Mini 1432: Clue Master Detective (Game Over)

[shos]

VOTE: SERRA

[shos]

Yes!
VOTE: MALAKITTENS

L-2

[shos]

To whom it may concern,

I, Shos le Grand, hath been ableth to get me lovely hands on

CONCRETE EVIDENCE

that Ms. Malakittens is our bloody hated Murderer.

Behold.

Exhibit A:
Baby spice votes mala in post 21. obvious RVS vote, clearly nothing of importance. Mala responds with a defensive question for the matter.
Exhibit B:
I vote Mala and put her in L-2 without anything added. Mala responds with clear overreaction.
Exhibit C:
Serra asks Mala if she thinks my vote is RVS(duh) and Mala says no, and instead it is an 'illy placed vote', wondering if it is alignment telling for two lines without making a decision. Once again - all this...is an overreaction.
Final Exhibit - Exhibit D:
Serra correctly states that these stuff are obvious, and that mala is being incredibly unnecessarily defensive.

Spoiler: Evidence!

Vote Malakittens

Okay, Baby Spice care to explain? I'm sorry my fixing of a proper English quote was too much for you to bear.

Exhibit A

Yes!
VOTE: MALAKITTENS

L-2

Perfect, this shit

is

getting old.

We are out of RSV ( at least in my opinion ) and yet the RVS votes are still being thrown around.

Unvote:

Will cast a serious vote when it's time.

Let's try and get this game to move forward rather than backwards?

Also at L-2 before three people actually posted.

Exhibit B

So do you think Shos' vote is RVS then?

No, but I believe it's an illy placed vote. I can't figure out if its from scum or town. Scum wouldn't want direct attention to them this early, but then again town wouldn't either. So it's not really indicative of alignment.

Only reason why scum would want to place a L-2 vote on Page is in hopes to get a quick lynch or information out of a player. I'm not convinced of either of this

yet.

Exhibit C

turn it into something serious

Just because I used the term AtE doesn't make my vote any less RVS than yours. No one would actually believe posting a kitten makes someone scummy, hence I'm obviously kidding, hence you're being

unnecessarily defensive.

Exhibit D.

~~~
Using all this information, myself and I can happily conclude that our last RVS vote has been quite correctly placed, not to mention that 'illy placed' statement (*spits*).

Ta ta,
~Shos.

~P.S

I find it funny that Fuzzy and Beli have the same guy in their avvie; and also, in case it wasn't clear:
VOTE: Malakittens

[shos]

hi guys!

what are we doing here

why all the malacat votes

you fuckin kiddin meh I just wrote like 2 pages

[shos]

on page 1? 2? seriously? nah. I keep my vote for the while >_>

It should be noted that when I first voted Mala it was a reaction test, since L-2 is a thing. it proved nice. let's see how Mala responds this time.

[shos]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=19101
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=19101

two games of mine with Malatown (one I was scum). in none of those was mala playing like here.
Mala is panicking and is playing hardly as her town play. I'm willing to pushi this throguh.


~~~


I totally agree with Mr Beli's post 101.

Jake seems odd and off to me. I dunno where to put my finger on it but meh.

Jennifer looks like scum here. might check meta somewhen on her.
Pirate mollie looks abd as welel.

but first things first - Mala.

[shos]

St patrick's is tomorrow night, not now >_>

you guys need to stop distracting

[shos]

Has everyone responded and commented on my case on Mala already?

[shos]

is that so.

I'll get to that in the evening.

[shos]

Is a good question @ beli.

[shos]

lol fuzzy @ my 'fluff'. I thought that was a good question, so I seconded it. nothing else needed to be said, hence, avoided fluff, not posted it~

anyway, the real comment I was making at the time was deleted.

about the whole Malakittens case: UNVOTE: . It was bullshit. It may hold some tiny waters or something, but uh, generally - I don't halfheartedly stand behind half the case. comeo n - a real case on page 2? seriously? it was a rather well made reaction test in my opinion, directed at everyone. wanna know how you've done? I'll say that after dinner.

[shos]

Also, I would like to know how comes you posted 136 on ym post, and not on post 129?

[shos]

ok

Is a good question @ beli.

Shos, what are you doing? Post 136 was absolutely unneeded fluff. Stop it.

...how comes you didn't say this about 129?

[shos]

sooo I started going after the thread to collect the needed quotes and holy shit this is going to be an enormous post. I'm starting to write- NOW.

[shos]

Alright. So gamestart, people start to wagon Mala. and what is a better game/conversation starter than a Page 1 wagon? so I joined, to see Mala's reactions when under pressure. it worked. Mala answered well but not concretely, so I managed to write a douchey made up case and added flavor-looking stuff so that it looks serious. the quote is this:

To whom it may concern,

I, Shos le Grand, hath been ableth to get me lovely hands on

CONCRETE EVIDENCE

that Ms. Malakittens is our bloody hated Murderer.

Behold.

Exhibit A:
Baby spice votes mala in post 21. obvious RVS vote, clearly nothing of importance. Mala responds with a defensive question for the matter.
Exhibit B:
I vote Mala and put her in L-2 without anything added. Mala responds with clear overreaction.
Exhibit C:
Serra asks Mala if she thinks my vote is RVS(duh) and Mala says no, and instead it is an 'illy placed vote', wondering if it is alignment telling for two lines without making a decision. Once again - all this...is an overreaction.
Final Exhibit - Exhibit D:
Serra correctly states that these stuff are obvious, and that mala is being incredibly unnecessarily defensive.

Spoiler: Evidence!

Vote Malakittens

Okay, Baby Spice care to explain? I'm sorry my fixing of a proper English quote was too much for you to bear.

Exhibit A

Yes!
VOTE: MALAKITTENS

L-2

Perfect, this shit

is

getting old.

We are out of RSV ( at least in my opinion ) and yet the RVS votes are still being thrown around.

Unvote:

Will cast a serious vote when it's time.

Let's try and get this game to move forward rather than backwards?

Also at L-2 before three people actually posted.

Exhibit B

So do you think Shos' vote is RVS then?

No, but I believe it's an illy placed vote. I can't figure out if its from scum or town. Scum wouldn't want direct attention to them this early, but then again town wouldn't either. So it's not really indicative of alignment.

Only reason why scum would want to place a L-2 vote on Page is in hopes to get a quick lynch or information out of a player. I'm not convinced of either of this

yet.

Exhibit C

turn it into something serious

Just because I used the term AtE doesn't make my vote any less RVS than yours. No one would actually believe posting a kitten makes someone scummy, hence I'm obviously kidding, hence you're being

unnecessarily defensive.

Exhibit D.

~~~
Using all this information, myself and I can happily conclude that our last RVS vote has been quite correctly placed, not to mention that 'illy placed' statement (*spits*).

Ta ta,
~Shos.

~P.S

I find it funny that Fuzzy and Beli have the same guy in their avvie; and also, in case it wasn't clear:
VOTE: Malakittens

Now, this case is basically a big pile of crap, some parts which can be looked at with different POVs and aren't telling, and tiny tiny points that may be actually true. Seeing the reactions to it, or the lack of them, was enlightning.
~~~

Gee willikers batman. A case on page 2!

This is fuzzy's reaction. stupid, useless, fluff. take notes.

There is

CONCRETE EVIDENCE

that she is scum.

This is fuzzy's next post. stupid, useless, fluff. take notes. * ///*=there's gonna be loads of that. I better start copy pasting this. nah, I'll just put an asterix and you'll know what I mean.

midway point: fuzzy has not/will not respond to the case.

p-edit I don't see Mala's reaction as scummy, but rather as trying to get people to start being serious and move the game forward.

Agreed. This is sorta what I was thinking for realz. +good poinst for Jen

Oh god, not Mollie again.

*useless, fluff

FYI- that "Oh god, not Mollie again." was because of post 53. Not because you're in this game.

*useless, fluff

Plus, that makes it look as if I posted it...which is awkward and makes me feel violated. :S

*useless, fluff - look at the next post to see how better to respond to the mod, fuzzy

@mod: conventional VC's make VCA much easier by being able to ISO you

Hey Jen, I feel sad you don't want to be my friend. With all the juicy stuff going on (kinda), why is my RVS vote the thing you decide to hone in on? Did you actually take it serious while reading? Why's Mala town?

Shos' case is cool, I'd like to see people comment on it.

Mollie, thoughts on Shos and his case?

Serra is agreeing with my case in general, but only pushes the one point which is actually true in the case. I not only like that, but love that. perfect response; it fishes the good part in the case, pushes it, asks good questions and looks forward to comments. superduper bonus good points to Serra

@Shos:

[[[a good response to the case]]]

[[[a chunk of questions that are fitting]]]

^^^ a good response from Mala, which makes me think Mala's town. One of the questions is asking Fuzzy for his opinion on the case, btw.

Yeah, Jake's pretty much pulling shit out of thin air now. I'm not liking that too much.

VOTE: Jake

1st comment: wrong, Jake's stuff were ok
2nd comment: nothing to support the statement, nothing to defend against, so even if it was true... -_-;
3rd comment: still no response, nothing that promotes the game.

in other words: *useless,

fluff

seems like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting. you still taking notes, yeah?

lack of defense doesn't do much for you either, bud.

*useless, fluff

Defense against what?...

The correct response to the fluff above

Defense against what I said. He could have at least said "i'm not pulling anything out of thin air," but chose to just completely avoid it.

So the defense you were looking for was naysaying? That's not particularly helpful...

Fuzzy, everything you're saying is shit. Please stop.

Serra, merry me, merry me now


if you're a guy, then pretend I'm gay.
~~
point being: holy shit fuzzy, you s

u

c

k

um. sooo scum

Of everyone here, I've played with Mala and Serra before. Mala was scum in the game that just finished. So I was having fun. Also Mala already had enough votes on her to get a pressure reaction, more weren't needed at the time so I took a different route.

Also, in all seriousness I don't find Mala's responses scummy. It's po-town to ask why the votes are there, pro-town to solicit opinions, an natural to not want to be lynched.

This weekend is short in time for me, but when I can will write more and analyze current game state.

A good post. a good response to the case, althought I believe Jen already responded, so that makes two sorta identical responses, two more than fuzzy

OK, caught up, sorry for the delay.

shos, while I get your case against Malakittens, I don't agree that it's entirely suspect to react to a wagon piling up. And I disagree that her response to your vote in particular was overreaction. At that point you were pretty deliberately bandwagoning, and while the wagon may have come from RVS, choosing to join it was not purely random. I don't see Malakittens as scum for her reaction to events thus far.

Jake from State Farm's post here reads as confirmation bias. Belisarius makes good points, especially about the fact that if Jake from State Farm found Malakittens doing something she's never done before as either alignment, it's null rather than indicative of anything.

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

pirate mollie, you say you find fuzzybutternut suspect for his question to Malakittens, and you think that Malakittens being panicky is a sign of her being scum in some instances. Do you think either of them being scum excludes the other?

a wonderful post as well. I don't know who this guy is (post moar) but this is, by itself, ten times as much content as all fuzzy's posts together. that is, without even counting the fact that I simply agree with everything he wrote here~

Shos, what are you doing? Post 136 was absolutely unneeded fluff. Stop it.

*useless, fluff

Had he said that, I probably wouldn't have said anything about it, but it looked more like "Yeah, I want to seem like I'm doing something too!"

*useless, fluff
^^^actually this last quote, that's funny - apply it to yourself plox. the entire game you posted SO MUCH OMG you're the top poster with 20% of the game dammit. and in all those posts - you posted nothing.

~~~

I'm sorry for going off the chronological order, but uh, it seems the quotes have gone mad or something:

Has everyone responded and commented on my case on Mala already?

I believe so, Shos. Not really sure, honestly.

Has everyone responded and commented on my case on Mala already?

Well I haven't, but I think you're spot on.

I wanted to talk about this and it slipped. so I asked this question, and fuzzy answers YES despite he himself hasn't answered.

Baby thinks that I'm spot on, which is very peculiar imo (hence my response to her later "is that so...") so I'm going to keep my eye on her probably.

but in case you didn't get it, this whole post is aiming precisely at one person.

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

all aboardddd the bandwagon~~~

[shos]

This.is no longer a reaction test fuzzy, its time for you to speak up or be taken down

Ninjad

[shos]

Any links to his games? Havent seen his meta.

[shos]

I don't recall reading a real case by Jake on mala. at best, if memory serves right, he stated the vague and not-telling thought about mala's general play. if I'm wrong link me and I'll get it in the morning or tomorrow evening.

[shos]

I do not get it. Is anyone at all reading the thread? At all?

Anyone not voting fuzzy shoukd say why.
@serra:

I checked his town play. This is far from it.

[shos]

I looked at stuff, didnt feel like commenting. More activity please, ill post mu thoughts after sleep

[shos]

So it happens that i have some time before my comp starts now, so i may as well post my.intentions.

Mala's case is bullshit. Come on huys, serioudly? A case on page 2?
At bestttt i would stand by half of what i wrote, and that too - halfheartedly. This was more of an all out reaction test for everyone. So who passed.?


^^^ is a draft I found lol. making a longpost NOW.

[shos]

Can't link to ongoing games, but fuzzy does get himself wagoned quite frequently. He's definitely played similar games as town. The case against Jake, and how quickly he gave it up again, concerns me a bit, but the fluff is par for the course.
*snip*
I'm particularly surprised by mollie's 177.

I don't like Jen's posts (particularly, the lack of consistency between the two):

Hi, Mala! I'm glad you said you're not scum this time. We can finally be friends!

Unfortunately, Serra. You and I might not be.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Serra

I think bandwagoning can definitely be town, but I agree with Jake that the manner you did it is suspect.

Okay, St. Patty's weekend is over, and I'm back!

VOTE: Baby Spice
@Baby Do you really think that movie quotes page 1 are a scum tell? Also I really don't like your unvote on Mala after Shos explained his case. If you think Mala is scummy, why would you unvote?


P.S. @Mala/Serra - I've already explained my post, and I don't know if Mala is town. I went with kittypost Malatown because I didn't think Mala needed more votes for the reaction test at that point. Why vote Serra? Mala wagon had to be focused on because that was the main thing going on; Sera's name drew my attention because I know him. What I'm not liking from Mala is the double standard. You make initial posts that you later disavow/say weren't serious, yet are taking someone to task on theirs? Tsk.

179 is some serious backpedaling of her read on Mala after people called her out on that. I highly doubt she didn't vote Mala because she recognized a reaction test, and even then that's no reason to call Mala town. She claims her reason for voting me was so the focus would remain on the Mala wagon, but she gave a non-RVS reason for voting me, by agreeing with Jake, whose attack on me was genuine. Jen usually makes more sense that - I think she wanted to join an early wagon against me with 54, and then changed her mind when people called her out for that post.

UNVOTE: Mala
VOTE: Jennifer

So uh. first sentence: no. I went through some of his games, and he can be particularly useful. this fluff is something I have NOT seen in these town games. either way, 'he is dumb' is not an excuse to never lynch a deadbeat player.

second line - I was surprised as well; Molly, why did you mention my case on Mala only now and after my longpost 155?

I disagree about Jen. this is hardly backpedaling; it's not like she had any concrete stance on something and then backpedaled. this was also only page 3, I really don't take that poststart as serious.

Anyone not voting fuzzy shoukd say why.

I considered voting him, but Serra's comment that he tends to get lynched Day 1 gave me pause because his ISO wasn't just fluff, so I wanted to see how his meta compares. After having looked over the games where he's flipped, I'm not seeing anything in this game that seems to point to one alignment yet.

@Shos What do you think about Baby Spice unvoting Mala after you stated that your case was a reaction test?

fuzzy himself said he doesn't get lynched D1 except once; and even if, that still doesn't matter. reminding of pmyst. so nobody wanted to lynch him cuz he's just dumb, so I got him to lylo and made him vote town and won as scum. stupid=/=town and stupid=/=shouldn't be lynched.

about Spice - we'll see. I don't think it's quite a tell by itself, will have to look into it in person. gimme a minute I'll do that

Personally, I found Mala and Bella's page one quote fest to be slightly scummy. Mala more so.
But yeah

Unvote

I've already stated that Jake was annoying, so basically everything he says is fluff to me.

But this.

Excuse to ignore a buddy?

Sooo when Spice voted it was without reason, but she later said she thought I was right, and then unvoted without changing her mind. there are signs of scumhunting in that post but it's worth the question:

Spice: why did you unvote in that post?

Also, @Serra What do YOU think about Baby unvoting Mala after Shos announces his case was BS, and why do you think my early comments/voting are more worthy of a vote than Baby backpedalling on Mala after Shos' announcement? And why haven't you called out Baby for backpedalling when you presumably see that as a scumtell?

Good

Backpedalling is correct as well, I think.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't like the idea of you "letting Mala be town." If you didn't want to further her wagon, there would have been no harm in simply ignoring it and voting me. The phrasing of 54 sounded too certain of her towniness.

Baby's vote was only RVS to begin with, so I don't find her unvote particularly incriminating. I do see backpedaling as a scumtell, but I find it more prominent in you than her. Your early comments alone aren't what makes you vote-worthy - it's those posts in contrast with your more recent ones.

lol @ 54, serra, you're disappointing. about spice - she stated one post before the unvote that she thought I was spot on. how comes Jen is more prominent with it?

Can't link to ongoing games, but fuzzy does get himself wagoned quite frequently.

from what I can tell he has 3 completed games. All 3 were town. The first 2 games there is an obvious difference in play than he is playing here. The 3rd game is nothing like his first 2 but it's not really similar to his play this game either. Since we can't use ongoing games per-se, I did notice the game you are referring to and I don't think his play that game is similar to his play this game.

precise.
no reason not to vote fuzzy imo.

Serra, gimme my ring back, or give it straight to jake. I'm gay again, right? :\

Baby's vote was only RVS to begin with, so I don't find her unvote particularly incriminating. I do see backpedaling as a scumtell, but I find it more prominent in you than her. Your early comments alone aren't what makes you vote-worthy - it's those posts in contrast with your more recent ones.

While her initial vote may have been RVS, she did state that Mala was somewhat scummy. Do you agree that Baby said that? And, if so, then shouldn't it bother you that she unvoted someone she found somewhat scummy based on the GOTCHA! post from Shos?

Especially as she didn't vote anyone else?

It bothers me that she unvoted someone she finds somewhat scummy without good reason. If the case convinced her, it should still convince her even if Shos says he didn't mean it. She should be pointing out that Shos was actually on to something and expand on that point, not unvote.

perfected.

Huh, I sort of figured she just wasn't completely on the ball, but you might actually have a point. Baby did say Mala is somewhat scummy, and the timing of her unvote is suspicious, even though I wouldn't say I'm sure that she unvoted because of Shos' post.

That doesn't necessarily exculpate you, but it's certainly something to think about.

well I see this has already been figured out. but still none of you asked the question I bolded above -_-;

Can't link to ongoing games, but fuzzy does get himself wagoned quite frequently.

from what I can tell he has 3 completed games. All 3 were town. The first 2 games there is an obvious difference in play than he is playing here. The 3rd game is nothing like his first 2 but it's not really similar to his play this game either. Since we can't use ongoing games per-se, I did notice the game you are referring to and I don't think his play that game is similar to his play this game.

Try again, friend. I have more than that. I have 5 completed games, all of which are town. My play differs depending on what role I have. For instance, if I'm a role cop in one game, my play would differ from if I was a goon.

I can link you to all five of my completed games, if you'd like, but you're going to find differences in my play in most of them.

so now wat? you're a jester? what role could possiblt make you say nothing gamerelated and/or useful?? /rolefishing

step it up. play like your first two games. I'll help you.
tell me:
1. your reads on everyone
2. WHY

this should do.

post 193 is a very good one. (removed quote cuz it's huge and confusing, go read)

liking serra even more

why?

The thing with Fuzzy is that we get such a mixture. Some scummy, some pure town VI.
*snip*
I'm wondering if we should be gaming the system a little by claiming what rooms we were in and what room we are in. I don't know where anyone else is so I don't know if I would know who is in the room with me or if I would know who is in an adjaceng room. If oghers have this sort of info then hell yeah we share. Otherwise I don't know.

All actions are resolved prior to moving to another room.

^^^this. so if we do that, we give scum information about where to try and shoot.

on the other hand, we can know who was where, and so we can get a pool of suspects.

thoughts? this is a very good discussion to have.

btw, quote me the posts from fuzzy that are 'pure town VI' please. do it. come on.

Well; only problem is about claiming rooms. Is that scum need to get an item to night kill. If (town) tells what room they are in and if they drop an item it's more beneficial to scum. At this point I rather not claim where we are until after the scum do their first kill.

another option I think about:
what if we all shared the items we used? I mean, each one knows only what the item they had does, and so, in the future when we know who used what (but not where) we might be able to put together what happened - each one gets the info of the item he has and what it does, so he sees who had it previously and what possibly happened...and it can't help scum in any way, I believe...or can it? :/ the setup is confusingly fun..

Tbh, I didn't even realize I had kept my vote on Mala for so long. I had forgotten I even had an RVS vote.

who cares? input please?

and if I did care - forgetting that you ever voted - it is just not possible. I get it if you forgot who your last vote was, but forgetting that you had a vote at all? I call bullshit again~

I get the impression that Serra is trying to blanket the entire game as a mild cum read

blanket the game with mild cum. did I just read that. *goes to take a shower* lol
eh, Serra has stanced at least three concrete town reads iirc, so I don't get where you're coming from. explain?

I get the impression that Serra is trying to blanket the entire game as a mild cum read

gross...

more wonderful input!!! *claps* /sarcasm

Well; only problem is about claiming rooms. Is that scum need to get an item to night kill. If (town) tells what room they are in and if they drop an item it's more beneficial to scum. At this point I rather not claim where we are until after the scum do their first kill.

actually, knowing what rooms everyone is in can help narrow down the killers.

I don't think day 1 is the time to do it, but at some point we claiming rooms is a good idea

why? if anytime, it should be D1, I think. it would help narrow the pool imensely, and well, it kinda burns scum's bridges.

Something like retroactively claiming yesterday's room and action every morning might be a good idea.

what strategy is behind that?

<3

wonderful content again

eh I'll continue somewhen soon.

[shos]

Jen reads genuinely town imo.

about the items and rooms - I'll keep it in mind and think about it for a while and give you an answer.
about baby: she needs to answer my question in the longpost.

I also have another idea:
how bout we all strategically move? for example: two players barricade in the gazebo and fountain, and we make sure nobody gets to the conservatory, so that theoretically, they're safe. if one dies, vig the conservatory tomorrow. or something./ you get the point.

I'll keep thinking~

[shos]

Items:

• At the beginning of the game all items are randomly distributed throughout the mansion.
  
• As players enter rooms they will pick up the item that is in the room if they currently are not holding an item.
  
• If several players enter a room with an item at the same time, the item will go to just one player selected randomly.
  
• There will only be at most one (1) item per room.
  
• Each item has a unique use that can be used on any player in an adjacent room and current room
  unless otherwise specified.
  
  
• When using an item you can
  target a player
  or a room. If the targeted player is outside the range of the item, then the action will fail. If the targeted room has several players, the targeted player is selected randomly.
  
• Each night the player can choose to
  use
  ,
  hold
  or
  drop
  the item.
  
• The player cannot hold more than one item at a time.
  
• The player cannot hold an item for more than two(2) days. On the second night in possession of the item, the player must use or drop the item.
  
• Once an item is dropped or used they will appear
  on a random room
  .
  
• The players use the items before dying.
  
• When the player dies the item is automatically dropped.
  
• Items that are not picked up will remain in their respective rooms over the course of the night.
  
• These are the following items:
  
  • Candlestick
    
  • Dagger
    
  • Lead Pipe
    
  • Revolver
    
  • Rope
    
  • Wrench
    
  • Poison
    
  • Horseshoe

Rooms:

Click for larger image.

• Every night a player must choose a room to move too.
  
• A player can only move to an adjacent room.
  
• A player cannot remain in a room
  . Failure to submit a movement, will randomly select the next room for the player.
  
• All actions are resolved prior to moving to another room.
  
  
• The Rooms and Adjacency:

Room	Adjacent Rooms
Kitchen	Dining Room, Trophy Room, ♟Library
Dinning Room	Kitchen, Drawing Room
Drawing Room	Dining Room, Courtyard, ♟Conservatory
Courtyard	Drawing Room, Gazebo, Fountain, Library, ♟Carriage Room
Gazebo	Courtyard
Fountain	Courtyard
Library	Courtyard, Billiard Room, ♟Kitchen
Billiard Room	Library, Studio
Studio	Billiard Room, Conservatory
Conservatory	Studio, Trophy Room, ♟Drawing Room
Trophy Room	Conservatory, Carriage House, Kitchen
Carriage house	Trophy Room, ♟Courtyard
Cloak Room	This room is off limits.

♟Secret Passages

Mafia:

• Mafia are required to find
  an Item
  in order to perform a kill.
  
• Mafia can only make one kill per night.
  
• Mafia are forced to kill every other night. If they choose to not kill or cannot kill during a night, the next night in which they can kill, they are forced to make the kill, as long as they have an item.
  
• The kill will use the item as a weapon and can only be used in adjacent rooms and current room.
  
• Mafia can opt to use the item as intended, instead of making the kill
  
• Mafia may or may not have other rules and privileges not expressed here.

[shos]

meanwhile, voat fuzzy if you havent

[shos]

I wasn't.

fuzzy, ISO yourself.

you have done nothing pro town the entire game. and you're the top poster.

[shos]

What have you done again, Shos?

are you fucking kidding me??

this guy does not read the game, come on guys. we don't want him here anyway. at this point even as town I'd poison him.

When using an item you can target a player or a room. If the targeted player is outside the range of the item, then the action will fail. If the targeted room has several players, the targeted player is selected randomly.

^This, plus Jake's answer from the Mod make me wonder whether we will be able to tell who is in the room with us at night or if we just have to guess. If no one can see who is in the room with us, it's possible mafia might not be able to nightkill a specific target with certainty, but I think overall we're still better off disclosing. It's possible scum have powers we don't that might let them know where people are (which would mean only town is hurt by lack of info) and because if we all agree to say where we are, then it's meaningful if we catch someone in a lie (presumably by using an item on them and having it fail). I also think regardless we should report item/actions though. The more information we can get, the better I think.

I still don't think claiming rooms are beneficial. If mafia know players haven't been in a certain room yet they will head there in chance there's an item.

Well, if one person has an item that does a good thing for example N0 info might help in targetting. the same way, after a kill, a roleblocker for example can have better odds at aiming at scum.

then again, scum would probably change the killing person every night.
but we have lots of items, so at least one must also give us the identity of the target. for example if there's a watcher item, it has to tell us names that might confirm locations and/or people; same with tracker, voyeur, etc. the question is if we have those.

I believe we do, since well, how many non-identifying abilities could there be?
rolestop, roleblock, poison, vig, doc,...we have TEN items..

@Baby

Why are you ignoring the case on you and not explained your unvote as asked? Please answer:

Sooo when Spice voted it was without reason, but she later said she thought I was right, and then unvoted without changing her mind. there are signs of scumhunting in that post but it's worth the question: Spice: why did you unvote in that post?

True dat, I forgot to ask you directly in your last post.

BABY SPICE

read up (lol)

[shos]

there's also another point against claiming our current room: actions happen before movement, so the scum will be able to actually attempt to target a person and not a room. be noted- they CAN do that (read the rules!) so the game must've been intended so that eventually they will be able to do that. it could also be that nearing endgame, when there's only few townies left, it'll help scum tho.

As I said, I think we should only claim our N0 room. in day X, we claim where we were before moving in night X-1. that way scum can't keep track.

about baby: withdrawn. back to fuzzy.

[shos]

penguin I disagree. claiming items is of no use for now. when we massclaim, scum will be forced into claiming that they used an item that scum actually had...

[shos]

Lol guille

We should, btw, not let this distract us from lynching scumfuzzy..

I still think claim n0 pos alone.

[shos]

WHY ITEM USE SERRA DAMMIT

[shos]

clearly everyone will claim to have used the item for its intended purpose. I'm assuming fabricating results should not be hard.

pedit: Beli is right.

[shos]

still thinking no item claim.

only room in D0.

and vote fuzzy already

[shos]

guys, breaking the game would be impossible. remember, scum can literally just say the truth. the only way in which this can help us is by looking at who dies where and when and it helps us with the pool.

regardless, let's get this over with and keep scumhunting. I'll start popcorn if nobody else does in...2 hours.

@penguin: why not baby over fuzzy? because fuzzy is scummy and useless, and baby is neither. the only point anyone has against baby is the fact that she unvoted after I called bullshit on my own case, and she explained that unvote in a good way imo. take a look at fuzzy's ISO. go on. there's nothing useful. not a titbit. there have been two long well written cases in this game and he has commented on none, including the one on himself. all and any accusations are not reasoned, and he never follows up on anything; his participation in the game is just about as useful as my dog's, and my dog (the smartest one) doesn't know he should be playing pro town.

give me a reason not to vote fuzzy. the best thing anyone came up with is practically 'he is ALWAYS that bad, so his scummy deeds aren't alignment telling'. to that I say A) I don't care, I don't want a townie like that and B) that is just wrong, I went through his games myself and he proved himself well enough there. if you want links I shall provide.

~~~

@MOD:
I may or may not be accessible in the next two days. I'm going on a field trip with friends, and the best I can come up with is phoneposting, if I find the time and will, and even that might be when I'm drunk, so...I guess that could be a V/LA. I'll try to make a final post in ~12 hours, but if not, then I'm LA until Saturday night.

~Acknowledged.

pedit:
what about it if we do?

[shos]

well I guess it depends on the item.

Fuzzy, you should probably comment on the I dunno GAME. are you serious? we can start with my original Mala case, lol. what do you think about it? correct? bullshit? partly? etc


DAMN YOU MOD I WANTED THAT POST

~You can't beat my fast fingers.

[shos]

I never said you needed to post more, the opposite, I said you need to post LESS. you're the top poster, and despite that, your posts contain no content whatsoever. you haven't given reads, thoughts, anything. you're playing a far, far away game from your town game. do you realize that at the time, I had some not-bullshit-looking stuff in my case against mala, and your only response was saying OMG A CASE and quoting 'concrete evidence'? and you said this

Has everyone responded and commented on my case on Mala already?

I believe so, Shos. Not really sure, honestly.

yourself. you're just going with the flow, none of your posts have any town motivation behind them. should I mark out more?

[shos]

that does not make it any more legitimate, you know. if you suck in one place, it's not better to suck at the next one. consistency at its worst, lol. see: pmyst

@fuzzy: sarcasm is a great (and funny) tool when used right, but you realy need to put in more than that. firstly, it should be obvious that you're laughing at the CASE and not at the way I presented it; secondly, if you think it's bullshit, say why. this isn't new to you, I've seen your posts in other games. stop making excuses. if you're town, share your fucking reads and explain them.

[shos]

This is no orders man. if you're town, this is a plea for cooperation. I haven' read each post in your meta you know, I just saw the kind of posts you were posting. fucking cooperate man.

also, this ^^^

[shos]

that's a good start considering my V/LA

meanwhile, Jen needs to step up as well, and someone should be explaining to me why baby has such a large wagon

[shos]

well your name jumped to my eye, mainly :\

but baby did answer my question iirc. anyway, I'm going to sleep.


as promised:
in D0, aka before I moved in N0, I was in the conservatory.

next up: mollie, you're the next in the popcorn.

[shos]

So I was gone for two days (

Mod: back from V/LA

) and all you've posted was like 12 posts?

also, fuzzy and penguin and baby, what part of ONLY PLACE YOUVE BEEN IN D0 did you not understand? why the hell did you claim your position now?? why claim info about your item??? wtf?

[shos]

I'm fine with a hammer, actually.

[shos]

Shouldnt have hammered now imo.
Baby, conf as in conf or just you think?

[shos]

what's your color? are you scum? any extra last second stuff you can/wanna say? (if rules allow)

[shos]

Twilight is defined as the moment in which the hammer vote is cast until the game is stopped. During this time, you are allowed to continue talking, but any votes or unvotes cast during this time will not count towards the vote counts.


you can say all you want, do that

[shos]

how comes?

[shos]

There are plenty of town reactions to being hammered. for me for example it always depends on the mood I'm in.

As town, analysing a hammer post and, more specifically, a timing for the hammer post, it useful. by the timing this one showed up, I definitely wanted to get another look at Mollie. Baby must've thought so as well and decided mollie's town. how on earth would that post help scum, if baby flips scum, and town knows to take everything she said with caution?

If the flip's town, I'm going to look at Serra in depth at Monday.

fuzzy, you better have a good post written to be posted coming D2.

[shos]

Alright. How bout we claim who had an.item tonight?

[shos]

alright. In my opinion we should claim where we were D1 and what items we used LAST NIGHT and on what room.

if scum attempted kill, that means nobody was in the room they targetted, OR they targetted a person out of range. either way - they did NOT use an item. if we know who did what, then when eventually we know what each item does, the scum who attempted kill will have to fake result/use.

@Mollie: there have been a discussion between those posts. unlike you (look at quote) I'm willing to consider changing my mind on a L-1 person.

stating intent to hammer

I am giving it until later tonight or tomorrow morning before I do, I want to give everybody a chance to post final thoughts.

^^^ is not giving a chance. "will hammer" not "willing to hammer" post.

I'll be looking at {fuzzy, mollie, serra}. so far the last two are not scumreads.

[shos]

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory
mollie	Fountain	kitchen
Mala	Library
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room
Baby	Trophy Room
Beli	Studio
Jake	Gazebo
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard
Penguin	Dining Room
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room

Cookie, please

Also, should we find out if people in the same room cen see one another? There should have been two people starting in the Conservatory last night.

How did/do you know that?

Doubt scum would hammer like that tbh, it draws unnecessary attention

dunno, must check.

~~~
do we have any idea how many scums we're dealing with?

[shos]

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location
shos	Conservatory	Drawing Room
mollie	Fountain	kitchen
Mala	Library
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room
Baby	Trophy Room
Beli	Studio
Jake	Gazebo
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard
Penguin	Dining Room
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room

erm, updated self.

[shos]

pirate mollie, how did you get from the Fountain to the Kitchen?

This.

So what
Room didnt have any people? If theres only one then someone nearing it is scum posdibly


Also what do you guys thibk about claiming IF you.had an.item last night?

[shos]

I asked did you HAVE not did you USE an item.

[shos]

Why would rope be busdriver?

Anyway, anyone against item use claim? Only what item, where and when, not whst it does.


At jake: nope

[shos]

It really.doesnte to me.

[shos]

VOTE: pirate_mollie

I went through her ISOs. there's plenty of stuff to be wary about there, and nothing that givestown vibes. In addition to the 'mistake' with the kitchen, there are vague uselessness(sort of like fuzzy but more...hidden), AtE(for example, 430), fencesitting(stuff like 385 - not stating opinion and yet asking for others' opinion. also happened with my Mala case). there's also that wierd 'reaction test' with the both-fos-and-vote on the same person, in which there's post 114, which combined with this game's vote by mollie, really doesn't fit.

reading this ISO made me clear with mytownread on Beli, and made me look better at Serra.
Ialso found something that sorta..supports..fuzzytown but it might be a null tell and I'm not going to publish it anyhow atm.

so yeah.

[shos]

because she made a mistake?

[shos]

well I did not read beli's ISO, I just got few parts on beli from mollie's ISO. Should I ISO beli? do you think beli is scum?

[shos]

Fuzzy, u promised me a post

[shos]

gonna lol at this omgus.
waffling back and forth? seriously?

and I did not ignore you;

@Mollie: there have been a discussion between those posts. unlike you (look at quote) I'm willing to consider changing my mind on a L-1 person.
In post 346, pirate mollie wrote:
stating intent to hammer

I am giving it until later tonight or tomorrow morning before I do, I want to give everybody a chance to post final thoughts.

^^^ is not giving a chance. "will hammer" not "willing to hammer" post.

when you have intent to hammer, it's all good and well. but instahammering in the middle of a discussion that formed with the lynchee - is not a good thing imo. the fact that you stated your will to hammer does not justify any hammer you'd do at any time, you know.

I have not pushed not one bad case and backpedalled; Mala was a clear reaction test(btw, I have a strong townread there) and I'm still standing behind the fuzzy case and the you-case. has anyone pointed 'how shitty the case is' in ANY of the cases? I believe that in mala's case it was ME who said that? after others blatantly *agreed* with it?

that last part of mudslinging is completely unnecessary. I have not ignored you, what traction are you talking about, nobody even responded, and it's funny how you vote me when you said this

my strongest town reads are mala and serra, possibly shos. if he is scum than jesus christ.

and the only thing that changed was my case on you.

now, that mistake - yeah, mistakes happen - but this? it looks SO non-genuine to me. how can one make such an error with such simple gameplay. it's not like it's so overly complicated. the mod specifically told you which rooms you can go to, and you said, KITCHEN! makes sense.

[shos]

Fuzzy, u promised me a post

Monday has passed

[shos]

Oh its beli not fuzzy dem avvie
anyway]

Shos, give me until Monday. I have prom coming up Saturday and testing shit tomorrow, which, even though I'm not the one testing, it still stresses me out.

For reference

[shos]

she wasn't claiming. she gave as much info as she was willing to give. it didn't look like much of a convo to me.

Well, let's see. the quotes of the conversation (the posts before your hammer) are in the spoiler. doesn't look like much of a convo?

[spoiler="not a conversation", clearly]

Baby Spice if you think he's scum why don't you actually vote and explain why rather then just stating something so baseless like your last post?

Because at this day and time I really don't give a shit.

I really don't.

Sreea's pushing for the room claim is scummy, because he was pushing for info sharing that wasn't shared.
If we knew that we could see other people in the room with us then we share, but we don't so we shouldn't have.

The wagon on me screams counbter wagon, and Serra's vote is the one that seems worst.

Counter means Fuzzy is scum. My playing history lately is huge with voting the wrong way in lylo, which kinda makes me one that hangs around of late. So why push me over Fuzzy? Scum Fuzzy.


Jake's last post is stupid. It looks far more like a reason to place a vote than anything actually real. I think that's scummy as hell. But, scum psych 101 pretty much says that when scum make a list of three reads, one will be scum, and low and behold we have a manipulation to put Fuzzy on that B list. (btw, that is the only time that Jake has ever called Fuzzy "Butter")

Currently we have Fuzzy voting Jake too , with the added bonus of: "I've already stated that Jake was annoying, so basically everything he says is fluff to me."

So lynch me if you want, hell lynch me to prove the towniness of my reads here.

But do something about Serra, Fuzzy, and Jake.

Vote Fuzzy

bella, baby, fuzzy doesn't have the same ring to it duh

my last post certainly wasn't stupid and it certainly was real, because it's the truth. Your play this game is nothing like monopoly. Your inability to find someone scummy until I call you out for it is also suspicious. You wait until now to vote someone and you don't even vote Serra, you vote Fuzzy? If Serra is scum you should be voting Serra.

let's hammer this girl already

No one has struck me as hugely scummy.

That being said, I have high hopes that the room discussions will result in some good clues.

Just remember one thing.
Serra is scum.

please explain how you make this transition. What did Serra do between these 2 posts that made you change your reads

What did Serra do between these 2 posts that made you change your reads

We finished the room discussion, duh.

so what about his posts re: the room discussion make him scum?

Please don't use straw man tactics. It's really annoying.

VOTE: baby spice

[/spoiler]
Now,

if you at any point did not want her lynched you should have said so. that you are trying to make a "thing" of it is called spinning and that is scummy.

Has it occured to you that I was NOT ONLINE? it's really not a thing. it is very simple. I am ok with a hammer. THINGS HAPPEN. the LYNCHEE starts speaking her mind. a conversation arises. questions are asked and answered. then BAM, hammer. what's a 'thing' here? me SPINNING??? has it occurred to you that if I wanted a hammer at that moment and was not willing to see how conversation goes, I WOULD HAMMER MYSELF?

I have not pushed not one bad case and backpedalled; Mala was a clear reaction test(btw, I have a strong townread there) and I'm still standing behind the fuzzy case and the you-case. has anyone pointed 'how shitty the case is' in ANY of the cases? I believe that in mala's case it was ME who said that? after others blatantly *agreed* with it?

I don't remember if I said something or not. I thought it was shitty. pretty sure I said mala was town and mala can defend herself pretty well.

my case was in post 48.
Well let's see, let's go over your ISO. you entirely ignored it; then you said in post 71 that Mala's post looks like "smug and deflection".

from then on you entirely ignored both cases I made. then, in post 177, you said you LIKED spicegirl, and asked her if she was going to comment on the MALA case of 128 posts ago, while you haven't done so, and AFTER I said the case is bullshit and built a whole new case on fuzzy which you ignored too. let's move on.

then there's goodpost 193. there's about two lines in that big post which are real content, but it is content. you don't say anything about my case on mala, just about mala; and you think the fuzzy case is 'not bad'.
in that post you also say that you 'will probably vote fuzzy' eventually. you never do, in case you asked, despite no change, and you did hammer spice, which you liked; so far the only suspicion you ahd against baby is the fact she unvoted.

oh and finally. post 257 says 'she wasnt'. not quite clear, but 'that is why you ahve her as town'. sooo...you never said anything about my case, and about mala's abilities or w/e. what you say you think is not good enough for this game, what you write is what matters.

reads can change when new information is provided. <----- this is obvious and you as a seasoned player ought to know that. so you trying to paint it as scummy in and itself, is scummy.

you have been downgraded to the unsure pile.

now, that mistake - yeah, mistakes happen - but this? it looks SO non-genuine to me. how can one make such an error with such simple gameplay. it's not like it's so overly complicated. the mod specifically told you which rooms you can go to, and you said, KITCHEN! makes sense.

first line - funny how you say this and ignore the fact that I said it with the hammer thing, trying to call me scum for it. Also, I did not call you scum for it; that was my response for the 'oh now he will say its omgus' -_-;;;

now, I was DOWNgraded to the UNSURE...and you were voting me before that? O_o explain?

bout that last quote - what about it?

[shos]

fuzzy, until you give me that promised post with...CONTENT, then you are, indeed, and by far, the most useless player I have seen in a looooong while.

~~~

@Jake: so You had a townread on me, and then I build a case against mollie, and you pick something that I did not say(mollie picked that) and use it as a reason to vote me? just getting it straight~

[shos]

High expectations here~

[shos]

Tell me jake, where have i said that was scummy. Quote me. Ive never said that.

[shos]

MASS PRODZ ERRYONE

[shos]

now, that mistake - yeah, mistakes happen - but this? it looks SO non-genuine to me. how can one make such an error with such simple gameplay. it's not like it's so overly complicated. the mod specifically told you which rooms you can go to, and you said, KITCHEN! makes sense.

This is what I wrote.
Where did you get that as a reason for the vote? I specified a not-so-short list of stuff for which I voted her; this is just saying that I don't believe her, that it doesn't feel genuine. This also hasn't been answered to - how can you err that way when the mod specifically tells you what rooms are available for you to move into??

~~~
Now, if you think my case on her is 'pretty much crap' you are welcome to go over it and tell me how/why.

another point would be that appeal to authority is bullshit as well. AtE is viewed differently on every occasion, and your AtA doesn't help in this occasion.
~~~
The next question is this: are you seriously going to discard everything you have in this game and lynch ME based on what you seem to think is a bad case on mollie?

Serra, you need to step up as well. this game needs much more activity; I've been gone for two fieldtrips this week and I managed to be more active than all of you -_-

[shos]

Lol at refrsctive index talk, any more physics guys around here?

Will make a phonepost in a short while

[shos]

At 485: i get what you mean now. It sldo seems otherd picked on thst as well so ill ecplain. My intention was not that this is scummy; rather, it was the thing thst drew my sttention to her as not-genuine. The other parts of that post 441 are the reasons for my vote and they are still true.

At 486: ata is when you call me scum for making a case too weak for a guy with my experience.

@serra: i was talking to jake lol. Im not fearing a lynch - im just trying to figure out jake. D1 he was super logical and good looking, and now he is all upside down.

At mollie: where have you answered that? You guys need to learn to quote.

At serra: it is possible that mollie made the kill snd had *any* reason to have the town think dhes in the kitchen. So dhe lied, and did not notice it is not consistent with what she said earlier.
Look, i dont know how scum get the messages, but can all townies confirm that the mod directly tells you where you can go?

Beli why jen?
Fuzzy where is my post?

[shos]

huh?

..anyway, saying 'you are too experienced to say bla bla and this is why I vote you' is stupid.

~~~

Why does it seem like I'm the only one playing in this game? maybe Mala too, but the others - nothing. you guys need to explain what you say, not just say it.

for reference: Mollie, if you think you answered my question, tell me where, or repeat;
Jake - if you don't think the case on mollie is true - tell me why/which parts

I can't have any reads if nobody is responding. fuzzy and mollie are my top scumpicks for now.

other people need to step it up with activity.

[shos]

EBWOP: some other poeple need to step it up.

[shos]

I mean come on, beli, penguin and Jen have less posts than the MOD. if 9 are alive and 3 are inactive :/


btw, I'm guessing there are three scums this game? I mean 10 people with 2 underpowered scums is too weak for them..

[shos]

@penguin:
I don't see anything wrong with approving a lynch while voting someone else. for example, I'm voting mollie now, and I approve of a fuzzy lynch as always~
my case is lousy? how bout saying why?

and for fuck's sake, since everyone just missed the point and picked the smallest not important line of the whole post in which I made the case, I WILL EXPLAIN:

As scum, you MIGHT HAVE REASONS to have other people think you're in a place where you are not. ALRIGHT? HAS ANYONE A PROBLEM WITH THIS??? NO?? GOOD
So you lie, and say that you were in the kitchen. MISTAKE IS DONE. WRONG INFO IS SPREAD INTENTIONALLY.
So people notice that you cannot go from there to there. they then point it out and ask mollie how this happensed.
MOLLIE BY NOW HAS ALREADY LIED. everyone knows that her lie is not truth. so she has to make up an excuse and here is what happens:

I was in the kitchen the night before.

Although that's apparently off because pirate mollie got from the Fountain to the Kitchen.

pirate mollie, how did you get from the Fountain to the Kitchen?

pirate mollie, how did you get from the Fountain to the Kitchen?

sorry

I originally asked to be moved to the kitchen but guille corrected me and said I was in the courtyard, I forgot about it cos I did not update it on my spreadsheet. I haven't updated my spreadsheet in a while.

Now, this is the answer. to mala it sounded genuine, to me (and fuzzy apparantly) it didn't(you can see in later quotes).

I'm just worried that someone is lying *cough* Mollie *cough*

lol, I am not lying

^^^ this 'I am not lying' was to a post posted before she corrected herself. this seems genuine to you? :/

She said she made a mistake and it reads genuine to me.

It really.doesnte to me.

Me either.

and now, to these:

Why would she lie about it?

exactly, why would she lie?

go up this post and read. she would lie because she didn't know she would get caught. carelessness is EXACTLY the word.

as town, the mod provides you with WHAT ROOMS YOU CAN GET TO. she said she's answered this but she hasn't.

This also hasn't been answered to - how can you err that way when the mod specifically tells you what rooms are available for you to move into

??

I did answer your question. you didn't like the answer.

~~~
btw I found this while making this post:

So what room didnt have any people? If theres only one then someone nearing it is scum posdibly


Also what do you guys thibk about claiming IF you.had an.item last night?

both these questions are good

pedit:
huh? mala? accusations? what?

[shos]

now, that mistake - yeah, mistakes happen - but this? it looks SO non-genuine to me. how can one make such an error with such simple gameplay. it's not like it's so overly complicated. the mod specifically told you which rooms you can go to, and you said, KITCHEN! makes sense.

This is where I asked this first time.

mollie has posted 3 times since; 1 in which she hasn't answered this (only quoted), another one to fix tags, and another one to say that she already answered.

no answer in these three.

[shos]

Once you make a mistake you have to say *something*. if you had to invent something to cover for such a mistake would you do it better?

[shos]

(btw, did you get the wifom you're shooting?)

[shos]

Kill failed, but it *was* attempted.

Jake, thats abiut as good as saying 'i disagree'. Cant do anything with it.

[shos]

Theres also this.
why would town be against

Why would rope be busdriver?

Anyway, anyone against item use claim? Only what item, where and when, not whst it does.


At jake: nope

I do

Wjat are the odds that all three magias have no item. Theres many items. Now what rope rhing?

[shos]

I seem to be the only one attempting to scumhunt.

Ive done like five full isos this game. Passover is over today, i wont have as much time ti keep the game alive alone

[shos]

@mollie:

1. did you ask the mod for a personal qt?

2. What made you motivated to go to the kitchen?

3. What did the mod tell you after n0?

[shos]

It is my business, because thr interaction i had with the mod completely erased any way to make an 'error' like you did.

[shos]

You have one attemt to post what yiu have sais that you.wrote in notepad. If you dont i will hammer.

[shos]

That was to fuzzy of course

[shos]

I'm working on it Shos. I've never used Notepad more.

For reference

[shos]

oh you gotta be kidding me. I asked you for ANYTHING about the ENTIRE GAME and you deleted it?

tell me what those moot points were. then I'll decide

[shos]

...or you stop avoiding me (for 20 pages now) and start cooperating and I might not.

[shos]

don't worry, take care of it first~

[shos]

VOTE: fuzzy
I'll be happy to get rid of him even if he were town. I have no traction on the mollie wagon anyway, and I don't get the scummy vibes from serra that jake is talking about. no reason not to vote him then.

[shos]

fuzzy, you stopped posting content around page 1, remember?
how is an activity drop after a townflip a scumtell?

[shos]

Fuzzy.

The reasons you are being voted are
1. that you're not providing any content in 25 pages;
2. you're stalling the game promising content since like ever;
3. you appear to be lying, with that scraped post;
4. in your only attempt to look like scumhunting, you point to a person some would call a lurker, don't give anything on him and send us 'to ISO him'. In my town/scum experience, if you ISO him and get reasons to vote him as town, you post them with quotes and stuff; if you're scum, you just tell people to do the ISO themselves, so you give them a bunch of stuff that the odds say they'll find something in it. you're being lazy and scummy and if you're town that's worse than useless.

so if you're town, FUCKING START WORKING. give me a full analysis of the game in the last 20 pages, ya? I don't care what you write, I wanna see how you think. till then I'm voting you.
~~
about that claim of yours. any reason that we all shouldn't claim what color we are?
also, can you remind me of that item claim of yours?
and sorry for bringing the discussion up again but, should we or should we not claim what the items do?

[shos]

Who WOULD you vote?

[shos]

The more I think about it, the more I think we should wait on item claims; I was willing to do it if Serra agreed earlier because I saw it as harmless

then

, but upon further reflection we should deny this information to the scum until it's likely they've seen what a large subset of the items do.

It can also provide a substitute for roleclaiming at L-1 -- if the person about to be lynched has had an item in the past, they can claim what they did with it. Anyone else who has or has had that item can thus prove a liar.

Do you not think scum are at least told what the items they hold can do, in addition to kill? I don't think scum would claim to have had an item they never did, so they'd know anyways.

Also, if we keep claiming rooms before items, scum can just claim to have targeted an empty room with their item to explain lack of effect.

That being said, I'm happy to wait until tomorrow to claim what the rope does.

That is very true.

VOTE COUNT 2.07

With 9 alive it's 5 votes to Lynch.

Voting for:

Shos (0):
Jennifer (1):

Belisarius

malakittens (0):
pirate mollie (0):
penguin_alien (1):

fuzzybutternut

Belisarius (0):
serrapaladin (0):

fuzzybutternut (3):

penguin_alien, pirate mollie, Shos

Jake From State Farm (0):

Not voting (4): Jennifer, malakittens, serrapaladin, Jake From State Farm

malakittens is VLA until Friday
pirate mollie is VLA until 4/11

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-17 08:30:00)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MOD!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU DID NOT GET FIRST POST ON PAGE AHAHAHAHAHAH

~I missed it by 30 minutes

[shos]

Someone also said that TWO people were in the observatory or something. who said that and how did he know?

Jen, can you reexplain why Beli seems more scum to you than fuzzy? it seems their cases are identical, and fuzzy's case is much more wide the way I see it.

[shos]

can any of you guys quote stuff or something? I really don't feel like digging ISOs again and I still don't see any reason to vote anyone other than mollie and fuzzy.

[shos]

Penguin reads town to me, despite my rising urge to daykill him for lurking.

I'm still on for a fuzzy lynch today. and I still think there's 3 scums, him, mollie, and someone else unknown.

Mala: you are my strongest town read as of now. What is your opinion on everyone?

[shos]

I'm also changing my mind on mollie, when reading up last night I got a scummy vibe.

Dat a fine thought. Have you found what I said more legitimate or is it other stuff, or is it just a general statement of scummy vibe?

[shos]

So youte scum?

@jen: obe of my latest longposts explains.

[shos]

firstly, I would like to express my disappointment to fuzzy hopefully he reads this. next time you lose interest - replace out.
~~~
N0 I used the Lead Pipe. should I say what it does?
N1 and N2 I did not find any items I was in the drawing room and the conservatory respectively.

should we claim our items *now*?

with the mod confirming the mistake with mollie, I'm kinda having trouble pointing at scum now :/

[shos]

popcorn will go to Jen.

[shos]

Yup.

I'd like to know who had the Lead Pipe after me..

[shos]

actually I do think we should claim the items we have. then the day after we claim item use; this will make it harder for the scums to make a kill, because they'll have to have one of them fake a use of an item, or lie before when talking, so it'll sorta bug them anyway.

[shos]

^^^ I'm inclined to vote Jen just for this post alone, lol. will explain soon.

@Mala: I already claimed -__-;;
about mollie: what the hell are you talking about, lol. no, I don't get what you mean. I said that the fact mollie erred that way, especially how the mod tells you where you can go, and all that talk around that made me feel that her posts were not genuine, true, etc. but the mod confirmed that indeed there have been a miscommunication in there, so no, I don't get how it can go either way.

~~~
@Jen:
as a start I'm going to have to be surprised there: no item on all three nights? sounds suspicious to me..like what scum would say to hide kill attempts.. >_>

you said that 'it appears that they can only kill if in the same room or adjacent room'. seriously? it's almost as if it is WRITTEN IN THE RULES?
in 1) you said 'how they trigger their killing mechanism works'. that is obviously not what you naturally wrote. there's either how they trigger their killing mechanism, or how their killing mehcnaism works. not both. to me it seems like a bad slip: it slips that something has to be done to trigger a kill. town would have no reason to think that we don't know how their kill works - the rules state it clearly. the rules also say "Mafia may or may not have other rules and privileges not expressed here." - which is exactly what you just slipped.

in that last sentence there's another problematic sentence: '...regular scumhunting slip by the waysideI do think..'. see, this only means one thing in my eyes. tell me what the 'side' was doing there and I'll tell you what I think from all this.

[shos]

that's not it Jen, it's just a supporting detail which you answered with wifom. even the wifom is bad - since if scum claimed an item while attempting a kill they'd have to fake results.

- I don't understand why one would ever think that scum will have a problem killing. the contrary - I was quite surprised that they did not kill N1. the difficulty on mafia's side is explaining lack of item use or keeping consistency with locations.
- No. but the change that you put there was not necessary at all, so I can't see why you'd put it, especially if you did not proof-read your post.

Jake's thoughts towards the end (after he reread) were identical to mine - both on fuzzy and mollie. specifically, he said that some of my case did make sense and he got a scummy vibe from her. don't make stuff up.

[shos]

Ah, I thought he was talking about the location/item claims.

scum to town:

Jen
Mollie
Penguin
Beli
serra
Mala

will respond to Jen in a sec lol

[shos]

What response is there to a WIFOM accusation that I must be scum because I didn't have an item until last night? I have no way to prove that I didn't have an item so any response is WIFOM which makes the accusation itself WIFOM.

What a twister of words you are. I said this: "no item on all three nights? sounds suspicious to me..like what scum would say to hide kill attempts.. >_>". what you said is "If I was scum wanting to hide I'd likely claim having an item the night no one died." this is the wifom, not my words. I said that the way I see it, the chance of not obtaining an item for three consecutive nights is veeeeery small. for the first night alone it is less than 50%. having no item in three nights is perfect coverup for scum, so this supports my scumread on you. that's it, no response needed.

Also, unless you can point out what is scummy about the language changes I made, that's just more bad arguments from you. You state that editing language by itself is not scummy, but then you say the changes I made were unnecessary (to you). So are you saying that unnecessary changes to language are scummy? Tell me, which description of killing mechanism is scummy and why?

twisting again. read my words carefully. TOWN have no reason at all to think what you said about the killing mechanism. it says 'may or may not'; so what should need to happen is that scum have extra rules, that of all possibilities are regarding their killing mechanism. now, you used the word TRIGGER. tell me, and this can go to everyone - have any one of you EVER connected a nightkill with 'triggering'? didn't think so. you just slipped, it happens. if you are town - tell me then - which of the two did you write first? the one with the trigger or with the works? and why on earth would you write trigger?

next: have you seriously brought up posts from 250 posts ago.? this should work for you:

@ penguin, my mind must have transposed names. I like your responses to my question.

I'm also changing my mind on mollie, when reading up last night I got a scummy vibe.

I'm also changing my mind on mollie, when reading up last night I got a scummy vibe.

Dat a fine thought. Have you found what I said more legitimate or is it other stuff, or is it just a general statement of scummy vibe?

some of what you said makes sense, plus if I am thinking about the fact that mafia would want to lie about their location, that slip really could have been a slip. Her play is much different imo to the game we just played together

so basically it's a collection of things.

I still want to lynch Fuzzy, he reminds me of another player that I essentially let slide all game and he turned out to be scum and I gave him the win. Useless players good or bad need to put up or gtfo

if you actually read and not just thrown things out of context, you'd know that Jake voted me because of the 'bad case'. now that he agreed with it, and 100% fit my scumreads at the time of mollie & fuzzy, I dunno what's in there against me.

[shos]

well I call BS for the 'I have no idea'.
and give me just one thing solo in the game that fits 'to do X you are required to do Y'. there's not a single thing in the game that fits, unless you count stuff like 'to vote shos you need to bold vote:shos'.

bout the last part - are you really that dense? the scum are not ABLE to choose who they kill mostly. assuming they don't know where you are (which they don't) the only case they can is by guessing correctly. NKA is completely useless here. at least in the way you're looking at it. room analysis is different.

wtf are you talking about in the last line. you're going waaaay out of your way to have a small reason to think that someone else(who is dead) might have thought something? -__-'

and I'll popcorn to you of course.

btw VOTE: Jen

[shos]

I'll go end to start:

the scumteam target a room, aye? then if there are people in the room, it is RANDOMIZED who dies, aye? get it? yes?

"you have to use an item to trigger its ability"? oh really? well wow!
Dear Cpt. Obvious,
Thank you very much! I did not know that, I thought that I had all the powers of all the items without having the items!
~~Shos

-________-;;

what you're trying to say is, that town does not know what triggers the kill; and according to your example, the answer to this question is 'you must use the nightkill to trigger the kill'. SERIOUSLY???

[shos]

uh you guys, I'm backing into the army tomorrow so my input might decrease, dunno how much phonetime I'll have each day.

[shos]

Come on guys..why is nobody talking/voting jen...

[shos]

'Trigger a nightkill'. This sounds legit to you?

[shos]

Yes. I was hoping that scum would think that im heading somewhere specific, and so when i get back they would fail in trying to kill me.

Its all in my qt ^_^

Mala, you are town.because your play this game is tow and fits towb meta of you, and also you.resppnded well to my reactiintestcase on you, and others went with it ti promote your lynch so yiu.musy be town and they scum.

[shos]

Let's see if I have time to go over Jen's ISO and give you more reasons to vote her soon.

[shos]

@751: that is not conf bias you know. going over a player's ISO to see if there's anything scummy there is precisely the way to play mafia imo, especially if you already suspect that guy is mafia for any reason.

@752: there's a difference between not USING and not HAVING. I've already said that with fuzzy. and if you really read the game you'd know that the fact about the items is not the reason I'm voting you, FFS, stop throwing dirt.

@754: look at her posts until my attack on her and after it. doesn't sound the same at all.

#756: hmm, that's true. but well she hasn't been quickhammered and everyone knows I'm in the army so I'd expect at least an attempt. nobody would even get flak from me for voting her without any reason, and nobody did...so I guess it's either a 2-man scumteam or I'm right and she's scum. could also be both of course.

serra = that's 3 of 10. and the more I think about it, 2 does seem more likely than 3. but I dunno. I don't think it matters in how I play at this moment.

[shos]

lol if mala is scum we're screwed. so why do people think I'm scum? I'd love to know during the time I have a computer.

[shos]

This game's pace died along with Jake. Penguin hasn't posted in 2 days, Jen is posting useless stuff (wrong=/=scum; tho I'm not wrong) Serra and mollie...dunno what's going on with you..

so anyway, should we start claiming items?

[shos]

hmm. what do you mean 'it ensnared two townies'?
In general, Mala posted a considerable amount of posts, so I picked a word from here and there, designed it lengthily and called it a case despite it being completely bulls. the goal was to see who follows blindly and takes the wrong bait and who questions me and calls the bluff, or better than that, who raises.

I don't remember if I claimed at all about my items so - I got two items: a the start I had a Lead Pipe- which is a roleblocker; I roleblocked fuzzy in that night - he said so somewhere in his posts. at the moment I have an item but I kinda prefer not to say which one, it may keep me alive..

[shos]

In short: jen and mollie/beli are scun

[shos]

Beli, I think Jen is scum, and that the other scum is one of mollie,

you

penguin. (I wrote you earlier by PoE, and if it's between you or him, it's him).

so scum to town

Jen
mollie/penguin
Beli
serra
Mala

~~

You see, most people see themselves as the hero of their own storybook--not me, I'm the tin dog. As long as Shos is right, I'm content to be the sidekick. I'm picking Shos as the Sherlock to my Watson, with the scum as Moriarty...dost thou truly think me wrong? If so, vote me. If not, KILL JENNIFER

I am touched, realy, that was precious! and I even think it's coming from town, that's a horrible tactic for scum in all occasions, especially if there isn't concensus on a lynchee. but jen first, let's think about the others later.

Jake was stabbed

^^^okay. I want each and every one to say which item they held YESTERDAY AND BEFORE and if they used them and on who/what/etc and what it did. we gotta use this come on. what benefit can scum have that they don't already know from item claiming? 1-2 items they haven't picked yet? we should reveal everything now I think. whoever has the dagger NOW should also claim.

Do you agree?

[shos]

Why would Mala's flip convict shos?

about this - the thingummywut I did to mala would be really wierd if we were both scum, I think. if Mala is scum, he's both A)good and B)lucky.

[shos]

I have no idea what the dagger does. if people truly, truly believe that what they did should be kept secret, ok, just tell us. but other than that - a kill was amde and we need to see who had an item and didn't use it.

[shos]

once again you picked the single thing that I did not use as a reason ._.; I did not get through your ISO yet because I don't have the time. your OMGUS vote really doesn't help lol; you run around saying that I have no case against you, and then vote m efor voting you?...mkay. I might have the time tomorrow.

[shos]

are you kidding me???

stop being stupid. if you are town then step up and search for scum. I have no time for you atm.

[shos]

wtf. are you guys serious? what's going on?

[shos]

I'm confused.

Is that a real daykill? is that the dagger? why dayvig serra anyway?

[shos]

I'm in suspense ><
I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE DAGGER DOES.

can someone get the list of locations/item carry/use and update them and stuff?

[shos]

Ill tell yiu whats up, i thought the dagger is dayvig maybe, and we might be in lylo so thats a tad dangerius. If were not then it gets us to mylo. That is quite disappointing qssuming you and mala arevtown...

[shos]

Kay uh.

To me, mala, mollie and serra are 90% cinftown in light of new evidence. I have the wrench now so im safe tonight

By poe, beli and jen it is. Im actually more sure of beli according to latesy posting and reActions, ive kinda played it over with my reasoning for jen etc..

So in short VOTE: beli

Happy scumday mod!!!

[shos]

Oh crap i forgot. Damn yiu penglurkee

[shos]

Penguin link me to a town game of yours pleaae

[shos]

*sigh*
Penguin always rubs me off the wrong way.

[shos]

Not a crumb lol, i was just really pissed at fuzzy. Kinda still am..

O gtg, ill conment on the tables soon

[shos]

In n0 i used a lead pipe which roleblocked fuzzy.

Beliscum killed jake- fits the claims and flips.

I want that table full.

[shos]

Well i have the wrench so ill live yonight.

The pipe targets a room - n0 i trgetted drawing room.and moved there.

[shos]

I honestly didnt think about it, lol. Ive got to the point where i was thinkingthat if all the truth came out wed be able to find the scums, since one lie has to be said..

[shos]

I fully support protecting Mala tonight, by the way.

I might have misunderstood the power of the dagger then. is it a doc-protect, or is it an all-but-one- protect?

[shos]

...well that explains better. so how was it used so far again?

we need a way to compite the info in a way that's better visible and explains better. I'll try to get it done later this evening.

This would mean that the chances for scum kill successful are not great.

[shos]

Given how many item's were missing, I'm certain at least one of Jen and Beli is lying about not having had any items.

That I said; when I was attacking Jen I used this as motivation. Jen then said how comes I'm not accusing Beli, and well, even if that wasn't why I was voting her, she was right and it is motivation against Beli too.

wait is shos claiming he has a wrench and it protects? no way this game has 2 protects

VOTE: shos

mala I was in the library

where have I claimed that? O_o
the wrench gives you theability to move wherever you want in the map, and any actions that was supposed to target you in your old room will not work. that is, including kills.

Wrench apparently allows movement to any room and avoids being targeted.

shos, are you sure the wrench defends you from the NK?

precisely. I believe so, since a kill is targetting me too, right..? it's worth questioning to the mod tho

@Shos:

Explain both your items..

Lead pipe and Wrench.

Both what it does without getting modkilled.

Wrench I said above.
Lead pipe: if your target is going to try and use an item - their action will fail(I'm not sure if this is the correct paraphrasing but I don't wanna get modkilled).
in a different way: if your target will use an item, they will be roleblocked.

Mod:
*assuming* there were two items, one which blocks the use of an item, and another that avoids being targetted, and the first targets the second, what would happen?

[shos]

EBWOP:

Mod:
*assuming* there were two items, one which blocks the use of an item, and another that avoids being targetted, and the first targets the second, what would happen?

[shos]

So far the items we have gathered info about are:

Wrench - commute and movement to wherever you want.
Lead Pipe - roleblocker
Dagger - doc?
Rope - it was mentioned but I don't remember
Horseshow - it was mentioned but I don't remember

do we know anything else? has anyone had the poison? Candlestick? Revolver?

---

I Will Not Be Denied!!!

VOTE COUNT 3.06

With 7 alive it's 4 votes to Lynch.

Voting for:

Shos (1):

pirate mollie

Jennifer (1):

Belisarius

malakittens (0):
pirate mollie (0):
penguin_alien (0):

Belisarius (2):

Shos, Jennifer

serrapaladin (0):

Not voting (3): malakittens, penguin_alien, serrapaladin

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-29 23:30:00)

[shos]

^^^...is the second post of the page, haha mod, haha.

~What were you saying?

[shos]

taking a shot in the dark here: what do you guys think of a no lynch? it seems that we're missing some info, and a kill will make more info available. I think we've established that we're not in lylo/mylo; so this way we might get a hold of more different items, and also, we can direct everyone where to go and separate ourselves from each other so that any kills would supposedly be impossible, unless scum start lying consecutively AND are lucky. meanwhile we can get the candlestick maybe or one of the others. I dunno, just thinking here. does it sound as a legitimate option?

I'm going to look at beli now. I got some time surprisingly so I'll do that

PEDIT HOLY ShIT
ninja'd by 7 posts!

[shos]

we covered 11 of the 12 rooms Days 0 and 1. It is possible it's in the Billiard room or that someone got it and had it fail.

This gives me loads of town vibes. that is very very town motivated, and it's smart and if I'd thought about it as town I'd do it too. seems odd that scum would investigate the game thoroughly enough to get this info if it's of no immediate use for them.

yikes. I'm back to Jen/beli scumteam.


Ia lso quoted the other sentence in the quote because if everyone thinks I should, I can fly there. although I'd really rather stay under the radar and disappear for the next few nights.

[shos]

I'm kinda torn on beli's ISO. some looks good, some looks bad. DYK that beli has voted only 3 times the entire game? let's see her voting patterns in meta.

[shos]

Well that's disappointing.

I've gone through all of Beli's games. one scum game, all the rest town. in all town games he has 2-4 votes the entire game. int he scum one he has 9. that's...disappointing.

what do

UNVOTE

[shos]

well I had to call you a girl, you were pissed when they called oyu bella ;P

and I probably missed it, yes. but that's no use at all since it shows that you vote that way regardless of alignment.

~Not again, you bastard!

[shos]

No guille. you lose.

[shos]

I'm terribly confused with this game.

[shos]

VOTE: Jen

by PoE of some sort; I'm more inclined to this than penguin, and I don't want to vote beli, and I'm pretty sure serra and mala are town. so that's practically it.

[shos]

I really dunno. I'm confused at the moment, I've got this wierd feeling about beli from reading that meta; also, why would scumbeli bring up the fact that I forgot a game? :/

[shos]

Well thats a far fetched wifomm. I dunno.

Id like any lynch obmn jen/peng

[shos]

Too little interactions from.penguin, and poe.

In general im only sure in mala and serra town. From malas choices id prefer beli, but i dont understand how he called jenni town.

[shos]

Btw when is deadline?

[shos]

Dude im.in the army. Its hard for me to plau, not to mention go over isos and remember everything. I dont know why the mala tesy startgame seems odd to you. But meh

At the moment im going with looking for scum.and not for town. The lynch pool is small for me, nd.you are in it. Its a question of who seems more off, and currently its you and jen.

[shos]

Jen, i investigated and found a reason not to vote beli. Nobody would check me. Then, beli corrected it, changing it from 'good for myself' to 'entirely true'.
Scum would be much better just shutting up and enjoying tge benefit of my not prfect work.

Ill reaf the rest soon

[shos]

I gotta say thay jen is really the least contributor imo, and with what i think to be a scumslip, and by poe, i doubt ill change my vote on her. You guys should really.make up your mind quicker, penguin is right.

[shos]

Go logical, no reason to look for scum in msla and mollie imo.

Quite comfy vla.got there jen..

[shos]

Btw i decided last nifht not to fly to the billiaes roon...

[shos]

3 days 6 hours.

[shos]

Well thats interesting. Ill decide what to do later.

[shos]

Alright, im letting you hamner, assuming it isnt lylo. Id still.put my bets in peng-jen, but eoth that asdumptiin its a good compromise

[shos]

Mala is a guy lol xD everyone thinks otherwiseeee xD

So it appears beli and i think the same. How bout we lynch jen instead?

[shos]

Im not going bavk and forth lol. I will not vote beli, no. Im voting jen and tjink you should too. But considering thay at the moment i am not sure who last scum is - possibilities are penguin and beli - well tjen this compromise really isnt that bad

I forgot why im.so sure mollie is town

[shos]

interesting point. N0 the scun couldnt kill. N1, if any scum had an item, then a kill failed.

mod, can.you confirm that n1 if any scum had an item, one had to attempt a kill?

Im betting one who claimed bo item n0 is scum.
I can look for fuzzys post that confirms my n0 item use and therefore confirms my location at the time.

[shos]

Quick question: has anyone claimed having an item but not using it during n0? Cuz the rules say that during n0 you have to pergorm an action if possible..

It doesnt say anything about a n0 kill being/not being possible. But its stupid to make it possible n0 cuz one player does eithout playing..?

[shos]

If that was a scumslip credot goes to me bitchiz yeaaa

I think its peng/jen

[shos]

You are wrong imo, cuz thetes already a rule against keeping an item two nights in a row.

[shos]

Part of the mechanics i think, thqts info to be investigated, knowledge of items etc.

Deadline is soon, we sjould.have a wagon ready for a hammer. Preferably on jen.

[shos]

mod, can.you confirm that n1 if any scum had an item, one had to attempt a kill?

Im betting one who claimed bo item n0 is scum

[shos]

Well shit. No scumslip.

Jens post here above was completely stupid imo tho.

Eight hours to deadline.

mod, serra is voting jen, it is in this page

~Fixed

If.nobody hammers jen by the morning ill hammer beli.
Im waking up in precisely 7 hours so thatll do.

[shos]

VOTE: Beli

Just making sure.

[shos]

mafia flip and no kill. that's good.

thoughts, anyone?

[shos]

also, has the mod said anything about hearing a shot of a gun to you?

[shos]

Well I said I'd hammer in the morning, and was already hammered, so figured why not make sure lol

If it matters, I was not in favor of that lynch as I said I preferrec Jen. but the cross-voting between Jen and Beli now after the flip looks interesting. I'll cross-ISO stuff tomorrow, no time for too much today.

I already claimed all the items/room stuff except tonight. I kinda don't wanna claim my actions of tonight..

[shos]

@Mala: I just think it's going to be better for town if I was silent for today about that >_>; it mainly involves me being stupid; and no valuable information to town.

Also, we did NOT catch beli with that info; the mod confirmed that what we talked about was in fact NOT a scumslip. or was it penguin anyway? O_o;; meh nvm, I still don't remember using the item info as reason to vote beli. maybe motivation only.

you couldn't target me because I used the wrench, meaning you will miss even if you were in range. remind me - I was in the Trophy room - was I in your range? O_o; and what do you mean with that %?

@peng: yes, that is true, why?

[shos]

eh well, I meant that I didn't want to claim where I am *now*..

[shos]

...waiting for Jen to appear....

[shos]

I dunno about claiming rooms of today.....there's pros and cons...dunno...

anyway I'm out running so ttyl

[shos]

Can someone update the tables? If not ill do so when.i get ho
Me

[shos]

even a partial update would be good to start from. I thought I'd have more time, only tomorrow I probably will

[shos]

Im on.my way home; jopefully ill dig the tables later.

Meanwhile, VOTE: jen

[shos]

I have not pushed a nolynch yesterday; I only suggested it for thought. I didn't even say I support it. about the 'derailing' - you're being an idiot if you think that way. we saw something that contradicts the rules directly supposedly, and it could be a completely legitimate scumslip in a game where the mod means what he writes (Ahem guille ahem lol). the mere fact that we had to get the mod to answer our questions about it immediately cancels your attempt at discreditting me for finding that. I read the rules carefully while scumhunting and THAT's when I found it, and if you think that is a SCUMtell, then you're being stupid.

I'm pretty sure that there is only one scum alive at the moment, and that it is one of {penguin, Jen}. if it's one of the others that sucks, but we can still live even if we mislynch both - all we need is that scum have less than 2 nightkills.

I'll examine the game in more detail tomorrow probably, I thought I'd have a free week but it seems there's just loads of stuff in it.

[shos]

lol where did you get these posts from. 838 is not related to 837; that's a "I read those links and I have no reason to think penguin is scum BUT he rubs me the wrong way" >_>'

anyway, I'm wanting your lynch after Jen plainly by PoE. I'm working on the assumption that serra and mala are town, and of mollie and you, if we don't win after a Jen lynch, I'd rather lynch you (for now).

The reads haven't changed because I haven't been able to go through the last day yet. as I said, I'll probably do that tomorrow.

[shos]

if it really bothers you that for the while I'm voting Jen, I can remove that vote.

UNVOTE

[shos]

Jen, lol. terribly lol.

end to start -
*as I said in the last 5 posts, I'm now starting to reread and make a better thought decision; I unvoted since penguin seemed concerned about it, it has nothing to do with 'being percieved poorly' >_>
*when I brought it up, beli answered that he did not have an item. but either way; we've dug through this quite a lot - at the time I was voting you for other reasons, the item claim was just motivation. cross-ISO me and yourself to see how much we talked about this -__-;
*you say 'voting patterns shows shos scum' but you don't elaborate?
*so something beli said makes me scum? that's a logical fail. scum would just make such posts on purpose if that worked. (btw, between the posts you linked beli asked me questions and I answered them)
*so?

meh. lemme make my reread.

[shos]

VOTE COUNT 3.10

With 7 alive it's 4 votes to Lynch.

Voting for:

Shos (0):
Jennifer (3):

Belisarius, Shos

malakittens (0):
pirate mollie (0):
penguin_alien (0):

Belisarius (Lynched):

Jennifer, pirate mollie, penguin_alien, serrapaladin

serrapaladin (0):

Not voting (1): malakittens

A lynched has been reached. Please hold.

just while moving I found this...imo that shows I'm town and probably supports serra town.

[shos]

I started out last night in the Conservatory and did not use an item.

Did not use or did not have?

[shos]

Mala you didn't claim last night's position add it to the table I'm posting soon

[shos]

Player	D0 Location	D1 Location	D2 Location	D3 Location	D4 Location
shos	Conservatory	Drawing Room	Conservatory	Trophy Room	kitchen
mollie	Fountain	Courtyard	Library	Trophy Room
Mala	Library	Kitchen	Dining Room
Jen	Carriage Room	Trophy Room	Kitchen	Library
Baby	Trophy Room	:lynched: in Kitchen
Jake	Gazebo	Courtyard	:stabbed: in Drawing Room
fuzzy	Drawing Room	Courtyard	:lynched: in Carriage Room
Beli	Studio	Conservatory	Conservatory	:Lynched: in Drawing Room
Penguin	Dining Room	Kitchen	Studio	Conservatory
serra	Kitchen	Trophy Room	Conservatory	Studio

Player	N0 Item Use	N1 Item Use	N2 Item Use	N3 Item Use
shos	Lead Pipe @ fuzzy	None	None	Wrench @ Kitchen
mollie	None	Dagger @ Mala	None
Mala	None	Dropped Horseshoe	Wrench @ (tbc)
Jen	None	None	None	Horseshoe
Baby
Beli	None	None	None
Jake
fuzzy
Penguin	None	Wrench @ Studio	None	None
serra	None	Rope @ Conservatory (Beli)	None	Dagger @ Mala

this is what I found
correct me if I'm wrong, going to shower and arrange my room and I'll hopefully do the reread after that.
you'll have to excuse my delay, it appears I have to go to the army tomorrow to be trialled (!?!) so my head is all messed up

[shos]

btw before I go it occurred to me that as I said, Beli the scum has claimed to have no items ever; and Jen did precisely the same, and after I noted it she had an item all of a sudden...

[shos]

@peng: cuz you might be town and because I'm going to reevaluate my vote anyway.
I didn't go to the billiard room because it's basically giving my head to the scums ahead. the chances that scum were 2 spots away from the billiard room are great so that's a 100% surely manufactured kill. as long as scum are in the dark, we can have many nights with no kills.
and if I were you it would clear me because no way in hell both scums are off the wagon and all the townies were on it. that just NEVER happens unless 3p lylo. it should clear serra because the jen wagon was quite as viable as beli imo, and so making the decision so close to lylo (if not in it already, or mylo) would be a -only- town move.

[shos]

nope; I just said I'd hammer so in the morning I voted anyway. worst that could happen is he would be overlynched, best is somehow I missed an unvote and it was the hammer, so really that was just making sure.

kinda reminds me of the Agency mafia, where 7 votes were required to lynch, and Day 1 the mod had 8 votes on him XD "one does not just lynch the mod"

[shos]

anyone who has ever played with shosscum should know that shosscum doesn't make mistakes like woops not mentioning partner in the mala test I made. about beli buddying me before his lynch - I don't see how you think it's not buddying. why would he keep going after a shosscum argument when shos is not even a nearly viable wagon? he had the only choice of going against Jen, and I was on the fence, so he buddied me.

that's how I see it.
I'll post more with time.

[shos]

Peng, N1 you didn't

know

who was where -_-;

anyway I have loaaaads of time today so I'ma probably investigate further into this game. don't hammer, yet

[shos]

^^^ dat a scumslip?

I'm making my reread soon

[shos]

so why give scum the option to select a room?

[shos]

you assumed that scum will be told by the mod who they can target.
we know that scum can kill by selecting a target OR a room.

why would scum pick a room if they know all their possible targets?

[shos]

Ok wtf

I just reread the rules like 4 times and I couldn't find anything about the mafia kill and I SWEAR it was there

I couldn't have possibly made it up in my mind, lol.

the mechanism I remember is:
if mafia have an item, they can choose to use it to target a person - and if they're in range they'll die; OR - they can choose to use it to target an adjacent room, and then a random person in that room will be killed.

does this sound familiar or am I really hallucinating?!?!

GUILLE

not only you took the first post in this page but also

did you edit out part of the rules where the killing mechanism is described???

[shos]

[*]When using an item you can target a player or a room. If the targeted player is outside the range of the item, then the action will fail. If the targeted room has several players, the targeted player is selected randomly.

eh sorry guys I found it.

/selfbitchslap


....so I figured that this is how the killing mechanism works too...since an item is USED to kill...

then again there's Jen's thing that may or may not have been a scumslip, and there's also what you just said which makes no sense if combined with the sentence above...

*sigh*
I'm starting my reread

[shos]

well I've researched Beli's meta and it doesn't look like there's any pattern in his scum games concerning bussing and/or any teammate interaction.