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[Belisarius]

/confirm

[Belisarius]

w00t I'm in spaaaaaace

VOTE: Saxon

[Belisarius]

I am not town. Discuss.

So? I'm not

human

.

I am so fucking confused right now

Part of me wants to tell you, but the part of me that is an asshole is louder.

[Belisarius]

It's a mistake to put

me

in charge of guarding the drugs.

Why didn't you ask why I thought Paschendale was scummy?

Marry, sir, they have committed false report;
moreover, they have spoken untruths; secondarily,
they are slanders; sixth and lastly, they have
belied a lady; thirdly, they have verified unjust
things; and, to conclude, they are lying knaves.

[Belisarius]

No, we do

not

"all" agree on anything.

Venrob is lynchbait and I will rot in hell before I'll grant scum a free mislynch because a player has an unpopular playstyle. If you want my vote on someone, show me scum motivated actions, not "scummy" (read: varied from current sitemeta) playstyle.

Anatole is also town. He's done more scumhunting than anyone this game.

[Belisarius]

Yes. We can't win by petulance lynches. I`my gonna lynch scum instead.

[Belisarius]

Because I think you're falling into a trap here where you're assuming that scummy-players-as-town are less likely to receive scum role PM's. It's kinda what people do with newbies in non-Newbie games.

False dichotomy rejected. It's not impossible to catch scum who are lynchbait-when-town. You just have tae make sure they are showing genuine scum motivation instead of autopiloting onto a bullshit knee-jerk policy lynch.

[Belisarius]

Reacted kinda weird to me claiming not town.

Would you prefer I intentionally ruin what you were trying to do? Because I can totally do that if you want. It's a pretty lame trick with almost zero chance of catching scum, I just prefer "almost zero" to zero.

[Belisarius]

Can you point to anything alignment indicative he's done

this game

?

If you really want a lynch I expect a better reason than a playstyle attack.

[Belisarius]

I have been doing just that.

BTW, we definitely have a third party this game. *nonchalant*

[Belisarius]

I care about alignment. Tell me, sense, how do you win at Mafia? I was pretty sure it was done by lynching scum.

[Belisarius]

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

Try to kill me vraxa'nah.

P. S. Vraxa'nah means motherfucker

[Belisarius]

REACT, h'ar. THAT MEANS SOMETHING BAD

[Belisarius]

I am Henry VIII I am, Henry VIII I am I am

[Belisarius]

Merde alors, this is as challenging as the time I dated a blind girl.

It took ages to get her husband's voice right.

Didn't see that coming? Neither did she.

[Belisarius]

Fare thee well o you Barbary merchants
Fare thee well to the Spanish Blockade
Fare thee well to the Straits of Gibraltar
To the treacherous seas of Cathay

[Belisarius]

LOOK AT ME I'M A CLOWN

[Belisarius]

I gots a ring in my pocketses because it's good to be invisible sometimes
I'm only happy when I'm naked and I wear it like a Maginot line

Sometimes I remind me of myself, sometimes I remind me of myself sometimes I reminded me etc. Etc.

[Belisarius]

Sometimes I remind me of how happy and oblivious I've always been and then I know I'll always be alright

[Belisarius]

can you give me a link to your scum game

There something stopping you from clicking my wiki and running your own damned meta?

I want Belisarius dead for that shitty fake nonchalance last page.

[Belisarius]

Belisarius, no one seems to be following you on ABR. How does that make you feel?

The night is young.

[Belisarius]

Those posts were most definitely not stream of consciousness

No, they weren't stream of consciousness. I was clowning around, as evinced by when I said "LOOK AT ME I'M A CLOWN."

[Belisarius]

It's fun.

[Belisarius]

TSO's right about one thing: That's a Beli-tell, not an alignment-tell.

Sometimes something pops out in the middle of clowning that's alignment indicative; I never know what it'll be ahead of time, but the clowning

itself

is alignment-null. The only difference between alignments is that while town I think "I hope something useful to someone pops out of this" and while scum the word "something" is replaced with "nothing."

[Belisarius]

Belisaurus, can you explain post 164?

Nope!

That was meant for said third party to react to. Something good might happen.

[Belisarius]

Which of my scum reads do you think are opportunistic?

Why do you give a rat's arse?

[Belisarius]

I really don't care one way or another

More votes on this shit prz.

[Belisarius]

Unvote, vote Belisarius

Better, but I'm not townreading the people who want to kill me

just

because they want to kill me, and your reaction to my provoke-vote on you was ultimate shit even before you just showed that you don't care who dies today by putting a supposed townread at L-1.

I'm not changing my vote for anything short of you being modconfirmed town. Cop inno? Godfather. Mason claim? Scumbuddy. Christ descends from the heavens screaming "UNVOTE!"? God does not exist.

[Belisarius]

Nope nope nope.

VOTE: ABR

Things ABR has done with scum motivation:
-Defends flipped scum aggressively almost all of D1 while pushing a policy lynch on a nullread. Scum motivation : check. Chance of lynching scum with this strategy == chance of lynching scum by lynching randomly +/- 0%. Town motivation: none
-Flip-flops when it's clear that the only options are himself or said flipped scum; I've defended lynchbait as town before and I stick to my guns even when I'm getting attacked for it. Scum motivation in self-preservation over saving a weaker scumbuddy: check
-Defensive opening D2. Scum motivation: check
-Bargaining. Scum motivation: check. Town motivation: nope
-Had planned to use governor ability, which is negative-utility as town. Scum motivation: check


Things ABR has done with town motivation:
-*tumbleweeds*

Unrelated: Anatole's death flavour is consistent with what I know of our third party. Neither of last night's kills were carried out by a vig.

[Belisarius]

Yeah, I'm not ignoring a slam dunk to avoid being called a buzzword.

[Belisarius]

@Belis: I am really curious as to what you know about this third party. Please spill some beans.

My role signals the presence of a third-party who kills with fire. We had a fire-based death last night.

in #303 I was actually hoping the Arsonist would think I was some kind of specialised Psychologist and "crumb," but now that everyone knows the fire theme that's a no-go. Oh well. Maybe the scum will take care of the firebug for us. There might just be one other thing I can do that will fuck up the arsonist's life, but I'm not talking about that until/unless it happens.

[Belisarius]

Elaborate on this. What bargaining has ABR done that has no town motivation?

His ISO today paraphrases as "Hey everybody help me lynch anyone but me and we can be best buds forever yo."

"Hey Belis share everything you know about the 3rd party so I know what you know, also my suspects are literally everyone that has been voted for today but I don't want to vote until I see where the winds are blowing, thank you all and god bless". Pasch is so SK it hurts. We should go for scum today, though.

Or scum SK-hunting. I'd still prefer to ice ABR today and maybe the scum and firebug will cross-kill and save me a lot of work. Unless, of course, the presence of the firebug means there are only two scum, in which case I'll be down to blow a lynch on Pasch after we down scum #2.

[Belisarius]

Belisarius, thoughts on Jarg and Juls?

I don't get the case on either, which usually means there isn't one.

[Belisarius]

Actually I like this vote more now

Vote: Belisarius

Awww, did I hurt your feelings, Mr. quote-some-random-shit and imply that anyone who doesn't find it scummy is a thicko?

It's disappointing that that shit works so often, but how is it better than lynching at random?

IT FUCKING ISN'T

[Belisarius]

N.B. : The previous post is meant to be read in an Irish accent.

[Belisarius]

Belisarius, I'm town. It's not too late to convince me that you're town too, and step one is to stop your tunnel vision on me.

More bargaining? If you want me to stop "tunnelling," perhaps instead of further convincing me that

you're

scum with every. single. post. you should try convincing me of who

else

might be scum instead.

And by that I don't mean more of this "hands up if you see it" bullshit. I'm not going to pretend to see something that's not there to avoid looking dumb.

[Belisarius]

Sure. I'm not self-voting, but I'm fine with all of the votes on me except for yours.

I'm not a strong PR or anything, I'd consider myself to be an acceptable loss.

[Belisarius]

I have the same number of votes as you

Albert B. Rampage - 2 (Jargonaut, Espressojet) L-4
Juls - 0 () L-6
Belisarius - 5 (Venmar, Belisarius, Albert B. Rampage, Paschendale, xRECKONERx) L-1

lol

[Belisarius]

Wait what the Christ?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

[Belisarius]

Either way, it's clear I'll be getting the lynch I want, the only question is whether I'll be alive to see it. I feel pretty damned fantastic about that.

[Belisarius]

Don't sing it, bring it. Ek'rah skabak erg Thrak'Kilrah maks Rag'nith!

[Belisarius]

No, I am not the arsonist. I'm assuming Belisarius is claiming some kind of firefighter role.

Nope, I'm claiming fuck you, I don't see intent to hammer

[Belisarius]

Literally the only thing that would confirm the existence of an arsonist is a firefighter, so who cares?

*literally the only thing you can think of. That is not the same as the only thing that could possibly exist.

[Belisarius]

Actually firefighter isn't even consistent with what I said. If I were a firefighter, I wouldn't consider myself expendable until the arsonist was dead.

[Belisarius]

But I am? What is your vote based off of exactly? Me wanting to know what Belisarius has on a SK? All I see is that Anatole was burned to a crisp (maybe the doings of a rockman), only reason i'd suspect an Arsonist, and weak one at that.

Arsonist found. I just ISO'd myself to confirm that I never told anyone I was a rock man. So how the crispy crunchy Christ did you know that?

Scum first though.

[Belisarius]

A man made of rock.

I'm a rockman.

[Belisarius]

(Notice I never implied anyone in particular was a Rockman, and that I was implying the Arsonist themselves would logically be a Rockman)

Why did you feel the need to add this? Nerves?

[Belisarius]

And what do you mean by not be held accountable?

Sure seems like I'm being held pretty damned accountable at the moment.

[Belisarius]

I still have yet to see your first action that shows any town motivation.

If repeating bullshit over and over and over again made it true, I'd be Batman by now.

[Belisarius]

avoiding offending anyone

Ja'lhu vrax?

What do I have to do to offend someone around here, have a piss on the carpet?

[Belisarius]

Does anyone really think that scum doesn't have a sample PM?

Mine has some of those lines verbatim, but it doesn't have a link to the game thread.

[Belisarius]

No.

The role PM rings true, especially as multiple people have confirmed that the

only

discrepancy I see is present in theirs.

UNVOTE:

Yeah, a sample role PM may have been provided to scum, maybe one was meant to be in the OP, maybe this, maybe that, maybe the other thing. My gut's telling me it's real.

I'm a bit alarmed by how quickly Juls had an explanation for how realistic that role PM is, though.

[Belisarius]

That is very very banned

Remember Con Mafia?

If a mod can suspend the ongoing game rule, a mod can suspend any game-related rule.

I don't like it, because I understand the reasons that quoting role PMs is typically not allowed, and I won't be quoting my own, but it's modconfirmed legal now.

[Belisarius]

Yeah, Reck isn't getting lynched.

Not interested in Espresso either.

ABR, I still don't think you faked your role PM quote but for the love of fuck could you stop being so goddamn anti-town? Vote for scum, not for failure to do what you tell them to.

[Belisarius]

VOTE: Juls

I've had enough time to think it over and I still think she was way too quick with the sample PM hypothesis.

If I were you, that's who I'd vote right now.

I'm sure you would, man

Well, then, can I interest you in a Juls lynch?

[Belisarius]

Okie dokie. I will try not to be quick in the future? Cause knowing your role PM is scummy.

Knowing your role PM has fuck all to do with what I'm pushing. Hypothesising that scum have sample role PMs/fakeclaims in full role PM format without needing any time to think about it does.

Your reaction to my vote sure as hell doesn't ease my mind any. Putting words (lies) in another player's mouth is scummy. Pointing out what is scummy about yourself is scummy (I've done it as scum and got attacked by a scumbuddy for it).

Bringing up SUPREME2 also pings my scumdar because of fucking course you wouldn't play the exact same way in 2 back to back scumgames against the same player, so why would a townie want to foment that WIFOM?

And of course jumping on a policy lynch for a self vote eliminates accountability for the flip. I love the fact that I'm using an attack that was levelled against me.

[Belisarius]

Also, #412 tells me Reck's not the SK, since the same argument could be applied against him and a SK wouldn't want to start that conversation. Maybe hito, though.

[Belisarius]

Not hammering antitown when we could have scum instead, not when we have a perfect lynch record.

[Belisarius]

That is very very banned

Remember Con Mafia?

If a mod can suspend the ongoing game rule, a mod can suspend any game-related rule.

I don't like it, because I understand the reasons that quoting role PMs is typically not allowed, and I won't be quoting my own, but it's modconfirmed legal now.

If its modconfirmed legal to do, why would you not post your role pm? That seems sillily obstinate.

The funny part is, you just quoted me answering that question:

I don't like it, because I understand the reasons that quoting role PMs is typically not allowed

[Belisarius]

Because it goes against the spirit of the game?

YES

And do you have any issue with Espresso claiming the same thing as you here?

He didn't claim the same thing as me. He's withheld the type of kill he's immune

to

, which is not necessarily the same as mine, and I approve of his withholding of that information. Furthermore, I claimed first. If there was any incompatibility between our claimed role, it would mean one of us would have to be scum. Assume scum-me and town-Espresso: Espresso CC's me and forces a 1v1

right after I claim

. That didn't happen. Now assume town-me and scum-Espresso: Espresso claims

something other than an already-claimed role

in order to avoid fucking suicide. That also didn't happen. Finally, assume town-me and town-Espresso: Outside of gambits, we have no real choice but to claim what's actually in our role PMs. Espresso doesn't see an incompatibility between my claim and his role PM, so he does nothing until he's forced to claim, and then claims semi-bulletproof. That

did

happen.

tl;dr version: You won't be getting me to move my vote to Espresso anytime soon.

[Belisarius]

Belli, Venmar, you're both pretty comfortable being all lonely on your lonely little wagons. Why is that?

I put my vote where I think scum is. There's not a wagon there now, so be it. There wasn't a wagon on ABR when I voted him, either.

We're not at deadline. I don't have to compromise to avoid a no-lynch yet.

[Belisarius]

Well, at first it was just the copy/paste of the role pm, which wouldn't have been enough if someone hadn't had an explanation for it

right away

, but look at ABR's play since then. Does that look like the play of scum who has just lost a partner? Particularly when the presence of a SK might signal a 2-man scumteam?

Other than a scumread on Juls, all I've got on anyone else is hito's stated lack of concern over the NKs. It would make sense for a strongly townread townie to expect to die last night, especially in light of the fact that there are two kills, and most likely both scum and SK are aiming for town right now.

[Belisarius]

Other than a scumread on Juls, all I've got on anyone else is hito's stated lack of concern over the NKs. It would make sense for a strongly townread townie to expect to die last night, especially in light of the fact that there are two kills, and most likely both scum and SK are aiming for town right now.

I did expect to die; I just have no interest in speculating on why I didn't when there are so many possiblities. Maybe Anatole's role was a BG and he BG'd me, maybe scum had an indication there's an SK (e.g a two-man scumteam or an FBI-esque role) and both anti-towns left me alone thinking the other might kill me, maybe the anti-towns were leery of a potential watcher or doctor. Trying to guess which one would just have me chasing my tail. NK analysis gets a lot more meaningful when the pool of potential targets is smaller and a lot of potential reasons for the kills can be ruled out. There's always the danger that I'm being kept alive because I have a really wrong read and am being used to muscle out that read; but coming to that conclusion D2 is a lot more likely to have me throw out good reads out of paranoia.

I didn't say it was a good lead ; ;

[Belisarius]

Oh, it's

good

leads I'm supposed to be looking for?

Shit.

This changes everything.

You should totally make a MD thread to share that little gem.

[Belisarius]

for going after me despite me coming to his defense

Not sure if this reason is fabricated or merely shite.

[Belisarius]

I see that as scum you would be inclined to keep me around considering I stopped your lynch

The proper term for scum that transparent is "dead." I'm better at scum than that. I also don't like the way you're trying to take sole credit for stopping my lynch as though everyone else lacked the capacity for independent thought necessary to read me on their own.

[Belisarius]

And I made a valid point about ABR's recent play not making sense coming from scum. I don't think that means I deserve sole credit if his wagon collapses.

[Belisarius]

The reason for your read feeling fabricated and the taking of credit are separate issues. I'm not trying to link them together, but both make me question your alignment.

[Belisarius]

We need to have a serious talk, Belisarius. I want to know who you are.

I am the very model of a modern Major-General,
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;a
I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

[Belisarius]

how old are you?

That depends on how you measure time. Chronologically, 34. Psychologically, old enough to have spanked Jesus for snitching sweets.

[Belisarius]

I note a complete lack of anyone thinking that ABR is actually town.

Actually, I'm now townreading him as hard as I was scumreading him at the start of the day.

He's being antitown as fuck, but not scum.

[Belisarius]

Please expound.

I did. ABR's "fuck off and die" play today is not consistent with the mindset of scum who lost a buddy D2, especially if it's a 2-man scumteam, as may well be the case. Scum who got to L-1 and got off the hook sure as hell wouldn't fuck-you their way to L-1 a second time the same day.

[Belisarius]

@Belis: If ABR is town, and has had so many votes on him, it's reasonable to think that scum pushed for his lynch. Whose votes for him do you think are scum motivated?

Juls and

maybe

hito. That's not a tough answer to predict.

I'm also open to the possibility (especially if I'm wrong about Juls) that there weren't any scum on the ABR wagon. I've seen plenty of shitwagons that were all town, and ABR's isn't even a shitwagon, given how anti-town his play has been. I'd gladly hammer him as a utility lynch if it becomes clear I won't be getting a scum lynch today. I can actually provide a pile of links to examples of all-town shitwagons, I've made the same argument in a completed game a few months back, all I'd have to do is find the game and copy/paste.

[Belisarius]

Juls I get. Why Hito?

Same reason I discussed with him earlier in this Day phase: His lack of concern over not being NK'd.

[Belisarius]

I would prefer belisarius.

You'll get your chance. I'm not dying tonight, so I'll get wagoned tomorrow.

[Belisarius]

For a few more minutes

[Belisarius]

Espresso is town, I'm not putting my vote there.

It's pretty clear I won't get Juls, though, so I'll settle for Myko.

VOTE: Mykonian

[Belisarius]

...

[Belisarius]

Beli: Why switch to myko when you finally had another Juls voter and there was over a week left?[/b]

Look at how long I sat alone on that wagon and the average number of posts per day in that span. The game was stalled and something had to happen. If I'd sat still, ABR was probably going to be today's lynch. Myko's reads didn't make sense to me, which could be a sign of scum trying to muddy the waters.

5 days only matters if we're using them. We weren't.

[Belisarius]

I was sheeping Fish, not Juls.

ABR is taking a lot of heat right now, his support for my wagon was not going to push it to a lynch.

[Belisarius]

I was more so talking about Pasch not killing Beli.

I think the consensus was that any vig should shoot me, Pasch acted correctly. Especially after Espresso's flip, I'd have been a massive liability in LyLo--duplicate roles aren't really a thing in current site meta. If he hadn't shot me, he would have shot someone else and we'd have hit endgame at the same time, but with a survivor list less conducive to a town win. So really, if Pasch had listened to you about

that

, we probably would have lost.