Mini 1409: Storm of Songs (GAME OVER)

Kthxbye · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:13 am

/confirm

Kthxbye · Post Post #21 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:32 am

VOTE: d3x
Kill it with fire...always

Kthxbye · Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:13 am

Your reverse psychology won't work on me sir.

Kthxbye · Post Post #29 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:16 pm

Cuz I know your tricks.

I also seem to not understand what reverse psychology means. Allow me to edit: Your reverse-reverse psychology won't work on me. You say you want us to vote you, but I know you don't want us to vote you, but you know that I know you don't want us to vote you so you actually do want us to vote you.

I've seen the Princess Bride mister and I'm smarter than a Sicilian with death on the line!

Kthxbye · Post Post #32 (isolation #4) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:05 pm

The Jedi Mind Trick only works on the weak minded...

Kthxbye · Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:31 pm

In post 36, d3x wrote:L-3 in 2 pages? I'm honored. I think Kthx is tempting fate here.

VOTE: 4T

Temping fate how exactly?

Kthxbye · Post Post #40 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:32 pm

In post 33, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: d3x

HOPPING ON A SCUM WAGON

CHUGGA CHUGGA CHOO CHOO

Do you mean that scum are on the d3x wagon or that the wagon is on a scum?

Kthxbye · Post Post #42 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:50 pm

Everything I say is legit and for a purpose....duh

Kthxbye · Post Post #46 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:26 pm

Do not pass go, do not collect $200?

Kthxbye · Post Post #65 (isolation #9) » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:19 pm

In post 56, AGar wrote:I don't like either wagon being presented.

Which two wagons would be referring to? DV is obviously one, but what's the other?

Kthxbye · Post Post #69 (isolation #10) » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:18 pm

In post 67, AGar wrote:I thought one of {d3x, Ser Arthur Dayne} was a legitimate wagon.

VOTE: DeasVail

That's who I'd vote for.

Then you sir have not read this game at all. You sir also put a wagon you "don't like" at L-1. You sir are scummy as hell.
VOTE: AGar

Kthxbye · Post Post #77 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:10 pm

There was a vote count.....

Kthxbye · Post Post #127 (isolation #12) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:18 am

^this

Kthxbye · Post Post #131 (isolation #13) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:02 am

I honestly can't figure out why nobody but me is voting AGar...
Firstly,

In post 56, AGar wrote:I don't like either wagon being presented.

Now, we all know that at this time DV had the majority of votes, d3x and BB were voting me (not RVS votes), and d3x had 2 votes (both RVS votes). So the "legit wagons" at this point with very little reading to figure out was for myself and DV. After I ask which wagons he's referring to not liking, we get:

In post 67, AGar wrote:I thought one of {d3x, Ser Arthur Dayne} was a legitimate wagon.

VOTE: DeasVail

That's who I'd vote for.

Complete and utter bullshit here. He didn't read any part of the game up to this point. There is no other way to explain how he "thought one of {d3x, Ser Arthur Dayne}" were legitimate wagons. Jumps onto DV with zero explanation as to why. After I call him out on it we get:

In post 76, AGar wrote:

I am aware of what I did, but thanks for the play-by-play. I also have read. I just didn't meticulously count votes.

Riggs, you wanna try taking a stance on what I did instead of making an excuse for either side of the coin?

Lie, Lie, True (in the fact you can't count votes if you don't read the game). Not sure what to make of the question to Riggs. Possibly trying to deflect attention.

If anyone deserves an L-1 wagon right now, it's AGar. Time to stop messing around and vote him people

Kthxbye · Post Post #135 (isolation #14) » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:03 am

Oh, GNR is in my scummy pile, don't worry.

Kthxbye · Post Post #164 (isolation #15) » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:20 am

In post 162, leviathan93 wrote:because like I said its RVS to me. There is no solid piece of evidence and its all just speculation and scum trying to find a way to convince town to lynch town or town being stupid enough to get worked up and lynch a townie themselves.

Ooooor, town lynches scum. If you honestly think there are no solid clues D1 to track down and lynch scum, then you probably should try harder. All of D1 is RVS my ass....

Please tell us how you view AGar and GNR. Are both of them townies who just made simple mistakes and scum are trying to get them lynched? Who are the scum trying to get town to lynch town in this scenario? Is it possible that what they posted could be viewed as coming from a scum mindset? (<---yeah, actually answer these)

Also Leviathan, your post is suspect. First off, it's very 'hey guys, I'm active, but we're gonna mislynch anyway so come D2 I shouldn't be held responsible for my vote'. Secondly, If D1 is simply RVS, why the hell post a wall containing your reads on everyone? And you didn't just do it this game, you do it in most ALL your games early D1. WHATS THE POINT IF YOU THINK D1 IS RVS AND DOESN'T MATTER? (<---these too)

Something isn't adding up here.....

Kthxbye · Post Post #171 (isolation #16) » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:41 pm

Nice omgus vote.

Kthxbye · Post Post #173 (isolation #17) » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:56 pm

WoW...OMGUS from AGar and AtE with a side of OMGUS from leviathan....I honestly don't know which is scummier...

I think I'll stick with a lynch all liars policy and

Confirm Vote: AGar

No way he read the game and came to the conclusions he claims. Add in the OMGUS and we has us some scum.

Kthxbye · Post Post #176 (isolation #18) » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:43 pm

Also, did someone claim vig at some point and I missed it? 2 people have brought it up now (quadz and AGar).

Kthxbye · Post Post #181 (isolation #19) » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:59 pm

@d3x: I thought I had answered it. I may not have explained it, but I answered.

Kthxbye · Post Post #196 (isolation #20) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:23 am

Zoid and quad: why would you not believe BB' s claim this early in the game? It's easily probable and results in a scum lynch day 2 if he's scum using a fake claim. I don't see how GNR isn't our lynch for D1...
UNVOTE:
VOTE: GNR

Kthxbye · Post Post #197 (isolation #21) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:25 am

*It's easily proven/disproven...

Kthxbye · Post Post #198 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:27 am

I do however still think AGar is scum and am suspicious of both Zoid and quadz for dismissing BB's claim so easily.

Kthxbye · Post Post #199 (isolation #23) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 am

Also still suspicious of levi as well..

Kthxbye · Post Post #201 (isolation #24) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:09 am

In post 200, quadz08 wrote:Personal knowledge of BB from meeting him in real life.

If its a fake claim, is BB scum or dumb town then?

Kthxbye · Post Post #203 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:30 am

BB: When did you msg the mod for your investigation and when did you get the response? Why claim when GNR had enough suspicion surrounding him to possibly get a lynch without claiming?

Kthxbye · Post Post #206 (isolation #26) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:55 am

I totally don't get a scum vibe from quadz tbh.

Kthxbye · Post Post #214 (isolation #27) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:47 pm

AGar: so being suspicious of multiple people when they post scummy shit is now a scum tell? What world do you live in? I think you're just butt hurt I caught you lying so easy. Only reason you don't get rope today is due to BB's claim.

Kthxbye · Post Post #223 (isolation #28) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:03 pm

In post 217, FourTrouble wrote:kthxbye, why you so quick to believe BB's claim?

Cuz if he's lying hes's dead?

Kthxbye · Post Post #224 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:07 pm

In post 222, DeasVail wrote:Or does he...?

I wouldn't....unless I thought BB was full of it or I was town and BB was lying. Either way he's dead today. Town him would post. Scum him thinking BB is faking it would post.

I guess there is the possibility both are scum and trying to out a PR and/or give BB massive town cred. That'd be super risky though.

If BB is legit, we won't hear from him.

Kthxbye · Post Post #227 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:20 pm

/golfclap

Wonderful repeating of what everyone else has already said so as to look like you're contributing....
You even forgot to vote GNR

Kthxbye · Post Post #233 (isolation #31) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:56 pm

So AGar, you'd have us what? Lynch BB and not GNR then?

Kthxbye · Post Post #241 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:28 pm

In post 237, BBmolla wrote:If GNR doesn't post within the next day I'm upping my guilty to a double guilty.

I mean jesus I'd have stop this reaction test ages ago if he'd fucking post

zzzzz

Kthxbye · Post Post #242 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:32 pm

Not sure what you were trying to accomplish there. Why not wait till GNR posted? Why reveal it was a gambit so quickly? Scum getting cold feet with the fake-claim? Scum trying to get a Cop to reveal himself? Not sure what to think of you now....

Kthxbye · Post Post #243 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:33 pm

At least I do know AGar is an OMGUSy scum face
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AGar

Kthxbye · Post Post #245 (isolation #35) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:40 pm

Call me gullible, but I actually believed him...

Kthxbye · Post Post #266 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:59 pm

Screw that. Lynch him first then back to AGar. Only one reason he don't wanna post here: He wants heat on himself to cool off. Who knows, AGar might be town and he's waiting for the wagon to get strong.

Kthxbye · Post Post #267 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:01 pm

That or maybe both are scum but he has a PR and AGar doesn't so AGar is purposely taking heat off him. <----most likely imo

Kthxbye · Post Post #273 (isolation #38) » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:40 pm

In post 268, DeasVail wrote:Kthx is probably not scum if GNR is town, but is quite possibly scum with him.

I lol'ed in my chair! Dog looked at me funny...

Kthxbye · Post Post #276 (isolation #39) » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:37 pm

You silly.

Kthxbye · Post Post #286 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:39 am

So...BB is scum drawing lots of attention to himself with a gambit in order to look town then?

Kthxbye · Post Post #297 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:58 pm

Re AGar post: 'bus bus bus your mate, up and down the stream....'

Kthxbye · Post Post #299 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:00 pm

D3x: that wasn't a speed wagon, that was dann being a twitchy dumbass and killing you with his power....but yeah...that game sucked. Horrible teammates for me in that one.

Kthxbye · Post Post #308 (isolation #43) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:12 pm

Anyone else hate levi's posting style? (ie, blobs of shit you don't want to read)

Also, GNR, we've been through this before, stop bringing it back up in order to look like you are participating. Call it scummy and vote levi or don't and drop it. If this were a noobie game, I'd accuse you of trying to lead your scumbuddy to play better (I think there's a term for it but I forgot it).

Kthxbye · Post Post #310 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:54 pm

Not you, the blobs of words you call posts

Kthxbye · Post Post #330 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:11 pm

Not gonna give us a 'kill player x and also player x is probably scum on my wagon'?

Kthxbye · Post Post #332 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:00 pm

I'm not sure that even makes sense...

Personally, I don't see how your p329 and refusal to comment on people before you die comes from a town mindset. It's actually exactly what I'd expect from scum.

If you were town, your attitude toward your lynch isn't playing to win IMO. It looks more like you being a crybaby about and hindering town.

Good thing you're scum right?

Kthxbye · Post Post #350 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:35 pm

UNVOTE: for now.

Kthxbye · Post Post #353 (isolation #48) » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:50 pm

Something about his last post. Don't know what yet as I read it from phone quickly. That and deadline is far away. No need for hammer talk quite yet. The unvote does not mean I don't get a scum vibe from him. Just want to talk more is all.

Kthxbye · Post Post #359 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:26 am

OK, back to AGar being scum. I backed off do to his post 348 where I thought I saw a claim without claiming.

Now of course, in my mind, there is no way that he comes back with post 354 after I take heat off him if he actually was a town PR.

@quadz: take away all the town points you want brah, not too concerned with making you or anyone happy.

Re: GNR: Uneasy feelings for this one, not opposed to his lynch either

Back to VOTE: AGar

Kthxbye · Post Post #361 (isolation #50) » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:31 am

In post 360, BBmolla wrote:Holy jesus if AGar is scum I'm following through with Kthx, this page was awful.

So the guy who started pointing out how scummy AGar is in the first place is scum buddies with him?

Kthxbye · Post Post #377 (isolation #51) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:00 pm

Meh, you're all prolly right. It was weak. Like I said, I thought he wasn't claiming because of a PR that would be wasted if he did so he sorta soft claimed it. Was trying to do the smart thing. I still don't know what to think of it. I go back and forth from that one single post. Up to that point, I was sure he was scum.

BUUUUUUUT: Look at this, quadz, BB (till he "took it back"), and now Zoidberg ALL think my posting last page was aweful (I read them calling it scummy?) yet are all still on the AGar wagon and have no reservations about staying on it it seems. Why is that? If my posting was so bad, then why be on the same wagon as me if you suspect me?

Kthxbye · Post Post #382 (isolation #52) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:53 pm

Why so angry? Also, foul language I don't mind. Calling me personally a "motherfucker" is beyond uncalled for. Get a grip and stop acting like a child. It's a game.

Kthxbye · Post Post #383 (isolation #53) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:55 pm

In post 379, quadz08 wrote:Plus, if he flips scum, then you're more likely to be scum as well.

And if he flips town quadz? Let me guess, I'm prolly scum right? Trying to set up chain lynches... -townpoints.

Kthxbye · Post Post #384 (isolation #54) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:56 pm

In fact, I think you should sit down and trip a bit tonight, so you can come back fresh tomorrow with a clear head. Zoidberg should do the same.

Kthxbye · Post Post #386 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:17 pm

So was my vote just weak town play then or are you calling it scummy like quadz? With all your capital letters and name calling, I can't tell. You don't want to be misrepresented to the point of anger, yet you don't care to clarify what you meant by "weak".

Kthxbye · Post Post #389 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:21 pm

Also, the use of my name at the end of your posts is so super clever. I mean, you think of that all by yourself?

Kthxbye · Post Post #394 (isolation #57) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:41 pm

Does he not normally act like a child?

Kthxbye · Post Post #396 (isolation #58) » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:43 pm

AGar is L-1 btw folks

Kthxbye · Post Post #399 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:13 am

I'd like to see GNR post something of substance before AGar is hammered.

Kthxbye · Post Post #401 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:30 am

No but I'd like a better read on him d1.

Kthxbye · Post Post #404 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:39 am

I came to the conclusion that AGar either isn't a town PR or is playing it badly. After thinking about it, I can't come up with a single reason why a town PR would rather be lynched than to claim. Especially when the hammer is called for and he is for sure the lynch for the day. Even if claiming means he's the nk, its best for town for him to claim. Who knows, the may be other roles to protect him....

Kthxbye · Post Post #412 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:22 am

In post 376, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Sorry about being inactive thus far, but yay, games cleared up, so I'll be doing a full catch up tomorrow.

If this doesn't happen, someone hammer. I do NOT like that SAD and GNR have gotten away with doing nothing today.

Kthxbye · Post Post #419 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:22 pm

I fully believe my reads of AGar for the record. His one post threw me off for a minute till I thought it through. If being cautious and actually reading every post to see if it's likely coming from a scum or town mindset, then unvoting after initially seeing it as a town mindset is scummy....lynch me. After thinking about it (as I posted earlier) there is no way that not claiming at this point is in any way a town mentality. Not claiming helps town in no way shape or form, but does help scum if that refusal to claim is a PR. That means we lynch a PR due to no claim and scum can lynch whoever they want. If you had claimed a PR, then we'd be able to lynch someone else and possibly catch scum (assuming you weren't fake claiming) and at the very worst, scum would be forced to NK you. By you not claiming, you put the power in the hands of scum, not town (if you're a PR).

If you're not a PR and just VT, goodbye.

Well, goodbye regardless since it's too late for you to claim a PR now anyway. I, for one, wouldn't believe you unless you breadcrumbed it waaaaay early.

Kthxbye · Post Post #423 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:53 pm

In post 421, FourTrouble wrote:A belief that claiming is detrimental to town is not inherently scummy or towny - it's just one principle a player can hold among many other competing ones. The fact Agar is sticking to his principles is giving me a good town-read. Scum would have probably claimed something by now.

A: that's not my case
B: your post seems very informed. Either way I see you as scum too. That post is either defending your scumbuddy or distancing yourself from a mislynch as much as possible. Either way, you get my vote day 2.

Kthxbye · Post Post #430 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:34 pm

FT: This...

"The fact Agar is sticking to his principles is giving me a good town-read."

Fuck his principles. Not claiming doesn't do ANYTHING to help town. ESPECIALLY as a PR as I thought his one post hinted at. He's scummy for lying multiple times. Add in the sorta 'soft claim' with 'I'm not claiming' mentality....not a town mindset.

Kthxbye · Post Post #432 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:12 pm

you're whole post reads 1 of 2 ways and I can see it both ways. Either you know he's gonna flip town (principle sticking isn't a town tell to anyone) or you are trying to save him.

Kthxbye · Post Post #435 (isolation #67) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:35 pm

Just making my scum read on you even better FT. OMGUS much? I call you scum, and you vote me. Classic scum.

Kthxbye · Post Post #440 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:19 pm

"I also have read. I just didn't meticulously count votes." This is the quote I'm referring to. If you had read, I just don't see a way you miss the obvious wagons that were legit.

That being said, you made me re-read your ISO. Spoiler, I'm having second thoughts.

Kthxbye · Post Post #457 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:11 pm

Know what doesn't give me warm fuzzies about this lynch? We have plenty of time to talk before deadline, but AGar is L-1 and half the players in this game seem to be lurking or posting prod dodges. Now, I know it's D1 and all, but so many players hiding in the shadows doesn't make my scum read of AGar any stronger. Neither do his posts as of late.

I'm now officially against lynching AGar.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Cyberbob

Kthxbye · Post Post #459 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:23 pm

If that were the case, why isn't he hammered by now? Actually....hmmmm

If AGar is town, all 3 scum would have to already be on his wagon. If not, a scum could have easily said that the day is stale and hammered him by now with little to no suspicion come D2.

on the flip side

If Agar is scum, then either his scum buddies are already bussing, or they don't want to hammer him due to a scum-PR or something. Again though, it would be easy to get town cred by hammering him if both aren't already bussing him.....

@all: Which do you think is most likely?

Kthxbye · Post Post #461 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:24 pm

Just saw that Cyber is semi-V/LA...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Om

Kthxbye · Post Post #462 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:25 pm

In post 460, DeasVail wrote:Why do you think scum would think it best to hammer him?

As town or as scumbuddy?

Kthxbye · Post Post #463 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:26 pm

AGar town: To mislynch with little to no suspicion due to lack of activity....meaningful activity

AGar scum: Town cred

Kthxbye · Post Post #464 (isolation #74) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:27 pm

What do you think AGar? Why haven't you been hammered yet?

Kthxbye · Post Post #468 (isolation #75) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:36 pm

Why don't you want to go on the record one way or the other?

I personally think you're onto something with scum not caring if he's lynched now or later. Meaning AGar's most likely town due to the speed (or lack thereof) of his lynch. If he were scum, scum wanting town cred would be worthy of hammering him a day or 2 ago when he was easily considered today's lynch.

Yup, not voting AGar again today. Going to look to see who bit off a little too easily on my case for my vote on him without any added reasons of their own....actually....

AGar: If you're town, who's the most likely scum on your wagon and why. Time for you to not be on the defensive and give us a read/case.

Kthxbye · Post Post #471 (isolation #76) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:47 pm

I think both are goods ways to go about it. I'd still like everyone to chime in on their thoughts on the subject.

Kthxbye · Post Post #481 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:11 am

Z: would skimming the thread be indicative of a scum play? Wouldn't scum be a little more careful with what they post?

I think town are more inclined to skim than scum hence part of my reversal on my read of him.

Not scumhunting or committing is another story. It all boils down to my read on him being piss poor at this point.

Kthxbye · Post Post #484 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:31 am

Thought it was obvious why I voted them. Those who are lurking waiting for AGar to be lynched were my targets. I just don't have enough votes. GNR, SAD, CB, levi, and Om all need to get on here and post something recent worth a cent....maybe 2 cents if they can fit this game into their busy schedules. Their posting thus far isn't good enough to get a read on them. You were in that boat till very recently as well. Glad town-d3x showed up.

Kthxbye · Post Post #486 (isolation #79) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:07 pm

In post 459, I'm not actually suggesting that those are the only 2 scenarios available. Both are a stretch. I was just thinking out loud to generate discussion over why AGar wasn't dead. I do hold to the belief that it's most likely because he's town. Just because I am leaning town on him, doesn't also mean that I am of the belief that all 3 scum are on his wagon. I talk about it in my p468 when responding to DV. Scum not rushing his lynch sounds much more plausible than all 3 scum being on his wagon.

So, where does that leave me currently as far as my scum reads are concerned? Kinda lost to be honest. I'd say there is most likely at least on in the list of lurkers I mention in p484. Some rereading required.

Kthxbye · Post Post #491 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:52 pm

In post 490, quadz08 wrote:
v/la for 3 days[\b]

Yeeeaaah, I don't think so.
VOTE: quadz

Kthxbye · Post Post #503 (isolation #81) » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:13 pm

VOTE: GNRtoo opportunistic on calling out AGar scum imo.

Quadz: I thought you were doing it on purpose seeing as how you got some heat and then v/la for a period of time that went to deadline. I don't apologize for thinking it either.

Kthxbye · Post Post #527 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:02 pm

In post 521, Zoidberg wrote:v/la until monday

are you fucking serious? Completely v/la?

Fuck that.
VOTE: Z

These wouldn't piss me off if they included something like "I have xxxx to do and won't be around but I want town to do xxxxx". But they don't, just out of the blue v/la's make my mislynch bells go off.

Kthxbye · Post Post #530 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:37 pm

Sigh, this game is stale and GNR is a good lynch even if we have lurkers galore....at least he's the worst of them.

Maybe I'm being rash about the V/LA thing too..../shrug.

Here's L-1 GNR. Care to explain why you gave us all your reads and didn't unvote the "leaning town" guy you have your vote on?

VOTE: GNR

Kthxbye · Post Post #531 (isolation #84) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:37 pm

Oh snap, not L-1...ah well, at least Mod doesn't have to do another VC.

Kthxbye · Post Post #542 (isolation #85) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:20 pm

...so your positive town players include both D1 Wagons....

Kthxbye · Post Post #544 (isolation #86) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:28 pm

It's never too late.
VOTE: levi

Kthxbye · Post Post #545 (isolation #87) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:29 pm

OM: you forgot lame ass role fishing.

Kthxbye · Post Post #547 (isolation #88) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:31 pm

Need a "vote:" in there probably

Kthxbye · Post Post #551 (isolation #89) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:36 pm

They aren't actually horrible points.

And what is with people saying they are reading this game and missing obvious shit?

P.edit: nice omgus

Kthxbye · Post Post #554 (isolation #90) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:39 pm

People being vt would also make some of those people not scum.

Kthxbye · Post Post #555 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:40 pm

In post 550, leviathan93 wrote:and who the fuck said I was role fishing? i merely stated that if there was P R in this setup that would make some of those people not all scum.

I believe scum now to be either kthx or Om. for trying to start a pointless wagon.

Omgus looks like this^

Kthxbye · Post Post #562 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:00 pm

In post 557, leviathan93 wrote:exactly. but as I said. I at least know the four people I specified to be pro town. i don't know the rest. would it better if I said everyone else was NULL?

Tell me how you "know" this information. Also, point to where you tried to steer town away from a mislynch of AGar and GNR, who according to you, you have information about their alignment.

Kthxbye · Post Post #570 (isolation #93) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:27 am

In post 566, Om wrote:.....
I feel like hitting my head on the wall.

Unvote vote GNR

Lynching lurking scummy person over lynching possible VI seems better option atm.

in my last game where people called someone VI, that person turned out scum. Very similar to levi. I'm good with lynching levi or GNR.

Kthxbye · Post Post #571 (isolation #94) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:29 am

I wouldn't cry over AGar either. I don't want any of them come end game.

Kthxbye · Post Post #583 (isolation #95) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:28 pm

This day needs to end.
VOTE: GNR

Kthxbye · Post Post #587 (isolation #96) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:44 pm

what...the....fuck....

Kthxbye · Post Post #589 (isolation #97) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:54 pm

FT or quadz: scum
I don't know who...SK?
Someone (not me)...Vig?

3 deaths N1 hurts....

p.edit: UT-then you're an idiot

Kthxbye · Post Post #591 (isolation #98) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:07 pm

I actually believe that post from quadz.

VOTE: FourTrouble

Kthxbye · Post Post #592 (isolation #99) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:13 pm

With the probable SK in the mix, I don't see scum bussing GNR, specially with how quick GNR was lynched and with AGar being a very real possibility. I'm convinced d3x is town at this point. At the very least, not scum. Could be possible he's an SK, but we'll cross that bridge after we kill scum.

On that note, does anyone have any other theory's to how 3 ppl were killed last night if not for an SK/Vig type set-up?

Kthxbye · Post Post #595 (isolation #100) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:28 pm

Really? Is nobody going to comment on the THREE TOWN DEATHS NIGHT ONE? One death, no reason to comment, 3 deaths, you'd better have a fucking opinion and post it.

Kthxbye · Post Post #605 (isolation #101) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:07 pm

In post 600, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Wait Zoidberg is also scum.

so...2 scum left? Explain 3 NK's then please.

Kthxbye · Post Post #608 (isolation #102) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:25 pm

Why would it not matter?

It matters for wagon analysis you fool

. If there is an SK (which is the only thing I can think of to explain last night), then there is 1 scum left. This means that the probability of that scum bussing GNR with AGar as a possibility VERY unlikely. If it seems like I have said this before, it's because I have. It's logical and it makes sense....unlike the 3 votes on me. Let's look at your reasoning SAD:

In post 599, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 501, Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:Kthxbye - Leaning Town
Had as a town read through most of the ISO, but some of the recent posts, particularly votes, seem off. In particular, the Om vote seems out of place

Mmk yea I can roll with a kthx lynch.

So...by this logic, BB, Cyberbob, FourTrouble, levi, and Zoid are all scum as well. Are you really that bad at this game?

Not even going to comment on how stupid UT and BB's votes are. That's a lie, I am. First.....

@UT: Please explain how me being GNR's scumbuddy makes sense....like....at all. Point to the posts where you see the strongest connections, then punch yourself in the face for being stupid. After punching, go ahead and build that case on me for all to see.

@BB: How are they fake? How are they bad? inb4 talking about NK's is a scumtell. It can be, when there is one NK. When there are 3, it's stupid to NOT try and figure out anti-town setup. So yeah, explain.

p.edit: Just because I sucked in that game as scum doesn't mean I don't try and play the same way whether scum or town. That was a bad game and one of maybe 2 times I haven't been town. At any rate, meta is stupid. Also, what am I doing that you would consider me being a "huge asshole"? Making sense is an asshole trait now-a-days?

Kthxbye · Post Post #609 (isolation #103) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Also, unless someone can come up with something other than a 2-scum 1-SK setup to explain the 3 NK's, quadz is conf town.

Kthxbye · Post Post #618 (isolation #104) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:13 pm

In post 610, Zoidberg wrote:
In post 608, Kthxbye wrote:Also, what am I doing that you would consider me being a "huge asshole"? Making sense is an asshole trait now-a-days?

How about this quote, you piece of shit?

In post 527, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 521, Zoidberg wrote:v/la until monday
are you fucking serious? Completely v/la?

Fuck that.
VOTE: Z

These wouldn't piss me off if they included something like "I have xxxx to do and won't be around but I want town to do xxxxx". But they don't, just out of the blue v/la's make my mislynch bells go off.

You did the same thing to quadz, too.

I have zero obligation to explain my RL business to you, son. If you have a problem with that, then take it up with the moderator. Otherwise do yourself a favour and keep your mouth shut.

Again, not going to apologize for being suspicious of people going v/la till deadline in a game that was stagnant at the time. If you know you have shit coming up at around the deadline time, try saying something earlier than the day you go V/LA. If it's something that is considered an emergency, you shouldn't be posting anything anyway...hence, emergency. Being suspicious of suspicious activity doesn't make me an asshole and doesn't let you off the hook for doing it in a suspicious way.

In post 611, Zoidberg wrote:As in, 2 scum families?

Yeah, or 1 scum family, 1 sk, 1 vig.

Or 2 scum families, 1 vig.

etc.

2 scum families. First, doesn't explain 3 NK's. Second, 4 scum in a 13 player game with a Miller and GF to through off Cop investigations. No way town wins this game.

2 scum families with a Vig/SK. No way. That's 4/5 anti-town in a 13 player game with a Miller and GF to through off Cop investigations. No way town wins this game.

1 scum familiy, 1 sk, and 1 vig. This is what I believe the only one of the 3 you suggested to be plausible.

p.edit: That's cuz I'm town. Also, BB and quadz are town. d3x doubting what he knows to be true about me is weird, but I have him as town. Om is leaning town as well. That leaves:

Zoidberg
Untrod Tripod
Cyberbob
Ser Arthur Dayne
Four Trouble

...as people I'm willing to lynch today. I'll eat my hat if Four Trouble doesn't flip SK or scum.

Kthxbye · Post Post #620 (isolation #105) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:20 pm

In post 591, Kthxbye wrote:I actually believe that post from quadz.

VOTE: FourTrouble

Kthxbye · Post Post #624 (isolation #106) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:25 pm

Cuz I can

Kthxbye · Post Post #626 (isolation #107) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:30 pm

@d3x: fair enough.

P.edit: @Zoid, I did

Kthxbye · Post Post #632 (isolation #108) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:09 am

Less sure about BB being town aligned. Will post more on why tonight.

Kthxbye · Post Post #635 (isolation #109) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:37 am

In post 629, BBmolla wrote:
In post 595, Kthxbye wrote:Really? Is nobody going to comment on the THREE TOWN DEATHS NIGHT ONE? One death, no reason to comment, 3 deaths, you'd better have a fucking opinion and post it.

Which one was yours

In post 608, Kthxbye wrote:So...by this logic, BB, Cyberbob, FourTrouble, levi, and Zoid are all scum as well. Are you really that bad at this game?

Well we know it certainly wasn't Levi.

In post 608, Kthxbye wrote:@BB: How are they fake? How are they bad? inb4 talking about NK's is a scumtell. It can be, when there is one NK. When there are 3, it's stupid to NOT try and figure out anti-town setup. So yeah, explain.

The only possible thing that could come out of it is revealing power roles. Just assume there is an SK and move on. Your assesment that an SK means GNR couldn't have been bussed is ridiculous.

In post 604, Om wrote:I'm honestly not seeing how Ktx is scum, anyone voting him mind enlightening me?

You seriously haven't been reading some of his votes? I mean just look at his Zoidberg vote, what in gods name

Why is Quadz confirmed town I missed that

Gonna reread my daycop on GNR, getting a fake guilty on the godfather, how ironic.

I might have misread Om, eh.

Arthur post more stuff

1. I've said what the setup I think most likely is and why.
2. That was part of my point in posting that list
3. People asking me why I said quadz was conf town is also asking to reveal a PR.
3.1. It's not ridiculous at all considering D1 events.
4. I was voting nilly-willy yesterday on people who were lurking. That's what in God's name.
5. I'm a Jailkeeper and I took quadz to a safe place and tripped acid with him. Thus, he didn't kill anyone last night. He also wasn't targeted for a kill due to there being 3 NK's.

So there, 2 confirmed town. Enjoy.

P.S. I decided to claim as to avoid a Vig kill tonight. Will now take ideas on who to JK tonight.

Kthxbye · Post Post #637 (isolation #110) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:45 am

Are you high? Dead guys don't kill people...

Kthxbye · Post Post #638 (isolation #111) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:46 am

Who's the fool again?

Kthxbye · Post Post #649 (isolation #112) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:19 am

In post 642, BBmolla wrote:Well coolio. Debating whether we should just mass claim at this point.

Was thinking the same. I don't want to JK a town PR tonight. I will confirm my night action before day ends

Kthxbye · Post Post #650 (isolation #113) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:21 am

A mass claim gives us more info than scum I think with being able to analyze last nights kills.

Kthxbye · Post Post #652 (isolation #114) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:37 am

No? Why not? Do you not think it would help town more than scum at this point? If not, why?

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:30 am

Yeah, it wouldnt help me not target town PRs or give light to last nights killings. D3x brought up a good point that its possible we have a joit instead of an sk which would mean quadz wouldn't be confirmed.

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:30 am

But that's fine, I'll just make known who my target is before n2

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:41 am

Well, if I'm targeted tonight, which is probable, it will give town info in the event I can't talk due to death D3.

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:43 am

Exactly why I think a mass claim is good.

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:27 pm

In post 670, Untrod Tripod wrote:congrats, you broke the code

now let's lynch this scumfuck

Which "scumfuck" would you be referring to exactly? You know, since your vote is on me and all....

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:37 pm

loudmouth...maybe....but I think dumb is on the other foot.

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:48 pm

I honestly can't see a reason you'd want to push a lynch on a claimed town PR as a town player. I don't think you are GNR's scumbuddy (re-my belief scum didn't bus GNR), but you're definitely not acting as though you have a town WINCON. I wonder if you figured that out a little late after your p670 and p672 generating the p673 redaction.

p.edit: I targeted quadz on a hunch. It was him or DV due to them remaining on the AGar wagon. I should have targetted FT since I'm pretty sure he's anti-town as well.

@UT: So you're saying you DON'T believe my claim then? Think I'm going to come out the gate D2 and fake claim something as the probable last remaining scum? Also, your argument against a MC is that you believe I'm a scum RB?

Kthxbye · Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:56 pm

That is not what you hinted at in p678

Kthxbye · Post Post #685 (isolation #123) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:03 pm

I read it as him thinking I was fake claiming. I could be wrong after rereading it. BUT, scum gf and rb with sk, vig, cop, miller and jk......I don't see that as the setup.

Kthxbye · Post Post #688 (isolation #124) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:15 pm

In post 384, Kthxbye wrote:In fact, I think you should sit down and trip a bit tonight, so you can come back fresh tomorrow with a clear head. Zoidberg should do the same.

By the by, here is my breadcrumb for my PR.

Kthxbye · Post Post #689 (isolation #125) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:16 pm

Miller isn't common in my experience. Thus I consider it wierd enough.

Kthxbye · Post Post #692 (isolation #126) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:54 pm

PRs dont win games, good scum hunting does. And since we nailed scum day 1, it sets us up for success by reducing our lynch pool today.

Kthxbye · Post Post #694 (isolation #127) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:42 pm

claim bb

Kthxbye · Post Post #718 (isolation #128) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:21 am

In post 712, quadz08 wrote:So I don't get the 4T case. (Is there a case? I don't even think anyone has posted reasons yet.) I just ISO'd him, and he doesn't do anything that I find scummy. The only thing I saw was when he voted GNR, then literally 3-4 minutes later, unvotes and votes someone else (BB or Levi or something), as if he wants a vote for GNR in his history, but doesn't actually want to be voting for him. *shrug* That's not really enough on it's own, for me.

Anyone care to splain it?

I'm voting 4t based on my jk of quadz, dead people, and wagon analysis which I have explained.

Kthxbye · Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:58 am

Remember how I said that I JK'd you, quadz. Remember how I said that I didn't think GNR was bussed? Notice that the only person not dead and not on GNR was 4t? Tada! Wagon analysis!

Kthxbye · Post Post #729 (isolation #130) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:58 pm

Why yes he has. They are so full of content and so numerous, I prolly shouldn't quote them without spoiler tags in order to save space!....but I will....

In post 647, FourTrouble wrote:
Vote Zoidberg

In post 648, FourTrouble wrote:Also, something still feels wrong about BB's posts. I'd put Zoid and BB down as scum. I'll post some more analysis later tonight after I go through D1 more thoroughly.

Later tonight would have been Wednesday night btw....oh, and also 4 pages ago....

Kthxbye · Post Post #730 (isolation #131) » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:30 pm

Everyone waiting for 4t to post or do you all have more of a life than me?

Kthxbye · Post Post #744 (isolation #132) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:45 am

In post 741, quadz08 wrote:If this were under typical circumstances, I'd be fine with the D2 lynch on 4T (since he's useless) even though I've got a townish null on him. The issue with it is that if we're wrong and he's town, and three more NKs happen tonight, that's very possibly 2:2:1 tomorrow, which is shit-on-a-stick for town. I still haven't had a chance to re-read people, but I am unsure about the wisdom of this lynch, especially given the speed at which the wagon has built up.

In post 745, Untrod Tripod wrote:I mean either that or you slipped knowledge of a 3-man scum team

Fuck me, UT actually makes a very valid point here....If it's a 3 man scum team and SK vs town (more likely than 2 killing town roles imo), then quadz is far from cleared and his desire for us to "pretend his earlier post doesn't exists" is....fuck.

I'm still good with 4T's lynch, but if he flips SK, then look at this talk between quadz and UT. I could see it either of these ways:
1. quadz is town, and p741 was an honest mistake in thought process and UT is trying to make an honest mistake look scummy
2. UT just caught quadz making a legit scum-slip

Both are very possible and more probable than both UT and quadz being town.

Not sure what action to take tonight...

@4T:

In post 738, Om wrote:
In post 733, FourTrouble wrote:BB and Zoid, that's who you guys should take a look at.

The position you're in probably posting that analysis you promised would be better then this.

So much this...

Kthxbye · Post Post #746 (isolation #133) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:51 am

I can see it just as easy from a scum mindset. Hell, that's the whole point of being scum, casting doubt on town players.

Kthxbye · Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:36 pm

Wondering why SAD is lurking.

Kthxbye · Post Post #755 (isolation #135) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:08 pm

Really SAD? That's all you are going to contribute?

Kthxbye · Post Post #757 (isolation #136) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:59 pm

Then why is your vote still on me?

Kthxbye · Post Post #759 (isolation #137) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:41 pm

Kthxbye · Post Post #761 (isolation #138) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:51 pm

Damnit UT, quit looking town

Kthxbye · Post Post #770 (isolation #139) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:25 pm

Lack of motivation my ass. You were motivated enough to submit a night action...

Kthxbye · Post Post #777 (isolation #140) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:11 pm

I trust him

Kthxbye · Post Post #779 (isolation #141) » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:45 pm

I don't have a scum read on him either, but I do have a worthless read.

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:32 am

You killed the thread SAD.....

Can we get a post similar to 781 on the rest of the players in the game?

Kthxbye · Post Post #785 (isolation #143) » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:44 pm

....uh oh, more...what is that...an ostrich?...pics. Guess It's time to kill 4T.

Kthxbye · Post Post #791 (isolation #144) » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:43 am

Hammer on the Lord's day...? Not very nice D3x. I'm happy about it though

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:46 am

First of all, I think I want a mass claim. Secondly, scum have an RB because I JK'ed BB last night and he's dead. Thirdly, I'm not sure how we had 3 deaths N1 and only 1 death N2. If I had to guess, I'd guess that the the last scum on either team who has a RB PR blocked me instead of killing....yeah...I want a mass claim.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:48 am

oh, and yeah, quadz is no longer cleared with the probable 9-2-2 setup. My town read on d3x is now void as he will of course look like he's hunting scum with another faction/team out there. Fuck me sideways...I hate you Reck.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:02 pm

Om---------------------
Zoidberg--------------
D3x---------------------
Quadz08---------------
Untrod Tripod---------
Ser Arthur Dayne-----
Kthxbye-----------------Jailkeeper

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:03 pm

Zoid, claim.

Kthxbye · Post Post #829 (isolation #149) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:58 pm

who's next quadz?

Kthxbye · Post Post #830 (isolation #150) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:01 pm

In post 801, Kthxbye wrote:Om---------------------
Zoidberg--------------Bulletproof Townie
D3x---------------------
Quadz08---------------Inventor
Untrod Tripod---------
Ser Arthur Dayne-----
Kthxbye-----------------Jailkeeper

Updated for this page.

I has things to say to this already, but I want everyone's claims first.
(psst, make d3x claim next)

Kthxbye · Post Post #833 (isolation #151) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:06 pm

Om is being replaced.....

Kthxbye · Post Post #834 (isolation #152) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:07 pm

So....prolly gonna be waiting a bit......which I don't like at all

Kthxbye · Post Post #840 (isolation #153) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:58 pm

who? d3x or SAD?

Kthxbye · Post Post #843 (isolation #154) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:29 pm

In post 830, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 801, Kthxbye wrote:Om---------------------
Zoidberg--------------Bulletproof Townie
D3x---------------------Watcher
Quadz08---------------Inventor
Untrod Tripod---------
Ser Arthur Dayne-----VT
Kthxbye-----------------Jailkeeper

Updated

Kthxbye · Post Post #844 (isolation #155) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:30 pm

UT, go ahead and claim as Om is replacing out....uh....at some point...?

Kthxbye · Post Post #845 (isolation #156) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:33 pm

So far I have:

Om
Zoidberg
UT
SAD

on the chopping block still. D3x and Quadz are to be untouched.

Kthxbye · Post Post #846 (isolation #157) » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:03 pm

Actually, I'd lynch Zoid right now. His play does not match that of someone scum can't kill. BP townies play like flippin hardcore town and try to be a threat to scum. Zoid has played lurker and scummy. Not sure who the other scum would be, be Zoid is our lynch today imo.
VOTE: Zoid

Kthxbye · Post Post #899 (isolation #158) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:43 am

Ok, so today we have..
Om---------------------VT
Zoidberg--------------Bulletproof Townie
D3x---------------------Watcher (targets kthx N1, Om/KJ N2)
Quadz08---------------Inventor (targets UT N1 {JK'ed}, UT N2)
Untrod Tripod---------Strongman Vig (targets Levi N1, BB N2)
Ser Arthur Dayne-----VT
Kthxbye-----------------Jailkeeper (targets quadz N1, BB N2)

Something isn't adding up here...
Time for my thoughts:

on UT

:
I do not like this claim for only one reason... From Wiki: "

Strongman is usually X-Shot. It is usually scum-aligned

, but

has been seen on Town Vigilantes as well

(where the overall role is called

Juggernaut

)." "One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

That said, I must lean to it being true at this point due to 3 kills N1 and BB getting killed even though I JK'ed him last night. Not voting UT.

on Quadz

I believe this claim. Could also be semi-true and be scum, but I doubt it highly with the breadcrumbs he had. Will not be voting quadz.

on d3x

Yeah, he's town as fuck. Will not be voting him. I know him IRL and this is not a fake claim he's coming up with and then bread crumbing from the start of the day as scum.

on Zoidberg

I don't like this claim at all either mainly due to the piss fucking poor play he's had this game if he's fucking BP. Zoidberg, if you are BP town, you need to start acting like it right fucking now. 2 thoughts on how this is possibly a fake claim. He no kills last night knowing a MC to be coming today in order to fake claim. This makes sense with his p810 comment "Bulletproof townie. Probably explains lack of kills last night." This claim is not sitting well with me at all.

on SAD and KJ

I actually believe AT LEAST one of them to be truthful if not both. Will show in game set-up theory-craft.

Game setup:

First of all, I assume a 9:2:2 setup...Makes most sense but not confirmed in the least.

Scum team 1

GNR: Scum GF
????: Scum prob unk PR

Scum team 2

BB: Scum Tracker
???: Scum prob unk PR

Town

(in order of known to least likely)

Levi

: Town Cop

AGar

: Miller (counter to cop) +scum strength

DV

: VT

FT

: VT
Kthx: Jail Keeper
d3x: Watcher
Quadz: Inventor
UT: Strongman Vig (waaay {too?} strong PR) +town strength
KJ: VT
Zoidberg: BP townie
SAD: VT

After this, I'm kinda weak at analysis. If we assume that 2 remaining scum have PR's, then 4 VT's is too weak for town. If the other 2 remaining scum DON'T have PR's, then 4 VT is likely. I don't see 1 remaining scum to have a PR and the other not. Which is more likely, in my mind, I'd say 2 remaining scum PR's.

With all that said, I see some suggestions for today's and tonight's actions. I say we lynch SAD today. With a scum flip, I JK KJ, and have UT take no action and have d3x watch zoid. With a town flip, I still JK KJ, UT shoot's Zoid in his lying face and d3x watches me.

Kthxbye · Post Post #900 (isolation #159) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:46 am

first off quadz, 4 town aren't dying tonight if we work on our actions and reads even remotely well. I may be biased, but I like my plan.

secondly, in the event we are are thinking at a kindergarten level and we end up at a 1:1:1, town loses and one of the scum teams (if not both in the event they lynch last town) wins. scum win's when it's 1:1.

Kthxbye · Post Post #901 (isolation #160) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:48 am

also, it depends on BB's partner and what PR (if any) they have. Tracker is pretty stinking powerful and he can't track and submit the NK.

Kthxbye · Post Post #903 (isolation #161) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:59 am

Jailing DOES inhibit his PR.

Kthxbye · Post Post #904 (isolation #162) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:00 am

He can't do shit if he's tripping balls, which includes gifting inventions.

Kthxbye · Post Post #906 (isolation #163) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:07 am

He can kill someone I'm JK'ing but he can not kill if he is JK'ed. period. I got UT and quadz mixed up btw...i meant UT

Kthxbye · Post Post #910 (isolation #164) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:55 am

Cuz I think SAD is scum and but not so much KJ. also, the PR's claimed seem to make sense. Zoid can die if he's lying or will live and prove he's town.

Kthxbye · Post Post #912 (isolation #165) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:59 am

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

They can't be blocked but he can't do an action that can't be blocked if I JK him. The action thus doesn't happen vs the action going past my JK of someone he targets. I also have my Role PM to lead me to this very conclusion. Easier way to solve this.

MOD: If a Jail Keeper targets a Strongman, does the Strongman's actions still happen?

Kthxbye · Post Post #913 (isolation #166) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:04 am

SAD: do you think you have done anything pro-town this game? If so, reference your posts (there aren't many so should be easy)

Zoid: If you are bulletproof, why the hell have you been playing they way you are playing? Would you consider your play that of what you would expect a BP townie to play? What posts have you posted that you think show you as uber town and someone who town Vig's wouldn't kill but scum would want to target?

KJ: What did you think of your predecessors play? Would you have called him town or went after him for lynch? Why?

Kthxbye · Post Post #917 (isolation #167) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:56 am

We'll see KJ. Mod will come back with an answer. I will say that my role PM says my target is tripping on acid and also says that the person can't do anything while they are strung out on drugs. It may be flavor only or it may be that I'm not the standard JK. Again, MOD will let us know one way or the other so....

Kthxbye · Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:29 am

In post 928, quadz08 wrote:So I guess ideally we do this:

lynch KJ
UT shoots SAD (no reason to think zoidberg is lying about being BP, regardless of alignment)
kthx JKs zoid
d3x watches one of UT and kthx (DON'T TELL US WHICH) because one of them is almost certainly dead tonigh

At least 1 scum will be dead come tomorrow if we follow that plan.

I would like the MOD to answer my question in game (not that I don't believe you UT) and then yeah, I'm good with this.

UNVOTE:
Consider it on board with KJ/SAD lynch. (though I'd pick SAD over him tbh.)

Kthxbye · Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:01 pm

MOD: Question 2: In the event someone is gifted something from an Inventor, would that person be able to use the gift and an ability from a PR?

Kthxbye · Post Post #938 (isolation #170) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:07 pm

KJ, who would you put money on being scum out of those left? PR or no PR.

Kthxbye · Post Post #944 (isolation #171) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:20 pm

I have to agree with that assessment actually. I'm hoping alll last scum is between KJ, sad, and Zoid, but if not, d3x is the most likely out of him, UT, and quadz.

Kthxbye · Post Post #945 (isolation #172) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:23 pm

I'm actually very much against lynching KJ and would like to see UT kill Zoid while I jk KJ actually. KJ's last post screams town. Thoughts?

Kthxbye · Post Post #948 (isolation #173) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:50 pm

Ok...I'll bite. How so?

Kthxbye · Post Post #950 (isolation #174) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:12 pm

See SAD, this is why you're viewed as scum. You have been completely unhelpful. If you are town, I'd like the MOD to just kill you for not playing to win.

VOTE: SAD

Kthxbye · Post Post #958 (isolation #175) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:36 pm

funny thing is, I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure quadz is as well....so....

Kthxbye · Post Post #960 (isolation #176) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:38 pm

In post 957, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:(btw do know that if scum only have 2 on their team they'd be a lot more reluctant to bus, etc, which shows in quadz's/kthx's interactions with GNR)

So...I hammered my scumbuddy?

Kthxbye · Post Post #964 (isolation #177) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:46 pm

see, the problem is I can't take you seriously. Look through your ISO and tell me where I should say to myself "man, that guy is town and good at it"....

Kthxbye · Post Post #971 (isolation #178) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:24 pm

In post 966, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 964, Kthxbye wrote:see, the problem is I can't take you seriously. Look through your ISO and tell me where I should say to myself "man, that guy is town and good at it"....

This is the third time you have made absurd and preposterous associations and correlations.

so...you're not going to show me where you think you look town?

Kthxbye · Post Post #985 (isolation #179) » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:37 am

Do you see him doing that now? Scumhunting that is?

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:41 am

ZOMG, we come full circle. Hi, tried this earlier. What's YOUR thoughts about night actions to go alone with this?

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:47 am

Also, still answer the question I have referring to SAD in p985 which is in response to your p984.

p.edit: I swear I posted something like this earlier...must have been just in my head though since I can't find it.

p.p.edit: I'm good with this. I'll JK KJ, you kill SAD, d3x still watches me.

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:56 am

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:46 pm

Ok, something is bothering me...yeah, I'm this paranoid...Could d3x have gotten his claim and "night results" as a result of being partnered with a Tracker (BB)? My issue is that there was no NK except for our Vig's kill. With 2 mafia still left...is it possible that Zoid WAS in fact visited but due to BP, he wasn't killed? Just throwing ideas out there to make sure we don't eff this up. Thoughts?

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:02 pm

Well, the plan is laid out for all to see but I'll say again here...

I JK KJ
UT vig's SAD
D3x watches me or quadz

VOTE: Zoid

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:51 pm

eh...maybe the hammer was a little quick. Sorry...kinda...it's my style.

Anyway, this push from SAD to not die makes me happy I did though. I think he was going to take his sweet time into getting off the kill list and my hammer just changed that hense p1032, 1034, and 1036. COMPLETE opposite of his posts up to my hammer. So yeah, UT, shoot his face off.

d3x: The problem is the OM watch. You explain it as confusion on your end. I don't know that I believe you don't think through exactly what you are looking for for your Night Actions. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize after game but something isn't right about you "mixing up" watcher and tracker.

On that note, I like this:

In post 1031, killerjester wrote:Actually D3x should watch Kthx 100%
quadz should randomly assign his invention 50/50 between Kthx and UT

This method could be used to verify D3x's watcher claim.

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:54 pm

In post 1037, quadz08 wrote:
In post 1033, d3x wrote:Shit, I'm still reading the last 4-5 pages. I'm going off of the plan laid out in 1031 or 1027?

1027. Don't tell the scum who you're watching, they'll know which person to kill (hint: it will be the other one)

as stated above, I like KJ's idea to prove d3x's claim. So d3x, you watch me to (semi) prove your claim.

Kthxbye · Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:03 pm

it's not scum that you would semi claim you, it's quadz.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:16 am

What's left:

KJ---------------------VT
D3x---------------------Watcher (targets kthx N1, Om/KJ N2)
Untrod Tripod---------Strongman Vig (targets Levi N1, BB N2)

Kthxbye-----------------Jailkeeper

(targets quadz N1, BB N2, will reveal later)

Scum team looks like this:

GNR: Godfather
????: Scum PR

Zoidberg: Alpha WW (Godfather)
BB: WW Tracker

Town PR's include: Jailkeeper, Inventor, Miller, Cop, ?????, (possible ???)

So, all I have to do is figure out the more likely town role out of Strongman Vig or Town Watcher or both.

Questions:
UT: What did quadz gift you N2? Were you gifted last night and what was it? (for confirmation sake as opposed to assuming) What was your action last night?
d3x: Who did you watch last night and what was the result? Where you gifted last night and what was it?
KJ: Were you gifted last night and what was it?

After all those are answered, I will say what action I took and whether I was gifted or not.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:30 am

This is LYLO btw, If I see a vote till it's time, I will track you down and feed on your soul.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:38 am

Damn you KJ, I wanted to at least see d3x's lie.

Alas, I was thinking the exact same thing. I only worry that strongman Vig is a little too powerful for town. That said, a compulsive scum vig would be much more so.

VOTE: d3x

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:42 am

KJ, why ruin the fun man?

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:43 am

I mean, I had literally just txted d3x to tell him the game was back up.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:58 pm

Good game all. I hate playing with d3x...he always makes me feel like he's town.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Can't believe we ended this day with a win without even giving d3x a chance to post. We are assholes. I mean, it was obvious after the alpha flip, but still...

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:18 pm

In post 1070, BBmolla wrote:
In post 1053, Kthxbye wrote:I mean, I had literally just txted d3x to tell him the game was back up.

Believe this is against the rules btw.

gg, I think the scum should have claimed VTs, claiming their roles was silly (Especially Watcher.)

d3x and I talk literally on a daily basis. I can't see how telling him the game was open is against the rules. Then again, it's all up to the MOD I suppose.

Kthxbye · Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:24 pm

Sweet, even if UT hadn't killed BB, I had him JK'ed that night. Good read me (and UT of course).