Mini 1578: Lord of the Rings!! - GaME OVeR
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OMG LOL.
Reinoe wagon is AAAAAAWWWWWWWFULLLLLLLLLL. Even if he is scum. Which I hope he is not.
I do not rank scum explicitly, because my choice of lynch target is not necessarily the person I find most scummy, if I consider someone most scummy at all.In post 66, reinoe wrote:How Do You Make Your Scum list? Do you rank your scum or are they all interchangeable?
I do not always provide reasons for my votes; they always have reasons behind them, even if that reason is probing in nature.Do You Vote without a reason in order to gauge reactions or do you like giving a reason for your votes?
Irrelevant regarding reads. Relevant toward most other things.Do You Value "consistency" or is that irrelevant to you?-
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We had proper discussions. We also had players portraying shite votes as legit.In post 105, Fail Hydra wrote:That was an RVS vote, they have silly reasons like that! It wasn't serious and I have no idea why you're overreacting like this. No one would have hammered you, not until proper discussion about it was had.
Wow, I almost believe this is not canned. What database of Things that Sound Townish do you use?And if you are town, I'd like you to know that you've taken away some of the best information - the hammer. The hammer vote is so important for finding scum (at least in my scumhunting tactics it is) that by taking that away from town, you've hurt towns chances at finding scum off of your wagon.-
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Are you telling us what we should say to you tomorrow if reinoe flips town?In post 107, Aronis wrote:Good riddance.-
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You voted himIn post 110, Aronis wrote: reinoe freaking deserves to die. He killed himself after all. I fail to see why I should be held responsible for his foolish actions.. The slightest suggestion that such a vote is anything other than an unequivocal endorsement of his death is so implausible as to be offensive.AFTER HE FULL-CLAIMED-
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Because it would give me near-orgasmic pleasure to witness the town realizing that rash behavior has consequences.In post 114, Bulbazak wrote:Why do you hope he is not scum?
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Can we keep this civil, please? Thank you.In post 117, Aronis wrote:Why do you claim on page 4? You were at L-4 I think? I fail to see the logic behind that really, claiming a powerful town role so early without much reason. Especially one like that. And so maybe you would get hammered soon, maybe peoples reasons were stupid, but you hammered your own goddamn self. Which is anti town and plain idiotic.I am glad you are gone because this will be alot better of a game without you.-
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Reinoe, to be fair, Frodo Baggins is not necessarily in the game. A common mod practice (and how I run my theme games) is to have more characters than necessary and randomize those that are selected. This means there is no way to break the setup using flavor. shos may also have omitted Frodo for any other number of reasons.-
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I never said that you were scum. In fact, I do not believe you are. I simply said that the assumption that Frodo Baggins has to be in the game is FALSE.In post 126, reinoe wrote: So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?
My own assessment is that the votes were actual votes. I see no reason to believe otherwise, since the players said that the votes were real. So...In post 129, Fail Hydra wrote:Yes, proper discussions in twilight, which is only happening because shos hasn't locked the thread yet. And we had reinou believing shite votes were legit, there's a difference.
ROFL. That is some condescension if I ever saw any.The only reason I said that was because I didn't think reinou truly understood the consequences of what he did. I feel that when people are flailing around and raging at everything and everyone,it's best to put your thoughts into as many small, concise words so that they can't misunderstand you in the slightest.
Lies.p-edit: @reinou - yes, it is hard to believe that anyone butnewbies and idiotswould quickhammer. Everyone knows if you quickhammer your ass is going to get quicklynchedsohard the next day, no one would ever do it.-
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And it was only a hammer because reinoe was at L-1. The fact that players who voted after the full claim are pissed about the lynch (and not just the self-hammer) is proof enough.In post 137, Bulbazak wrote:I wouldn't call the town's behavior rash. After all, Reinoe was the one who self voted.-
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No, q.v. my post about why that line of reasoning makes no sense.In post 189, Aronis wrote:In post 186, Protogonos wrote:VOTE: Aronis for reasons I posted yesterday.
I also vehemently support a Bulb wagon. Dayvigs, act now!
So I am responsible for reinoe idiotically hammering himself?
So, you are advocating a course of action that just happens to make a discussion of how scummy you are obsolete? Forgive me for not complying.In post 210, Aronis wrote:I've got a better idea. Instead of pestering the hell out of that stupid wagon. We pretend we're restarting the game without that idiotic fool?
And Bulb, your argument against me is really, really bad. For one, I only checked this game and posted after the hammer, so it is not as if I stayed off the wagon. Second, the reinoe wagon was TERRIBLE and any competent player could see that. I was hardly WKing him because his behavior was so obviously irreconcilable with scum alignment that the possibility was not even worth considering in the first place. Abject horror gave way to an Arya Stark-esque cackling as I witnessed his self-hammer.
As I said yesterday, Aronis and Bulb should both get lynched ASAP.-
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Mind restating it very succinctly, so there is no confusion?In post 221, Bulbazak wrote:
That was never my argument for you being scum.In post 215, Protogonos wrote: And Bulb, your argument against me is really, really bad. For one, I only checked this game and posted after the hammer, so it is not as if I stayed off the wagon.
And none of your outlines was in the least bit compelling, since they relied on associating particular actions with scum for no reason whatsoever. The wagon was shit and the reasoning was shit. I have not even played that many games, and I have never had a reinoe-esque breakdown come from scum. Furthermore, I have never seen someone lynched after an "obvious fakeclaim" flip scum.It really was not, and I outlined why several times.
Not in my experience. In my experience, any halfway decent player would have leaped off that wagon as soon as they claim occurred.Again, I outlined exactly why his behavior seemed indicative of scum, and 9 times out of 10 I'd have been right.
Reinoe did not put himself at L-1. Putting of the blame on him is a transparent attempt at revisionist history. That wagon was hella scummy, not only because someone was at a serious L-1 when some of the players had not even posted yet.You could have disagreed with the quicklynch, but then you'd have to assign blame to Reinoe, but that didn't gel with your agenda to venerate him.
W/e.This is not a town reaction.
Bulb is sooooo scum that I am almost tempted to move off Aronis, who is also reaaaaaaaally scum.-
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Which happens to be when I came into the thread. How is that a problem, exactly?In post 246, Bulbazak wrote:You came in and hard defended Reinoe as town AFTER he was already hammered.
Your incompetence is really not my problem. I have at most the same knowledge you have, and it was inconceivable to me that he was scum. Sorry I can tell when players are town.During this time you espoused Reinoe as town during a time when that wasn't known and the evidence provided didn't seem likely.
There was plenty of indication to me.You also set up enough lynches to get a 3 person scum team to Lylo, even though there was no indication that Reinoe would flip town.
Except that reinoe would have had to been trolling hella during twilight for that to be remotely plausible.You essentially took it as a certainty when that knowledge hadn't been provided yet, and it looked more like an attempt to garner towncred and manipulate the town more than anything town motivated.
I am obviously an alt.I'm so sorry that no one consulted you Mr. Expert with zero on-site games of experience.
Or frustrated, panicky town make. Have you played with poor pieguy?The reasoning for the lynch was sound. Reinoe had claimed Unkillable, which is not just a rare role, but a bastard one, which makes it almost impossible to appear in the game. He then followed it up with an appeal to fear of "Don't kill me guys or something bad will happen to the town!" which is the type of statement flailing scum make when desperate to avoid death.
He looked it to me. And his self-hammer should have been an obvious marker of his towniness.Furthermore, that statement doesn't gel with the unkillable claim he had just made. You know what else doesn't mesh with that claim? The self-hammer. If Reinoe's role was what he had claimed it to be, he'd at least be trying to fight the lynch as hard as he could, or at the very least, he'd be asking for our protective role to be on him during the night. We didn't get any of that from him. Instead he self-hammered and then acted all self-righteous, something that doesn't make sense coming from town. True, he was town, but he certainly didn't look like it at the time.
I am not at all worried about my level of experience.And just because you haven't seen it with only your handful of games as experience, don't dismiss it as never happening, especially when those that pointed out the tell have at least several year's worth of experience on-site.
In post 233, Protogonos wrote:And I'm sure that worked fine on the trading card forums you are from, but this is Mafiascum. You're playing in the big leagues now.
While it may be anti-town, it does happen. Frequently. And anyone still voting someone at L-1 has no basis for opposing a lynch of that person.And he was at L-1 for good reason. And as I've said multiple times, he was in no danger of getting any further votes, because cutting the day short is anti-town.
In what alternate universe do you live?He probably would have sat at L-1 to L-2 for at least a week and a half before we would even think about hammering,
I am not attempting to put the blame elsewhere. I am just saying that it is ridiculous to suggest that putting someone at L-1 and then complaining when the person gets hammered is absurd.And even if someone did quickhammer, we'd most likely be lynching that person today. The fact of the matter is that Reinoe was not in danger of a quicklynch when he hammered, which is why your attempt at putting the blame elsewhere is extremely scummy, since again, you are trying to exalt Reinoe in an effort to paint yourself as more town.
P-edit: If Proto is an Aegor alt, he needs to be lynched with fire. Aegor knows better.
Of course I am an alt, but unlike some people, I am perfectly able to conceal myself.In post 249, Guyett wrote:@Proto are you an alt?-
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This argument is total bollocks. You are simply asserting that my motivation was X and then saying I am scummy because X is scummy. My point in posting was to point out a bad wagon. You are mixing up necessary and sufficient conditions here. You can read scum intent into most things; that does not mean it is actually there.In post 266, Bulbazak wrote:Because not only did you WK Reinoe hard, but you did so at a time when that action would have zero effect on the Reinoe wagon.There was no other pointto the action than to come back later and go "See! See! I called him town!" and get towncred.
This is simply not true.You don't have the same knowledge I have, because all the evidence indicated that Reinoe was scum.
Yes, and your push was blatantly horrible. For either alignment, your actions betrayed incompetence.And if I really am scum, like you say, how could you be calling me incompetent in regards to my Reinoe read? Wouldn't I have been pushing him purposely if I was scum as you claim?
I could only imagine!It really must be nice having knowledge concerning everyone's alignments prior to the start of the game.
All the more reason to lynch you. You should know better than to be spouting what you are.
See, our experiences differ yet again! I have never, ever seen scum do what reinoe did. At least out of panic.I've seen enough scum quickhammer to know that this is not the case.
Now you know not to increase the speed of a wagon after a claim until others have at least posted if you do not actually want to take the risk of your vote contributing to a fast lynch.I never said I opposed the lynch. I just didn't want it to happen so fast.
Right, so not this site, where that kind of thing happens frequently. To put a number on it, half of my games current games have had quickhammers or even hammers without claims.The one not ran by trolls and fairies.
Blame =/= responsibility. I blame reinoe for his self-hammer. Anyone who voted after his claim is partially responsible for his lynch.Yes you have, multiple times. In fact, that's the whole basis of your play today.
See above.I think it's natural to complain when the first day ends only after 24 hours of play. And I think it's ridiculous not to look at the person who self-hammered as responsible when ridiculing the speed.-
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Flavor roles, duh.In post 293, Guyett wrote:What roles have been discussed?
Uh...no. I have no desire to move on. I think it is worth investigating why I have four votes. There is no reason for a town doublevoter or hidden voter not to disclose that fact.In post 306, RachMarie wrote:Ok if the mod says its accurate, it is accurate, let's move on peeps.-
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Double-votes are negative utility because there is no guarantee that the player will conform to the town's wishes. They are potentially even worse than vigs because they deprive the town of the desired lynch.In post 310, Drew-Sta wrote:Why would they do that? It makes them an automatic NK target?
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That was my thought. I will leave the obvious conclusion unstated.In post 312, Freja wrote:conspiracy theorist head here:
scum has the ring. a mysterious extra vote with no name on it is in play. quick analysis shows that the players on the proto wagon can't have permanent invisible votes or double votes, and rational says that if someone has a 1-shot use of one of these day 2 is not the day to use it.
conclusion: the ring has a vote. scum chooses where the vote goes.-
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Why would I share that off the bat? It would have defeated the purpose of asking whether there was a doublevoter or something.In post 319, Freja wrote: if this was your thought, how come you didn't say so in the first place?-
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Please.In post 475, RachMarie wrote:So now that Aronis has claimed and been confirmed as town flavor cop, what say you Protos.
After all you managed to get our cop to out himself.
Not true.usually mods use lesser roles for fake claims not major characters.
Do you have the Ring? Otherwise, why would you ask?In post 416, snscompt1 wrote:Question, what do we do with the ring?
Who has the Ring? Who is the Vig?
I am also hardcore scumreading Fail Hydra, but I am willing to hammer 3tm. Aronis is not alignment-confirmed, obviously.
Guyett, run me through again why it would make any sense for you to frame Drew as the DV.-
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First, please let me know how many games you have played with Rach.In post 568, Fail Hydra wrote:In fact, I'm also really curious why you would be okay to hammer them too.
Second, 3TM has contributed exactly 0 to this game, admits a PR that basically cannot be verified ever beyond a Flavor Cop investigation, and if then, could still be scum, also admits that a three-person hydra failed to use the power N2 and used it on someone scummy as hell Day 1, and had a consistent townread on flipped scum that could easily have been scum defending a buddy.-
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I am Bilbo, Hobbit Burglar. Every night I get a chance to burgle another player. If that player has the Ring, I get it, along with some nondescript power that aids Town.
I tried to burgle reinoe N1 thinking that he was a 1x unkillable, thereby preventing a scum NK + Godfather procurement of the Ring, but he was actually dead. So...
N1: Target 32Mango
N2: Target Aronis
N3: Target snscompt1
None of them had the Ring. If Reinoe was serious about the Godfather getting the Ring, then we still have an unidentified GF, unless scum can pass the Ring to each other or reinoe was just lying about everything.-
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Why claim? That would just give scum their full pick of NK targets. Since I am 100% sure that scum has the Ring right now, keeping myself hidden gave the town the functional equivalent of two cops if Aronis is not lying.In post 662, snscompt1 wrote:Careful. It is a general rule for town not to lie. Ever. I disagree but this is MyLo and you hadnt claimed yet.
Really? They were each major scumreads. That should be pretty clear if you have been reading my posts.Also, Proto, what made you choose those targets?
Nope. I guess I just assumed from "Hands of Sauron" or whatever.In post 666, Guyett wrote: When did Reinoe mention Godfather?-
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My lie was benign. No one is ever confirmed scum unless mod-confirmed; the best you can get otherwise is a guaranteed lie. I fail to see how it was in poor taste.
reinoe stated that the Ring would fall into scum hands. That could have been BS, but I do not agree. Hence my assumption it was in scum hands.-
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How? Your vote is not necessary for town to win. If you die tonight, we can lynch someone tomorrow anyway. What possible advantage is there to lynching today? Do you have anything else you want to tell us? Are you secretly indispensable to victory?In post 751, Guyett wrote:So you think Aronis and FH are scum.... and you know I'm gonna die tonight... and town has mass claimed and there is no outed roles that are held by a trusted townie that might give some help to town... Like no lynch can ONLY FUCK OVER TOWN NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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In post 757, Guyett wrote:Like its pretty obvious you aint town proto now. does your wincon align with towns?
What are you talking about? How could I possibly be third-party? I am not an SK; all NKs are accounted for. I am clearly not a Jester/other bastard role. I am not a survivor, otherwise I would have taken one of the many opportunities to end the game. Having a wincon depending on finding the Ring is basically a bastard role and is ridiculous anyway. I am town-aligned. I get additional powers if I obtain the Ring.In post 765, Guyett wrote:I suspect proto is 3rd party... prob sauroman and his wincon involves getting the ring. His role claim is prob somewhat accurate... he visits people each night and if he finds the ring he wins.
I really do not understand what the fuck is wrong with you people. There is absolutely no drawback to No Lynching. At worst, the lynch pool is reduced tomorrow. At best, we get more info. Your insistence on lynching today is completely irrational. Until you can articulate some benefit to lynching today, I see no reason to take an increased risk of mislynching.
Uh...Surely you can think of reasons, both general and specific to this game, that having an extra day and fewer lynch candidates would be helpful.In post 756, Guyett wrote:How?
What will happen over night that will help town?
we still lose if a wrong decision is made!!!
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