Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)

[pirate mollie]

oh god you are scum again aren't you

[pirate mollie]

Cool. Explain why.

How is the analysis coming along?

It's not. I'm focusing on catching up in another game at the moment. But I'll get to this one soon, probably over the weekend or by Monday.

^scum

[pirate mollie]

plz vote rubicon tomorrow

[pirate mollie]

also has everyone posted yet

[pirate mollie]

lol

[pirate mollie]

ARRRRGGGGHHH!

goddammit I had just talked myself out of my paranoia of nacho. :whyyou:

here are my notes from my spreadsheet about possible scum nacho:

-slow entrance
-early bus of bc?
-avoidance
-slow to answer about rememory
-what do you mean I am impossible to deal with? (this is a big one, he loves me goddammit!)
-avoiding mantis

the last one is pretty significant; if nacho flips scum look to mantis. I have been playing with mantis forever and she knows how to sneak past my feels but she can't keep it up. it is starting to look like she is doing her thread avoidance thing which is her biggest scumtell.

rememory if we are right about the scum team, let's be friends.

[pirate mollie]

no, I actually take that back

look at IaI

he was a traitor in posh who fake claimed cop and got town players lynched by giving out false reads. he can look very very very town when he wants to and his very first post was horrible.

[pirate mollie]

-what do you mean I am impossible to deal with? (this is a big one, he loves me goddammit!)

This is how I feel whenever you are town and I am town and you get me mislynched because you're convinced that I must be scum.

I only got you mislynched that one time and that was after you tried to get me mislynched! I didn't get you lynched in KISS I voted metal!

[pirate mollie]

uhm wat

[pirate mollie]

@Rubicon:
1. Are you scum?
2.What do you think of your predecessor's play? Don't Iso him, just give your general opinion.
3. You said you hoped someone investigated Nacho, "because Nacho" can you elaborate on what you meant by this? How do you know Nacho?

1. I'm town.
2. It looked fine to me. But to be honest, I know why you're asking this, so you shouldn't read much into my answer.
3. I simply think it's a good strategy to townfirm players who people can't accurately read. Maybe you guys disagree, but whatever, that's just theory.

I've read enough of all you guys' games to not have much confidence in your ability to read nacho

. If he's town, then in my opinion it's better to

know

he's town. There is nothing more to my comment than this.

Anyway, I feel a bit bad that I've made people suspect this slot, but I'm not too worried about it. I think it's just that I haven't contributed anything yet. As soon as I have the time, I'll put on my analyzer hat and finish reading ISOs, and once I actually post content I think it'll be obvious that I'm town (it usually is). Contrary to what you said, I'm not "stalling on contributing", it's just I've had to catch up on 200+ pages of mafia games in the last week and that means prioritizing.

so which of my games did you read where you drew the conclusion that I can't read nacho? do tell.

[pirate mollie]

if rubi flips scum then that clears nacho. it looks like he is trying to tie up the cop with a town read.

it seems unlikely that that rubi would target nacho as a scummate and fate would do the whole "oh nacho is obv town!". but if nacho has continued longevity and with this much suspicion on him he will most likely be viewed and there is enough info to mine from to pick out the last scum.

I still say IaI is the third scum, I don't give a shit how town he can make himself seem, he was awkward with his first post, and he is the type to sweet talk you out of your life insurance policy I mean really, 2 MISLYNCHES DUE TO FAKE COP CLAIMS IN POSH!!!!

[pirate mollie]

buldey considering you are doing fuck all in this day round I defo think you need to be viewed

will someone plz take care of this but rubi first

[pirate mollie]

why the fuck is fate not lynched already

[pirate mollie]

*If you're not an N2 cop.

I am not sure that was nacho's plan?

[pirate mollie]

why the fuck is fate not lynched already

rubi, nacho and IaI

nacho you are not doing a thing

[pirate mollie]

^ was that supposed to be you doing something cos I am disappointed

[pirate mollie]

I am not going to do anything today.

does that include not vote fate?

[pirate mollie]

and you dare to say that I am impossible

[pirate mollie]

I hate you both

[pirate mollie]

it is a waste to investigate me since fate is confirmed scum and his flip will pretty much support my claim

[pirate mollie]

I protected IaI. I didn't like the thought of protecting kuro and I couldn't recall who the 3rd claimed cop was.

why didn't you protect me? fate's flip cleared me

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: buldemar

your protect makes even less sense than kuror viewing nacho. how the fuck is IaI your strongest town read

[pirate mollie]

I protected IaI. I didn't like the thought of protecting kuro and I couldn't recall who the 3rd claimed cop was.

why didn't you protect me? fate's flip cleared me

You don't have any night ability and thus it would make no sense for scum to target you.

scum would be targeting cleared players

VOTE: buldemar

your protect makes even less sense than kuror viewing nacho. how the fuck is IaI your strongest town read

He's not my strongest town read. What the fuck does that even matter? I'm not supposed to protect my strongest town read, I'm supposed to protect the person I think is most likely to be a target by scum.

You're just voting me because you're moody and annoyed with me and it's silly

.

I am voting you cos what you did does not make sense. if you cannot remember who the outed n2 prs were you should have protected one of the cleared players, which you chose not to do.

anyways your last statement takes things to a personal level that you are using to discredit me.

mod, plz replace me

[pirate mollie]

hi IaI. I have rubicon and kuror as my top 2 suspects.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: buldermar

[pirate mollie]

I got a town result last night. I will say who once SE Asians checks in with a Top 2. I am now starting to wonder if Kuror is scum and chose the last scum as part of his list. This would ensure 1) that I did not investigate scum N2 2) they had free reign to kill anyone not named me or Kuror as the N2 docs would likely be protecting us (sorry pirate, this was the right move)

I suggested mollie divide the pool between us

.

Nacho suggested randomly dividing the list (looking back at that post, Nacho suggested I take ALL THREE of the players Kuror originally wanted)

Nacho also suggested a draft as a 3rd option

Kuror rejected all three of these. Then the target he picks dies over either cop. Mollie/Buldie, remember what I did on Posh N2/D3....as the "cop", I also "targeted" the NK. Keeps the pool of confirmed town smaller....which would be needed as I would be confirming a town D3.

I'll have more to say why I have these suspicions after I release my investigation result.

Needless to say, my Top 2 are Kuror and Remembrance

wrt the bold: what are you talking about here

speaking of posh you had me fooled about mattp. I tried to move the lynch off dan but couldn't and then he got weird in twilight.

hhhmmmm.....

[pirate mollie]

Partially due to the jumping off of the Fate wagon at L-2, and partially due to the fact that Kuror had a scum read on Mantis, but Remembrance "screams town real hard" to him. Not the kind of player I'd expect a cop to consider investigating.

what are you talking about here

[pirate mollie]

Changed my mind, I am not going to wait for SE Asians.

I investigated Human Destroyer last night. He came back as town.

That means between Rach, myself, HD, and Mollie, I am very certain that is 4 cops. We have between 4 & 6 cops. With Rubicon, Mantis, and SE Asians all still unknown, it makes Kuror0 seem a little more suspicious. Factor in the investigation target coincidentally ended up getting NK'd, and he insisted on his target list, I am believing less and less that he is legit.

Unless you think the scum team is HD & myself, he is a legit cop. We need him to be protected, or at least seem possibly protected, hence why I think we are best off keeping Rubicon and Mantis from claiming today (unless they are a N3 cop, then they claim and we split the investigation targets again, this time with Mollie dividing the list).

Thoughts on the plan?

PS - Those who had HD in their top 2, would you please replace him with someone else?

vote kuror0

okay you are making sense here

[pirate mollie]

Unless you think the scum team is HD & myself, he is a legit cop.

Why did you out that he's a cop? Or am I being stupid and missing something obvious now?

I claimed N3 cop...

where?

[pirate mollie]

lol

[pirate mollie]

okay

[pirate mollie]

IaI, I will probably not entirely trust you until I see your town game.

I am good with rubicon, that was the plan at the start of the day and he has not done anything to make me change my mind.

VOTE: rubicon

[pirate mollie]

mantis you are scum aren't you

[pirate mollie]

guys plz look at mantis tomorrow

[pirate mollie]

mantis you are scum aren't you

no, was half asleep when i made those posts. but, i am starting to consider remembrance scum.

why

[pirate mollie]

sure

UNVOTE: rubicon

[pirate mollie]

mantis you are scum aren't you

no, was half asleep when i made those posts. but, i am starting to consider remembrance scum.

why

i think because i'm beginning to think it'd be pretty careless of kuror to come in as scum and claim he tried to view nacho.
so if it's not him... i'm trying to look elsewhere. buldermar, you are really the only ones i have as certain town. bulder for his play, you for the guilty fate.

that does not answer why your vote is rememory

VOTE: mantis

[pirate mollie]

tbh I think I want to lynch mantis

[pirate mollie]

@IaI, what happened to your plan? Why are you suddenly okay with Rubicon claiming?

My plan went out the window when Rubicon got to L-1. I was okay with him claiming because if he was a N3 doc (or scum claiming to be a N3 doc), then HD survives and we get one more confirmed town/caught scum.

Whit Rubi this is the 6th Cop claim.

Which means if either SE Asians or Mantis are a cop, they should claim. It would mean every living doc is confirmed town, plus we would have a pool of {kuror, mollie, myself, rubicon, and the last claimed cop} to choose from today.

IaI why you asked Rubi to claim if you are voting me and seems you are still convinced I'm scum? Or that was your hammer intent claim? Or you changed your mind about me?

See my response above.

**********

What does everyone think about the 2 remaining players claiming their power role

(

but not the night

) based on the logic above?

I am for it for the record...

wrt bold: that doesn't even make sense

[pirate mollie]

"4 Claimed docs, N1 Nacho , N3 Wisdom, N1 Rem, N2 Buldermar."

Whoops forgot about Wisdom.

So forget the part I said about confirming all the living docs, that was wrong

.

I also still think that if Mantis and/or SE Asians are a cop, they should claim at this point. Then we have guaranteed scum in the living claimed cops, as 7 total would be had.

Rubicon's claim, conveniently a cop (more valuable than a doctor) and the night (4 being as recent as possible) is shady as all get out.

wrt the bold: OKAY

[pirate mollie]

tbh I think I want to lynch mantis

Why?

her progression of her read on rememory does not make sense. her vote on bc did not make sense either. it looked she was sheeping nacho's read and trying to stay under the radar <----- scum mantis. town mantis never really sheeps, she is one to go with her own reasoning at all times.

she placed an easy vote on fate and didn't do anything else in the game.

VOTE: mantis

[pirate mollie]

kuror and hd feel awkward as hell

[pirate mollie]

you both just feel awkward. hard to explain

but I really do not like mantis's posts in this day round

[pirate mollie]

Requesting replacement.

Wasn't going to, but since it looks like you guys are probably not lynching me right away, this slot deserves someone who can actually spare the time to play well. I'm getting a bit burnt out on all this mafia stuff and just don't have the energy.

Before I go:
Scum reads are buldermar and mantis.
Town reads are Rememberance, IAI and kuror.
HD is probably town too.

this post is so scummy for so many reasons

[pirate mollie]

if rememory is scum I am going to lord it over nacho forever

[pirate mollie]

so who are your scum reads?

Rubicon (L-4): Remembrance
Buldermar (L-4): Rubicon
kuror0 (L-4): I Am Innocent
mantisdreamz (L-2): pirate mollie, kuror0, Human Destroyer

SE-Asians, buldermar, mantisdreamz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Sunday, May 12th 2013, at 12:00 AM EST.

[pirate mollie]

so who are your scum reads?

IAI -for first one.
tell me what you think of his latest post?

after that, if HD and him aren't playing a gambit....dunno.
i don't think you as scum would deliver fate on a platter for us. I def. think SE Asians is town, and i was paranoid of Remembrance for a bit, but i really think he's town. Stuff like - questioning SE, stuff like going after Bacde right *right* at the beginning.

I went to look at Bulder's ISO ---it's soo long though. if Rubicon or Kuror are not scum, i'd be starting to look at him.

maybe i'll take a closer look at his ISO. i did for a bit, a point towards him, was when he was talking to Nacho about Bacde. However, the reason why i have him as a slight niggle...because what i saw was a lot of question asking, but not really many declarations.

this is scummy mantis to the core lol. rubicon is her partner cos she earlier said that he looked like an easy mislynch and here she is saying "oh if rubicon or kuror are not scum I'd look at buldey". lol

can we lynch her or rubicon plz

[pirate mollie]

also mollie, if i were scum why would i be playing the way i have? voting remembrance, then removing my vote.. changing mind on him.. reads being all over the place. scum are way more careful, and you know this.

okay so IaI? you get a day

I have not been up against you as scum on this site and the format is different. the game that I played with you that was untimed your reads WERE all over the place mostly cos you forgot what you posted prior. it is kind of what it looks like you did here

I had IaI down as scum on d1. he is super smooth and that is all I can say. I thought fate was a higher priority cos he is very hard to read and that is why I viewed him. plus it would make things clearer about nacho even though I did manage to get paranoid about him anyway.

UNVOTE: mantis

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: IaI

[pirate mollie]

also mollie, if i were scum why would i be playing the way i have? voting remembrance, then removing my vote.. changing mind on him.. reads being all over the place. scum are way more careful, and you know this.

okay so IaI? you get a day

I have not been up against you as scum on this site and the format is different. the game that I played with you that was untimed your reads WERE all over the place mostly cos you forgot what you posted prior. it is kind of what it looks like you did here

I had IaI down as scum on d1. he is super smooth and that is all I can say. I thought fate was a higher priority cos he is very hard to read and that is why I viewed him. plus it would make things clearer about nacho even though I did manage to get paranoid about him anyway.

UNVOTE: mantis

game 99 - where i was scum with blueberry, and nacho picked me out within minutes. :p

i also think the timing of IAI's out and claim was just right, for scum. not at the beginning, not closer to the end, when it's narrowed down a little more, but just right in the midst of things. i don't trust him one bit.

also - should i out my role (cop/doc) ?

nks feel more like you tbh

[pirate mollie]

why would you want me to lynch you if you are town

that is not how I work

and I thought you said rubicon was a mislynch

see this is why you are scum to me. when do you ask my opinion as town at this stage of the game

it isn't just that you are bouncing around it is that you are bouncing around with no progression of your reads. why do you suddenly find rubicon scummy when you had him as a mislynch like 5 minutes ago

[pirate mollie]

so what made rememory town for you

[pirate mollie]

but isn't looking at his iso the reason you found him scummy in the first place?

did you iso him before or after you voted him

[pirate mollie]

does anybody remember what the current vc is?

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: IaI

I am really feeling a mantis lynch. even with the egg on face comment. I am just not liking her play, this looks like her scum game. the progression of her reads really does not add up. and borky dropped a scumtell early in the game that I think is a relative tell for him and rubi has done nothing with that slot to make me think town.

why aren't you voting, rememory?

buldey why did you refer to rubicon as a female? it says male under the avatar and that is what you usually go with so that is weird.

also your response to rememory's call out was exactly what I would have expected scum to say why did you have to go and do that

[pirate mollie]

y'all are freaking me out

[pirate mollie]

the thing with buldey is that he isn't a lazy scum player. while what he said is something I would fully expect to hear from scum itsn't something that I would expect scum buldey to say. does that make sense?

[pirate mollie]

I think mantis's is the only lynch we are going to be able to push through. it is very weird that buldey hasn't put a vote down yet. he kept saying he was going to give me his vote but he never actually did.

that was me

[pirate mollie]

if mantis flips scum then I think IaI is town. I am always squeamish about lynching mantis in case I am wrong. the egg on the face was a big relative tell but mantis has dropped a huge town tell like that on me before and she was scum.

my rememory town read comes from nacho. I can't remember if he town read buldey or not but he seemed to have treated him like town.

I am seriously wondering about SE. I have completed games with all 3 right now and I still don't know. they look scummy to me. dunno about kuror like even when he posts he somehow manages to slip off of my radar and tbh that is usually a scumtell.

[pirate mollie]

the lack of twilight activity makes me wonder if I am wrong

mantisdreamz (L-0): kuror0, Human Destroyer, Remembrance, Rubicon, I Am Innocent
I Am Innocent (L-3): mantisdreamz

SE-Asians, buldermar, Remembrance, pirate mollie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Sunday, May 12th 2013, at 12:00 AM EST.

[pirate mollie]

why am I not dead

kuror0 (L-2): I Am Innocent, jon_h61
I Am Innocent (L-3): kuror0

Not Voting: Remembrance, buldermar, pirate mollie, SE-Asians

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is on Thursday, March 30th, at 10:00 PM EST.

[pirate mollie]

oh god why the hell did we lynch mantis over rubicon what the fuck was I thinking at the time

jon you subbed into a seriously scummy slot and you are not making it any better

VOTE: jon

[pirate mollie]

rememory if you are scum I am going to lord it over nacho forever are you willing to deal with the karma of that

[pirate mollie]

It's only playstyle related. His bursting confidence and such.

why would his bursting confidence bother you?

[pirate mollie]

also I take heed of manits's reads

like I kinda want buldey gone

[pirate mollie]

wtf are you even talking about he voted kuro rand you posted that only 6 hours later from his last post

VOTE: rememory

[pirate mollie]

well you didn't check very well did you cos you managed to mess up the vote and the time

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: jon

[pirate mollie]

that isn't an answer

in what post did wisdom troll you?

give a good answer and I will back off

Nah your vote is good. Keep in me.

This sounds like something scum would say, trying to sound townie. In actuality, town would realize that a vote on themselves is one less vote to pressure mafia, and would be best off trying to prove their towniness. Me no likey, so me:

vote: SE-Asians

(will be unavailable for most of the day due to the Easter holiday)

He voted Asians.

this post has nothing to do with the day round

like I am seriously lost

[pirate mollie]

gut says IaI and jon

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: buldey

[pirate mollie]

who do you think is lying jon?

you feel scummy to me. and that is independent of the people you replaced into

[pirate mollie]

Well, then in that case you ought to try to get me lynched. But we are running out of days, so I'd be sure before you place your votes -this is to everyone.

P-M you keep saying that, but you leave me nothing to refute. I can say I'm not scum all day to refute you saying I'm scum but it gets us nowhere. Tell me something, anything that makes you feel I (independently) am scum.
By the way I never went back and read my predecessor.

I am actually entertaining the thought that p-m may have pulled the gambit when she revealed her guilty earlier. I realize p-m's play style is unique, but I'm really starting to wonder about her this game. I'm starting to lean scum on her.

@ p-m Can you explain why you keep voting Buldermar?

why did you address me twice in this post

jesus christ jon you have seen my scum game, pulling a gambit like you are suggesting would be stupid and besides I would have eaten bc's liver if he would have subbed out. your suspicions do not read as natural they look forced as hell and you are looking awkward and clunky.

[pirate mollie]

I thought you found me the scummiest. Would you mind explain what made you change your mind?

I keep on reading ISOs, looking for scum. There were 125 pages of info when I subbed in. Reading the game I'm not the only one to change my reads. Besides if you ISO me you'd see you are old news. I wouldn't be surprised if my reads change again before I'm completely through.

why did you address me twice in this post

jesus christ jon you have seen my scum game, pulling a gambit like you are suggesting would be stupid and besides I would have eaten bc's liver if he would have subbed out. your suspicions do not read as natural they look forced as hell and you are looking awkward and clunky.

The second time I addressed you in that post was because I noticed you'd voted Buldemar again, and I was curious of the reason.

I'll agree with the awkward and clunky part, this is a lot of pages to sift through to try to get reads. I've noticed almost

everyone has been really off on their reads (including our dead players)

, so there isn't anyone's reads I can rely on being right. This is mainly why I'm offering to lend my vote to my biggest Town read, and another part to my question of why you're voting him.

lol

I was sheeping mantis's read on buldey but I think he is town now

and I viewed fate

based on nacho's read. so not all the reads are "off"

VOTE: jon

we have 2 completed games together and and you were town and in this game you are not even remotely like it

[pirate mollie]

mollie, why do you want to lynch jon now as opposed to tomorrow? I don't see any drawbacks in postponing lynching him a day (assuming that we were otherwise going to lynch him today) - do you?

I see what you are saying. I have you and rememory as for sure town otherwise I am wandering in the dark. what is your read on IaI and also can tell me what that big combo posting said it was tl;dr for me

[pirate mollie]

mollie, why do you want to lynch jon now as opposed to tomorrow? I don't see any drawbacks in postponing lynching him a day (assuming that we were otherwise going to lynch him today) - do you?

I see what you are saying. I have you and rememory as for sure town otherwise I am wandering in the dark. what is your read on IaI and also can tell me what that big combo posting said it was tl;dr for me

I didn't carefully read it either. I saw it was full of self-meta and got demotivated.

I think I may have caught IAI in a scumslip, but we'll see. I'll summarize:

IAI said in a post that he was looking into who "pushed Rubi to claim".
I checked his ISO. Coincidentally,

he

was the one asking Rubi to claim when Rubi was on L-1.
I confronted him with this, and he stated that he, by looking into who pushed Rubi to claim, meant to look into who pushed Rubi to L-1 because being on L-1 automatically justifies asking the person on L-1 to claim, perhaps accidental hammers do happen (this was his excuse, which I'm not convinced I buy).
Right now I'm awaiting that he identify a single post in which he pointed out that he was only asking Rubi to claim because Rubi was on L-1, because I don't trust that he didn't simply forget he was the one pushing Rubi to claim (which would be a scumslip).

I think very likely the two scum will be in Rubi-slot, kuro and IAI. I think we shouldn't lynch Rubi-slot today for reasons already explained, so that makes it an option between IAI and kuro. I still have to look more into kuro as well.

okay. I was leaning towards IaI too.

[pirate mollie]

I am pretty confident about it too. let's do IaI

VOTE: IaI

[pirate mollie]

are you voting IaI buldey?

[pirate mollie]

I don't know if I can consider IAI+Kuro a possibly scum team, which is kind of important if we're going with the hypothesis that the three scums are in kuro, IAI and rubi-slot.

you think we started off with 4 scum?

and did rememory just agree with you?

[pirate mollie]

I <3 IaI

[pirate mollie]

IaI if mantis was off limits then why did hammer her instead of defending her?

[pirate mollie]

*why did you

[pirate mollie]

here IaI let me hold you

[pirate mollie]

I don't know if I can consider IAI+Kuro a possibly scum team, which is kind of important if we're going with

the hypothesis that the three scums are in kuro, IAI and rubi-slot

.

you think we started off with 4 scum?

and did rememory just agree with you?

I don't understand these questions.

there are only 2 scum left

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: IaI

[pirate mollie]

jon.

why the fuck are you pushing this idea that I gambited with fate when:

1. if you think that is the case then you must have other reasons for thinking I am scummy cos if your case on me resides on me gambiting then that makes zero sense and that is some serious wifoming there <----scum motivation for being sticky with this belief. ocam's razor says that I am the most cleared player in this game.
2. you have played against me as scum so you have direct meta that points to me playing a conservative game. so where the fuck is this shit coming from.

[pirate mollie]

IaI will you sheep my vote?

[pirate mollie]

I'm painfully sure that Jon is scum

. I don't know if I'm tunneling or not. But I'm keeping it out of my head because he'll die if he's scum. But he DIRECTED the lynch to Kuror. And that's why I don't think Kuror0 is scum.
What's the point of bussing your partner when you're the more obvious of the two?

He has constantly flip-flopped and buddied enough since he got here.

I am too lets lynch him.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: jon

[pirate mollie]

rememory I feel good about this one

[pirate mollie]

I don't know if I can consider IAI+Kuro a possibly scum team, which is kind of important if we're going with

the hypothesis that the three scums are in kuro, IAI and rubi-slot

.

you think we started off with 4 scum?

and did rememory just agree with you?

I don't understand these questions.

there are only 2 scum left

rememory can you plz comment on this post

[pirate mollie]

nope it isn't me. I think gambits are retarded and I think I think fake-claiming as is uber retarded. that is how buldey knows I am not scum cos I would never try to pull that kind of retarded gambit.

jon.

why the fuck are you pushing this idea that I gambited with fate when:

1. if you think that is the case then you must have other reasons for thinking I am scummy cos if your case on me resides on me gambiting then that makes zero sense and that is some serious wifoming there <----scum motivation for being sticky with this belief. ocam's razor says that I am the most cleared player in this game.
2. you have played against me as scum so you have direct meta that points to me playing a conservative game. so where the fuck is this shit coming from.

hey jon you never did address this!

whoops hydra slip

[pirate mollie]

hey jon you never did address this!

I'm not pushing it, I just considered it. Buldemar said you'd never do it, so I dropped it.

you didn't drop it the first time you brought it up or the second time so why are you dropping it now

kuror0 (L-2): I Am Innocent, SE-Asians
I Am Innocent (L-3): kuror0
jon_h61 (L-2): Remembrance, pirate mollie

Not Voting: buldermar, jon_h61

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is on Thursday, May 30th, at 10:00 PM EST.

[pirate mollie]

hey jon you never did address this!

I'm not pushing it, I just considered it. Buldemar said you'd never do it, so I dropped it.

you didn't drop it the first time you brought it up or the second time so why are you dropping it now

Maybe because I told him several times that the idea of you being scum is absolutely retarded?

yes but he is saying that he merely considered it when what he did was to actively push the idea. I am voting him cos he is my strongest scum read. IaI is looking town and you trying to push his lynch through even though he might be town is suboptimal play. and you ignoring all of jon's very scummy play is making me paranoid of you.

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IaI [img]http://talkrational.org/images/smilies/hug.gif[/IaI]

rememory plz don't vote IaI. look at his post. just look at it.

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IaI

rememory plz don't vote IaI. look at his post. just look at it.

lol, fixed it. what can I say IaI you are on my brain.

[pirate mollie]

Yeah bulder is town, by the time fate was lynched, bulder was the only possible n2 doc (unless scum did not believe Asians n5 claim day one). Scum bulder had a free shot at a cop and could have claimed to protect the other one...

this is true

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Well, actually he focused on associating me with Kuror0. To the point he didn't even originally make a case on Kuror0, so much as he worked on associative tells WITH Kuror0.
So maybe he just thought that Kuror0 might get lynched (it was between IaI and Kuror0 after all) and if it was, I was his best shot? Hmm.

you are going in a direction that I can't go. I try not to overthink about what scum might or might not do cos it just leaves me spinning in circles.

stating intent to hammer kuror so if anybody has anything they want to say, say it now.

[pirate mollie]

what was the scumslip?

who are your picks for a team?

[pirate mollie]

pretty sure IaI is town.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: kuror[/vote

[pirate mollie]

whoops

VOTE: kuror

[pirate mollie]

we will probably have a few hours of twighlight so buldey you have time to answer I know you are around so don't pull the "you asked a question and then hammered" bs.

kuror0 (L-0): I Am Innocent, SE-Asians, Remembrance, pirate mollie

I Am Innocent (L-1): kuror0, jon_h61, buldermar

Not Voting:

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is on Thursday, May 30th, at 10:00 PM EST.

[pirate mollie]

we will probably have a few hours of twighlight so buldey you have time to answer I know you are around so don't pull the "you asked a question and then hammered" bs.

I honestly want to take a shower, I've been working out, but if it's just a few questions then ask them now and I'll try to answer.

nah I will go back and reread if you already answered them.

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I hate this game lol.

IaI if you are scum I am going to stalk you to the ends of the earth. I will haunt you from game to game, making you feel guilty at every turn.

do not mistake my reasons for doing this. it will be out of love and admiration.

I don't think the doc should auto-protect me. I think the SE should do what he thinks is right.

I am to do a rethink and a reread

[pirate mollie]

I am reading you as scum IaI cos you are buddying me hard for weird reasons that are wrapped up in your analysis for why I should be protected.

I mean why should town tell scum whom the doc should protect in mylo when town have the advantage

there is only 1 scum left

that angle is weird

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I guess it isn't mylo cos I keep forgetting about SE

[pirate mollie]

but my point still stands

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whenever I read buldey's posts I see town.

why do we have SE as town again?

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yeah I am leaning town on buldey too

it is between you and SE

this is why SE should never have made it this close to endgame. because of the language barrier he is hard to read.

sora has been active on the site and the weird way in which they read nacho was well weird. it was hedging pure and simple and sora has been active elsewhere on the site but I don't think he has posted in this game since d1. lurking is a scumtell for sora I think but gah, has claimed n5 doc

[pirate mollie]

okay so I buy that SE is town.

that leaves buldey, rememory and IaI.

buldey - I have felt like he was town all game but he has not really been under any pressure. I thought that he town telled hard early in the game but now he has slipped into this sort of apathy that I usually associate with town however I know I have been there as scum too. it is a "my god can we just go ahead and get this game over with" reaction when you have lost your entire team. I am on the fence with him but will probably go the emotional route and not vote him. no one else may understand but I do.

IaI - he is wicked smart and an awesome player. the most damning thing was his d1 first post. I tend to get my reads early and be sticky with them. I know a little bit about what he is capable of but the last few days of analysis make him look like gold. but here is the thing. why push for me to be alive tomorrow? cos to be honest I hope I am not. I suck in lylo have only voted correctly twice. I very rarely make it to lylo I am almost always nked way early so I have yet to really develope the skills to navigate a lylo situ. you can probably look at my wiki page and figure that one out. so why would anybody want me around? I mean I wouldn't want me around if I were town. his position feels manipulative but his resignation on the previous day sounded genuine.

so that brings me to rememory. his constant dithering reminds me of borealis (buldey will get this) and it took me a couple of years to figure her out. I have a pretty reliable relative scum tell for her that I apply when I am not getting blindsighted by town retardetry. weird thing is, is that rememory dropped it in this game but applying meta to a player to whom you do not have meta seems silly to me especially since it is a relative tell and not an objective one.

so I am going to go with this cos it is all I have.

VOTE: IaI

IaI, if you are town plz don't be mad at me. it is by POE and if you flip town then well I guess we will have your reads to go on. but I get this feeling you are going to flip scum.

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also the vote count is wrong

[pirate mollie]

I change my mind.

VOTE: rememory

the town leanings on him are from nacho and I do not trust that. on my own I would have lynched him a long time ago.

[pirate mollie]

well, mostly majiffy

and how was my post not nice? I think you might be misunderstanding something

[pirate mollie]

I almost want to move my vote back to IaI

[pirate mollie]

I almost want to move my vote back to IaI

Go for it. You still have a 50/50 chance in LyLo between bulder and remembrance.

To Asians and Mollie, what does scum need right now?

Two mislynches

. Why is that? Because Kuror was lynched over the cop D4 and me.

So what is scum going to do going into D5? Maybe get a feel for where every one stands? Try not to make too many enemies? Look at Remembrance's and Bulders play and you'll realize if you can get over your paranoia about me that this game is in the bag. Their play (not mine) emulates this. They also in past days held out as long as possible (or in Bulder's case, forever) from lynching Kuror.

Seriously, just iso those 2 and myself on just D5 and look who is waffling and who is voting. Get over the paranoia, and realize we have two dead scum because 1) Mollie got a guilty on Fate and 2) because I attacked Kuror ever since D3 and basically went 1 vs 1 on him D4, and because Asians backed me up and didn't go to Jon with me.

3 guaranteed town right there with 2 lynches to go. If you can get over your paranoia, we will win.

PS - Remembrance and Bulder, in your next post, I want you two to stop waffling and to rank the players from scummiest to towniest. I will do likewise:

Remembrance
Bulder
Asians
Mollie

Asians, Mollie, from this point forward I do not want you doing this. Scum should not be tipped off where you are leaning D6 if they get that far...

If Asians or Mollie are somehow scum, I will personally take this loss on myself and nom that player for a scummy.

wrt the bold: only scum think like this

VOTE: IaI

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: IaI

[pirate mollie]

I take that back, I'm quite sure that this is the most important quote and either way I feel like it's a strong enough case for Asians being town to not have to look further. This means that it really boils down to one of IAI and Rem being scum.

I am too and despite all of IaI's hard hard work I am leaning on him

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I think the stuff between him and kuror was scum theatre

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Why would IaI have to be scum just because he scum reads me? That doesn't make any sense.

because poe says it is one of you 2.

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I think the stuff between him and kuror was scum theatre

Can you point out what makes you think that Mollie? Were there any discrepancies or anything? I also didn't really get the "town don't say this" thing you posted earlier, it didn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate why it made him scummy? Pretty sure I'm guilty of mentioning something similar, but you didn't call me out on it. Not in the same context, but still.

I don't even understand your line of questioning here. you either have me as town at this point or you don't.

scum theatre is when 2 scum or 1 scum + town go after each other. usually I mean it to be 2 scum unless I clarify that is 1 sided. discrepancies have nothing to do with it.

well I thought about it and I guess I have seen town say it too. it struck me as possibly scummy at the time. for me it really does come down to 1 of you 2. if it is buldey than he has already won the game cos I doubt I will vote him.

[pirate mollie]

Then he has.
And there is no point continuing this conversation further. Since he can hammer for the win tomorrow.

VOTE: IaI

I don't think IaI is scum. And I think we just lost. His dissatisfaction and anger at his plans being ignored seems no less genuine than it was originally.

However it means nothing if you won't reconsider Mollie. None of it means anything.

3 months to vote someone I don't think is scum so I can get hammered by PoE.

*sigh*

Oh well. I think Buldermar is the last scum personally. He forgets way to much and it sticks to what he imagines himself to be as scum, someone who doesn't say anything that is necessarily scummy, yet somehow votes wrong when he should vote right. Plausible deniability is a scum tell and Buldermar has excelled at it. He has not pressured people, but has taken on a more fatalistic stance, he reneged on a read that he seemed absolutely sure of. And did it using someone he himself thought was scum along with most of the town and for good reason. And then reveals he had no special reason for the read and has given one of the worst reasons for thinking someone is town I've seen in a while. There is so much there, but he never looks in the right places or concentrates on the right things.

His two hunting contributions for scum hunting are things that someone had pointed out or said before. It doesn't feel right.

Part of me wanted to keep Se-Asians here and just ask him to vote Buldermar and then get IaI to vote Buldermar with me. But I couldn't do that because he just wasn't active enough. So this is it.

you hammer after asking a question of buldey in which he has had no time to answer

okay if IaI flips you are like confirmed scum

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IaI, if you're around, I'd appreciate it if you gave your reasons before Majiffy closes the game for the day.

you should have thought about that before you hammered him

stating intent to hammer is not only about obtaining a claim it is about giving posters a chance to post their last thoughts.

if IaI flips scum then you are so dead tomorrow

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*flips town

[pirate mollie]

you have been missing votes all game and the vc is inaccurate if you have updated it

VOTE: rememory

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Thoughts on my large string of posts and recent accusations IaI?

Basically sounds like you think Bulder may be trying to set us up. I share those concerns to a degree. Like I said earlier, if I am wrong about you, he is almost assuredly the last scum and will run with that accusation that I was the one behind getting you lynched all the way to the win.

I still can't see how anyone who reads D4 though could think Mollie, Asians, or I are scum. When I saw Jon was the NK last night, I jumped for joy and said this game is in the bag.

Can't believe Asians and Mollie, who both strongly defended me D4, all of sudden vote me despite the guy I pushed D4 flipping scum! How did his flip cause anything but even more surety to Asians and Mollie that I am indeed town is beyond me

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Regardless of what happens, we'll have lots to chat about postgame. I will have some apologies for some players on the way I acted, and some serious recommendations for some players on how to improve their play. Curious to see how this all plays out and if I was indeed right about you and Kuror as far back as D3.

wrt the bold: oh good grief

cos no one ever hardbusses in order to ensure a scum win

UNVOTE:

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I'll go for that asians guy based on the quote

Vote: SE-Asians

Saved me 40 pages thanks

So you replace and will just sheep the first bw you see to avoid any reading? You won't develop any read by your own or what's the idea behind this?

interesting, confirmed scum coaching

followed shortly thereafter by possible more scum coaching:

Because he gave up and it pisses me off. That is the only reason I am tempted to.

Your first post doesn't reflect why you were tempted to. If that's really your only reason try to be more clear next time because at least, I perceived it as a lot of flip floping.

so which one was kuror coaching?

SE or rem

cos this post is kind of vague and leaves your options open for later if you are not lynched.

I bet you see where I am going with this

there is only 1 scum left but you are pushing for rem and not SE don't you have SE as town or something so why bring up these 2 posts if you are so sure that the last scum is rem?

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VOTE: buldey

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: buldey

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If does point to a town alignment when a town-hydra specifically is more likely to do something as a joke than is a scum-hydra. It isn't the only thing regarding him. We were talking about one thing specifically, which I found, and now you're holding it against me that I didn't find other things as well that you never asked for and I never saw an incentive to find.

Using this reasoning to be 100% confident of a town read is ridiculous. And there was no further incentive because you barely mentioned Se-Asians, you barely made cases any cases for people including him.

I'm not using it as a 100% confidence, but I do feel it weights strongly.

I rarely make cases because cases are fucking retarded

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since when?

I have seen you make great cases

[pirate mollie]

fuck it

VOTE: Remembrance

[pirate mollie]

well, I was going to just sit back and either:

a) watch you 2 duke it out in an intellectual sausagefest

or

b) give my vote to the first person who sent me a dong pic

but A seems unfair since I might not the posts cos tl;dr and I think B is against site rulez cos it constitutes as bribery

so

VOTE: IaI[/vote}

and I really hope I am right about this. if I am not it isn't like I have a good record in lylo to keep up

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: IaI

[pirate mollie]

sorry guyz