Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

FourTrouble · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:02 pm

@Kthxbye

A: I never said that was your case.
B: How does my post seem "informed"? What knowledge am I supposedly betraying that I shouldn't have?

FourTrouble · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:04 pm

@DV

So you are saying if GNR is town, then Zoid is town too? I don't understand the logic there, explain please.

DeasVail · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:07 pm

If Zoidberg is scum with GNR-town, then he knows that Molla's result on GNR is inaccurate. So, I don't think he would so enthusiastically push GNR's lynch, while also stating that BBmolla is to be lynched if GNR flips town, out of fear that he would be perceived as incredibly scummy once they both do flip town.

(And at that point Molla had specified the times at which he 'exchanged PMs' with the mod, so it is likely enough that town would think the result true)

DeasVail · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:09 pm

And if scum with molla, then it's also something he'd be unlikely to say I think.

FourTrouble · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:24 pm

In post 427, DeasVail wrote:So, I don't think he would so enthusiastically push GNR's lynch, while also stating that BBmolla is to be lynched if GNR flips town, out of fear that he would be perceived as incredibly scummy once they both do flip town.

I don't get this, either. Why would Zoid's post make him scummy if both BB and GNR are town?

Kthxbye · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:34 pm

FT: This...

"The fact Agar is sticking to his principles is giving me a good town-read."

Fuck his principles. Not claiming doesn't do ANYTHING to help town. ESPECIALLY as a PR as I thought his one post hinted at. He's scummy for lying multiple times. Add in the sorta 'soft claim' with 'I'm not claiming' mentality....not a town mindset.

FourTrouble · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:44 pm

In post 430, Kthxbye wrote:FT: This...

"The fact Agar is sticking to his principles is giving me a good town-read."

Fuck his principles. Not claiming doesn't do ANYTHING to help town. ESPECIALLY as a PR as I thought his one post hinted at. He's scummy for lying multiple times. Add in the sorta 'soft claim' with 'I'm not claiming' mentality....not a town mindset.

1. I disagree. I've refused to claim as town before and can imagine any number of reasons for doing so. What I don't see is the scum-motivation for refusing to claim, besides which I don't see much of a case against Agar to begin with. He stuck to principles, and sticking to principles even badly-reasoned ones is towny.

2. You didn't answer my question. What does our disagreement over a theoretical matter (whether sticking to principles is towny, and whether refusing to claim is scummy) have to do with being informed? How does that betray knowledge I shouldn't have?

Kthxbye · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:12 pm

you're whole post reads 1 of 2 ways and I can see it both ways. Either you know he's gonna flip town (principle sticking isn't a town tell to anyone) or you are trying to save him.

DeasVail · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:10 pm

In post 429, FourTrouble wrote:I don't get this, either. Why would Zoid's post make him scummy if both BB and GNR are town?

It wouldn't necessarily, but from the scum PoV they'd be aware of them both being town and feel scummy doing it, and would think they'd be accused of lining up lynches or whatever.

FourTrouble · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:21 pm

Kthxbye is our scum, guys. I don't see any of the excitement townies usually feel when they think they've caught scum. He's not even voting for me when he thinks I'm scum 100% regardless of how Agar flips. His reasoning sucks, starts with a conclusion and justifies it later. His unvoting and revoting is pretty shady, too.

Vote Kthxbye

Kthxbye · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:35 pm

Just making my scum read on you even better FT. OMGUS much? I call you scum, and you vote me. Classic scum.

AGar · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:41 pm

In post 424, DeasVail wrote:Not claiming is not always scummy, but AGar doing it in this case as well as seemingly encouraging his lynch contradicts the idea behind not claiming and thus feels like scum trying to do something unorthodox in the hope of looking town.

Where am I encouraging my lynch?

AGar · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:43 pm

In post 430, Kthxbye wrote:He's scummy for lying multiple times.

Can you highlight, with exact quotes, where I have lied, please? And I mean 100% hands down lied, not you interpret the way things played out as me lying.

FourTrouble · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:52 pm

In post 435, Kthxbye wrote:Just making my scum read on you even better FT. OMGUS much? I call you scum, and you vote me. Classic scum.

My vote wasn't OMGUS, besides OMGUS ain't a scum-tell.

Zoidberg · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:14 pm

In post 431, FourTrouble wrote:He stuck to principles, and sticking to principles even badly-reasoned ones is towny.

In what universe is this true? I believe in the Lynch All Liars principle. Does that mean if I do it every game you would see me as town in every game?

Kthxbye · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:19 pm

"I also have read. I just didn't meticulously count votes." This is the quote I'm referring to. If you had read, I just don't see a way you miss the obvious wagons that were legit.

That being said, you made me re-read your ISO. Spoiler, I'm having second thoughts.

DeasVail · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:29 pm

In post 329, AGar wrote:I'm not claiming, for the record.

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Time to nut up or shut up.

Also, the case on me is tantamount to "I'm going to make obtuse statements that cannot be denied or argued thus you are scum, and if you try to say otherwise I'm going to plug my ears and shout 'LALALALAALALALA' " hence me ignoring it all this time.

So do y'all selves a favor after someone pulls the trigger and actually take a look at how this wagon slow-rolled its way to a lynch.

DeasVail · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:30 pm

FT, I'll consider kthx.

Om · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:05 am

-prod dodge-

Sorry.

quadz08 · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:40 am

Just went over AGar's ISO and I'm still comfortable with this vote. He hasn't done anything useful all day, and his "I've totally read you guys" comment is scummy.

Ser Arthur Dayne · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:15 am

In post 184, BBmolla wrote:
@GNR:
I'm a daycop with a guilty on you. What have you to say?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

Still catching up, but thus far BB and FT read like really town (FT > BB).

AGar · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:50 am

In post 444, quadz08 wrote:Just went over AGar's ISO and I'm still comfortable with this vote. He hasn't done anything useful all day, and his "I've totally read you guys" comment is scummy.

Saying I read is scummy? Really dude?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: quadz

You piggy backed Kthx's awful case. When that's been pretty much torn apart, and even he is having second thoughts, you choose to reinforce your stance by reading an ISO and coming up with garbage reasoning.

Now it's your turn to apologize for your role, bro.

quadz08 · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:57 am

Dear

God

AGar.

Saying you read

while clearly exhibiting that you hadn't

is, in fact, scummy.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:36 am

Votecount 1.10

Om (0):
Zoidberg (0):
D3x (0):
Guy_Named_Riggs (3): Cyberbob, d3x, Om
Quadz08 (1): AGar
DeasVail (1): Ser Arthur Dayne
leviathan93 (1): Guy_Named_Riggs
Cyberbob (0):
Ser Arthur Dayne (0):
Kthxbye (1): FourTrouble
BBmolla (0):
Four Trouble (0):
AGar (6): quadz08, BBmolla, leviathan93, Zoidberg, Kthxbye, DeasVail

Not voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is on 01/27/2013 at 1:00PM EST.

AGar · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:21 pm

In post 447, quadz08 wrote:Dear

God

AGar.

Saying you read
while clearly exhibiting that you hadn't
is, in fact, scummy.

I actually had.

Hence how I knew there were at some point votes casted on the two wagons-which-weren't-really-wagons I pointed to. Again, there was not a votecount present in 52 when I made 56. d3x had ballooned from RVS, and when I had read (which I admitted wasn't a meticulous deal), I didn't go back and re-read who had voted him from RVS and then go "Oh, ok, his unvote was from d3x, ahhh."

So again... what is your case?