Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

/confirm

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: D3x

Wagon ahoy!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

Wrong name.

Think you might've meant d3x.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The wagon ahoy post was a little scummy, because why the need to make a big deal out of wagoning except to make sure everyone knows just how town he is?

damn right people should know how town i am.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It's a Bird...It's a Plane...It's... a wagon!

Vote: Deas

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Bob get on this you know Deas' post was forced as hell.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Someone hammer GO GO GO

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I am 100% positive that I made a post last night switching from quadz to DV, commenting on the "oh this is so boring" line in DV's #148

hmm, even if someone hacked your account though they can't delete posts from here so eh, not sure.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Deas is obvtown

try again.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote BBmolla

Seriously, how can you say others ain't contributing when you're using your vote on someone just so they replace out... if you actually thought GNR was scummy, that'd be another story.

this is actually a really bad vote.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

levi/BB/om all read slight town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i haven't played for a while so i guess this is the new hotness for formatting of analysing people's iso posts

it sucks

actually, it's not.

i think it's a dumb thing they invented on the spot.

1. quoting posts never killed a man.
2. linking a post if you're too lazy/etc to quote never killed a man either.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, why is me being obvtown not a possibility?

b/c no one is deserving of obvtown yet.

unless he's willing to show me the 'obvtown', and it better not be retarded reasoning

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My reads are this so far.

serious question:

why did you feel the need to do this now?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do you feel that your ability to read me is greater than zoidberg's?

i call 'em like i see 'em, and no one is "obvtown" yet.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(also, what's interesting is he decided to attack quadz for his "shitty vote" on deas, but no other voter on deas...)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@MOD: V/LA for a couple of days.

Sorry, going to be a bit busy. Will check in if I get any chance.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry, gonna catch up later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry about being inactive thus far, but yay, games cleared up, so I'll be doing a full catch up tomorrow.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@GNR:

I'm a daycop with a guilty on you. What have you to say?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

Still catching up, but thus far BB and FT read like really town (FT > BB).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

nevermind. I thought kthx wasn't already on the GNR wagon, but I see he got off to vote zoidberg and then got back on. =P

The wagon was never at L-1 though so even if that is true it wouldn't have been a hammer

(yes, I'm still alive).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: GNR

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I thought he was at L-1, I didn't want to come in and hammer him before people could talk some more

^This seems like a BS excuse. There was literally a VC on the previous page with 5 votes on AGar + levi unvoted during that page. It's not that hard?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I should prob put some ~effort~ soon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Really? Is nobody going to comment on the THREE TOWN DEATHS NIGHT ONE? One death, no reason to comment, 3 deaths, you'd better have a fucking opinion and post it.

You're scum aren't you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wow bob isn't here anymore this is sad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Really? Is nobody going to comment on the THREE TOWN DEATHS NIGHT ONE? One death, no reason to comment, 3 deaths, you'd better have a fucking opinion and post it.

Please confess kthxbye.

(See what I did there)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Kthxbye - Leaning Town
Had as a town read through most of the ISO, but some of the recent posts, particularly votes, seem off. In particular, the Om vote seems out of place

Mmk yea I can roll with a kthx lynch.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait Zoidberg is also scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Quadz/UT/FT and to a lesser extent Om and d3x are all town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yea

Vote: Kthxbye

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait Zoidberg is also scum.

so...2 scum left? Explain 3 NK's then please.

Sorry buzzy I'm not scum now stop freaking speculating on shit that don't matter right now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So...by this logic, BB, Cyberbob, FourTrouble, levi, and Zoid are all scum as well. Are you really that bad at this game?

Do you... read?

I'm basing it on what he said, not that little piece of shit he bolded.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here's L-1 GNR. Care to explain why you gave us all your reads and didn't unvote the "leaning town" guy you have your vote on?

Well this ^ really reads scummy with partner interaction tbh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Are you high? Dead guys don't kill people...

Wut?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh right yea that was stupid I thought you said something diff.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

cuz he's sk

So true. Tsk tsk.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean I GUESS I can hammer FT if that's what you guys are waiting for? (though still prefer Zoid but w/e. Not much you anymore.).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD. Reads. Now.

Om
D3x
Quadz08

^ These people are not GNR-aligned.

Four Trouble
Untrod Tripod

^ These people just read independently town? (I mean I guess FT can be scum? meh)

Kthxbye

^ He's been reading somewhat townish?

Zoidberg

^ He's scum.

BBmolla

^ Null.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Then why is your vote still on me?

B/c it's going to be the same uselessness if I unvote or even just vote Zoid?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean in the general sense that he was reading town Day1ish.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Bah. I've really felt a lack of motivation in this game though.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

because you're scum?

because your GF got lynched D1?

Do you seriously think I would be lacking motivation because GNR-partner got lynched and literally 3 townies died during the night, one of which was a cop?

Regardless, if you notice I got demotivated around mid-day1 anyway.

Lack of motivation my ass. You were motivated enough to submit a night action...

Well if I was scum, of course I would submit a night kill anyway?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Read the times. I am genuinely unmotivated when I'm posting this infrequently:

Sorry, gonna catch up later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.

Sorry about being inactive thus far, but yay, games cleared up, so I'll be doing a full catch up tomorrow.

@GNR:

I'm a daycop with a guilty on you. What have you to say?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

Still catching up, but thus far BB and FT read like really town (FT > BB).

nevermind. I thought kthx wasn't already on the GNR wagon, but I see he got off to vote zoidberg and then got back on. =P

The wagon was never at L-1 though so even if that is true it wouldn't have been a hammer

(yes, I'm still alive).

I should prob put some ~effort~ soon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

because you're scum?

because your GF got lynched D1?

Do you seriously think I would be lacking motivation because GNR-partner got lynched and literally 3 townies died during the night, one of which was a cop?

Regardless, if you notice I got demotivated around mid-day1 anyway.

Lack of motivation my ass. You were motivated enough to submit a night action...

Well if I was scum, of course I would submit a night kill anyway?

are you scum? be honest

I am genuinely not. Trust me on this one.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAGE MODE

(this was done on notepad, so LOLSPELLINGS b/c it doesn't pick up spellings/grammar mistakes. Also, I'm literally falling asleep on my laptop, so I'll finish on the morrow or some time)

Om

- Generally has been reading genuine + townish. Things like 85 seem geuine (the fact that he lables himself as "VI"). I actually do think he dwells on it a bit too much so I can see it as scummy, but meh NOT THAT MUCH? I have no idea what to really think of 194's vote on GNR, but I don't someone not that much experienced would just jump on his Godfather like that, but it's like he's willing to hear BB out and actually back him which reads pretty genuine, whereas scum he could've easily just LOLIGNORED that (like what mostly everyone else was doing - at least to an extent no one was really focusing on GNR at that point). His 476 also reads townish (or, at least not GNR-mafia-aligned), as he's basically closing that window of opportunity of lynching AGar, esp since GNR was the second highest wagon and think a partner could've easily forseen that if it wasn't going to be AGar it was going to be GNR. And I don't think there is any motivation for a partner of GNR to just shut of that window of opp like that. Hmm... I can actually see 519 as possible partner-interaction, because GNR's post was actually pretty bad plus it was already pointed out that he wasn't voting his scumread, so it's can just be pretty much parraoting to just look good. Meh. His attempt at Levi push can also read bad(ish), but at the same time don't think scum whould just go out and attack someone like that who wasn't really going to get lynched plus I think he was genuinely annyoed with Levi. Scum would just be a lot more content to stay on GNR esp because they know he'll flip scum so they'll try to really minimaize LOLAWKWARD things towards the end of the day. GNR's side towards Om also doesn't really read PARTNERS. Mainly his read on him in 501 reads much more like he's bullshitting a scumread on someone he knows isn't aligned with him rather than calling a scumpartner scummy. Think that GNR scum would've tried to put a little more justification than "gut" for his suspicion Om. So overall, reading pretty townish, and a lot prob not GNR-aligned? I mean he has some bad stuff but just think it is newbieness rather than actually scum motivated and SCUMMY.

Zoidberg

- Things like 103 is horrible and it feels (esp now that we know Deas is town) that he is just trying to buddy up to town by calling them obvtown and trying to throw shit quadz's way. His "obvtown" is also pretty awkward as it is both never explained nor was Deas actually "obvtown" at that point. I have no idea wtf 107 is, but how is any of that actually game-relevant and alignment-relevant of FT? It's like he's trying to soft-push FT with LOL LOOK THERE + trying to use it as an excuse to call FT "not contributing". 122 is horrible. "To me Deas looks like he's purposely acting scummy to get through RVS" is not a towntell, like... at all, and I have literally no idea how it can make someone "OBVtown", + voting someone who voted someone that apparently was OBVtowned but that. His vote on GNR in 211 is reading like he genuinely thought that BB was a daycop and just voted GNR for that. His story in that post actually doesn't even make sense though. In what world do "What I find unlikely is that a town daycop would claim so early in the game" and "But I agree 100% that GNR is the lynch today. Playing it any other way would be stupid, because if BB is town then we have just lynched a cop (which would be stupid). Infinitely better to lynch GNR now, and then if he flips town we have an easy wagon tomorrow" match up. The fact that he's non-committal in deciding whether BB is actually a cop or not is pretty scummy, combined with soft-pushing the idea that BB isn't a daycop while at the same time genuinely (?) thinking that BB might actually be a daycop so it would be better to bus GNR now. His jump from GNR to Agar in 326 can very likely be scum-partnerish, since he took GNR off L-2 and instead L-1ed Agar. Wow his "anger" in 380/381/385 is reading lolcontrived, since I really can't see someone getting that worked up in that situation? Ugh. 509 actually reads townish + I don't think it's actually is likely to come from GNR-partnered? I mean, why switch momentum from the Agar wagon like that? Ehh, granted, The Agar wagon was dying anyway. + I can see it as he saw that the momentium was swinging towards GNR anyway and switched in case GNR did get lynched. Bah. Torn on this. Can also be testing waters in 513, pretty much seeing if there is enough interest for a Agar wagon while at the same time not really wanting to switch because it can possibly look pretty bad for him to have switched onto Agar and then GNR actually gets lynched and flips scum. <____________< Wtf. 517 actually reads REALLY genuine. FOr fuck's sake. Again, back to really being torn. Like, I mean it doesn't DIRECTLY relate to GNR but it doesn't come off as someone partnered with GNR + reads genuinely like he was trying to generate discussion (with GNR being the focal point)? Some of his other stuff past this also read slightly genuine, so I really don't know what to think anymore. From GNR's PoV, however, I can pretty much see it as them partnered, because the read he gave Zoid can be like he's putting his partner in the "leaning town" pile, but also not really calling "TOWN", and also citing it like he Zoid can also be scum.

d3x

- 108 reads slightly in favor of d3x being Not-GNR-aligned. I mean yea I can still see it coming from a partner, but the jump feels... not-partner-like? Granted it kinda reads horrible by itself anyway. Okay I can actually see him as scum camping his vote on GNR, via 177. He also leaves his option of joining Agar open. Woah. He does the same thing in 339. Basically attacking GNR but at the same time soft-pushing Agar. Though 341 doesn't read horribly bad tbh, mainly b/c I might actually expect scum partnered with GNR to come back with something like "Meh, yea, I guess I can go for Agar" rather than "There's still hope for this [GNR] Wagon!" 579 also doesn't look scummy, in fact I don't think a partner would say something like that in that situation, so it's reading more genuine plus is moving me away from my earlier thought that they can be partnered together. Umm, nothing really much to comment on, but do think that he's actually been scumhunting + genuinely reading town in some places, so I'm more inclined to place him in "leaning town" for now. Also don't think GNR would've put him as "town" and gave the explanation he gave (but then again GNR's post WAS really horrible and most of his reads are like based on nothing ).

Ehh, this was not as productive as I thought it would've been. I still don't feel strongly about any of those 3 one way or another, but w/e.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So, I was genuinely going to replace out, but

I don't have a scum read on him either, but I do have a worthless read.

turns out calling me "worthless" sparks my interest

(+ I'll feel bad about abandoning this since I want to see these batch of games I'm in now finished rather than replace out - since I'll be taking a break from mafia after these).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Bulletproof townie. Probably explains lack of kills last night.

This ^ can still be scum. In fact I can see something like that to protect against crosskills. But meh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If anything, bulletproof scum would make the game MORE scumsided.

Depends on if you're limited or not *shrug*

Also I'm thinking there's a shit ton of town PRs left so I really don't see why we're claiming, but w/e.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Quadz

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I targeted UT both nights, but was blocked N1.

Since when are inventors told when they're blocked or not?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Unvote

There might be ~shenanigans~, but you get my meaning.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also the whole point of an inventor is literally 2 things: 1. to not know whether he's sending to scum or town, and 2. to not know if his action resolved successfully or not.

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Eh, mmk.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You're all boring PRs. VTs is where it's at, get with the program.

(I'm "The Killing Type" by Amanda Palmer & The Grand Theft Orchestra, VT)

Umm, who's left? O-replacing-out-m and UT?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

...So scum didn't kill anybody yesterday?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hi Vifam alt.

Mind claiming?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mmk so I'd be down with a kthx or a zoid lynch.

Zoid > Kthx tbh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Uhh, no? I have no idea why people are assuming there's not VTs or something. I mean, there have ONLY been 2 VT flips

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tell me I have something here. I think the right move is to lynch either me/SAD and UT shoot the other.

Even if the person we lynch were to flip scum?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(who did kthx claim to have jailed yesterday?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nvm got it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Rock on sista.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Still on board with lynching SAD

and shooting myself

How does this actually come from town

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

KJ's last post screams town.

"No" to this ^

Not "No" to the "Any thoughts?".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well... it doesn't really?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

See SAD, this is why you're viewed as scum.

You have been completely unhelpful.

I don't see why the latter causes former...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anywhoo, on this side of the barrier.

Think kthx is not aligned with BB. UT is not aligned with UT. d3x is slightly no BB-aligned. Same with Quadz (actually a little more confident). Which leaves Zoid and Om. Zoid > Om tbh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

KJ. Same thing

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

KJ is slightly not GNR-aligned. Same with Zoid. Same with d3x. Same with UT. kthx kinda actually looks somewhat bad(ish) with GNR. So Quadz/kthx. Both kinda look bad(ish). But if for some people morbidly obsessed with not lynching quadz, I guess kthx > quadz?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Zoid somewhat a little higher in being BB's partner (then KJ).

Kthx/Quadz for GNR's partner.

Gg.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(btw do know that if scum only have 2 on their team they'd be a lot more reluctant to bus, etc, which shows in quadz's/kthx's interactions with GNR)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Mmk cool beans?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(btw do know that if scum only have 2 on their team they'd be a lot more reluctant to bus, etc, which shows in quadz's/kthx's interactions with GNR)

So...I hammered my scumbuddy?

Well sure?

Again you really make these awkward associations that I can't tell if you're doing it on purpose or actually just... bad?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And tbh the only think that made me pause on your interaction with GNR is your 399, so meeehh.

(which is why if it was up to me alone I would want quadz lynched more)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can't tell if you're scum or just awful at reads.

You sure caught GNR-scum with these utterly useless and shitty posts about him though sista

AGar, DV, or GNR. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Gonna stick with DV for now but I GOT MY EYES ON YOU OTHER TWO

Also, GNR's response-to-prod was not the most content-filled post this game has to offer, but the lurking itself is null in this case, since he didn't bullshit around, and his reasoning for posting elsewhere checks out 100%.

From what I know/remember, GNR is a chronic lurker, regardless of alignment or wagon size. I find it a nulltell from him, unless someone else has better / more reliable meta on him.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

see, the problem is I can't take you seriously. Look through your ISO and tell me where I should say to myself "man, that guy is town and good at it"....

This is the third time you have made absurd and preposterous associations and correlations.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I thought AGar was scummier than GNR all through D1. I was wrong. It happens. *shrug*

Mmk so while my awfulness of reads is yet to be determined yours has already been established as a known fact? Good to know.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And you sure did such a good job at avoiding GNR... like, almost entirely! Except when you mentioned all you said is he was "null". Oh right. Except when you listed him with 2 others as "scummy" and then like literally never brought it up again.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

see, the problem is I can't take you seriously. Look through your ISO and tell me where I should say to myself "man, that guy is town and good at it"....

This is the third time you have made absurd and preposterous associations and correlations.

so...you're not going to show me where you think you look town?

I'm really not interested in analyzing myself,

I

already know I'm town so whether my play has been shitty or not does not change my alignment. And frankly, it's up to YOU to decide if I'm town or not, and if you have any questions for me about reads, etc, I would gladly answer them. But I'm not going to sit here and analyze my play

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(I'm at L-1, right?)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anywhoo, the only thing that's stopping me a little about Quadz-GNR-scumteam is the fact that kthx claimed to have jailed quadz N1, and there was still 3 deaths. I mean, I guess it can be strongman or something?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

oh right the weird way is being used.

(or, "weird" to me since I've always been used to jk=rb+doc)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

exactly.

there's not a whole lot in it for him to spin a bunch of bullshit if he's the last member of his team. but SAD is a good enough player to know that the only way to save himself is to actually look like he's scumhunting.

It seems you and kthx are in a disagreement over if I am actually doing "pro-town" stuff or not!

Discuss.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

WOOOOOO ZOID

Vote: Zoid

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

not sure who d3x should watch though. although we def should direct him.

You or quadz? To WIFOM the scum to hopefully not kill any of you guys?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

UT me and you both know you won't shoot me tonight.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

although tbqh kj's eagerness to eat rope or bullets is really leading me to believe he's some kind of pgo if he's scum

WELL, he would be the last scum on his team, so why would he want to get shot even if he's pgo?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

ON FIRE.

(as in, that was a hammer)

pedit: SHADDUP

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

UT I trust you trust I'm town?

(and I know that if I do get vigged it's prob cuz you were directed cuz I know you know I'm town - actually prob the only one here that I get that vibe from *shrug*)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Btw, if anyone is actually interested in how I play as scum, this (which just ended) is how I actually play as scum, NOT the lurking type

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

and yet you wait until now to try to persuade me to let you live

oh noes I know you're ALREADY persuaded and that if I actually DO get vigged it won't really be coming from deep down inside you, but rather a collective effort of others and that you decided that it was best to go with the plan.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

UT MVP

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Even though he vigged me <___< But it was prob for the best

Gg everybody.