voting Parama and not the Ninja?
Look at him, he backed out of his push before it got out hand, but opted on leaving a placeholder. Already worrying about looking good?-
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In post 117, diddin wrote:00berninja reads as noobtown trying too hard, not particularly scummy. shos, on the other hand, is flailing scum.
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In post 179, Parama wrote:Yeah it's true.
I don't know why I'm not being lynched really but I'll accept it :B
Parama = Meh.
I think you could maybe tell if there are other things/players you find suspicious besides your shos thoughts, rather than pulling a victim card. #justsayin'-
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In post 166, Zar wrote:In post 117, diddin wrote:00berninja reads as noobtown trying too hard, not particularly scummy. shos, on the other hand, is flailing scum.
Care to ellaborate on the reasons for both opinions?
diddin: You've already covered your thoughts on shos.
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In post 234, UberNinja wrote:Zar, are you scum?
Nope.
(Ninja: just go read your ROLE PM closely, you'll notice my name is not listed among your night time buddies. xD)
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In post 235, shos wrote:whatever I think is scummy, I mention, Zar. so you can go over my posts and see about specifics; so far there haven't been incredible scumslips in my opinion, but only slightly scummy things. Diddin and Uber and Parama are my top three so far. I think the case on quilford isn't quite legit, but I want to see more about how people play here so I'm kinda avoiding stating my thoughts about that.
^^ I think this is a genuine response and most like to come from a townie player. So I'm currently leaning townish on shos.
also, you can see my last post right on top of you for example - what's OMGUSy in my play? O_o
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In post 258, Chiarosicada wrote:Quilford wrote:i was getting shitty gut reactions from Parama's voters because of the way they handled the wagon, but I find their reasoning for parama being scum as valid
Can you elaborate on this? If their reasoning for Parama being scum is valid, aren't you implying that either 1. they're bussing Parama or 2. there's more than one scumgroup?
UberNinja wrote:Furc, read the link I posted to Mini 1318. You too, Chiaro. It's 3 pages tops; not asking you to meta me or anything, but it's stupid to lynch someone on page 3, and I just destroyed a town that did it to a VI. Shos, while he may be a VI-scum, is still a bad idea to lynch. The guy in Mini 1318 literally claimed scum, and he was still a townie.
I agree that it would be a bad idea to lynch shos. However, I don't think any player except maybe shos himself saw the wagon going anywhere, and I don't think you're an exception. As such, I see your words and unvote as oppotunistic white-knighting.
However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him.
Chiaro basically promised to come with more contribution about three RL days ago and this is the only thing he has managed to produce? Really?
Ew. This has to be one of the worst posts (if not, the worst) in this thread so far. First of all its so wishy washy it hurts. It also takes the opportunity to tag along with another's opinion. (Which is what, the second time Chiaro parrots another players thoughts?). It also looks like something a buddy would use as an excuse to vote for a partner.
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In post 276, Furcolow wrote:Zar you disappoint me
why?
In post 277, Chiarosicada wrote:
As for being wishy-washy, I've gotten that both as town and as scum but I don't agree with the accusation. Mafia's a nuanced game and town lacks information. I think it's worse to have certainty of players' alignments on page 3, which some people in this game have claimed to have.
How do you think your contribution is helping?
In post 284, diddin wrote:Why are people voting chiaro again?
IMO, The few posts where Chiaro has allegedly contributed take stances only after other players have stated an intents. Chiaro's general tone and opinions land in a safe zone. Being wishy washy is a good way of sensing momentum to hop into a wagon. Chiaro doesn't strike me as truly engaged on the scumhunt at this point.
I also think this post is a good reason to keep voting Chiaro from his own words:
In post 307, Chiarosicada wrote:
My philosophy as town is generally to be transparent with my thoughts, even if others might call it sheeping. The theory is that my towniness will show through eventually to other town who think similarly... but I guess that's not true, and I suppose can understand why. And everyone should be afraid of being lynched, town included. We only know our own alignment and you're helping town by not getting lynched.
In other news, I need to do more than defend myself and give the game a re-read.
I don't see any scum-hunting intent, only an interest in giving the impression of looking town. Furthermore, it sounds as another bid for more time. Somehow, I don't bode well with players that keep saying they will come back without delivering. It's a good strategy for scum to look like they are trying to make an effort to help, and I suspect this is one of those cases.-
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In post 357, UberNinja wrote:Ok, after re-reading, someone stuck out to me like a sore thumb.
Zar.
I barely even noticed him before this, but now that I've studied his play, it's almostallbad.
He asks questions instead of asserting opinions.
How can you claim you have barely even noticed me, when you've addressed questions to me more than once?
People need time to deliver answers. If I chose not to keep harassing them with the same question, it's because my focus is in something that strikes me as more suspicious at the time.
Oh but I have. I called you scum, and gave reason for it. I call Chiaro scum, and gave the reasons for it. The fact that you don't like me calling you scum or that you don't like my Chiaro case doesn't mean I don't take a stances. Notice I keep my vote where my suspicions are?
How is calling for a wagon and starting another one willfully staying out of the spotlight?
Uh no. I post when I find things that seem suspicious. Not that this thread is a haven of thriving activity anyway.
?? Are you a poet now?
No. Diddin wanted to know why people where voting Chiaro. I voted him first, so I decided to explain my reasons to vote him and given Chiaro's reaction to votes on him decided to explain why I felt my vote was still good.
I think I'll just respond to wherever you've said something that can be considered an opinion, not where you've paraphrased me for fluffing. Let's see:
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:
Look at him, he backed out of his push before it got out hand, but opted on leaving a placeholder. Already worrying about looking good?
More RVS stuff, half-ass smear of me trying to look good (i.e. the only stance he's taken so far... and the only reason it's backed up with a vote is because his RVS vote was already on me).
I kept my vote on you because you suddenly claimed to have discovered scum after an obvious joke.
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:In post 165, Zar wrote:Quilford: do you have any scumreads? / suspects?
Asks a question. Doesn't follow up on it.
Quilford was pursuing Parama after I came back?
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:
Parama = Meh
I think you could maybe tell if there are other things/players you find suspicious besides your shos thoughts, rather than pulling a victim card. #justsayin'
Either this is coaching a scumbuddy, or it's coaching a townie. I can't tell which.
ANSWER: None of the above. I'm saying Parama's reaction strikes me as unhelpful rather than alignment telling. Parama = Meh = Null.
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:
In post 241, Zar wrote:In post 234, UberNinja wrote:Zar, are you scum?
Nope.
(Ninja: just go read your ROLE PM closely, you'll notice my name is not listed among your night time buddies. xD)
Nervous reaction joke, fearing that saying "Nope" wouldn't be convincing enough... then jokes about me being scum instead of him.
It's becoming obvious.
That you're stretching? Yeah, It is becoming obvious. Because what I am doing there is asserting my suspicion on you in a condescending tone.
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:
In post 241, Zar wrote:
Okay Parama, please tell me you're not implying that RVS is a well-defined and separate game stage?
Takes a dig at Parama for what Parama is extremely obviously already criticizing someone else for.
a) not paying attention to context
b) trying to make someone else look bad/foolish
Nothing in Parama's question makes it clear that he's not implying what I asked him. I wanted clarification.
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:In post 242, Zar wrote:In post 235, shos wrote:whatever I think is scummy, I mention, Zar. so you can go over my posts and see about specifics; so far there haven't been incredible scumslips in my opinion, but only slightly scummy things. Diddin and Uber and Parama are my top three so far. I think the case on quilford isn't quite legit, but I want to see more about how people play here so I'm kinda avoiding stating my thoughts about that.
^^ I think this is a genuine response and most like to come from a townie player. So I'm currently leaning townish on shos.
also, you can see my last post right on top of you for example - what's OMGUSy in my play? O_o
What I considered OMGussy of your play comes from me ISOing you. It seemed to me your suspicions on players are focused on those that have either attacked you or voted you.
Did his consideration regarding shos' OMGUSy behavior revert, based on his new "currently leaning townish" read on shos?
No, but it's convenient to have a "leaning townish" read on shos if he does end up flipping town.
Eh, last time I checked, we really don't have a certainty of anyone's alignment. The best way I know to narrow my suspect pool relies on reactions to votes and reactions to reactions. So, based on this, I find players more suspicious than others based on the way they respond to posts. Also being OMGUssy =/= being scum, it only means that the reason driving those cases doesn't seem good.
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:Is it conclusive that he's scum? No. But it's surprisingly unnoticeable and I'm getting strange vibes from it.
Wishy-washy.
In post 357, UberNinja wrote:I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.
This is a pretty safe stance. It asserts a supposed scumread, but then quickly backs off. It suggests game strategy, which could well be interpreted as an attempt of pretending to be helpful without being fully committed . The tone of the case to me like what somebody would do if he were interested in sensing the momentum to try to divert a wagon. Whether this case is a direct result of the Chiaro wagon is TBD.-
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Yosarian strikes me as townish from his contributions.
#118 + #143 strike me as honest suspicion of Parama.
#145 I liked his response to UN's 144, who seems eager to stretch whatever is happening.
#154 feels like a genuine pro-town response. Day 1 is mostly for gathering information. True, you may find certain players suspicious, but hardly you will have a hard opinion on everyone (or on most players) by page 7.
#380 I like that he's asking for explanations of cases on other people have.
#403 & #414 look like ideas coming from an innocent mindset. I agree with him on what I would expect from someone looking for possible connections in the scumhunt. It's not like Kanye's case on Quilford is based on these connections (which would make a terrible case).-
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I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?
Being pissed and asking for a replacement doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, it strikes me as a theatrical from somoene who doesn't think he can reason with whomever is pushing for his wagon.
As for the replacement, I don't see Elmo doing anything striking me as odd or weird to make me want to lynch him.-
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Not liking my reread of Furcolow: just noticed all his votes and cases have piled up on running wagons.
#43 fourth vote on the shos wagon
#114 is a parrot of my #80 (and second vote on UN)
#197 is the third vote again on the shos wagon
#312 is the fourth vote on the Quilford/Elmo wagon
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In post 490, Parama wrote:I looked at 487 and saw scummalicious scum
Can you explain what you meant to say in 354, then?
In post 354, Parama wrote:In post 351, diddin wrote:chiaro is actually a good lynch, lots of fencesitting going on from that slot. shos first though
this is it.
diddin/chiaro
convincing enough
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I am a dissuaded of thinking they could be scum together, mostly based on these two posts:
In post 425, UberNinja wrote:
If your slot isn't town I'm going to fucking murder you. Do something goddamn useful.
In post 430, UberNinja wrote:In post 427, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:In post 372, Nuwen wrote:Kanye has no reason to diligently tunnel on the Quilford slot as scum, with so much other fucking fodder in this game. I read his convinction as stronk and value the support behind my top wagon.The replacement has done nothing to alleviate my scum read on it, especially after voting for Kanye.At this point in the game, scum really have no choice but to attack their attackers.
So do you want me to go after you as well as Kayne? I italicized about your "scum read" on my slot (Quils replacement)
It seemed you voted Quil on a case that he flip flopped like John Kerry and replaced out under pressure. Looking at your reasons they're not half bad but for the wrong reasons. Right now your tunneling on me is quite laughable. What I don't get is you want more votes because this wagon is stalling. I attack Kayne and Vi joins almost instantly to vote him as well. Really I don't have a good read on you and Uber is probscum along with Kayne. But thats a reach there.
You just said a few posts ago that I'm chainsawing. That term only applies when both are scum, if I'm not mistaken.
If I'm probscum, why are you not voting me? Who are the scum in the game, only the people attacking you?
I don't think either of these two posts is likely to come from a partner.-
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In post 492, Parama wrote:fos buddy vote townie
except shos is actually possibly scum maybe
idunnolol
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Somehow, i don't think scum would give this as an answer, at least with all the attention Parama has been gathering.
I think scum tends to be more calculated in their posts, more even so if they've been suspected on day one.-
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In post 519, UberNinja wrote:Summation of the game for Katsuki:
Quickwagon on shos D1, I unvote because it I just recently won a game as scum that started with a quickhammer on D1, Parama starts acting scummy and we wagon him, shos wagon disintegrates as people go over there instead, YOS IS SCUM, Parama cries foul, people start switching to voting other people, I take flak for being myself, FURCOLOW IS AWESOME, Vi makes statements like "y u no vote Parama hnnnggg", nobody really listens, I keep trying to get people to vote for Yos, and he starts flexing his 2005 and telling people I'm scummy for shit that makes no sense, Nuwen starts saying Quilford is scum for calling her and Yos scum, people wagon Quilford, he replaces out for Elmo TeH AzN, YOS IS SCUM STILL, Chiarosicada has been suspected vaguely by a lot of people since then, CHARTER IS PROBTOWN, kanye keeps throwing shit around to see where it sticks because that's all he's done all game, tunneling on Quilford because he's the major wagon, Nuwen also thinks Quilford's slot is scum with all her poor misguided heart, I keep saying that YOS IS SCUM to everyone but nobody believes me,and currently we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye that seems pretty likely to reveal scum, and then Pirate Chemist replaces Chiarosicada and you replace diddin who lurked a lot. Throughout all this time, Zar hasn't been doing much except being indignantly self-righteous yet strangely under-the-radar, which is why I didn't remember to mention him until now.
Based on my patented "find scum by looking for experienced/weighty players who don't seem to be playing up to snuff" methodology, scum lies in Yos, Vi, and Zar. According to the "scummy people are scum" methodology (which is widely overused, based on it's relative inaccuracy), Chiaro, Parama, and I are scum.
I tend to think it's a mix of the two, but the right mix isn't revealing itself to me yet. Perhaps tomorrow.
Everything else you'll have to read for yourself.
So Kanye is in neither of your lists, but you're voting him because he's pretty likely to reveal scum? WTF?
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I am in favor of the Ninja wagon.
I also think the "voting block" is a cheap way of hiding a buddy among the crowd. The supposed "let's force scum to vote with us" can't work without a flip, and also tampers with possible voting analysis. Perfect environment to frame other players.
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In post 578, Vi wrote:I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.
I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with. If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.-
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In post 591, kanyeknowsbest wrote:In post 453, Zar wrote:I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?
i never said i was voting him for joke votes. dont know where you got that impression.
This is the post where you gave the reasons to why you thought quilford/elmo was scum:
In post 392, kanyeknowsbest wrote:want more reasons why i think quilford slot is scum? here you go:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
^^ Is basically a link to the entire ISOs of both players, which includes quilford's joke votes. Since you said it was damning evidence, I was wondering what you were including into this criteria.
In post 591, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
the initial vote was off him waffling hard as fuck on parama and trying to set up shit on yos/nuwen. since that, his reactions have been to try and act ragey and indignant at the votes on him (hes not good at this) and then he replaced out in a fashion similar to the way he did it as scum in a game both yos and i played with him before. all of that is more than enough for me to want him lynched.
being pissed and asking for a replacement isnt a scumtell, except for when that player has acted the same way before and it bears striking resemblance to their scumplay.
I don't really see how is introductory vote is waffling. It just feels like an inside joke. I can understand the concept of scum being able to stage anger, but I don't see scum-intent in wanting to extend the day phase to increase discussion.
In post 591, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
and elmo has been scummy as fuck since he got back. he tried to play nice with me when he first replaced in and distance himself from quilford. when that failed he omgus'd and has done absolutely nothing of value since. my vote is not moving until elmo is lynched. hes caught fucking scum and im not letting him get away sorry!
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In post 654, Vi wrote:
<image macro with the word "wat" goes here>In post 653, Zar wrote:I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectivelywhen we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with.
Most of Day One is for information gathering, IMO. We could have a good case, only if the scum is godawful playing.
How many times have you seen this done?If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.
I've seen this in a Game where the Traitor managed to be named King by a Kingmaker. The Traitor narrowed the lynch candidates to four scummy town players, and let the town basically tear each other apart to take the scum to victory. I've also seen this in a game where another Traitor managed to save one of the Goons by discrediting the people on the wagon.-
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In post 657, kanyeknowsbest wrote:@zar obvious hyperbole.
and you dont see the scum intent behind someone not opposing a lynch and standing to the sidelines hoping for the vote to go through? i dont believe that.
are you talking about quilford's thoughts on the Parama lynch?
The way I see it, Day one is for information gathering. The shortest the day is, the least interactions there will be. This benefits the scum because they can get the night through with a low informative kill. And basically, we're left in a very similar position to the one we started on Day One if such thing happens.-
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I still think the Chiaro slot (replacement included) fits the profile of low activity scum.
As for Furcolow, I don't understand what this general positive impression is based on. Is it the aggressive tone? Can someone give be the basis of their Furcolow town read?-
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Seriously? WHY is Furc a top town read?
Furcolow stinks a la Roquefort.
"I just want to say something to hop into your wagon."
In post 114, Furcolow wrote:unvote;
vote: uberninja
townread on both of the top wagons
i dislike the way uberninja is trying to get the wagon off of shos, but is setting up for an easy excuse to jump on with his "he's probably scum but I don't want to lynch himyet"
"Let me just repeat what Zar said"
In post 209, Furcolow wrote:
I got a scumread on him, but I don't see that wagon going anywhere today
If it does pick up steam, I would jump on, because it has my support
I feel like he is flailing the same way shos did earlier in the game. Shos jumping onto your wagon, and then back off when it didn't build steam, has me questioning my read on you tbh.
"Yada Yada, I want to have an opportunity to say I suspected him before"
In post 214, Furcolow wrote:
you can be scum, but i don't see you making that gambit as scum, so you're being sarcastic
Wishy Washy
placeholder on Vi.
In post 615, Furcolow wrote:So you think Vi is scum? I had a townread on her, but I'm feeling like some pressure there would be nice. I'm tired of her defenses, honestly, and am wondering if she's just trying to buy town cred
unvote;
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I isod Nuwen, and I'm just now seeing it. There are much better candidates.
Huh? ViTown? What was 538 about?
And seriously, the only vote he's put that isn't a wagon hop was on me. And the reason? Asking other people where did FurcTown come from?
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In post 786, shos wrote:
look at UN's bandwagoning again. this is what, the 5th person he's voting already?
Eh, I don't see how that specifically is a reason for anyone to be scum. Some players just vote more than others.-
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In post 810, shos wrote:no it's not a threat; but your last few posts are really void of any content.
In post 815, UberNinja wrote:Unabashed Uncensored Unleashed Unbridled Unrated Conjecture Time!
I am going back through to ISO all of these players (both simultaneously) and see what I can see. I'm not going to do 3 at once because that's stupid. But I can draw connections well enough based on 2 players, so here are the possible scum pairs, and I will give my thoughts on each along with the likelihood, when I get the chance.
Spoiler: Possible scum pairings
Everyone else feel free to comment on this as well, or make your own.
I've left myself out of this list as I know I'm not scum, but if you want to add me in your own, be my guest.
It'll be more material for me to analyze.
UN-usefulwithout a lynch flip.
In post 853, Vi wrote:Zar, juuuuuuuust checking, but are you at all conscious of the game you are playing right now?~
Honestly, can we get over with this day?
Tiers:
Tier 1:
Would Gladly Lynch:
Uberninja, Pirate, Furcolow
Tier 2:
Would Compromise (in order of preference):
Elmo, Kanye, Nuwen, Katsuki, Parama
Tier 3:
Town Reads:
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In post 862, Zar wrote:
Tiers:
Tier 1:
Would Gladly Lynch:
Uberninja, Pirate, Furcolow
Tier 2:
Would Compromise (in order of preference):
Elmo, Kanye, Nuwen, Katsuki, Parama
Tier 3:
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In post 937, Vi wrote:
Because you're scum? I mean seriously. We're talking about the guy who madeIn post 932, Yosarian2 wrote:
Also; Zar? Really?In post 928, Vi wrote:I want to unvote Yos2 for Zar but at the same time I don't want to unvote Yos2.
Why is it that ALL of your scum reads this game make zero sense to me, Vi?
this invisivote with crappy reasons, the guy who posts this right after people say "consolidate your votes losers" and even goes as far as to sayZar 576 wrote:I am in favor of the Ninja wagon.
I also think the "voting block" is a cheap way of hiding a buddy among the crowd. The supposed "let's force scum to vote with us" can't work without a flip, and also tampers with possible voting analysis. Perfect environment to frame other players.
UNVOTE
VOTE: UBERNINJA
, and then goes ahead andZar 862 wrote:Honestly, can we get over with this day?
makes this L-1 vote without really bothering to defend Furcolow over UN.Zar 898 wrote:@shos: Fine.
UNVOTE
VOTE UBERNINJA
L-1? It's L-3 at that point.
And for what point, according to you, should I continue to pursue the dead-end Furcolow wagon over UN? Other than looking the other way + agreeing having him in a voting block, you haven't bothered saying what exactly makes any of you think he's town aligned. None of you, with the exception of Yosarian and shos, have stated reasons for thinking he's innocent.
All we've been doing here is go for ages over the same wagon. I'm honestly worried the lack of scrutiny in that direction (Furc), but if all that's left is compromising, so be it.-
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In post 953, Vi wrote:
Trying to look Town.Zar 948 wrote:And for what point, according to you, should I continue to pursue the dead-end Furcolow wagon over UN?
Also, failing.
Meh.
I thought you'd be a better player, TBH.
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In post 959, kanyeknowsbest wrote:@un wth
also i dont think we can apply the ellitell to pirate. it looks to me like he just site flaked completely. saying that he was extremely active in another game is exaggerating the fact that he made all of 4 posts in another game that was much further along than this one less than a day after his last post here. that said, i didnt see his supposed scum claim before. i think thats actually a pretty solid strike against him. i still want to reread before i move my vote but as of now thats where its gonna go.
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In post 973, UberNinja wrote:Hmmm... in the interest of gaining information, I'll vote Vi, Yos, or Chiaro/replacement, and I'm warming up to Nuwen as scum too.
Explain to me, how you can have a Viscum case, and then claim to vote her in interest of gaining information.
In post 974, UberNinja wrote:
Why's this vote sound like it's ready, waiting, and begging to be blamed on shos?
Just saiyan
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#980, UN wrote:Zar wrote:and that is one of my problems with Uberscum. It feels like he's inventing cases which he does not believe in, in order to look contributory.
Have you ever seen me-scum before?
How is this relevant to your in-game behavior?
Yes you do.
Statements like the one in #973 make for a funny choice of words about a player you have been making a case upon. It is similar to what you did in #519, while explaining reasons on keeping a vote on someone you did not list among your suspects.
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In post 988, UberNinja wrote:
The fact you're both still trying to chop my head off feels scummy to me,since you *both* know I act hella scummy regardless of my alignment.
The only thing the above statement is telling me is that we should analyze you based on your behavior in game and not rely on your META, which would be as useful as the shell of a cooked escargot.
You are also admitting that the underlying reason you suspect me is based on me suspecting you. How is that not short-sighted and total OMGUS?-
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In post 993, UberNinja wrote:
Zar is scum. No two ways about it. I'll eat my finest feathered bonnet if he's town.
Would you at least bother on giving reasons? All you're doing here is placing a bet. :rollseyes:-
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and yet you finally decide to barely mention him AFTER being called out for it?
I'm glad you're out of "u suk" images. Because I'd borrow a few and line them up for you.-
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UN: Other than talking about your scumread on Yosarian and Vi, all you did there was put up a list of speculative partnerships in your spoiler tags.
I fail to see how this is significantly useful unless we have a lynch flip: and by the way, here's another Uber-fail: if you believe Vi and Pirate are likely partners, why are you're listing Pirate among your town-reads? Please explain how this is not contradictory.-
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UN:
>_>
Let's take a look at what you said about me:
"He doesn't mention Yosarian until I ask him in 419 what he thinks. Has a town read on Yosarian. Great! Yosarian comes in post 800+ and mentions him. Their scum tactic is to mention each other about every 400 posts."
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In post 1032, shos wrote:
I fail to see any case on Zar.
it seems to me that Uberninja has tried to check Yos2 for scum couples and saw he had little interaction with Zar, and therefore concluded that Zar is scum. I have no idea why, tho.
This adds to my case against Uberninja.
^ QFT
Well, at least I am happy that Ninjascum's reads may be confirmed un-useful soon enough.-
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In post 1034, UberNinja wrote:Everyone else gets it. The only reason to pretend not to is either because you're scum with Zar or because you're Zar.
Well, and then there's shos, who I don't think is pretending; he actually really seems to be that dense/tunneling on me.
Try ISOing me and Ctrl-F-ing "Zar", shos.
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Nothing here.
Has a wishy washy stance on speculated suspicion. Admits to having nothing.
This is not correct (Forgetful Ninja?). Your first attempted fluff case on me acknowledged me questioning diddin, twice. Still nothing.
Nothing here.
#1) "looking for evidence to justify his conclusions rather than the other way around" <- what does that even mean?
#2) So you like that Chiaro doesn't like my cases on him or you. *acts surprised* (Hint: Core reason for Ninja voting me is here)
#3) Newsflash: I did mention him again, in my tiers post.
#4) BTW, you keep saying I "randomly defended" my chiaro vote. As I said in my response to your first attempted fluff-case on me, did you not read diddin's reasons for voting chiaro, which I gave.
Also FTR, there is nothing yet to make me rethink my stance on the Chiaro slot (Hiraki has yet to come with comments, reads, thoughts).
Roquefort-quality-smellingraisonMaking a partnership case without flips. :/
Nothing.
Nothing.
In post 993, UberNinja wrote:
Zar is scum. No two ways about it. I'll eat my finest feathered bonnet if he's town.
Unvote; Vote: Zar
This can also be a vote for Yos. I prefer Zar at this point though.
UberNinja thinking: "Let me call another counter-wagon that's not me as a last resort. I've been soft-pushing it all along anyway."
CONCLUSION: UN's CASE ON ZAR = OMGUS + Speculative Partnerships.
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In post 997, Vi wrote:
@Zar 996: I don't really see any reason to believe Furcolow is scum atm. But that's not as important as the fact that you claim to think otherwise.
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In post 1064, Vi wrote:@Zar 1061 - I see no contradiction. You're not pushing the person you claim to be a more attractive scumread than UberNinja (who happened to have a burgeoning wagon).
I never said Furcolow that I had a more attractive scumread on Furcolow. Furcolow seems like an unlynchable target, quite a good d1 investigative prospect, IMO.
I am interested in your reasons for calling him Fluff while claiming his behavior is pro-town though. That's what I want you to explain.-
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