Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

[DeasVail]

/confirm

[DeasVail]

EVERYONE VOTE FOR ME!!!!

No, I'm not a third party role that needs votes for some sort of win condition.

I'm not scum trying to look town.

I'm town who doesn't mind being voted for because he's not scum!!!

Oh, and I'm not a jester either, that would be silly.

[DeasVail]

Your reverse psychology won't work on me sir.

Why aren't you voting for me then?

[DeasVail]

How did you figure that out? D: I thought I'd hidden my intentions perfectly!

Oh well, I'll just hope everyone else is fooled.

[DeasVail]

Ugh, you're all boring.

Vote: SAD

The wagon ahoy post was a little scummy, because why the need to make a big deal out of wagoning except to make sure everyone knows just how town he is?

Also, 27 just seems so unnecessary considering the vote was RVS (or seemed so anyway) and it it feels more like scum trying to respond to a vote on them in a town way than anything else.

[DeasVail]

Bob get on this you know Deas' post was forced as hell.

Which post?

Because only one of them was...

Oh, and I'm supposed to be happy that people are voting for me, aren't I?

YAYYYYYYY!!!

Ok, that's enough.

Also, cyber, quadz is not too bad so far, but I quite like buddying, so maybe I'm biased?

And no SAD, you don't get townpoints for doing it again, sorry.

[DeasVail]

I'm starting to get confused, and I hate being confused during RVS

Well I can't decide whether I still want people to vote for me or not, so you're not alone!

[DeasVail]

God dammit reck if DeasVail has a post restriction I will be breaking windows in your house.

I don't have a post restriction. It's not Recks fault.

[DeasVail]

FoS: Zoidberg

[DeasVail]

Oh by the way, I retract my statement saying that you guys were boring.

Cyber, what is your read on me?

[DeasVail]

@DV;Why would you be happy with votes on you?

I wanted to use reactions to it (or how people were playing around it) to generate reads. I will say now that I'm not that happy with votes on me anymore, although if I don't get lynched, I guess I don't really mind.

Also, can people look at Zoidberg's posts? He's been posting in other games since them, so it's not an activity problem, but he is avoiding talking about anything and instead has come in to post questions that don't really seem very useful? Especially the leviathan one because it was obviously just missing punctuation and would've been fine with it, so the question was pretty irrelevant.

I'm not sure if I prefer him or SAD right now.

GNR I could see as scum, but I haven't found him particularly scummy so far.

PEdit: Eh, I find it useful. I'm not going to stop doing it just because you find it scummy, as it's not anti-town.

If you're going to call me out on not being good at town, why would you choose that and not my post telling everyone to vote for me?

[DeasVail]

Ok, the thing is I don't really understand how you'd think that there was no use to asking the question I did to cyber, but I'd like to get it answered before talking too much about it.

[DeasVail]

SAD, why is me being obvtown not a possibility?

[DeasVail]

Also, leviathan I maybe have a scumread on you for 124.

[DeasVail]

SAD, why is me being obvtown not a possibility?

b/c no one is deserving of obvtown yet.

unless he's willing to show me the 'obvtown', and it better not be retarded reasoning

Why did you dismiss it without asking for reasoning then?

Do you feel that your ability to read me is greater than zoidberg's?

[DeasVail]

Ok, the maybe has turned to a 'not really'. What prompted your decision to include the post number of each player in your analysis?

[DeasVail]

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

Still not sure of this, but the best place for my vote right now I think.

[DeasVail]

Four, I was already voting for SAD, but just revoted so that it would go on the vote count.

Either that or the mafia are super scared of me and made me voteless somehow... yeah I didn't think so either.

[DeasVail]

If you aren't sure of it, why place the vote?

He's the most suspicious to me so far.

[DeasVail]

I don't really know what to say...

I'll come back later.

[DeasVail]

Or does he...?

[DeasVail]

*shrug*

[DeasVail]

AGar, just watch the entertainment unfold.

That's what I'm doing anyway.

[DeasVail]

Would it be scummy of me to vote for you now?

[DeasVail]

Yes.

[DeasVail]

What were you trying to achieve by voting for GNR?

[DeasVail]

I was asking kthx, and I'm not sure if I believe that, but ok.

Unvote: SAD

Vote: BBMolla

I don't really know about AGar right now.

Also Molla, have you ever seen something like a fake daycop/dayvig be useful?

[DeasVail]

I also want to know why people said that Molla was gambiting so soon after he actually did it. Sure, I dislike fake dayvigs/daycops just as much as anyone else, but just letting Molla do what he wanted to do (assuming he's town) couldn't have seemed like such a bad idea? (unless you wanted townpoints I suppose.)

[DeasVail]

I'm not sure if I believe that, but ok.

This is directed at Kthx.

[DeasVail]

Is that vote there because you think BB is scum for trying to get reaction by fake-claiming or just for being stupid town?

It's because I think he could be scum, the claim isn't too significant, but maybe slightly scummy as I feel there's more reason for scum to do it than town.

[DeasVail]

Kthx is probably not scum if GNR is town, but is quite possibly scum with him.

[DeasVail]

I lol'ed in my chair! Dog looked at me funny...

What's so funny?

[DeasVail]

I lol'ed in my chair! Dog looked at me funny...

What's so funny?

This is a serious question by the way.

[DeasVail]

Is that vote there because you think BB is scum for trying to get reaction by fake-claiming or just for being stupid town?

It's because I think he could be scum, the claim isn't too significant, but maybe slightly scummy as I feel there's more reason for scum to do it than town.

And what reasons that would be? Pleas explain :/

Actually, this vote of yours is more scummy then his fake claim.

Scum are always trying to look town, and generally (although silly imo) fake daycops/dayvigs are considered somewhat townish.

[DeasVail]

I think it's reasonably likely, yes, but I don't think the gambit itself is all that scummy.

[DeasVail]

Well no, GNR-scum, Kthx-town is possible.

[DeasVail]

GNR, when you posted 284, did you feel up to date with the game?

[DeasVail]

Unvote

I am kind of feeling AGar.

[DeasVail]

Also, I'm not sure but I almost feel as if levi's more resistant to the idea of changing his posts than he would naturally be.

[DeasVail]

I mean your posts, as in the style of them.

If someone tells you that they don't like reading your posts as they are, and suggests an improvement, then it seems like it would be a pretty easy change to make.

[DeasVail]

I'm not finding anyone other than AGar particularly scummy right now (and even that's not really able to be explained).

Other than that, it's mostly null reads and weak town reads.

[DeasVail]

If you gonna start a game out bold, you gotta live up to those expectations.

Uh, why?

[DeasVail]

Zoid, are you scum with kthx?

[DeasVail]

ok

Vote: AGar

[DeasVail]

But really, I'm beginning to think that zoid is either mentally compromised right now or is trying to distance. I'm really sorry if I'm wrong though.

[DeasVail]

Molla, what is your interpretation of zoid's recent play?

[DeasVail]

Why I'm on AGar is that basically his reasoning for not claiming doesn't make any sense, especially considering that he's asking to be lynched and not really doing much to stop his lynch or get someone else lynched.

[DeasVail]

Why does conviction in one's own case matter to you?

[DeasVail]

Because why should I follow someone's suspicion when they don't even believe in it themselves?

If it's the suspicion on you that we're talking about, how is this relevant?

GNR is among my non-town reads, but I've seen him be inactive and suspicious as town, and I don't really see anything that makes him particularly likely scum to me yet.

[DeasVail]

Not claiming is not always scummy, but AGar doing it in this case as well as seemingly encouraging his lynch contradicts the idea behind not claiming and thus feels like scum trying to do something unorthodox in the hope of looking town.

I think Zoidberg is a decent vote, but I don't think 211 comes from scum unless he is scum with GNR (and if we're adopting this assumption then you're better off lynching GNR instead)

[DeasVail]

If Zoidberg is scum with GNR-town, then he knows that Molla's result on GNR is inaccurate. So, I don't think he would so enthusiastically push GNR's lynch, while also stating that BBmolla is to be lynched if GNR flips town, out of fear that he would be perceived as incredibly scummy once they both do flip town.

(And at that point Molla had specified the times at which he 'exchanged PMs' with the mod, so it is likely enough that town would think the result true)

[DeasVail]

And if scum with molla, then it's also something he'd be unlikely to say I think.

[DeasVail]

I don't get this, either. Why would Zoid's post make him scummy if both BB and GNR are town?

It wouldn't necessarily, but from the scum PoV they'd be aware of them both being town and feel scummy doing it, and would think they'd be accused of lining up lynches or whatever.

[DeasVail]

I'm not claiming, for the record.

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Time to nut up or shut up.

Also, the case on me is tantamount to "I'm going to make obtuse statements that cannot be denied or argued thus you are scum, and if you try to say otherwise I'm going to plug my ears and shout 'LALALALAALALALA' " hence me ignoring it all this time.

So do y'all selves a favor after someone pulls the trigger and actually take a look at how this wagon slow-rolled its way to a lynch.

[DeasVail]

FT, I'll consider kthx.

[DeasVail]

I think it's more likely people not really having anything to say than something to do with AGar's alignment.

[DeasVail]

Why do you think scum would think it best to hammer him?

[DeasVail]

As town.

It's not like it matters to them whether he's lynched now or later and a hammer on town generally attracts at least some negative attention.

[DeasVail]

I honestly could see the current situation with either AGar being town or scum, so I'm not too keen on making any assumptions.

[DeasVail]

Eh, maybe you're right, but I still think AGar could easily be scum and I believe it's better in this case to look at his own play in order to determine his alignment rather than speculate as to what scum may or may not do.

[DeasVail]

And I mean not-Agar scum at the end.

[DeasVail]

Wondered when you were going to use that one.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: GNRtoo opportunistic on calling out AGar scum imo.

Quadz: I thought you were doing it on purpose seeing as how you got some heat and then v/la for a period of time that went to deadline. I don't apologize for thinking it either.

Why can't he be town agreeing that AGar is scum?

I don't really have a townread on him, but I don't really find his latest post particularly scummy.

[DeasVail]

And Zoidberg's reasoning isn't really great either.

[DeasVail]

I'm really sorry to triple post (I feel I've just been getting worse and worse at it lately), but I also wanted to say that I have a pretty decent townread Om.

[DeasVail]

Game is stalled; tunneling on single player won't get us anywhere.

How is this true if he's scum?

[DeasVail]

I also don't understand why you respond to criticism of your reasoning for thinking GNR is scum with a reason for unvoting AGar.

[DeasVail]

If AGar is scum, then tunelling on him is a good thing. Saying that tunnelling on him is a bad thing is assuming that he's not scum in my opinion. Obviously people are more motivated to get a lynch in before deadline approaches, and I think that without people using bad reasons to change their vote from AGar, it would be quite likely that his lynch would occur before deadline. You can still discuss, but moving your vote from AGar at this time is telling me that you don't want him lynched and I think that the reason you've provided for moving off AGar is not one which would realistically dampen your desire to lynch AGar.

What I was originally commenting on was your reason for GNR being scum in the first place, which I feel is not a good reason to suspect someone. Your reaction to this I find really strange, because you're completely ignoring my criticism and instead saying other stuff.

I also do not think you have good reason to be irritated with me. I have stated why I think AGar is scum and have voted for him. This is all the pushing I feel necessary with him being a major wagon. Closer to deadline, I would be more insistent that he is lynched. Now that GNR is becoming a significant wagon, I am questioning the reasoning of those joining it. If by pushing the wagon, you mean posting in the following manner:

"AGAR IS SCUM. WHAT ARE YOU IDIOTS DOING NOT LYNCHING HIM. AGAR IS SCUM."

although it may be effective for some players, I do not think anyone would take me seriously.

Overall, I think your reaction to this is over-the-top and your apparent confusion over my posts not very believable.

[DeasVail]

only through the first eightish pages, but I'd be pretty happy lynching GNR

What do you think of AGar?

[DeasVail]

Or Zoidberg even. He's a kind of scumread for me, but doesn't quite make complete sense with GNR-scum or GNR-town to me.

[DeasVail]

Yeah, it's pretty hard to argue against a GNR lynch...

I'll think about it.

[DeasVail]

I've decided I'm happy with lynching GNR or AGar today and I'll move my vote at deadline if necessary.

[DeasVail]

Well done town!

[DeasVail]

Oh and thanks for modding Reck!