Mini 1490 - Chef Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

VOTE: prozac

[Amrun]

VOTE: kthxbye

Not just saying hi.

[Amrun]

VOTE: kthxbye

[Amrun]

Soon, kthxbye? Why are you so doggedly hanging onto your rvs vote?

[Amrun]

oh my god

that's awful

rotflmao

[Amrun]

I wish I was Gordon Ramsay. I would vote everyone by telling them they're RAW!

[Amrun]

There is probably an equal chance of multiple town post restrictions if there is one.

[Amrun]

Even though that pun was amazing, that's a poor excuse for a vote.

VOTE: jake

[Amrun]

The post restriction itself is completely null. The fact that he's trying so hard in spite of it is townish.

[Amrun]

I can understand his posts and I won't be translating them. It's not that unreadable.

P-edit: why what?

[Amrun]

That post implies the opposite of annoyance, actually. I don't really care that d3x's posts are difficult to read; that has nothing to do with his alignment, and jake's post wasn't concerned with d3x's alignment. He literally said "lol margin for error," which to me is hedging scum safety. It's entirely devoid of scumhunting, which is not an exception but the rule for his posts this game.

[Amrun]

How lazy, chkflp. Are you even voting for d3x?

VOTE: kthx

My first vote was much better.

[Amrun]

Idk. Nullish. Gun to my head I say scum for trying too hard to look pro- town.

[Amrun]

Who is Slovak Prince again?

[Amrun]

Idk. Nullish. Gun to my head I say scum for trying too hard to look pro- town.

I've seen you give scum reads for pretty bad reasons, but this one is really silly.

Pity I wasn't giving a scumread then. Consternating people is a favorite pastime of mine.

Also you have to be pretty fucking high to think my vote on jake had anything to do with his pun post restriction. I have no idea what tree you're barking up there but it is in the land of Nonsensia.

[Amrun]

The fact that it was in a pun doesn't change what it's saying -- that "if we happen to lynch town, oh well teehee." The pun itself is clever but irrelevant. I'm pretty sure basic reading comprehension can tell you that.

[Amrun]

I think post restrictions are null as I've said twenty billion times, it feels like.

[Amrun]

As for that, you started it, sweetcakes. Don't say things like "you make shit votes all the time, but this one is so shit it's silly" and then complain that I imply you haven't read very carefully. I really think basic reading comprehension backs the idea that my vote had nothing to do with his vote restriction and I'll say it a thousand times. The vote itself... Perhaps not the best. I rethought my decision on it and am not there anymore. I think I may have misread some of Jake's original tone.

Regarding the latter, someone ASKED me my read of the slot point blank. I have my actual answer, null, but that's a pretty stupid answer I'd be annoyed to get if asked. "Null but gun to my head I'd say scum" is not an actual scum read by anyone's metric. That's a humongous stretch and I might find it scummy if you weren't Tammy.

P-edit: Sorry, forgot about the question because I don't really understand it. Where else do I see him doing what? Not scumhunting? That's not something you see, but something you don't see.

[Amrun]

Of course that wasn't a direct quote. That's what it meant, though, or at least that's how I interpreted it. "Are you high" etc is just a general thing I say, though -- sorry if it upset you. It is not a serious accusation.

P-edit: what do you mean by reactive? If you think my play has been reactive in the sense of "not proactive," I invite you to return to reality where I began the current leading wagon with active scumhunting. I don't see how anyone can make such an accusation on anyone 7 pages into a game anyway. That's a bad accusation in this gamestate.

[Amrun]

Also Tammy I reread my recent posts and you're right, they're rude. (You were rude first, but that's no excuse.)

It has nothing to do with you. My aunt was put back in the hospital today by force and it's been a messed up sort of day. Sorry.

[Amrun]

It's the Internet and thus, misinterpretations. Alas.

I don't think you're understanding my vote on jake very well. I'm a little confused as to what you are saying it is. I never said he called d3x scummy. I said he did no scumhunting all game and then proposed a policy lynch in what I perceived to be a scummy way, pre-apologizing for a town flip.

And then in hindsight I realized that my original scumread, kthx, was a more grievous offender in this regard anyway and my vote was much better placed there, and returned it. If kthx is scum, jake likely isn't. It looks more like scum capitalizing on a town's suggestion than scum grouping up in thread.

[Amrun]

@thenewearth: why is kthx town? Why is d3x?

[Amrun]

Oh I just bothered to read your faux French shit. Don't do that, please.

Do you believe there is a scum among the post restrictions?

[Amrun]

kthxbye- it looks like you will need to claim- @ L-2

Why?

[Amrun]

No one should ever claim at l-2.

[Amrun]

Quickhammers are pretty frowned upon here. Quickhammer img on purpose will usually get you lynched the next day.

[Amrun]

I disagree. Very rarely do I see purposeful quickhammers.

[Amrun]

If kthx flips scum, rank for buddy?

A macho VT PR claim I do not buy at all, and d3x is totally right that kthx's language assumes d3x town, which is in contrast to his reads.

Lynch this, please.

[Amrun]

I didn't say it wasn't okay to take more time to discuss it. That doesn't make you town, especially with loaded language like that. I was town in that game, if you'll recall.

[Amrun]

Kthx: You're right, it is worse than VT. VT is a good role, but the thing you're claiming is super negative utility and not even in a way that makes sense.

Poor: got any reads?

[Amrun]

You're right, it is worse than VT. VT is a good role, but the thing you're claiming is super negative utility and not even in a way that makes sense.

Yeah, welcome to my world...

I wonder, could I be provable if town has a protection role and they target me tonight? They should get a PM saying I'm not targetable. It would prove I'm macho...but I don't think it'd prove I'm town as there are macho scum roles. It would also take away from possibly protecting scum's target...so...never mind.

They wouldn't get a pm anyway.

[Amrun]

Man, d3x is so town. That's the exact reason I originally voted kthx.

He put down an RVS vote on d3x, then said PeaceBringer was scummy and didn't vote PeaceBringer, and this went on forever. It made no sense.

[Amrun]

Kyubey, why make a comment that you can read me based on meta and then not attempt to do so?

[Amrun]

Yes. As an otherwise powerless role.

[Amrun]

So what's your confusion?

[Amrun]

Sorry. Conclusion.

[Amrun]

I never said kthx was scum because d3x was town. I was saying that d3x is town because he saw the same thing I saw, which is fucking obvious if you look at my posts from the time.

[Amrun]

Tammy, you need to take a step back because you're having some tone issues.

Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying on d3x is so town, but an ellipsis doesn't actually imply separation. Grammatically, it implies that those two things are connected. I wasn't sure which way you meant it, so I clarified just in case.

As for the scumread thing, you're ignoring context. Scum lean is more accurate, but the point you were making is that the reasoning is poor. The post itself implies that the reasoning is poor. That's what "gun to my head" means: it's not a real reason, but if I had a gun to my head and was forced to say scum/town, I would say scum despite the weak reasoning. My post to you responding about it was, I guess, a poor excuse for a joke, joking about frustrating you. Regardless, you were acting like I'd just spontaneously confessed a full scum read on you when that clearly wasn't the case. I also never implied your play is "full of scum tells," but that's not an insult even if I had. We've talked about this before. You react strongly to suspicion on you, which SOME people do only when they're scum but you tend to do as either alignment. My play has been described as "frolicking in a field of mafiascum scum tells" in the past. Playstyle things aren't insults and never have been or never will be.

I still don't understand what you're saying about the whole jake thing. In my mind, what I've said makes perfect sense. The joke had nothing to do with my vote in the sense that it was a joke. The words behind the joke I found scummy. Policy lynches in and of themselves are not scummy. Policy lynches can be proposed in a scummy way.

[Amrun]

And for the record... Tammy, I don't believe my tone in mafia.raptured was haughty at all. There was something you misunderstood, which I took special care to PM you post game about because I didn't want the misunderstanding to continue. Here, I got a little upset at RL things and it came out with "reading comprehension" comments etc (which are super mild in my mind, but clearly more upsetting to you). I then APOLOGIZED, but y'know, whatever, go on being super rude. I have a pretty thick skin.

@Cabd: Are you seriously suggesting I didn't do set-up spec in amol? That's how I caught Mara. Or in hard boiled where I proposed a breaking strategy? Wtf? Lol

I play every game differently, according to mood. I could equalize it, but I don't on purpose.

[Amrun]

Oh wait I think it was Mara. Sorry.

[Amrun]

Mara, you asked me for reads, but for the most part I've shared what's relevant. I don't have a great handle on this game yet. Kthx, thenewearth, Prozac , Maestro are my top scum picks ATM. Kyubey has been pretty subdued as well. No one has really rustled my jimmies yet behind kthx. When I have kind of shit reads like that, playing closer to my chest is generally more effective until I find something really worth pursuing.

Even my main scumread I'm pretty conflicted on because he could have easily not claimed macho. Blegh.

@Tammy: I forgot to add that the reason I said your slot was trying too hard to be pro-town was the awkward, clumsy way the "town bloc" applications were handled. It's not really a big deal, though.

P-edit: I think that's more null with meta. In ye olden days, a neighbor pair had scum in it more often than not.

[Amrun]

Yeaaaah, it's kind of confusing.

I will personally attempt to only refer to them by full names from now on, might help.

[Amrun]

Trebuchet tabby, why would you dislike Elyse for giving me town points in general? That being said, I was obviously the first one voting kthx and that was why; his reads didn't match his votes. So why would she give them to anyone else, if she was going to give then for that reason?

That being said, not sure i like the whole "weird and confusing" schtick from Elyse, and that slot has been lucky/scummy all game. Also her reason for thinking pyro is scummy is really bad.

[Amrun]

Tabby, what does it say about kthx alignment?

[Amrun]

Why all the qualifiers?

[Amrun]

I like post 461, but even if it's genuine and not successful ate, it's correct. It shouldn't be in lylo and I want it lynched today. Still more likely to flip scum than town, but even if town would be very bad in lylo.

[Amrun]

Pretending I said he wasn't scummy or probably would flip town... Nice cherry picking there.

[Amrun]

Where did I say those were your opinions?

I was the only one who said we should lynch him before lylo

[Amrun]

I misread then.

[Amrun]

I could wagon Kyubey. Yes I could.

[Amrun]

Poro are you drunk?

[Amrun]

Prozac is town.

[Amrun]

Literally go look at his thread in the speakeasy. He's barely coherent. Especially in light of that, his posting is really genuine (and also mimics my own thoughts on kthx).

[Amrun]

Uh it's not that he's drunk posting. It's what he said whilst drunk posting. Did you even read my post?

[Amrun]

Right, buddying someone who I had previously been calling me scum, makes sense. Also, expressing a town read on someone is not buddying and it really annoys me when people say that. Buddying has become a completely useless term.

[Amrun]

Rank is town. The way he posted that daykill was town. towntowntown.

need to do some post flip analysis.

TABBY, WHERE ARE YOUR META CONCLUSIONS ON ME?

[Amrun]

Why do you keep posting vote counts? Serious question.

Also, stop naming numbers of scum on wagons. It's 100% arbitrary. All or none of the scum could be on the wagon. Was someone on the wagon scummy? If so, why?

[Amrun]

I'm actually a lot less inclined to vote kthxbye after that flip.

bleep bloop re-evaluation mode.

[Amrun]

I like VCA. Proper VCA isn't about probability at all.

[Amrun]

I think Porochaz is town. Out of that lynch pool, I would also pick PB.

That's not probability, though, it's behavior -- they were on both wagons. But you can't leave it at that. WHY were they on each wagon? In what way did they join those wagons? In what way did they leave, if they did?

VCA is only a starting point.

[Amrun]

Why would you weigh pyro's read of me heavily, tabby?

[Amrun]

oh bullshit, you are too blinded by the personality differences between you and me and your case is only that

You're accusing Poro of attacking your playstyle, but your defenses are not concerned with your alignment. You're discrediting his attacks without anything substantial to back it up. Your defense is "this is null" rather than "I am town," and I think that's telling.

VOTE: PeaceBringer

[Amrun]

So all of a sudden I vote you and he "may be onto something" about me when you don't even RESPOND to my vote.

Yeah, Ph wagon is the best wagon.

[Amrun]

No slots are inherently scummier than other slots.

[Amrun]

See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.

Voting for someone who is RVS voting you is not "buddying." I'm soooo tired of hearing this term misused. I voted kthx because I had a scumread on him. TNE - valid, but I've looked at TNE's games and that slot is scummy and lurky no matter WHAT, and doesn't respond to much of anything, so I'm leaving it alone for now and seeing if context makes the slot clearer. I've examined plenty, and "random posts on others..." Guess what? That's playing the game. I don't post everything I think about a game. I have no pressure on me that I feel threatened by, or that anyone WOULD feel significantly threatened by.

There, now that that's done, "the case on you is stronger than the case on me" is a really scum-oriented way of thinking about vote placement and what you're doing in the game.

[Amrun]

See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.

Voting for someone who is RVS voting you is not "buddying." I'm soooo tired of hearing this term misused. I voted kthx because I had a scumread on him. TNE - valid, but I've looked at TNE's games and that slot is scummy and lurky no matter WHAT, and doesn't respond to much of anything, so I'm leaving it alone for now and seeing if context makes the slot clearer. I've examined plenty, and "random posts on others..." Guess what? That's playing the game. I don't post everything I think about a game. I have no pressure on me that I feel threatened by, or that anyone WOULD feel significantly threatened by.

There, now that that's done, "the case on you is stronger than the case on me" is a really scum-oriented way of thinking about vote placement and what you're doing in the game.

no it wasn't the vote, it was the reaction, and it was suck up to the new guy by jumping on a RVS and push the train. Oh, and now you are saying you are doing exactly what I have said, playing the game. You pushing me into wagon territory is exactly what it looks like, a calculated action that oyu think you can get away with from certain people. I don't buy that you are not concerned about Jack's digits in your face. And now you claim, um, dismiss TNE now cause he is always scummy. This after you listing sever people making accusations but not voting. NOw claim it as play yet those who know you have said, nope not your town play.

This post is entirely devoid of logic. I would "suck up to the new guy" (why would anyone even do that) by "jumping on a RVS" (which is explicitly not what I did, btw). I just have no idea what you're even trying to say.

[Amrun]

I think it's cute the way you guys use meta. Your sample size is so small. I feel like kyubey's non-committal bullshit about is scummy, though.

[Amrun]

See amrun, a read of your play is quit interesting. You start out buddying up to me with slamming on a vote out of blue and criticized his random vote. You continued to do so. Then you went and through random crap at the hydra with tammy. You throw FOS here and there including TNE. Yet, you do not follow up your FOS. You make comments on others posting. Throw in a random declaration of someone being town. Chastise khtx on his poor vote analysis. Yet, then without any real examination procalim PB a good place to vote at a time when it hits the tipping point and you have some pressure from Jake. Mild but you do. It is a far stronger case at this point then the case on me or anyone else so far on this day one.

Voting for someone who is RVS voting you is not "buddying." I'm soooo tired of hearing this term misused. I voted kthx because I had a scumread on him. TNE - valid, but I've looked at TNE's games and that slot is scummy and lurky no matter WHAT, and doesn't respond to much of anything, so I'm leaving it alone for now and seeing if context makes the slot clearer. I've examined plenty, and "random posts on others..." Guess what? That's playing the game. I don't post everything I think about a game. I have no pressure on me that I feel threatened by, or that anyone WOULD feel significantly threatened by.

There, now that that's done, "the case on you is stronger than the case on me" is a really scum-oriented way of thinking about vote placement and what you're doing in the game.

no it wasn't the vote, it was the reaction, and it was suck up to the new guy by jumping on a RVS and push the train. Oh, and now you are saying you are doing exactly what I have said, playing the game. You pushing me into wagon territory is exactly what it looks like, a calculated action that oyu think you can get away with from certain people. I don't buy that you are not concerned about Jack's digits in your face. And now you claim, um, dismiss TNE now cause he is always scummy. This after you listing sever people making accusations but not voting. NOw claim it as play yet those who know you have said, nope not your town play.

This post is entirely devoid of logic. I would "suck up to the new guy" (why would anyone even do that) by "jumping on a RVS" (which is explicitly not what I did, btw). I just have no idea what you're even trying to say.

Okay, first of all you engage in rhetoric and suggest that my response is pure emotion. Now admittedly "sucking up to new guy" is projective on my end but that is how I interpreted your reaction. Scum will do that you know, right? Now you claim it was a "tell base reaction." Well, if it is strictly a "tell based" reaction then why the easy disengage with a macho claim? Your tell not that strong? As to the rest, you referred to in the post quoted "it is just the way I play." I then accused to of a caculated action that you think you can get away with and others will not find scummy. I do believe you are threatened by Jack's digits in your face and do not but the "don't feel threatened" comment. You also proclaimed TNE as being "always scummy" backing off a previous broad sweeping digit pointing on your end. Your defense is "it is just how I play" which FYI is a primary complaint others are waging against me. Others have suggested you play is not your "town play." So there is more going on here than "how you play."

I am trying to be frank here. I have no clue what you are talking about. Wtf do you keep putting "tell based reaction" in quotes as if it is something I said? I don't even know what it MEANS, or who it's referring to, or ANYTHING.

As for "sucking up to the new guy," that's never something I've seen scum do in my memory, no. And why do you keep relying on what "others" say about my play? They've also said this isn't my scum play, but you just glossed right over that (which is scummy btw). Regardless, if you were town you wouldn't trust "other" opinions since you shouldn't know their alignments (or if they're right, even, which they are not).

[Amrun]

Jake, roles play a part and how one plays as a bodyguard is not always how one plays in general. Also, I was a little deceitful and close to my vest in that game, especially re: Mr. Flay, so why is that not what you see here? But yes, I do like to ask questions. I have asked questions here, though not as much as usual. Have you checked to see if I ask questions less or more as scum? What did you conclude?

[Amrun]

Do you plan on following that up when you have the time, Jake?

[Amrun]

Yes, I voted for kthx because FOSing someone in RVS is contradictory to town's win condition and therefore I found it much more likely to come from scum. It was not meta, though seeing as how I think Jason is an aggressive player, him being that hesitant to attack you was really strange.

Giving credence to a reasoned meta argument is entirely different from just blindly trusting a couple of people only vaguely referencing ONE GAME saying "this isn't Amrun's town game," especially when others, even at least ONE of the same people, are saying it's not my scum game. It's a selective sheeping. And I would never do that as town without at least a town read on all said players.

[Amrun]

Yes, I voted for kthx because FOSing someone in RVS is contradictory to town's win condition and therefore I found it much more likely to come from scum. It was not meta, though seeing as how I think Jason is an aggressive player, him being that hesitant to attack you was really strange.

Giving credence to a reasoned meta argument is entirely different from just blindly trusting a couple of people only vaguely referencing ONE GAME saying "this isn't Amrun's town game," especially when others, even at least ONE of the same people, are saying it's not my scum game. It's a selective sheeping. And I would never do that as town without at least a town read on all said players.

Who. Is. Jason?

Oh, woops, replace Jason with Kthxbye. >.> They have similar avatars. My bad! Wooow sorry.

I haven't avoided commenting on thenewearth. I have done so several times, actually. thenewearth is scummy.

[Amrun]

VOTE: tne

I believe this is L-1. Depends on if PB's vote counts.

[Amrun]

Amrun.

you rang?

[Amrun]

Amrun.

you rang?

why does it feel like i have to count to 100 to get you to join the gam?

Is this a joke? I posted like 2 posts before you posted this.

[Amrun]

SEVEN MINUTES before, in fact.

[Amrun]

VOTE: kyubey

Behavior around the wagon etc.

[Amrun]

Oh, and PB likely town due to flip.

[Amrun]

i'm sorry, i exist, was v/la as usual (plus monday) and have been having back problems that sap my will to do anything at all ever

but chiropractors have been seen etc. things are improving. promise to make some sort of effort to catch up tomorrow.

[Amrun]

I'm here sorry post tomorrow

[Amrun]

I'm really sorry about this, blegh. I'm not caught up, but I will be. I replaced out of another game so I could actually catch up in this game and a few others.

[Amrun]

SOOO sorry for this, guys, but I'm totally caught up and everything! For some reason I had the impression that this game was super fucking long and I had so much to catch up on. I saw 40 pages and thought I was on page 15 or something, idk why. It actually wasn't as bad as I thought.

VOTE: kyubey

Behavior around the wagon etc.

Also I wanna know what you mean by this, amrun. Given that I had a perfect opportunity coming in after hammer to be all "my vote is symbolically on TNE guys" but instead placed it on you, alone.

You mean you had the perfect opportunity to come in and do something you know people would suspect you for and you didn't do that?

Total town tell >_>

VOTE: kyubey

Behavior around the wagon etc.

Also I wanna know what you mean by this, amrun. Given that I had a perfect opportunity coming in after hammer to be all "my vote is symbolically on TNE guys" but instead placed it on you, alone.

Oh I forgot. This doesn't sound like you talking to your number one scum read.

I am just going to QFT these.

VOTE: kyubey

Behavior around the wagon etc.

Also I wanna know what you mean by this, amrun. Given that I had a perfect opportunity coming in after hammer to be all "my vote is symbolically on TNE guys" but instead placed it on you, alone.

Oh I forgot. This doesn't sound like you talking to your number one scum read.

I'm trying to re-calibrate after being told I have shit reads and subsequently realizing that such is the case, so if you could stop pissing in my attempts to re-sort this game, that would be great.

This is a scummy post -- distancing from own reads because someone called them shitty and they were like "yeah, they are shitty?" What?

so I'm guessing PB is scum reading me

Holy fucking misrep, batman!

VOTE: Kthnx

I have to agree with them that they were misrepresented here, but Kthnx is pretty town for being demoralized about losing a vote in that particular way.

Oh also tabby there's the stuff with tne. Jake pointed some of it out, but when I get a break from work ill point out my problem with it.

As I said, I was worried it would be a mislynch. I posted intent to hammer, though, because I didn't really see an alternative I was happy to vote at that point. Rank hammered about an hour before I intended to IIRC.

Here's my problem:

I have reservations about TNE because I've mislynched/tried to mislynch him on 2 of the 3 occasions where we've played. On the 3rd occasion he was scum, but I had bigger fish to fry on day 1 of the hunterxhunterx game. From earlier meta dives (circa May probably) I found that he tended to make more substantive and serious posts as scum. Being a lurksack wasn't alignment indicative back then.

You tried to frame it as a lurker lynch. Him lurking had nothing to do with my scum read on him. I was pushing for tne half the day and said that syry said hellifiknow in response to my read on him. I said that it was bothering me that tsp didn't have a clearer read. But you never once asked me about that until I point blank asked you to vote for tne at the end of the day. And then you frame it as a lurker lynch. This bothers me.

I wasn't framing your vote as a vote on a lurker. I

was

describing my own impression of his participation level both in terms of frequency and overall substance. He had 11 posts, and there were some big timeframe gaps. And ultimately I agreed with the lynch. The time I actually did hammer him, it was 3 minutes or so to nightfall, the player who had declared intent to hammer hadn't made an appearance, and he flipped doctor without coming back to roleclaim.

But see you're doing it again, you're just talking about participation. That's part of my problem, yes, but where you were inquisitive on our Amrun read, you weren't on TNE. It looks to me now that you were trying to get backup for an Amrun mislynch that you'd be able to not hold yourself accountable for. I mean I'd understand it if you were interested in more reads, but you weren't here. And you did frame it as a lurker lynch, and you still are, and it had nothing to do with that. And I don't understand how if you did meta dives on him, you were all testy. My meta read and gut on him made him a fairly certain scum read and I don't consider myself close to being a decent meta reader, but you do, so the fact that you just reduced it to participation and still are is bothering me.

Like I really don't know where you stand ffery on anyone, anywhere.

I hammered him in a game where he was the doctor. I did not have a strong scum read on him and I didn't really want to vote him but it was that or nolynch. On DAY 1. At the time you made your case, that prior game was at the forefront of my mind and I didn't pay as much attention to the details of your case as I might if it had been another player you were talking about.

It shouldn't be too hard to discern where my thoughts were on day 1. Today I still think Jake is town. I still think you are town. I am leaning town on kyubey, but it's usually later in the game when he really starts to worry me. However, Cabd didn't seem to get really stuck into the game, and that could have had something to do with the intensity of another game we were both playing that finally ended this week.

Peacebringer I'm leaning town.

Porochaz I don't feel like I really have a handle on. When I can get with mala, we'll discuss.

I don't get TSP's vote on Rank at all, which worries me. I was town reading her yesterday.

Of the votes we've picked up Kthx's looks the most opportunistic. d3x's vote looked perfunctory.

Maybe it's just me but I'm finding d3x even more difficult to understand than he was earlier.

p-edit That at least explains TSP's line of thought.

This, and most of tabby's posts, are pretty hedging, which is a bad sign.

We're Christine Ha. X-Shot Bullet Proof Aescetic Town.

I just want to WTF at this claim, holy crap. But I'm done claim speculating in this game -- play alone or die trying.

Venny hasn't been around, period. He says he's busy with stuff

he didn't give me much other than he didn't like some posts, he specified post 614

and he thought posts between Peace and Poro looked a bit like scum/scum.

And it was a case that you could have answered properly as well.

that part is what stood out to him

something along the lines of sub-conscious coaching I think. I still don't really understand it :/

in any case, I'm unsure if he thinks Poro is only scum if PB is scum

and I don't think that claim is likely a scum role because it really isn't provable, and (IMO) the purpose of fake-claiming is to buy yourself some time. That claim doesn't accomplish that at all.

I still maintain Kyu being town in the neighborhood if it's town/scum but I'm not really even sure there because Cabd has tricked me so many times it isn't even funny :/

It is kinda provable, but it defeats all purposes imo. I'm starting to think you didn't read my posts after the claim.

seriously, roles have kinda fit with claim... so for the blind cook who won master chef last year we have a role designated as someone who cannot be messed with for X # of nights. Seriously letting that claim stand? Here is the deal. Either TT is really just useless town (by way of play and role) or they are scum. I think they are scum. There is no reason not to finish them off, get the flip, re-evaluate. Gotta break some eggs.

Thanks for letting me know to avoid you in the future. You and Jake play very similar and very arrogant for the most part. Screw you for calling us useless because we are not useless for the least bit and we are not scum. I notice how everyone's banking on our lynch and are like "lynch them and then get the flip", but not looking at anyone else, but us.

Besides from a few players still hunting everyone else is fine with this day just ended and it's fucking annoying in the most part.

This post, though, comes off really town to me. Nevertheless, what you do in this situation is kill the person who is roleblocked (or someone has claimed to etc.), especially when you have a town read on said claimee. The chances that it was other shenanigans is not enough to take this person potentially to LyLo, as they will then NEVER be killed as town (and in this case, they are actually claiming bp as well).

Claiming intent to hammer when we feel ready as a town.

I'm almost willing to say fuck it and lynch Armun. This lurking is totally not like her.

A prisoner's favorite punctuation mark is the period. It marks the end of his sentence

Obviously it's not fucking like me -- only when shit happens in my life do I lurk. It's SUPER apparent to ANYONE who has done any looking that it is site-wide, and nothing to do with this game in particular. I do apologize, but it's not LyLo and things are clearing up for me. Thank goodness this game does not appear to be a spamfest so now that I am caught up from my backlog, I don't anticipate trouble staying caught up and participating.


Other news:

Porochaz continues to be town, as well as Pyro.

Slovak Prince is very town today. Their attack on Rank was blundering and slow to build, which is NOT how scum would go after a proven day vig, imo.

[Amrun]

Still? Like, I lurked for a week or something, maybe two, while I had medical issues, and you supposedly blocked someone when there was no deaths, and you're entertaining lurker lynching me even after I caught up? That's not only super town but it makes me less confident in your claim because I think it's less likely someone with a legitimate claim I this situation cares about dumb shit like that. Then again, I do know you have a pet peeve of some kind about lurking.

[Amrun]

VOTE: tabby

I know jake is pretty anal about lurkers, and to be fair, I prod dodged like three times in a row, which is awful.

It's strange, but I think it's a player quirk.

P-edit:

You've played what, the entirety of 1 game with me? 2 that I can think of -- both you Replaced into day 1. The first game you were scumkilled night 1, the second I was. You have no conception of my "usual" play.

P-edit: you'll never see it this way, but you are behaving just as anti-town at the moment. Policy lynching for something so fucking stupid when you supposedly have caught scum that YOU caught is laughable. I understand the frustration with me, and it's warranted, but you're overboard. It's only relevant as to what makes sense in your play, though -- and IMO, it is probably just you being frustrated.

[Amrun]

I didn't hammer btw I just put tabby back at L-1 after poro unvoted.

[Amrun]

I think maybe I'm stupid but I just realized I should have gone v/la for a week.

Drugs, man. They fuck you up. Dem painkillers. Really obvious ideas just never occurred to me?

[Amrun]

Sorry guys. good luck.

Scum claim?

[Amrun]

VOTE: kyubey

But please no hammers until I say something I need to say.

[Amrun]

'the people whose alignemnts I am most sure of today are:

Porochaz
Jake
Tammy
Rank


In that order.

[Amrun]

My question is how is Jake not dead if scum knew he was a blocker?

Is this a joke?

[Amrun]

No.

[Amrun]

Why would you be on that list, pb?

[Amrun]

After Kyubey claims, I want to say something.

[Amrun]

/because he is town.

unvote

[Amrun]

Based on what I know of her playstyle

Nothing? All right, thanks, moving on.

[Amrun]

[Amrun]

Reads?

[Amrun]

Okay, fine.

I am a tracker; I tracked Kybuey on n1 and he went nowhere. This was inconclusive as more than one scum etc.

However, I tracked Poro last night and HE went nowhere, and with Kyubey blocked and no kill, the ONLY way Poro is scum is if scum did a no-kill gambit etc.

I was trying to softclaim cop because I thougth Pyrotechnics was a cop (who had an inno on me n1) to protect them. But, welp.

[Amrun]

re kyub- no suprise in claim. I wondered because he did proclaim TT as a town read in neighborhood and play is sketchy. He blamed it on only having a plain town plus neighborhood role.

Willing to explore other aves...

vote D3X

Wait, why are you willing to explore other areas?

[Amrun]

I was trying to softclaim cop because I thougth Pyrotechnics was a cop (who had an inno on me n1) to protect them. But, welp.

this shit is cray

...Why?

[Amrun]

I'm not as quick to clear Poro as everyone else

uh...... why?

[Amrun]

Yeah, but there was only one scum left, so he would have had to make the kill if a kill attempt was made.

[Amrun]

Well shit, with a doc, I better actually claim.

I'm 2-shot.

>.>

Was trying to draw the nk, sorry.

[Amrun]

why the fuck would they kill peacebringer?

[Amrun]

VOTE: d3x

need another vote, anyone?

[Amrun]

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Amrun]

Can I just say that Pyrotechnics killed it this game? That is all.