Mini 1467 - Arkham Horror Smalltown II - Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is Radioactive wolf a hydra?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hello, LLD, I look forward to playing with you again. For all you anti-hydra people out there,

no I am not a hydra

.

And, yes, my draft for the nun still stands (thank you DTM).

/shuttingupnow

Again? Whose alt are you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Claim : Micheal McGlen, The Gangster

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's looking a lot like no one is gonna take the motivator for the second game in a row.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Will post ours later tonight, going to check with my other head to make sure we agree on the pick.

rly?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi cats and kittens.

Meow.

Radioactive Wolf, I want an answer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wow, I can't even make cult and sk kill themselves, my ability is lame.

You can make them kill each other! Assuming the SK didn't take their Bulletproof thing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: inte

for...

This is the only post made by Toog after alignments were assigned and before your vote on him.

Your aversion is super scummy, and here's why: You are claiming in your post that you want to see how your vote plays out, implying some pre-meditated reasoning for your vote. And I can't find a good reason to vote Toog for this post. So, if your reasoning is pre-meditated, and it's not based on this post, then it must be a gambit intended to find reactions.

But here's the kicker+:

Vote Count 1.1

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

inte (3): kanyeknowsbest, Toogeloo, jeremylu
DTMaster (1): Dry-fit
kanyeknowsbest (1): shaboostein
jeremylu (1): PhDScar
Sajin (1): Blue Bonnet

Not Voting (6): Lady Lambdadelta, Symphony, Sajin, inte, DTMaster, Radioactive Wolf

This is the vote count at the time of the of the vote. Your vote takes place 2 posts after. If you were trying to find interactions and reactions of people, there are 5 other wagons to apply pressure to that you entirely ignored. You could have voted inte to increase pressure on him and get a good read. You could have voted any of the 1 vote wagons to effectively double the pressure on them and see who moves where as a result.

But instead you chose to create an entirely new wagon on a person who had posted once prior. Which to me, can only really serve to solicit reactions from Toogaloo himself.

So if your intent, by all this logic, was to solicit a reaction from Toog, and it was pre-meditated, you would have to have a good reason to want to do that. Which brings me back to my original point. Toogaloo's content to the point of your vote doesn't indicate a good reason to apply pressure onto him.

So, no. I do mind that you're waiting. I will not go away. I will not forget about it or become apathetic. You explain, or you die. See my avatar.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(LLD Radioactive Wolf is Sister Mary)

Oh. My bad for not paying enough attention in the draft.

But even still, he's just a retard playing the Innocent Child the WORST WAY POSSIBLE.

BE OPEN WITH THE TOWN AND SCUM HUNT DAY 1? NOPE LET'S JUST SIT ON MY THUMBS AND LOOK SCUMMY BECAUSE LOL I'M CONFIRMED TOWN.

Get off your ass and do something.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Day CPR: Inte

because N0 results sez so (a la Kayne)

Now with the JeremyLu issue: straight up null tell. V/LA for a week in an D1 bandwagon vote is not scummy. It's the first vote. If we lynch wagon in the next two pages we have derp town (the game is lost anways) or scum wagons (then the people who speedly hopped on the wagon late in the game are ez scum). Kayne gets some early town brownies for recognizing this. PhD gets a pass for the first one on the wagon. Symphony gives me scum brownies for sheeping to pHD but early agreements is a small start. Togee is gets bonus townie cookies in my eyes since he's empathetic with Jeremy's V/LA.

Vote Symphony

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Jeremylu gave a vote and then V/LA. Even if it was a random vote, they should not have done it, knowing that they were leaving. That just leaves a vote sitting

on a person that may be town.

When I said that was a scum thing to do, I meant that maybe they were trying to get a vote in and then leave, while the rest of us argue amongst ourselves.

Kanye, Hito, DTM: Opinions on this please. Specifically the bolded part.

I'd ask Radioactive Wolf too, but they've shown themselves to be less than useful so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So neither of you are seeing the objective bias in the statement "who may be town"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not.

Are you trying to say it's a scumslip? I'm a little confused.

I'm saying examine the logic from his perspective.

He's voting Hito because Jeremy voted someone and left for a week. Very weak and empty, so he qualifies it with "this person could easily be town and they're just leaving their vote".

Which is an awful qualification, given that he should have zero idea about the alignment of anyone but himself in this game if he himself is town. It just doesn't feel right coming from a town perspective?

Like, would you as a townie, say this as a reason to vote someone?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Sajin: Reaction fishing only works when your alignment is also an unknown to people. Part of the reaction is their stance on your alignment, among other things. It's useless to try and reaction test someone when you're 100% confirmed town. All you're going to get is people ignoring you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^AKA I think he's bad and I'd be okay with lynching him regardless

FTFY

Seriously though, I'm not sure he's scum and I don't think I can get behind a policy lynch when we have people like Symphony and PHD to look at.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually,

Vote: Kanye

I can't imagine a world in which scum Blue Bonnet responds to pressure this way.

I mean, it's obvious neither head can play mafia worth a damn, but it's also obvious that he's town.

So Kanye calling for a policy lynch now is weird given we have suspects and wagons to go on.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^AKA I think he's bad and I'd be okay with lynching him regardless

FTFY

Seriously though, I'm not sure he's scum and I don't think I can get behind a policy lynch when we have people like Symphony and PHD to look at.

Actually,

Vote: Kanye

I can't imagine a world in which scum Blue Bonnet responds to pressure this way.

I mean, it's obvious neither head can play mafia worth a damn, but it's also obvious that he's town.

So Kanye calling for a policy lynch now is weird given we have suspects and wagons to go on.

how do you get from understanding my meaning to thinking that im actually calling for a policy lynch? also i wouldnt say that its obvious theyre town. i dont have a strong read either way on them

On a second examination, I came to the conclusion that you were laying groundwork for an easy lynch without having to be the one to step onto it.

He's obvious town. He's obvious bad. You suggested it, and given how bad and annoying BB is it could have drawn a lot of support.

It's not a town thing to say.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

holy shit you are retarded

I'll tell you what. Give me three people you'd lynch right now that aren't BB and why.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

do i need to dig through my post history to find at least 10 instances of me saying id lynch someone for being bad and not actually meaning it? is this a real thing thats happening here?

No, you don't. I know you have a history of doing it, but this one feels different. I've played with you before, I'm basing this on feeling and Gut! >=D as much as I am logic.

So what I want you to do is tell me 3 people you'd lynch right now other than BB and why.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote sajin

how is not reading the pre role pm draft alignment indicative? if anything i would expect scum to be more aware what everyone has drafted (you better believe i knew exactly who drafted what when i rolled sk before. otoh i def dont have the draft memorized this time having rolled town.) an argument could be made for pretending to not know the draft but thats not what youre doing.


inte looks scum too. agree w. hito on phd not bein scum. hito likely town.

But that's not what he said. That's a misrepresentation of his logic. He's not saying Hito's slot didn't read the draft, he's saying he MISREAD it and then voted someone because they're a BP. The logic that the draft is not alignment indicative applies to Jeremy's vote, not Sajin's. Sajin's vote is for voting someone because they chose BP, simply because they chose BP. And while I don't find it to be particularly AMAZING logic, it IS good enough to warrant a page 3 vote.

So you're gonna need to do much better. Why is inte scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I wanna work with you here. Trust me, the LAST thing I wanna do in this game is lynch you day one and be stuck with Radioactive Wolf and BB alone (minus Hito, <3 you Hito).

So give me something to work with. Give me a reason to kill something else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@pHD
1. Not quite a slip. Reread BB. The timing is right (after Dry-fit votes Symph) and reads as a multi post stream of concisousness post. See the triple post and comments - BB's clarification is actually solid with context looked at.

Yeah I see it.
@BB I apologize.

Okay, you 'apologize'...but you're still voting BB. What's the dilly bar here PhD? Is BB scum?

Bonnet's probably town, even if they do the passive agressive "noted" thing that makes my lynchin' hand all trembly. Unconcerned with other people's opinion, but willing to accept an apology, marks self-interested town more than it does prickly scum. DTM's town for 184. I wanna say Kanye too but to be honest that's mostly a tone thing and I got no clue if he keeps the same tone as scum.

Sajin, what's the most compelling reason that I'm scum?

I kept my vote hoping he would eventually speak his mind and tell me what he has on DTM but that clearly isn't working. So now I just have it there because I've got nowhere better to put it. With the fact it takes 7 to lynch my one vote is not putting him at risk.

Vote: PhD

No.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate to agree with this fucking Hudra, but can we just give PhD the rope?

He's asking for it, and I need blood for the blood god.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You don't think a 2 month old account would fold under pressure and swap their vote, Hito?

The "new and bad" argument works both ways.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hito, if you didn't catch on, one half is signing their posts one half isn't. So we can tell who is who but not who they are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate to agree with this fucking Hudra, but can we just give PhD the rope?

He's asking for it, and I need blood for the blood god.

195 was an awful post. But 199 was the town answer of the thing I set up. Scum would have been more likely to find a reason to defend their BB vote or joke with me or find some reason not to swap instead of just falling in to line. In general I find scum players far less likely to listen to flat ultimatums from unconfirmeds than town players.

I'm thinkin 195 is just a factor of two-month-old account more than scum PM.

Radioactive Wolf: How in the world is that hypocrisy? He said "I think this is a factor of scum motivations" and then later "well, I just saw evidence that she did this when she had town motivations; I need to reevaluate." I think he was pretty explicit about what caused his change in view.

DTM if you don't take the time to start reading the game I'm gonna hang you from tallest tree on the highest hill for everyone to see.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLD. Two month me would not fit that argument. Hito said that Symphony bent her vote to pressure

as town in 192

which is a meta call. I get not enough time has passed to grow to the usual meta but it's not a get out of free card to bad play and you press them on it.

If you want my rope then

fucking force a lynch wagon on me

.

The point is that I was responding to his statement of "inexperience, not scum" with the same flawed logic.

You can't then turn around and poke at me for the flawed logic and not him, especially if you were fully reading my posts and not just cherry picking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just checking in. Been a busy weekend, going to a movie soon. I'll catch up when I get back or maybe tomorrow when I'm free.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"In a world, where confirmed town are useless, and decide that a flash Wagon on Inte for very little reason is a good idea..."

How about this, I'm ok with lynching 2 people and 2 people only today. 1 is PhD. He's offered me nothing more to tell me he's town, and I still think he's a good lynch. ESPECIALLY with some of my other suspects fucking around and trying their best to have ANYTHING ELSE be a wagon.

The other one I'll lynch is DTM. Whoever raised the point about the Nun, where he said he didn't know what it did, but very clearly wanted it and stated why he wanted it in role selection, is right. It doesn't add up and it's something he deserves rope for. That plus his play being well below where I know his town play to be.

So, real townies have a choice between those wagons. If this day ends in an Inte!town lynch, I will be extremely irate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why is it a problem that i followed what seemed like a possible wagon onto inte and then back onto sajin? i have expressed interest in lynching these two for sometime and disinterest in lynching phd?

if it makes you feel better im lurking two other games right now too

(you probably noticed since you checked my posting) tho those are just out of disinterest and not for an actual reason.

Discussing ongoing games etc

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to lynch LLD.

Yeah but you've never ever lynched me correctly.

If I was scum, I would crush you just like I do every time.

So maybe learn a little lesson from history, realize either a) you can't read me or b) you're just bad at town.

Now, Kayne, what makes you think the Weak Visitor died using their ability when we have 2 factions both with a kill and 2 deaths? Yes there's the potential that someone took a shot that got stopped by DTM or shot the SK who chose the bulletproof or something. But what makes you go to that conclusion immediately instead of the much more normal "2 kills, 2 deaths" logic?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yah i may have been hasty on that conclusion. i blame my superb vincent lee play from the first arkham

Fair enough. Though I need to ask, did you use your ability last night Kanye?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD or BB is next on the "to-lynch" list

I want to see night actions first

I used my night action on BB. Seeing as how if he is scum (as I think) he could cause damage with his ability, if he is town we aren't losing much by removing the ability from play.

Wait, I'm sorry. You used your Jailkeep on a Nexus-like ability?

With N1 being the most important night for town abilities given the number of factional kills and our 1 shot cop?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I didn't use my ability last night. It's only good if I have a specific plan to catch someone in a lie, and it's negative utility otherwise.

Oversoul, you're up next.

I also don't know if I agree. I can think of a couple of pro town ways to use this ability, but none of them are really all that good without the element of surprise. Ask me after the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a comment to make but I want Hito's question answered first. I think I see what he sees.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wow I just realized that this is kinda open setup O.o

That said, I think hits is town and kanye at least not mafia.
Also I don't think scum would bus sajin d1 so I'm confident to say that whoever was on sajin d1 is not mafia.

I'm sorry, you think there were zero scum on the Sajin wagon?

Remind me again, did you originally start playing on MotK?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think there was any considering there was more easier wagon (PhD)
Also, I replaced in 2 days before d1 ends.

Not the question I asked, though I think it answered it well enough for me. Have you played mafia on a forum called MotK before? Yes or No.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh I did not like that post at all hito

You can wait too

Ok, this is a good enough answer for me to pull this out.

LLD I don't think I've ever lynched you? You've certainly tried to lynch me though. I really don't know which games I have ever played with you involved me seriously gunning for your lynch.

That comment was premature.

@hito, I sent the doctor to Blue Bonnet. Or at least attempted to. I thought he was town and unlikely to be killed and could probably get the doctor off successfully.

I dont know who should go next. Kinda want Kanye

but I don't want to poison any future claims. How about Wolf

How can you have such a solid concrete scum read on me when you are pop-corning claims to a Innocent Child? How much of the game have you read?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh I thought MotK was this game's name.
No.

Kay.

Let me go grab something then, and I want you to look at it for me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sajin (6): hitogoroshi, Dry-fit, kanyeknowsbest, GuyInFreezer, inte, DTMaster
PhDScar (4): Toogeloo, Lady Lambdadelta, Blue Bonnet, Sajin
Blue Bonnet (1): PhDScar

Not Voting (2): shaboostein, Radioactive Wolf

Alright GiF, it's time to play Process of Elimination.

For this game we're gonna assume we're both town. You can eliminate that assumption yourself later, but I'm going on that for the moment.

Sajin (6): hitogoroshi, Dry-fit, kanyeknowsbest, , inte,
PhDScar (4): , , Blue Bonnet,
Blue Bonnet (1): PhDScar

Not Voting (2): shaboostein,

This list is different, because I removed you and me, Sajin DTM and Toog because they're dead and Wolf for being confirmed town.

There's 2 scum left and 1 SK.

So what you're telling me is that, 2/3 of Oversoul, PhD and Blue Bonnet are scum. At the very least.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh I did not like that post at all hito

You can wait too

Lemme rephrase then...

You are purporting to have enough of a scumread on LLD to want her lynched. You also have apparently not read this thread at all, since you just asked the innocent child with no actions to claim. These things seem to stand in

opposition

, and leave me confused. Please resolve my confusion.

P.edit: Aww LLD, you stole my thunder.

Babe, I told you that I was on the same page as you. My apathy in this game is cured.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually honestly, I don't think GIF is entirely wrong. I would be completely content lynching PhD Oversoul and Blue Bonnet, because I think we'd get the SK and 1 scum out of that.

But I don't think BOTH scum were off the wagon. Not by a long shot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to lynch LLD.

No reason and no vote. Why?

Yeah, I'm with Oversoul on that. Also, there's no way that the PhD wagon was scum-free and if it's between bluebonnet and LLD, then LLD it is.

I was going to tell you how had you are at this game, beginning with a comment about how you're confirmed town and yet ended the day yesterday voting no one.

But then I realized something. You're still fucking alive. Imagine that. Confirmed town, innocent child, and neither the SK nor the Mafia were threatened enough by you to bother wasting a kill on you.

Maybe that should be a wake up call for you to get your head out of your ass. All I'll say on the subject.

Now, I don't think Blue Bonnet is scum. I think, personally, if I lynched Overtoast and PhD I'd hit at least 1 scum, possibly a scum and the SK if I'm so lucky.

Oh and by the by, maybe as confirmed town you shouldn't be endorsing players who haven't read the game and yet claim to have some deep and meaningful read on a bunch of people. If it were me I'd be pressuring said person for a read, because you know, I'm confirmed town.

Have the words confirmed town sunk in yet?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to lynch LLD.

...

Pedit: all in due time

Oh, I thought inte was the innocent child.

How much have I read? Enough to get gut scum read on you, and gut town reads on Blue Bonnet and some others. I didn't really pay attention to the roles of people. I popcorn officially to inte then

Pedit: well that probably answers that

BY THE BY, IT'S TIME TO PLAY:

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS THOUGHT PROCESS

Now, I know this will be a tough one, but let's examine this.

Oversoul wants to lynch me, first post, no other reads. Fair enough, coming into a game expressing reads is important. Nothing wrong here yet.

Then he's asked why he says this with no backing. He responds in a manner that, and this is key folks,

implies he has a good reason that he is withholding.

Then, for the final act. When he is pressured by Hito and I catching him out for claiming to have a solid read but not knowing that Radioactive Wolf was confirmed town, (which Hito then goes on to point out that he couldn't have possibly missed it since there was at least 2 discussions about him being Sister Mary)

he switches his stance to "strong gut read"

.

But how can he have some kind of incriminating evidence that he is withholding if it was simply a strong gut read? The only thing I can see is that he was trying to put pressure on me and wanted to then fabricate his evidence AFTER making the statement. Classic lazy scum replacing in maneuver. Make it look like you're developing reads when really you're just fabricating them from nothing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ya fuck what an easier lynch

gogo

VOTE: oversoul

I'd kill him any day of the week, but we should finish claiming actions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i got a town result on lambda last night.

this means if lambda is the sk she took mask of humanity which would be a reasonable choice for already being 1shot bp. this means that dryfit should never track lambda (duh.) as soon as the sk flips lambda is conftown. d1 my goal was to not become a nk target so that i could cop lambda and potentially give us a confirmed 1x bullet proof townie (this plan was a possibility i was considering pregame, hence my positive reaction to lambda taking that role.) ill be much more active today now that i dont mind getting nkd.


blue bonny next

If she is SK that would make sense why she is super gung-ho.

You keep on truckin to your grave, friendo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wanna kill it, can we kill it?

Vote: Oversoul

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: BB

sike

Stop this shit. BB is bad but town. Get your vote back on Toastscum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why are you building a case on me os? what happened to lambda? what changed from the start of the day where you were certain lamba was scum to now where ~maybe kanyes scum? guess ill try and make a case lol~

Can we just kill his ass? LOL

[Lady Lambdadelta]

intent to hammer

and you're waiting for what?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hey kanye what's the chance of scum skipping a kill yesterday night?

With a pseudo confirmed town 1 shot bulletproof? Not very likely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You should jail me to keep me from dying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mod: I need a Action Resolution confirmation. Would a busdriver resolve before or after a jailkeep?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bus driver resolves before Jail keeper unless Jail keeper targets bus driver.

Your role literally says it roleblocks anyone who targets the person you target.

This is open ended, and I want mod confirmation, but it's not exactly 100% across the site in NAR.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh ok.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think we should lynch Dryfit today.

We're 5 town to 2 scum, which means we have a mislynch available to us. Me or Radioactive will be dying tonight (Read: Me) so I'd like to use our mislynch now instead of later, since Dry-Fit claimed scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, this is harder than I thought it was going to be...

Let's just go down the playerlist:

1. Lady Lambdadelta -- Michael McGlen, the Gangster
One of the players I can't read for shit is up first... great...
Well, she did put a lot of effort into the case on me and she seems genuinely annoyed at me. None of that is alignment indicative, though. Also don't like the fact that she made a point against Symphony and then quickly abandoned it after hito and I didn't bite.
Null

2. PhDScar -- Roland Banks, the Fed
Seems alright, and I don't like his wagon. The reasoning behind it seems really tenuous, so...
tentative town

3. Symphony * -- Charlie Kane, the Politician
Not much to go on here. Commentary seems to be very limited to hito's slot; possibly newbtown, but I'm not rushing to judgment yet.
Null

4. Sajin -- Darrell Simmons, the Photographer
Actually, he seems alright. I don't like his verbose style, but I really can't justify keeping my vote on him.
Null-townish

5. shaboostein -- Bob Jenkins, the Salesman
Null
Yeah, there's really not much to be said here. It seems like he spends a lot of his posts defending his playstyle. ...and people think

I'm

unproductive?

6. inte -- "Ashcan" Pete, the Drifter
Eh; not as town as I thought before I looked at his iso.
Meh
Null

7. hitogoroshi -- Dexter Drake, the Magician
A lot more active lurkish than I remember before I read the iso...
What's your deal?...
Null-scum

8. Toogeloo -- Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic

8. Toogeloo -- Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic
Commentary seems limited to DrScar and Kanye. I didn't like the way he went after inte for being a "troll" (makes me think he's going after an easy target) and I don't like his participation in the DrScar wagon.
Null-scum

9. kanyeknowsbest -- Diana Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist
I tend to think that stream-of-consciousness posting like this is more characteristic of town.
Null-townish

10. DTMaster * -- Vincent Lee, the Doctor
Solid null
He hasn't said anything unreasonable, but this text wall posting style is very easy for scum to hide behind.
You are going to be a nightmare to read, my friend...

11. Dry-fit -- Joe Diamond, the Private Eye
Posting is sparse, but I don't like the symphony vote.
Null-scum

13. Blue Bonnet (a hydra of fuzzybutternut and notscience) -- "Skids" O'Toole, the Bootlegger
If he's scum, he wins the Oscar for best actor...ever.
Town

Are we really going to talk about reads, mister I have 10/12 reads as "null" as confirmed town?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Speaking of, it's very telling that the scum haven't tried to kill you once in 4 days.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you die Day 1 a lot?

I feel like you die day 1 a lot. Probably deserve it too.

In any case, I don't trust Hito.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I highly doubt BB is scum also.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

then who is?

im not scum, wofl aint scum, hito high chance aint scum,

ure prolly not scum

its down to kanye who faked a inno on u

and BB

if we trust kayne that means bbs the only one left (obv exclusding dryfit)

anyways scum wont kill me and i will take the JK from phd tonight meaning ill jailkeep BB or kayne next day means gg unless u or hito are super scum decievers

I'm giving you one post to rectify this before I kill you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

are you fucking daft lmao

Right, so why would he FAKE an investigation unless you thought I was scum with him.

No, really. Why that wording? Why would he lie?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why are you getting so defensive? are you scum buddies with kanye?

If I was scum, that would be the only way.

But my point is, that's pretty much impossible because I was shot by the scum (if we believe GIF's claim of his target), so your post makes no sense. Infact, it's a really scummy perspective.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

aite gonna wait for some more commentors before i go any further

Vote: Inte

Scared you'll incriminate yourself further?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

honestly that hito didnt anticipate that worries me slightly.

I don't trust hito dawg.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

think he was bussing d1? sajin wouldnt have got lynched w.o. him

I dunno. I got a bad feeling.

GUT >=D basically.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please explain this. I needed to hear a good joke today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I ain't gonna explain it to the people it implicates that's silly.

(Read: I'm making shit up, I need time to fabricate something.)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think we should lynch Dryfit today.

We're 5 town to 2 scum, which means we have a mislynch available to us. Me or Radioactive will be dying tonight (Read: Me) so I'd like to use our mislynch now instead of later, since Dry-Fit claimed scum.

Come of think of it, it DOES sort of look like Dry-Fit and inte are just waiting for a single vote off of the two of them to win with the double-vote. So sure, we can do it this way. I'm pretty sure inte's scum and it doesn't matter the order, and if he's town, it only screws us out of psuedocops if I die (and as weirdly as they've been delaying killing confirmed innos, they really can't afford to do that anymore yeah?)

Unvote, Vote: inte

[L-1!]

Well I'm expecting you to be using your ability to keep me alive tonight. You should be able to confirm that.

Beyond that, yeah they can't really afford to fuck aroudn with the confirmed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

huh actually how about we prove that im not a doublevoter by lynching dryfit wouldnt that be dope as fuck and i get to become jailkeeper )))

In what world does this logic make sense, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you were town, you'd give us some final reads and self hammer yourself.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is a fucking small-town setup.

We know you're a double voter, that doesn't make you town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want action claims from everyone for every night with results on my desk immediately. Next post you make, or you die. Capiche?

Kanye, you're excluded because I know all your claimable actions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a potential plan, along with my reads and stuff of what to do today, but I need all the actions. I need to know what nights BlueBonnet Bootleger Reversed, I need to know who Dryfit tracked and what results he got every night, and I need to know what Hito has done every night (though I could look through his ISO for this, I want it restated and in 1 concise place for me to look at).

No one votes anyone until I get all of this, thanks. Don't need any quick lynch BS while I'm working on this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mod, can you please prob BB and Dry-fit?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are you serious?

Like lol?

I mean, I think you're scum, so killing you isn't a problem for me.

But like, one would think you'd at least try and look town.

So you're not even gonna bother claiming results?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What makes you think I was talking to you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I will contribute to planning endgame: tonight I am going to do literally the only possible option for me

No you're not. You're going to do one of two options that I tell you to do.

Because I'm in charge here.

Give me my Captain's Hat, Gimme my Crown.

I'm Queen Bitch. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Buddy I'm confirmed fucking town, I don't need to explain myself.

Anyway, I just got done with my exam, so I'm gonna take a break from thinking and come back to this later. I have a plan, and Dryfit not claiming doesn't matter (I just wanted to see what he'd claim for results).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am too, and I plan on lynching him today, I just wanted to see what he would say.

Regardless, I need to plan out what we're gonna do.

Mod: What is the interaction between Bootlegger Reverse and Smoke and Mirrors? What if the Bootlegger Reverse targets Dexter Drake? What if it targets Diane Stanley?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, shocking.

Part of me wants to extend this as long as possible to ensure he gets prodded a shit ton, but -shrug-.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am too, and I plan on lynching him today, I just wanted to see what he would say.

Regardless, I need to plan out what we're gonna do.

Mod: What is the interaction between Bootlegger Reverse and Smoke and Mirrors? What if the Bootlegger Reverse targets Dexter Drake? What if it targets Diane Stanley?

1. As per Rule II.11,

Bootlegger Reverse

resolves before

Smoke and Mirrors

; Dexter Drake cannot change the target of "Skids" O'Toole.
2. As per the individual Role PMs, abilities cannot be redirected onto invalid targets; Dexter Drake cannot be redirected to target himself.
3. Diana Stanley's

Under Suspicion

will roleblock any attempt to target her with anything other than a Night-kill; this includes the redirection abilities. As per II.11, this happens first.

So to be clear, if Bootlegger Reverse targets Diane Stanley, Bootlegger Reverse will be negated and abilities that target Blue Bonnet will resolve as intended?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lylo is almost certainly going to be me/you/bb. this should be obvious.

Yeah there's no way I can confirm my living. No matter what, if Blue Bonnet is scum he can ensure my death, and if Hito is scum, he can ensure my death, and there's no way to trap them in one of their actions.

Dry fit is confirmed scum by his actions today.

The only question for ME is, whether I lynch one of Hito or Blue Bonnet today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

man, i actually think its gonna be bb. if hito is scum he had a pretty fucking dedicated bus, and i dont think thats something you really want to gun for right out the chute in a game confirmed to have a sk.

Look I don't know if I agree though. I am leaning towards Hito.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, while I don't trust you 100%, especially with your interactions today, I doubt that Blue Bonnet or Hito would lynch you tomorrow.

I'm really confident in Blue Bonnet being town, actually. It was my strongest read from the beginning of the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't really comment on the plan until it exists and don't want to bust my balls on Kanye vs. BB yet in case it ends up with me dead or a frame LyLo so have a funny picture

For me I don't see this as coming from a town PoV.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And Kanye, look at the Inte lynch.

Me and Bluebonnet sat on that wagon, and then Hito and Dryfit come in with the 1 2.

Like that hammer by Dry-Fit was scummy, but do you think that Hito coordinated that?

Plus, Dry-fit + Blue Bonnet doesn't make a lot of sense as a scum team given Dry-fits posts today. It feels like he got coached to say nothing.

Also, Hito's not using his ability N1 was scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kanye, the 3 of us are here now.

I've looked at everything and nothing is gonna change my mind atm.

I want to just put this game on my back and lynch Hito.

If I'm wrong and we lose, this game is entirely on me. I'll take all the blame.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause, you know Dry Fit is confirmed scum, and I'm confirmed town.

So like, unless you think this would be better served another day?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, so.

Here's my thoughts.

Blue Bonnet's reactions and VCA speak to him being really really town. If he's scum with Dry-fit, especially given their interactions, I don't know. I can't imagine a world in where that exists.

And while I've been wary of you all game, even voting you early for that policy lynch shit, it makes more sense for Town Kanye to push the policy lynch for a couple reasons:

Scum Kanye wouldn't want the attention and Town Kanye can use the negative attention to prevent the night kill night 1 so he can execute his plan to confirm another townie.

I just, and Dry-Fit Hito makes a lot fo sense with VCA.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Blue Bonnet, are you here?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, every part of my gut says to just take the safe road and let the 3 player Lylo sort it out... but I know that's the wrong play here.

I'm confident in my Blue Bonnet read, which will suck if he's scum.

I'm semi-confident in my Kanye read, but if he's scum I wouldn't be shocked.

But the only thing that makes sense to me is Hito Dryfit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah honestly, letting phd die is just incredibly damning and im pretty sure hito knows it too, but he had no choice about doing it.

im down for crankin the hito train

vote hito

Wait, elaborate on this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah honestly, letting phd die is just incredibly damning and im pretty sure hito knows it too, but he had no choice about doing it.

im down for crankin the hito train

vote hito

Wait, elaborate on this.

jailkeeper at end game is incredibly dangerous for scum? like more so than confirmed town.

No I mean, when did he have a chance to save PhD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry went to eat lunch

Put a vote on Hito, pls.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wanna talk to my other head first if it's all okay with you.

It's not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

n3. phd claimed to be jailkeeping you and hito opted to bus radioactive wolf and i forget who else. the obviously correct play here was to bus phd and bb/inte.

This makes a lot of sense, what did he claim to do again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh god Wolf and Inte? Ok.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why not?

Because, Dry is Confirmed Scum.

and I'm confirmed scum.

And you're confirmed scum to yourself.

So it's either Kanye or Hito to you.

And do you really think Kanye is scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

that "huh huh lld wasnt shot cus they were afraid of my swaps" is also pretty gross

If you're scum I hate you :<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you're town BB, you will vote Hito right Meow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I said scum 3 times.

I'm fuckign exhausted.

I meant Town for you and me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You just said it's Kanye or Hito to us, which is a "no shit"

I have my opinion, I want to weigh in with my other head first.

How about fuck no.

How about, Literally the only lynch happening today is Hito.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If that's literally the only lynch that's happening today why does it matter when we vote?

Because I want to finish this today and I want you voting before me.

Why are you so hesitant to vote before the confirmed town?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I'm not sure Kanye isn't scum personally.

and the confscum hasn't voted either.

He's not GOING to vote.

Don't you get it?

Hito has coached him to say NOTHING. Give nothing away.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

-sigh-

Hydra's are such a fucking pain in the ass.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah BB is also confirmed town because I was literally ready to hammer.

And expressed this.

If he was scum he could have won.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But I swear to god if BB votes for Kanye and throws this game away I'm fuckin done.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah BB is also confirmed town because I was literally ready to hammer.

And expressed this.

If he was scum he could have won.

i could see him being scum and thinking you were trying to lure him into a trap but thats pretty fuckin unlikely !

lol, I just wanted to be the hammer because I wanted to be responsible for the lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

its okay we can all share responsibility : ]

i say this ofc only because i think its the right lynch >: ]

Well it's you or Hito, and I'm confident it's Hito too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I actually hate you.

No, not you. Maybe I just hate Hydras.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want you to refer to my avatar.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

I'm sorry, are you fucking retarded?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think you're fucking retarded.

I'm confirmed town because Kanye has a cop innocent result on me, which means I'm only scum if he's scum with me.

And shockingly, since Dry-fit is confirmed scum, I'm confirmed town.

Not that the second half of this was ever necessary.

You would know this if you read the game.

You would also know if you read the game that PhD was protecting me until he died, and then I forced Hito into a situation where if I died he'd be to blame.

And Kanye isn't 1) a jailkeeper or 2) confirmed town, but he might as fucking well be.

Now stop asking questions like you actually give a fuck about this game and listen to the people who are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, for once in the fucking game listen to someone. This is Lylo and you have a confirmed townie telling you what to do. Voting anyone BUT who the confirmed townie tells you to vote is a guaranteed loss for the town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are you fucking retarded.

ARE.

YOU.

DENSE.

YOU ARE TOWN. WE ALL KNOW THIS.

HITO IS SCUM. WE ALL KNOW THIS.

JUST. FUCKING. VOTE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, for once in the fucking game listen to someone. This is Lylo and you have a confirmed townie telling you what to do. Voting anyone BUT who the confirmed townie tells you to vote is a guaranteed loss for the town.

Umm. We've been saying Dry-Fit is scum this entire game.
And I have read the game, but I'm not one to pass someone off as town just because they say they're town.

IF YOU WERE READING THE GAME YOU WOULD KNOW THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW AND KNOW WHY HITO IS THE ONLY VIABLE VOTE.

BUT YOU AREN"T, SO STOP TRYING TO PRETEND LIKE YOU'RE TRYING THIS GAME TO SAVE FACE.

HOLY SHIT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I ALREADY SAID THAT IF KANYE IS SCUM THEN I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. HE REALLY ISN'T, BUT IN THE SMALL CHANCE HE IS, IT'S MY BAD.

SO JUST VOTE HITO AND GET THIS DONE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this cant be real, i must be in a dream

Oh would you look at the time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fyi you shouldnt be proud of the fact that your retarded behavior is completely believable based on your prior behavior

I need a macro image for this. Help me find a macro image for this shitttttt.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's the thing, though. What you call retarded is in fact not retarded at all.

lol.

Ok.

How about this, you vote Hito and then we talk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

3days to deadline?

vote saijin

i got a town result on lambda last night.

this means if lambda is the sk she took mask of humanity which would be a reasonable choice for already being 1shot bp. this means that dryfit should never track lambda (duh.) as soon as the sk flips lambda is conftown. d1 my goal was to not become a nk target so that i could cop lambda and potentially give us a confirmed 1x bullet proof townie (this plan was a possibility i was considering pregame, hence my positive reaction to lambda taking that role.) ill be much more active today now that i dont mind getting nkd.


blue bonny next

i think thats probably the right choice as well.

in that case i think the following night actions would give us a pretty decent chance of preventing unwanted harm from the mafia nk.
bb no action
phd jail {lambda, dryfit, inte, bb}
hito swap from {lambda, phd, radioactive} onto {inte, bb}

im still thinking if i have anything as optimal by keeping gif alive.

oh wow im retarded and forgot to look at the dryfit interactions. well this pretty much makes me 100% comfortable w. lynching hito and rationalizing his bus.

Wow, Sajin literally just unvoted me without a word instead of answering my question about the most compelling reason I'm scum. Hey everyone, this is sort of an important thing to notice.

I'm down with this. Not answering questions is scummy, and though a lot of players have done it this game, Sajin is someone I would expect to be on top of things and the timing of the unvote does make it seem off.

Vote: Sajin.

Yeah, I targeted BB. Not very intresting. But if I'm right doesn't it basically confirms BB town, right?

No. Why would it?

yeaah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You see these posts? You see them?

The way Kanye was on the Sajin wagon 3 times. Twice officially, but his very first "vote" was for Sajin (except it wasn't bolded). If Kanye fake voted him and didn't bold it, that's some serious mind games he's playing with me. Further, the Kanye vote was what tipped it over. Sure Kanye could have been bussing, but he was onto Sajin the whole day.

Next, his play suggestion policy lynches in Day 1 seems to confirm that he wanted Sajin dead all day 1. He was trying to not get killed so he could put a plan into action. His logic about the SK and blah blah blah makes sense. Potential scum perspective here is creating a motivation for the town to look for the SK after a day 1 bus onto Sajin, and not wanting to eat another lynch. But if he was scum, he could have made this play with Dry-fit, the tracker, and had Hito and PhD and RadioactiveWolf as reasons why Dry-fit wasn't dead yet.

Then, his plan for Hito and PhD's actions was solid, especially given hito DIDN'T do what Kanye asked and did something stupid.

Finally, the logic he displays talking about ineractions with Dry-fit and Hito and Dry-fit and You comes from a town perspective.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm. So you're saying Hito and Dry-fit, yes?

NO.

SHIT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He is a 1 shot investigator. Once he uses it, he has no other abilities beyond being Ascetic.

Further, you're missing the point where HE DIDN'T INVESTIGATE DRY-FIT.

WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OPTIMAL PLAY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your point? If I was scum, he'd have died Night 1.

You're

missing

my[/i] point. Scum wouldn't keep that kind of role alive long enough to do this.

P-Edit: You're basically telling me "Just trust me." I don't trust

Anyone

. Ever.

This logic is fucking terrible.

Just fucking vote Hito.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Ok like, that's the nail in the coffin.

Literally literally, nothing else makes sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Hito

Fuck you Kanye if you're scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, pretty much.

RIP Trollkastel

[Lady Lambdadelta]

because Hydras, Kanye.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BRAINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Town MVP: Team Trollkastel

Scum MVP: Hito

ggwp

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo Kanye, I need to ask you.

When we both decided to not lynch DryFit on Day 5, and you went for BB and I went for Hito, how big of an influence was I switching you to Hito?

I guess what I mean was, do you think if the lylo had been You Hito and BB, without me saying anything, how likely would you have been to lynch Hito instead of BB?

Just wanna know how much of a hand I had in winning the game that day

[Lady Lambdadelta]

well, i was kneejerking onto bb to get discussion rolling. once i actually thought abt it for a second and reevaluated i felt pretty certain it was hito, especially when i remembered to look at dryfits interactions. however i think that if we had lynched dryfit and done a hito/me/bb lylo bb would have voted me for some irrational reason or other.

having you confirmed and there definitely streamlined the whole thing though. i was a little worried that you might not ever really get into the game after d1 when i copped you n1 but im real happy w. the way it panned out.

I almost sunk into Apathy like, twice this game. The day 1 lynch sucked because I was certain PhD was scum, and my reads were just off. I had a dislike of Hito from the minute he said he didn't use his ability N1 (on D2) but then Overtoast was just scummy as fuck and it sort of got me out of apathy. Then when he was town, I almost fell into apathy again, but Radioactive Wolf being so damn terrible as confirmed town, and realizing I needed to be a better confirmed town to help carry out this game got me back into it in time to think about stuff. And really, when we lynched Inte, I wasn't certain about him, but I didn't want him in endgame. It was Him or Hito, in my mind. Because BB was a strong town read for me from Day 1, and you were a strong town read after N1 because of how you played the cop.

In the end, this only confirms to me that I think you played a much better game than I did, but I'm still proud of my ability to be able to pull out the W with you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbf inte was begging for the noose by trying to call you scum after dryfit was confscum. the amount of head in sand to be able to legitimately come up with that belief is astounding. and oversouls lynch was unfortunate but i cant really imagine a d2 where that didnt happen. really im just happy we spent all of d5 highfiving about how much hito was scum : ]

lol Legit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you had such great reads, you shouldn't have been tunneling me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I read the past 2 days of the game

It was kinda facepalm watching from the side, nice job LLD and kanye and BB

ftfy

I was wondering when you were gonna try and take credit for anything that happened this game.

The idea is laughable at best.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You mean the person who claimed scum and the other person who... claimed scum?

Gee, your powers of observation are fucking astounding.

Also, I like how you say that you're so confident in your dryfit read and then take 3 days to fucking lynch Dryfit when he's confirmed scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Go play some Newbie queue games or something until you get a better understanding of how this game works.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I smell butthurt

Tried to put it a little more nicely before, but since you insist on wanting it bluntly.

You're trash. Your hydra partner is trash. You almost got policy lynched day one solely because you are so bad at this game.

The only reason you weren't Policy Lynched day 1 was because I read you as obvious and awful town, and stopped Kanye. I regret the decision immensely. Any game you play would be better off with you dead ASAP, because you're worse that offering nothing to a game. I've played with players who offer nothing to a game. Radioactive Wolf, for example. You actually detract from the game. Keeping you alive past Day 1 is a danger to whatever faction you're playing as. If I was scum with you, my optimal play will always be to bus you. If I'm town with you, my optimal play would be to lynch you day 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your play this game was actually worse than Inte's.

And that's saying a lot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol I think it's funny that you think you're such hot shit, LLD. Honestly, you act like you're some god among Mafia players.
Look at the facts: My partner and I literally pushed Dry-Fit's lynch the whole game. You refuse to give us credit for it because you KNOW we were right and don't want to admit it. I did what I did to make a point. I think it's funny that you want to take credit for all of this. Truthfully, I don't care that much. It's just a game, but give credit where credit is due. The fact that you literally wanted everyone to sheep you based off the fact that you had a strong feeling Kanye wasn't lying is just terrible. You honestly can't expect anyone to trust you that much. You were right this time. That does not mean that you're always going to be right. And if you call ANY player on this site trash again, I WILL have you reported to the authorities and you WILL be removed from this site.

You're trash.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

holy shit you are so incredibly disconnected from reality

Is this just fantasy?