Mini 1490 - Chef Mafia (Game Over!)

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VOTE: d3x

I'm town this game thus, he is salt and pepper scum. I don't make the rules, I just follow them.

quick lynch this ASAP.

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vote prozac

just saying hi

PS. ^this is a scum RVS vote if I ever saw one. scum team thus far is d3x and PB. "just saying hi"....LOL

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Awkward (scum) RVS intro and now OMGUS? Just admit your are garlic flavored scum already....

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That sweat...it's like you read the cookbook on how to out yourself as scum.

On to other things, who's your other partner other than d3x? Is it Amrun? Does he give you the paprika for your silly talk recipe?

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1. awkward intro
2. OMGUS
3. Self meta reference

Looks like a recipe for scum pie....need some cinnamon to round it out though...

Hell, I may have to switch my vote soon.

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Question, what are the chances that 2 town have tomato loving post restrictions?

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Make that 3 spinach colored post restriction roles after reading d3x's only post...

That or he is crumbing the muppets cook as his claim...

UNVOTE:

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d3x, pls stop posting like that....pls....or I'll make you eat Brussels sprouts.

Also, nobody answered my question about post restrictions and the odds that multiple town have them.

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Well I have a huge issue because I can't understand a single thing d3 is saying unless I really concentrate. The last time a person posted annoyingly I replaced out, but I'm not replacing out here so he needs to ask the mod to reduce his restriction some or I'm going to have vote him and ignore his posts (not like I could decipher them anyway)

vote: d3x

When making butter there is a little margarine for error

Yup, I 100% agree with this post and the reason. It's policy, but I'm not going to deal more of d3x posts that I can't read.
VOTE: d3x

Saddest thing about it is d3x is 99.9% town because he wouldn't pull this shit as scum and I don't see a MOD making scum have the single most annoying restriction in a game and one that will likely get him lynched because nobody wants to deal with it. If it's NOT a post restriction, then he's 100% town because I know him and I know what he is willing and not willing to do as scum. This is NOT something he would willingly do as scum.

Even though that pun was amazing, that's a poor excuse for a vote.

VOTE: jake

No sir, ^that is a peppery poor excuse for a vote.

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Look, here's my issue with d3x:

If it's a post restriction, it's over the chicken-fucking-brothy top and the MOD needs to reduce it to at least make it readable. There are currently 2 other players who have post restrictions (or are at least posting like it) and both of them are very much readable. At this time, it's beyond readable and I won't deal with it all game. So MOD either lightens it up to make it readable or he needs to die and die early.

If it's not a post restriction and he's doing it intentionally, it needs to stop or he needs to die.

There is no "Take some effort and attempt to understand the posts." bullshit. The fact you're trying to take this stance to make my opinion of his posts somehow scummy is you looking for town points (re: TT)

If you feel you understand d3x's posts, feel free to agree to translate every single one of his posts and I will drop my vote. That or the MOD can reduce the restriction and I will drop my vote. Till then, policy lynch is a go for me.

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VOTE: Jake

I know I have an onion of a restriction and so does d3x. Not sure I buy that there are 3 on the town team.

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Well, there goes my town read on d3x...literally 180 to scum read.

He damn well knows this is my town play.

VOTE: d3x

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If you are talking about peanut butter covered bubble tape mafia, I was scum.

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Lul... Ook. Unsver unytheeng I seeed egeeenst yuu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Unsver uny qooesshun I pused. Bork bork bork! Du unytheeng boot OoMGOoS und sey "d3x knoos better".

Better yet, ixpleeen vhy yuoo vuoold vunt tu Lynch yuoor greetest ToonReed, unless yuoo're-a sooggesteeng thet yuoo hefe-a sumeune-a et heegher thun 99.9% Toon. Bork bork bork!

"Lol, OK. Is there anything I said against you. Is there any question I posed. Does anything about OMGUS and say 'd3x knows better'.
Better yet, explain why you would want to lynch your greatest townread, unless you're suggesting that you have a something higher than 99.9% town."

^that took me 5 minutes and it STILL doesn't fucking make sense. I make oats into oatmeal faster.

When I have an hour or so, I'll ISO you to see if you asked me a question.

As far as me reading you town, that went out the window when you voted me. You know damn well what my town game looks like.

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I don't think we have 3 post-resticted townies. I just don't. It may be my butter-addled brain, but I don't see it. If 3 post-restricted townies is unlikely, then either d3x or Jake are scum. If for some reason we have 3 post-restricted townies, then I hate quadz.

Also, I'm macho, so don't try to protect me.

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UNVOTE: d3x
VOTE: jake

If one of the 2 of them are scum, then it's Jake.

d3x's reasons for voting me are his town game. I have decided that when adding a spoon full of sugar, his reasons for voting me are from his town game. If he wanted me dead, he'd call me town and NK me.

Amrun, do you think it likely town has 3 post restricted roles or do you think it's more likely scum has one of the 3?

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Pretty sure if you actually have read my posts, you'd see my claim.

Post restricted, Macho (due to all the Popeye spinach I eat probably) Town

If it's a name you are looking for, I'm Tyler Capps.

I do have a "3rd ability" which is simply just a vote, though I'm betting other townies have it listed similarly as something unique to their character. My vote is called 2 AM Chili.

My macho and post-restriction "abilities" also have unique names, but I don't think they matter as far as claiming goes.

For the record, my wagon is bad and you should feel bad (if you're town). Especially you d3x.

If I'm lynched and d3x is on my wagon, lynch his scum face tomorrow.

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What's that last part?

"His flips this game have made no real sense and he's not trying to account for them"?

You don't think that 3 post-restricted town roles (with a side of potatoes) is a bit odd? I do. As I've said (ie, accounted for) multiple times. I think one of you or Jake is scum. You are paranoid after our last game, I get that, but you are keeping your vote on me at L-1 on page 8 with plenty of time till deadline. Paranoid d3x doesn't equal a reckless d3x. Town d3x doesn't like policy lynches or quick lynches and isn't a part of them. Town d3x unvotes when someone is at L-1 on page 8 with 11 days left before deadline.

VOTE: d3x

p.edit: p151 I though you may be looking for reactions and what not. Grats, you fooled me. Now, you are staying on a wagon when town d3x would not. Do you deny this? Why are you still voting me? If you were town and actually thought I was scum and wanted my lynch at the end of today, town-you would unvote this far from deadline and with so few people active and demand more discussion. Town you would wonder why I'm at L-1 with nobody backing off. Yet here you are, leaving your vote on someone so far from deadline.

My vote isn't moving as d3x is scum. Lynch me if ya'll want, I'll flip town. If you lynch d3x tomorrow, then you will lynch scum. I'll go for a 1 for 1 trade. Town d3x doesn't let discussion stop....even if he's sure of a person flipping scum. Scum d3x however, is all about it.

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Jake, the restriction is called 'Ingredient Pick!"

I know nothing about this guy either (or any chef aside from chef Ramsey), so I can't help you there.

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Jake: Read my thoughts on d3x in post 199 that have nothing to do with Salt covered post restriction roles. d3x's continuation of voting me at L-1 so far from deadline is directly related to his scum game.

See how around Day 3 and Day 4 how he and his scum buddies quicklynch and reduce discussion. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28174

Now see how d3x want's to extend discussion when town. p992 specifically shows how he wants to take advantage of a deadline extension to get a better read on someone lacking in posts. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This, more so than post-restriction roles, is why more people need to vote d3x. If not today, make sure to lynch him tomorrow after I flip.

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d3x: Would you say either myself or you are scum? What happens when I flip town? Should you be lynched then? Would town be justified in your lynch after my town-flip? If you are actually town, what are your reads then? Hell, what are your reads on everyone else in the game up to now since you apparently have enough information out of D1 to push my tomato pastey quick-lynch.

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Do you deny that your whole case against me up until this point has been "d3x should know I'm Town" {

which by the way, says that you knowing that I'm Town

}?

LOL, that is not at all what that means...you could easily be scum and know this is my town game. I'm saying no matter your alignment, you (at this point in time) know this is my town game and have often commented on how I look scummy on D1 all the time. Hell, that's even the reason for my quote tag. So, lynch me today, and die tomorrow.

To the town, I can't stress this enough, once I flip town, lynch scum d3x the next day.

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And if kthx flips town Amrun?

p244 oozes scum. Not sure if Amrun and d3x are both scum with p244 though. Maybe, lynch Amrun for this post before d3x tomorrow.

Reads change. This isn't d3x's town game from my perspective. Voting him for a policy lynch may not have been my best play ever, but his handicap annoys the shit out of me so, w/e.

As for my lynch, go for it, Macho restricted townie is worse than playing VT imo. I'm not clever enough to turn random Paprika spices into something funny so I'm not even enjoying the restriction. Just make sure you all are paying attention to this wagon. There are scum all over it.

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Scum have a vote as well and could easily have the same onion ability power setup in their role PMs. I'm sure Qwints wouldn't make it that easy to clear town and catch scum.

p.edit: ninja'ed

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You're right, it is worse than VT. VT is a good role, but the thing you're claiming is super negative utility and not even in a way that makes sense.

Yeah, welcome to my world...

I wonder, could I be provable if town has a protection role and they target me tonight? They should get a PM saying I'm not targetable. It would prove I'm macho...but I don't think it'd prove I'm town as there are macho scum roles. It would also take away from possibly protecting scum's target...so...never mind.

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Kthx is flipping around like a waffley pancake in regards to Dex..

THIS right here is why I keep saying d3x should know I'm town. I do this every time I'm town. Either he thinks I'm going against my meta on purpose to throw him or he's pushing my lynch because he's scum. Since he hasn't said I'm purposely going against my meta to fool him in any of his reasoning, the second must be true, hence my flip of my read on him.

And yes, I voted him when I thought he was town due only to his ridiculous post restriction annoying the shit out of me and making me take 10 times longer to read 1 of his posts versus any other post. Now however, it's because of his play being not that of what I expect town-d3x to play.

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Well shit...guess that's what happens when you post tired...

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Yeah, I'm so bad a player that I claim macho as scum. Please d3x, tell me you still think I'm scum AND a complete moron with a macho-restricted claim with a continuation of voting me in your next post.

Lynch me today guys, go ahead. I already lost my vote and it will prove my alignment and then y'all can finally listen to me about d3x.

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I can agree with scum being in amrum and porochaz from p408 and think y'all (seeing as I lost my vote) should lynch one of them today. I'm still not convinced of d3x though but that can wait I suppose.

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I think y'all should lynch me today. As much as I think d3x should know I'm town, I think he's started his town tunneling. It is more than disturbing that it's on me when I feel he should know better, but the fact that he is doing it makes me lean back on town after taking a step back and realizing if it was on anyone else, it would be screaming town to me.

So, this brings my scum pile to porochaz, Amrun and I like the case/votes on newearth.

So yeah, lynch me today and move on to the 3 above and ignore my talk about d3x. Though he should know better and I will chastise him appropriately after I'm dead, he looks to be doing his town tunneling and it won't quit till I'm dead. Y'all will be much better off with him moving on (see my death) than to have him barking up the wrong tree (my lynch) for multiple days.

Add in the fact that my "pr" is worse than being a VT, and it's best if you lynch me today. I don't need to be anywhere near end game and might as well get me out the way early.

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I think y'all should lynch me today. As much as I think d3x should know I'm town, I think he's started his town tunneling. It is more than disturbing that it's on me when I feel he should know better, but the fact that he is doing it makes me lean back on town after taking a step back and realizing if it was on anyone else, it would be screaming town to me.

So, this brings my scum pile to porochaz, Amrun and I like the case/votes on newearth.

So yeah, lynch me today and move on to the 3 above and ignore my talk about d3x. Though he should know better and I will chastise him appropriately after I'm dead, he looks to be doing his town tunneling and it won't quit till I'm dead. Y'all will be much better off with him moving on (see my death) than to have him barking up the wrong tree (my lynch) for multiple days.

Add in the fact that my "pr" is worse than being a VT, and it's best if you lynch me today. I don't need to be anywhere near end game and might as well get me out the way early.

I very much understand the sense of fatalism where posts like this one come from. It's not a good place to act from in mafia.

This isn't from a fatalistic POV. Hell, I only have 3 votes on me. The reason this is a good strategic move for town is because:

-d3x probably won't drop the tunnel until I'm dead
------d3x is an overall good scum hunter and though wrong this time, if I'm dead, he can move on more readily. That's not to say he won't look for scum while tunneling, but he'll spend more time there.
-I don't need to be anywhere even close to a LYLO situation...period.
-My "PR" is worse than playing VT and I will likely forget 3 times again in the future and lose my vote for the day....again. This could be MAJORLY bad for town near end game and turn a LYLO into an insta-loss.
-With the suspicion surrounding me, even though I'm a sure kill for scum at night, they won't do it.
------If I were scum, I'd keep this slot alive as long as possible to get to a LYLO situation with this slot in it.

I don't see any benefit of keeping me alive today unless there is a major scum-slip from scum between now and my lynch. Unless you can say for certain that these "defeatist" posts are 100% from town kthx, then I need to die sooner than later, and I'd rather sooner tbh.

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PB is town

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So basically you completely agree with my p461 d3x?

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Unofficial VC:
Elyse (4) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, trebuchet tabby
Kthxbye (2) - d3x, Amrun
thenewearth (2) - Pyrotechnics, Elyse
PeaceBringer (2) - Rank, thenewearth
The Slovak Prince (1) - Kyubey
Not Voting (2): Porochaz, Kthxbye

-I'd have my vote on poro or Amrun for later VCA purposes. So it'd look like this if I had my vote.

Elyse (4) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, trebuchet tabby
Kthxbye (2) - d3x, Amrun
thenewearth (2) - Pyrotechnics, Elyse
PeaceBringer (2) - Rank, thenewearth
The Slovak Prince (1) - Kyubey
Porochaz (1) - Kthxbye

Not Voting (2): Porochaz

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So basically you completely agree with my p461 d3x?

Nu, in thet I steell theenk zeere's un ebufe-a rundum chunce-a thet yuoo're-a Scoom und p461 is predeeceted upun yuoo beeeng Toon. Bork bork bork!

I seriously can't wait to be lynched so I can yell at you for being so blindly wrong in your tunneling...

As far as tne, sure, he can die too. I'm having a difficult time keeping up with this game and I hate D1. It's taking all my willpower to see you as town because of your tunneling of me when I feel you should know better. I've can only recall you tunneling this hard as town. The only other time you tunneled this hard was when we were scum on our hydra where we tunneled Seanold while everyone was looking elsewhere and it was far beyond D1. We are in D1 and I was almost lynched. I now, using logical thinking vice emotional response, think that you wouldn't be pushing and tunneling so hard on me if you scum and KNEW knew I was town. The fact that I think you should know I'm town is just coming from my POV knowing I'm town. The difference here is I'm the object of that tunneling so it makes it hard for me not to see you as scum ESPECIALLY due to our knowing each other. If you were tunneling elsewhere, I'd probably be sheeping you at this point.

This brings me to another thing. I've already had to claim. I've only recently seemed to look more townie to most everyone who moved off my wagon. Why is it we are lynching Elyse exactly? To everyone on Elyse's wagon, if you were in a LYLO situation with me, are you saying that right now, today, this very second, that you would lynch the other person over me because you believe so strongly that I'm town? I want an answer to this from everyone on Elyse's wagon. If the answer isn't a resounding yes, I think you know what I expect you to do in the post you answer the question in.

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I can't help but feel Poro's laziness for this game actually feels more town than scum. Change the unofficial to:

Elyse (4) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, trebuchet tabby
Kthxbye (2) - d3x, Amrun
thenewearth (2) - Pyrotechnics, Elyse
PeaceBringer (2) - Rank, thenewearth
The Slovak Prince (1) - Kyubey
Amrun (1) - Kthxbye

Not Voting (2): Porochaz

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Four days to deadline. The closest thing to a lynch is only at L-3 (unless Mod counts Rank's..w/e that was).

Nobody voting Elise has bothered to answer my question in p516. Jake votes Amrun (which I agree with), yet doesn't answer it and he was on Elyse's wagon.

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So, what are the options for day kills?

Day Vig (town)
3rd party day SK
x-shot (probably 1) scum

Am I missing anything?

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I though "fuck: Elyse" was you being naughty with a vote. (see p522). That said, given that Elyse was town and on the road to a mis-lynch, this pretty much makes you conf town imo.

So, I'd say 1 maybe 2 votes on Elyse are scum and if I'm not to be the lynch today, we look there first.

Elyse (4) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, trebuchet tabby

After I flip town lynch TNE because I'm the counterwagon to him.

Also lynch Rank cause he's an asshole.

The lynching of Rank isn't happening. He's town. Scum must decide if he's x-shot or not and he will probably be killed tonight just to be safe for them.
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As far as lynching TNE maybe. ISO him. He's done piss all for the whole day. Then again, more than a few fall into this category.

He's fence-sitty with the idea of 3 post-restriction role thing (the idea I brought up about the probability of 1 of the 3 of us being scum).
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I still don't like Amrun, but seeing as there are 4 whole votes on the would-be mis-lynch wagon and at least most likely 1 maybe 2 scum votes there, that leaves us with a 25-50% chance of hitting scum if we concentrate there.

So, if I had a vote, it would switch to PB. A scum flip would make TNE town imo. Could also be persuaded to vote TSP due to being second on the wagon. Could also go with Jake seeing as I'm still not convinced town has 3 post restricted roles.

p.edit: Amrun's p536 reads town to me...dunno why. Just seems genuine not forced. So yeah, lynch PB or TSP.

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Just over 4 days left and this is where we are at.

thenewearth (1) - PeaceBringer
Amrun (1) - Jake from State Farm

Not Voting (12): Porochaz, Kyubey, Rank, thenewearth, Pyrotechnics, d3x, Amrun, The Slovak Prince, trebuchet tabby, Kthxbye

Get in here and post/vote people. I would suggest limiting votes and wagons to 1 of the following for today. Does anyone disagree with the logic and/or odds of 1 scum on the Elyse wagon.

Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, Kthxbye

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Note: I left out TT because I have a very high town read on them atm

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Why do you keep posting vote counts? Serious question.

Also, stop naming numbers of scum on wagons. It's 100% arbitrary. All or none of the scum could be on the wagon. Was someone on the wagon scummy? If so, why?

It's close to deadline and it's information that is both handy and informative to make good decisions. If you don't like it, just pretend it's for my easy reference.

I disagree whole-heartily about it being arbitrary. VCA is a thing and it is a good thing as it deals with probabilities and logic. Saying its 100% arbitrary is just ridiculous. Look at the 2 larger wagons today. One on me to the point of claiming and one being slowly pushed till deadline. Both are on town for their 'scummy actions'. Obviously these 'scummy actions' didn't mean Elyse was scum and as I'm not scum, neither were any of the 'scummy actions' leading to lynching scum with my wagon. That does remind me though....

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Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,

Rank

, Amrun,

Jake from State Farm

,

Elyse

,

Porochaz

,

PeaceBringer

Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -

Jake from State Farm

, The Slovak Prince,

PeaceBringer

, trebuchet tabby,

Porochaz

, (

Rank

)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.

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So your thoughts on p552 are....?

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I didn't list them in order of vote spot. Do you think the order in which votes happened are important? If so, why are they important. What do you think they say about you, PB, and Jake?

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Iff it's betveee Emroon und PB, it's nut ifee a qooesshun.

In as few messed up words as possible, why is this the case?

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for there being only 20 hours left of the day, y'all are dragging your feet pretty spectacularly...

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Totally unofficial VC:

PeaceBringer (4) - thenewearth, Porochaz, Amrun, d3x
thenewearth (3ish) - Pyrotechnics, Jake from State Farm, (PeaceBringer)
Amrun (1) - The Slovak Prince
Kthxbye (0) -
The Slovak Prince (0) -
d3x (0) -
Kyubey (0) -
Jake from State Farm (0) -
Rank (0) -
Porochaz (0) -
trebuchet tabby
Pyrotechnics

Not Voting (4): Kyubey, Rank, trebuchet tabby, Kthxbye

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Woot, eat a noodley peppy scum!

Now the question is: Do we try and find scum in the not voting section or the voting for TNE section?

I will say that with the way that the lynch turned around from PB (quickly and with ease), it jumps PB to the top of my town list and most if not all those voting for TNE at the end of the day very townie as well. I'd say we look for scum in the pile of:

Poro, Kyubey, or trebuchet tabby

There is also the idea that we need to get me out of the game before too long as well.

Also, unless d3x put this in as a super play to confuse me thoroughly,

Em I zee oonly oone-a thet's unnerfed by hoo fest und iesy thet Lynch joost vent doon? Bork bork bork! I knoo zee deedleene-a ves fest eppruecheeng, boot steell...

makes me sold that he's town.

p.edit: WTF are those lists? We have 5 people not on the super quick and easy lynch of scum. With how neck and neck PB and TNE were until less than 24 hours to deadline, I don't see scum going for a final push onto a partner. I'm not comfy with including anyone on the TNE lynch as possible lynches today. It makes no sense to me.

VOTE: Kyubey

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d3x; kthnxbye, pyrotechnics, amrun is my starting point. At least one there.

^this is so not town thinking.

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Jake, you should vote Kyubey instead. I'll even one up you.

Pretty please with a cherry on top?

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d3x; kthnxbye, pyrotechnics, amrun is my starting point. At least one there.

^this is so not town thinking.

Shit...day just started and strike one. I'm going to fail cooking school because I can't even remember how to cook rice. FML

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I think Rank should (if able) shoot Tabby (for Jake) and we can move on to lynch Kyubey. Jake seems pretty confident in his read there and I feel pretty confident in Jake being town atm. I feel confident in my Kyubey read atm as well.

Chocolate Chip Cookie Grilled Cheese

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Something about how Jake cooks his pancakes and eggs with a side of sausage makes me think I should: Also, I'd probably protect Jake tonight protective role guy. (I assume you protected Rank last night whoever you are).

VOTE: tabby

Also, I'd probably protect Jake tonight protective role guy. (I assume you protected Rank last night whoever you are).

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Something about how Jake cooks his pancakes and eggs with a side of sausage makes me think I should:

VOTE: tabby

Also, I'd probably protect Jake tonight protective role guy. (I assume you protected Rank last night whoever you are).

This probably makes a little more sense with whole milk.

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Pyro: Why haven't you placed your broccoli and cheese covered vote on Kyubey? I like your thoughts on Kyubey, just wondering why they aren't followed up with a chocolatey vote. Also, what do you think about Jake's confidence with his read/vote on tabby?

Tabby/Kyubey team? Could it be so easy? Either way, I think 1 of those 2 needs to hang today.

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Jake: there is one main reason I'm not voting kyubey and voting tomato tabby with you....what is the percentage you would give tabby flipping scum?

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Dang...was hoping for a 100% no doubt. Thought you were soft claiming a result.

I would give Kyubey a pretty good chance (75% maybe?). Ky is my top scum read at this point, but I don't know. The percentage of surety is slightly lower now with Pyro mirroring my thoughts about K but not throwing down a vote. That and p801. Not sure what to make of that special sauce. All in all, Kyubey strikes me as slightly more scummy than Tabby...though I COULD easily see both of them as scum.

VOTE: Rank

This also bothers me more than a little cheese sauce mixed with cauliflower. I want to hear TSP's thoughts before we decide on any lynch. Kyubey's response to this is the reason my vote is still on tabby atm.

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Kyubey's response to this is the reason my vote is still on tabby atm.

What? I don't see how my response to marangal's vote makes your vote on tabby?

Your response to the WTF moment carrot boy (TSP) made was exactly what came to my mind when I read his vote with nothing else. I'm town and so since you posted a similar thought to known town, it lessened my surety of you being scum just enough to continue voting Tabby.

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so I'm guessing PB is scum

So you think we were lynching scum no matter what yesterday? And you think that scum let their 2 shot RB PR get lynched over PB? What scum PR do you speculate him to be that he would be saved over their pistachio loving RB? Lastly, where is your vote?

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so I'm guessing PB is scum reading me

Holy fucking misrep, batman!

VOTE: Kthnx

Way to
A: not answer any of my lettuce wrapped questions and
B: make yourself look bad

On the plus side, I actually give you town points for that post seeing as unless you are unbelievably moronic scum (possible I suppose), you're more likely simply VI with that post and vote.

Seriously. How do you call me quoting you saying something as a misrep? Walk me through your thought process. Please explain how that is a misrep, because I'm not sure you understand what a misrep is.

Oh, and answer the questions.

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ahhhhh....yeah...I misread that.

"so I'm guessing PB has a scum read on me. Enough to yank any...."

^that is not how I read it at all. Thus the questions. I read it as:

"so I'm guessing PB is scum. He's reading me enough to...." I will admit I wasn't following what the latter part meant under this way of reading it but people often don't make much sense on MS.

I thought you were calling him scum for not answering your setup spec questions within the neighborhood.

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Kill the cat! (I think the mod should consider 'cat' as an ingredient...but just in case...)

pumpkin spice.

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I'm waiting on more Tabby votes. So far I'm unimpressed with her reaction to her wagon.

I could swing back to Kyubey easily as I still don't feel comfy with that slot. I don't like how quiet he is with pressure off him and on Tabby.

I also don't like that after we lynched nutmeg scum D1, PB was called prob-town because of being the 'counter wagon' and is now super inactive...which is completely opposite of his activity yesterday.

d3x gets a pass for a few more days. He'll be more active in a few. Also, he's prob town since I didn't die last night and probably wasn't targeted. Only way I was targeted and not killed would be a successful RB.

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Tabby's play does not fit trying to get NK'ed at night. In order to be NK'ed, scum generally need to feel threatened by you. If you're BP and play lurky and safe, you're doing it wrong or you're lying. Gonna go with the later.

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Poro, you mean the "mis-rep" that I explained as mis-reading? You either buy my explanation or you don't. You seem to NOT buy it yet vote kyubey anyway? If you don't buy it, your vote should be on me as you would think I'm lying about my explanation and town have no reason to lie so....what's up?

I will say however, tabby's role actually does seem verifiable....at least the Ascetic part...then again, wouldn't be surprised to see Ascetic be part of a scum role at all so...

UNVOTE: for now. I'm debating the tabby lynch in my head. I could see Ascetic as a scum modifier but p884 seems genuine. Plus d3x needs to get back in the game and we aren't anywhere near a deadline so no need to rush a lynch.

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Jake, you're really gonna have to say more to prove that Tabby is a good enough lynch to lynch this early with people who aren't posting and what not. You didn't address my comment about her/their p884 seeming genuine or anything. Facepalming isn't going to make me or anyone jump to follow you. Hell, I was originally on their because I thought you had PR evidence making her scum. You've since then hinted that you don't. I remained on because of the lack of activity while having so many votes, but I can't shake my gut on p884. So, instead of posting longer jokes than your content posts, try convincing and make a nice little concise case that points to her being scum instead of facepalming.

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FML...doesn't matter anyway...I just lost my vote...again.

Fucking lynch me already, I'm useless.

Spoiler:

Fucking bullshit stupid ass post restriction bullshit....At least Jakes and d3x's are interesting post restrictions....add a fucking ingredient in your post....so fucking....fuck!

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VOTE: tabby

shhhh, don't tell the MOD

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TT: Full reads list pretty please

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It's sad. I care a lot less about this game when I lose my vote.

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Hammer tabby already. This day is done. Cooked some would say. Stick a fork in it.

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and your scumspects are terribad

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I'm back to thinking d3x may be scum.

d3x not pushing a lynch makes me wary. Let's lynch him instead

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Nope, pretty sure TT is gonna flip town now. Hindsight...it's 20/20. p1031 is a town death. It's a lazy as fuck town death, but a town death the same. A good town death would be giving advice to the town on where to look and reasons why you think certain people are scum and pointing out those on your wagon who are likely scum and etc....

I hope you don't wonder why you were lynched TT.

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VOTE: kyubey

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ouch Amrun, very ouch.

What cheesy info do you have? we have 2 days down and 2 scum down. If we can narrow the search with claims, why the hell not. Hell, we can make me the noodles lynch for today for the default after claims so you know this isn't a PR hunting suggestion from scum. I'm already down to screwing up 1 more time before I lose my vote again.

My question is how is Jake not dead if scum knew he was a blocker?

We know I'm not going to die anytime soon as my role SUCKS, and it seems Amrun has info. Do we loose something from an MC at this point?

Kyubey is L-3 currently

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Unofficial VC

d3x (2) - Pyrotechnics, Kyubey
Kyubey (2) - Kthxbye, Porochaz
Kthxbye (0) -
PeaceBringer (0)

Not Voting (6): Jake from State Farm, d3x, Rank, Amrun, PeaceBringer, The Purple Plague

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-03 08:13:14).

Plan is fine and dandy and all, BUT d3x shouldn't bet lynched today. I know d3x IRL and if he was scum, I'd already be dead and he'd be more active. Also, VCA doesn't support him being scum.

Spoiler: Day kill VC

Elyse (3) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer,

TT

, (Rank day kill)
Kthxbye (2) - d3x, Amrun

thenewearth

(2) - Pyrotechnics,

Elyse

PeaceBringer (2) - Rank, thenewearth
The Slovak Prince (1) - Kyubey

Spoiler: D1 Lynch VC

thenewearth

(7) - Pyrotechnics, Jake from State Farm, d3x, Amrun, PeaceBringer, The Slovak Prince, Rank
PeaceBringer (2) -

thenewearth

, Porochaz
Not Voting (3): Kyubey,

trebuchet tabby

, Kthxbye

Spoiler: D2 Lynch VC

trebuchet tabby

(6) - Jake from State Farm, PeaceBringer, d3x, Rank, Amrun, Porochaz
Kthxbye (1) - Kyubey
Porochaz (1) - The Slovak Prince
Not Voting (3):

trebuchet tabby

, Pyrotechnics, Kthxbye

Basically, I think kyubey looks like scum looking at the VC's. If you guys want d3x over kyubey and I'm still in question, I'd suggest getting rid of my useless mushroom ass first.

Does anyone want to put together a N1, N2 actions list from what people have claimed so we can have it all in one post?

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Look guys. I can't see d3x being scum. I can't see him lynching BOTH his partners on D1 and D2 and bussing as early as he would have had to do if he were scum. d3x is a strong town read. There is a possibility that I haven't seen and that is 2 scum and a 3rd party (cough Rank cough), BUTTER, I don't think that road needs to be gone down at this time. I know I'm town so that leaves PB and Kyubey. I'm going to try and track down all the claims and action claims to see if I can make more sense of this but a d3x lynch shouldn't be happening today and I'm gonna ask that you trust me on this since I know him and I can't see a way this is scum-play from him.

d3x-------------------Post Restricted ?????
Porochaz--------------?????
Purple Plague----------?????
Kyubey----------------Neighbor with PB
Kthxbye---------------Post Restricted Macho VT
Rank------------------Post Restricted 1 shot Day Vig------------Shot town D1
Pyrotechnics----------Hider-------------------------------------N1 hid behind Amrun, N2 hid behind The Purple Plague
Amrun----------------Tracker-----------------------------------N1 tracked Kyubey (no result), N2 tracked Poro (no result)
PeaceBringer----------Neighbor with Kyubey
Jake from State Farm--Post Restricted 2-shot Role Blocker---------N1 blocked TT, N2 blocked Kyubey

Feel free to fill in the blanks, but from the above, I feel that:

Town:

Me
Jake
Rank
Pyro
Amrun
The PP

That leaves:

d3x
Poro
Kyubey
PB

I'm not as quick to clear Poro as everyone else and I left d3x out of the town group because I can't PROVE he's town but it's based on gut. My money is on last scum being one of the neighbors.

I'd say we figure out what the question marks in the above list are and lynch one of the neighbors and hide behind the other.

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Unofficial VC

d3x (4) - Pyrotechnics, Kyubey, PeaceBringer, The Purple Plague (L-2)
Kyubey (2) - Kthxbye, Porochaz

Not Voting (6): Jake from State Farm, d3x, Rank, Amrun

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-03 08:13:14).

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MOD: Do you count the sugary unofficial VC post 1186 as a post I didn't include an ingredient?

If so, I lose my vote next time I forget

p.edit: Because the only thing 'clearing' him is that he wasn't tracked to a kill that didn't happen? That doesn't make him town but it does make me less inclined to go after him before the neighbors.

peppers.

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I would marinate d3x with some BBQ sauce before going after Poro as well. I just want to make sure we aren't clearing him too early. If I were scum, I'd go for a no kill last night seeing as both my partners were dead and town has PR's everywhere.

Honestly, I don't know why y'all aren't more inclined to think one of the neighbors is scum over someone who has been on both scum lynches (d3x). It could be that I neighborized d3x in our last game while I was scum.../shrug.

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Yeah, but there was only one scum left, so he would have had to make the kill

if a kill attempt was made.

This is 100% correct, I'm just not certain a kill attempt was made. That and although I've only had a few run-in's with neighborhoods, most of them I have experienced have scum in them which is why they are neighborhoods vs masonry's to begin with. Just my thoughts on it. It's not 100% but it's a good place to start I think. Either way, we have a hider clearing people and a tracker tracking so....

Reading over some things, I'm actually more inclined to add a teaspoon of salt and

VOTE: PB over Kyubey at this time.

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d3x-------------------Post Restricted ?????
Porochaz--------------?????
Purple Plague---------Hated
Kyubey----------------Neighbor with PB
Kthxbye---------------Post Restricted Macho VT
Rank------------------Post Restricted 1 shot Day Vig------------Shot town D1
Pyrotechnics----------Hider-------------------------------------N1 hid behind Amrun, N2 hid behind The Purple Plague
Amrun----------------Tracker-----------------------------------N1 tracked Kyubey (no result), N2 tracked Poro (no result)
PeaceBringer----------Neighbor with Kyubey
Jake from State Farm--Post Restricted 2-shot Role Blocker---------N1 blocked TT, N2 blocked Kyubey

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d3x-------------------Post Restricted ?????
Porochaz--------------?????
Purple Plague---------Hated
Kyubey----------------Neighbor with PB
Kthxbye---------------Post Restricted Macho VT
Rank------------------Post Restricted 1 shot Day Vig------------Shot town D1
Pyrotechnics----------Hider-------------------------------------N1 hid behind Amrun, N2 hid behind The Purple Plague
Amrun----------------Tracker-----------------------------------N1 tracked Kyubey (no result), N2 tracked Poro (no result)
PeaceBringer----------Neighbor with Kyubey
Jake from State Farm--Post Restricted 2-shot Role Blocker---------N1 blocked TT, N2 blocked Kyubey

Flour

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MOD: Not sure how p1197 slipped in there as I previewed and added the ingredient before I posted it. Please (with cherry's on top) delete it.

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Please PB, what about my carrot claim does not fit with the rest?

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Also PB, do you think your cookies and cream neighborhood is a town neighborhood?

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Well, if we have pepper protection, it's Poro or d3x.

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Chocolate
VOTE: Kyubey

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Kyubey (6) - Porochaz, d3x, The PP, kthxbye, Jake, PB

That's a pepperoni lynch. My guess is he's going to flip town and PB is scum.

Poro needs to claim IMO and PB is tomorrow's lynch if Kyubey flips town.

That is all.

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hrm....sounds good actually. kinda concerned about poro in this instance, but best thing we got I think. Without a tracker or RB shot left, hider and doc are our best shot. If PB ends up being town, then scum is poro or d3x I think with my peanut brain. I don't see d3x being scum so it'd have to be poro.

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IF PB is town, quick lynch me tomorrow and they quick lynch poro after that. I don't see d3x as town and if PB isn't scum, then that's pretty much all that's left.

flour

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d3x as scum*

flour

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Depending on the MOD, we may not have a tortilla lynch.

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Well, goodbye d3x buttery popcorn town read.

Sorry, but the only way scum actually goes for Peacebringer (and Pyro) for the 2 for 1 NK is if they know Pyro isn't going to be protected. No way anyone is going to get me to believe that scum targeted PB (and pyro) if they think d3x is going to protect them and thus 'clear' d3x, PB and pyro.

I see d3x + buddy going for the 2 for 1 and sacrificing d3x today because they 'knew' who pyro was going to 'hide' behind last night.

I can't see scum going after PB any other way than knowing he was going to die and them thinking they'd get a 2 for 1 with a sacrifice.

VOTE: d3x

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yeah...the more my m&m sized brain thinks about it, the more I don't see how d3x can be town.

1. everyone has a "power". Therefore it's logical that just because I'm macho, doesn't mean there must be a doc
2. scum d3x know's I'm macho very early on and thus a doc fake claim is logical
3. if d3x was town, scum would know this. Thus, scum would have no reason to think d3x was lying/gamibiting/etc about him being an odd night doc. Thus, they would not target PB last night else miss yet another NK due to targeting a claimed doc protected townie
4. it's logical that scum, knowing who a hider is hiding behind would go for the 2 for 1 not knowing pyro was only 2 shot and out of hides. I'm guessing d3x's p1243 was established last night when they targeted PB (and pyro). Worse case for them, they get 2 town kills for 1 scum lynch today. Best case, we all believe p1243 and d3x lives another day and they get a town mis-lynch today.

No. d3x is not town and y'all need to get on board with voting him now. Rank is probably his scum-buddy

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Oh, and d3x, don't try and pull a "I went with it so scum would target me last night" BS. IF you were town and IF scum were to not target PB because of your claim (which was false), they could easily have targeted someone else anyway seeing as you claimed odd night and they could just take care of you tonight (a night you were powerless anyway). So, yeah, die scum-d3x die. You should stick with killing me in games where you're scum and I'm town from now on. Might save you from my genius.

d3x: kthxbye, The PP

now, purple, you wrote:

Vote: Rank

power fits well with scumteam
his ability is most likely being able to shoot during the daytime and skipping a kill at night
ffery choosing to shoot jake N1 over Syr/Tammy/Cabd/maaaaybeevenmara is not her strategy as scum, so doc power probably didn't stop the kill

and then you wrote:

"rank is probably his scum-buddy"
no.

explain

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two scum flipped.
why are you still looking for two more?

Cuz I'm chocolate flavored dumb.

Not so sure d3x pulls a move like this as scum now. That's pretty much a game ender for him. That said, scum targeting PB under the assumption d3x was going to protect him doesn't make much sense either so...

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Kthnxbye - how often do you let d3x live when you're scum?

The one time (I can recall) that I've been scum and d3x town I was a neighborizer and I actually neighbored him (ie let him live). I was an SK once while he was town and I think I let him live then too. It's hard for me to kill him off.

I've thought of only two scenarios that scum (someone not d3x) NK targets PB.

That last scum is a role cop and knew d3x was 2-shot and not odd night and bet on his shots being used N1 and N2.

I don't happen to think that the above is likely, thus d3x is scum. I just can't see a reason why not-d3x-scum would target a seemingly protected town when they know (from claims) we don't have a tracker/watcher and think (from claims) that PB is going to be protected!

I'll be interested to see what d3x says to this, but I doubt I'll be swayed.

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@Kthx- If I were Scum, why wouldn't I just set up a fake Protect to 'prove' my Claim? It sure beats the hell out of drawing a freaking huge amount of attention down on myself for something I'd know I'd catch heat for.

Why would town-you go through with the 'plan' for last night when town-you would have thought you'd be putting possible 2 town in danger over 1 since you couldn't protect?

What did you expect to happen last night with your 'fake' protect?

Also, I don't put it past you to pull a gambit like this as scum thinking you could talk your way out of it and thinking the 2 for 1 worth it. If anyone could pull it off, it's you.

Who's scum if not you?

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SCUMCLAIM

Vote: d3x

good game, d3x.

Pretty much. If town-d3x were doomed, I very much expect more than a cup full of bullshit broth like p1320. I expect town-d3x to post a way ahead for town consolidating his town and scum reads and reasons for them. I expect his reasons for his actions even if he's doomed. I expect him to analyse his wagon and correlate who is most likely scum on voting him in conjuntion with his reads. p1320 reads as 'my scum team sucked and I no longer care about this game'.

d3x (4) - Kthxbye, The Purple Plague, Jake from State Farm, Pyrotechnics

Need one more for lynch.

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OK. This should be a grape colored GG.

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Wow.....you....you.....you blew me up....

Figures.

Anyway, GG ya'll.

d3x, I am curious as to what you were going to try and pull today. That or you were just tired of the game at this point and didn't give a rats? I'd be annoyed too with 2 team members down D1 and D2 due to their own fault.