Mini 1657 — Taylor Swift UPick — Game Over

[Soren]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

His name is virtuous of WIFOM. He's just here to confuse us.

[Soren]

I knew she was trouble when she walked in.

VOTE: Antihero

I've got a blank space here, so I'll write

your

name.

Do you listen to taylor swift?

[Soren]

VOTE: LucianRoy

Why did you vote for the only unconfirmed player?

Hey ho, good point.

Picking on someone who hasn't even showed up and not confirmed to the game?

I remember you, Lucian, accusing someone of scum for voting for someone who hasn't even showed up in the game yet.

Hypocrisy much?

[Soren]

What, don't tell me, you're a hated voteless?

not quite, but you have the right idea

What's a hated voteless?

Egopost

I don't understand this post.

Spoiler: bookitty

VOTE: antihero

Cute :3

[Soren]

I knew she was trouble when she walked in.

VOTE: Antihero

I've got a blank space here, so I'll write

your

name.

VOTE: LucianRoy

Why did you vote for the only unconfirmed player?

What, don't tell me, you're a hated voteless?

not quite, but you have the right idea

Egopost

Spoiler: bookitty

VOTE: antihero

Quiet time of the day.

What is everyone's time zone? Just so I can get an idea of when you guys post.

[Soren]

Sigh...

I still have no idea why previously quoted post are automatically placed in the quick reply without my knowledge....

Ignore those quotes please.

[Soren]

Soren you're probably accidentally hitting the Q+ button, I think there's a way to disable it in the control panel

I use the quote button, the one left to the Q+.

[Soren]

Endless Possibilities seems to be trying to get in Bookitty's good book.

[Soren]

Oh that explains it.

I use the scrolling wheel to click on the quote button so that it opens in a new tab.

[Soren]

Endless Possibilities made an accurate observation. Discuss.

Oh wait, now he's trying to get on my good side too.

[Soren]

Antihero has only made two post so far but I think him pointing this out is pretty town. Though, maybe he just wants you to turn your back against Endless.

<3 <3 <3

So awesome.

fallin' for the old "bad drawing next to hello kitty" trick i see, boo

...he'll only break your heart...

[Soren]

Because he spotted and commented on your shameless buddying?

kind of, but there's a lot more to it than that

I just finished a game where Soren was scum and his play there consisted of a lot of filler questions that had nothing to do with the game, and a distinct lack of stances. this is the exact opposite of what he's doing in this game. I don't particularly agree with either of his lines of questioning so far, but they are still questions that serve to accomplish a lot more than the ones he asked in his scum game.

it's not a particularly strong read given it's only page fucking 2, but I haven't minded anything he's done so far.

I don't think any of Anti's posts so far are telling either way. do you disagree?

Huh, I don't remember playing with you?

[Soren]

I don't. I think Anti is still in RVS and acting as I'd expect for that phase.

I think Soren made the first step toward pulling us out of RVS. I tend to find that townish, so I think Soren is definitely lean-town for it. I don't know Soren at all, though. (Soren, do you prefer being called he or she?)

You can refer to me as a he Bookitty.

[Soren]

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I don't. I think Anti is still in RVS and acting as I'd expect for that phase.

I think Soren made the first step toward pulling us out of RVS. I tend to find that townish, so I think Soren is definitely lean-town for it. I don't know Soren at all, though. (Soren, do you prefer being called he or she?)

do you have any other reads at this point?

Huh, I don't remember playing with you?

-pieguyn

Ohhhh you're a hydra.

So how comes metal sonic was allowed to post with his normal account?

[Soren]

Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?

Vote: Not_Mafia

How comes you ignored this Endless?

[Soren]

Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?

Vote: Not_Mafia

Where did EP say they have a double vote?

Considering they voted The Bulge and then Antihero and only the Antihero vote showed up in the VC, I don't know how you came to this conclusion.

Yeah I was also confused as to where Espeonage made that doublevote comment from. I thought I missed a claim or something.

[Soren]

Is it enough for you to vote for Esp, Lucian?

[Soren]

Wow no one posted anything over night?

[Soren]

Soren: How many games have you played?

This is my fourth game on mafiascum.

I've probably played somewhere around 40+ games elsewhere though.

@MOD:

Could we have a gentle and kind prod on Aristophanes and Om of the Nom, please?

In other news, I'm pretty sure Endless Possibilities is town. Soren too.

What's the town read on Endless?

Hey Everyone!
Sorry I hadn't been here yet. Weekends I work a shit tonne and am usually pretty much V/LA for.

Endless Possibilities seems to be trying to get in Bookitty's good book.

soren is town. discuss

Because he spotted and commented on your shameless buddying?

I saw all that as obviously RVS playfulness, not shameless buddying.
Soren & Bookitty, what makes this buddying? It was just the posted picture, right?
Soren, do you get anything alignment indicative from EP's apparent buddying on Boo and yourself?

Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?

Vote: Not_Mafia

Espionage, how did you know it was EP and not Lucian that was the doublevoter?
At the time of this post I see no way to have known that information.

Also, EST is my timezone. I saw someone (Soren?) ask that.

@MOD:

Could we have a gentle and kind prod on Aristophanes and Om of the Nom, please?

In other news, I'm pretty sure Endless Possibilities is town. Soren too.

Easy does it. I'm here!

I don't really see anything alignment indicative other than Endless being playful with Bookitty, which may just be masking the fact that he wants to get in BooKitty's good book, but I think he's probably more clever than this, so I'll have to agree with you that it's more likely to be RVS playfullness. Calling me town on the other hand, is based on meta reading. I don't see much buddying from that.

my desire to kill LR is quickly rising

You said kill instead of lynch?

And why?

[Soren]

VOTE: LucianRoy

Why did you vote for the only unconfirmed player?

Hey ho, good point.

Picking on someone who hasn't even showed up and not confirmed to the game?

I remember you, Lucian, accusing someone of scum for voting for someone who hasn't even showed up in the game yet.

Hypocrisy much?

It's okay when I do it. Lol.
You know how much of a hypocrite I am Soren. When I played as conf. town with a guard-role, I ran that game like a dictatorship by forcing people's reads, and then killing them for giving me bad reads. However, in a 5 scum game, with an sk, we ended on day four.

No, but seriously, in the game where I voted her because of voting lurkers, I read that vote as a slip when he showed up just after she voted him for that divine reason of not posting in the thread.
In her case, she was trying to bait out the lurkers. My vote's just an RVS.
Her appearance in game also threw me off. She usually votes her friends because they know it's just a joke, but not in that case.

Double standards.

What makes you think it's okay for you to do it?

[Soren]

Marquis your formatting never fails to impress me.

VOTE: killerjester

Proper nouns begin with an uppercase letter, fool.

• accidental quote removed, and thank you

Whoa why did it quote that Marquis help pls

I think it's time you say something else.

Look at the number of votes on Antihero, please.

Carry on

Huh huh huh?

VOTE: LucianRoy

Why did you vote for the only unconfirmed player?

Started of strong with a non-RVS vote but didn't follow up with it later. Where are you?

Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?

Vote: Not_Mafia

Came to a weird assumption and hasn't explained himself after multiple cases of interrogating.

Come and explain yourself.

[Soren]

There are currently three votes for Antihero despite only LR and EP having votes on him. So EP is a doublevoter.

I didn't realize initially because I thought the votes would be split based on the last two votes rather than count twice for one person.

Ohhhh. Lucian and Endless voted for antihero, but the vote count says there are 3 votes on them.

But where did you draw the assumption that Endless of the doublevoter? Could it not be Lucian?

[Soren]

EBWOP

There are currently three votes for Antihero despite only LR and EP having votes on him. So EP is a doublevoter.

I didn't realize initially because I thought the votes would be split based on the last two votes rather than count twice for one person.

Ohhhh. Lucian and Endless voted for antihero, but the vote count says there are 3 votes on them.

But where did you draw the assumption that Endless

is

the doublevoter? Could it not be Lucian?

Changed one word.

[Soren]

Well EP already hinted at something with his votes being altered when he said someone was on the right track for calling him voteless.

Oh I should read through that part again.

[Soren]

My condolences killerjester. Hang in there buddy.

[Soren]

Why did you ask how many games I have played Empking?

[Soren]

Listening to a different Taylor Swift song from each vote count is such a delight

• thank you for your appreciation! it means a lot to me and my work ^^

[Soren]

Meta reading LucianRoy, I'm leaning scum because of how he explains himself more than trying to scum hunt.

VOTE: LucianRoy

[Soren]

Not_Mafia had quite a lot of votes on him and he didn't really react to it. Possible scum trying to wait for someone to take the hit (get more votes) before he starts posting more?

[Soren]

Meta reading LucianRoy, I'm leaning scum because of how he explains himself more than trying to scum hunt.

VOTE: LucianRoy

Soren, you gotta be kiddin' me. The last time I scum-read you, I ended up forcing a cop claim from you day 1. But you, on the other hand, were actually playing scummy. I entered the game late in the phase, and needed a snap decision. Unfortunately, forcing a cop claim is just about the worst thing you could do day-one. So, when I play a town-game, you read me scum, and when you play a town-game, I read you as scum. This has never worked out for either of us. By this logic, since you actually appear town to me right know, should I be reading you scum?

Our reads of each other do tend to be all over the place some times.

Meta reading is certainly not the best tool available.

I'll have to examine your posts a bit more.

[Soren]

What do you make of all those votes on you anti?

[Soren]

I love all of you very much.

Except Not_Mafia. His vote on me is just another example of his lack of human feelings and his overall scumminess. He's the sort of villain who helps little old ladies halfway across the street and kicks over Hello Kitty toy displays.

For shame, Not_Mafia. For shame.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I don't know why there was a need to tell us that you love all of us. Especially for the first post of the game.

And then proceeds with a OMGUS vote?

[Soren]

What do you make of all those votes on you anti?

@Soren: What do you expect to learn from Anti's answer to this question?

Well if he is town then maybe he can point out some scum motivated votes that are placed on him.

But my main priority is to try and get people to speak up because this has been a very quiet few days.

Not mafia and antihero seems to show a lack of regards with the amount of votes on them.

[Soren]

Are you really asking me something that I implied that I wanted to find out?

[Soren]

I was just reading back to see if there was something that i could find.

I have no theory which is why i pointed it out to see what you would say

[Soren]

;(

[Soren]

Okay, that's at least twice that you've asked questions for which you don't seem to have any reasoning or any idea what you would do with the answers thereto.

If you read the entire post in which that comment appears, you could note that the post and the vote were part of a joke directed at Not Mafia, with whom I have played before.

VOTE: Soren

I didn't particularly like you sheeping me onto LucianRoy and then backing your own reasons while not moving your vote. I don't like your "trying to look busy" questions that don't seem designed to elicit anything even remotely alignment indicative.

"If you read the entire post in which that comment appears, you could note that the post and the vote were part of a joke directed at Not Mafia, with whom I have played before."

And this is what I wanted to know. Why couldn't you of just said this earlier? I'm not going to go through your profile and see what games you've posted on just to see if you've played with not_mafia before.

"while not moving your vote"

Cause I didn't have another suspect to move my vote onto which is why I'm trying to generate some discussion as it's been quiet lately.

"I don't like your "trying to look busy" questions that don't seem designed to elicit anything even remotely alignment indicative."

Well I guess I just wasn't asking the right questions then.

[Soren]

"Okay, that's at least twice that you've asked questions for which you don't seem to have any reasoning or any idea what you would do with the answers thereto."

Okay that's an observation. What's your analysis of it?

[Soren]

I think that you are trying to look busy by asking questions that don't actually produce anything useful even if they were answered.

I'm not "trying to look busy". I'm trying to generate some discussion or at least try and get some activity into the game because it's been too quiet for my liking. Judging from the quietness, obviously there hasn't been much to comment about. So of course the things that I point out or ask about won't have much significance. I just wanted to see if maybe I could get more than what there currently is in the game.

Your question to Antihero I'm going to leave alone because he may still answer it and then you could point to his amazingly useful answer and say, "Neener Neener" to me in a smug fashion.

I'm not that kind of person to rub things in people's face so you don't need to worry about that.

Your question to me, however, I feel okay about answering. If you go back (way back) in the game and ask people (including me) about a post that is clearly a RVS joke, they're going to think you're reaching pretty far.

Okay I didn't really realise that it was a joke per se. I just found it odd and didn't really give it any further thought, thus I questioned it.

And I must have overlooked it or didn't really care about it in the beginning, thus I haven't said anything till now.

Either way, asking about it was weird, especially since you then backed off of it by saying you didn't have any expectation about what I would say.

I wouldn't really say that. I just wanted to understand the nature of your post, which you have now explained to me.

If you didn't think it was a scumtell, why would you ask?

I didn't really like how it was an obvious OMGUS vote. So there was a slight scum read there.

What did you gain from my answer?

To understand if it really was a RVS vote.

Why did it matter that my vote on Not Mafia was OMGUS?

Because it shows a negative reaction to a simple RVS vote on you.

Asking lots of questions when you don't care about the answers is a pretty common hallmark of scum play.

I wouldn't say that I didn't care about the answer. I ask because I want to know/learn something and gather information which may help in outing scum.

The whole interaction between the two of you is odd. I don't like it and I don't trust it.

We're referencing quite a few games we've had together in the past.

I think you're scummy for it.

Fair enough.

[Soren]

Speaking of interactions, Soren, you said something about looking over my posts earlier. Any fruit on the vine?

After going over some of your posts again, I didn't really put much thought when I voted for you. I was mainly influenced by other people's reasons for voting for you.

You don't exactly scream scum to me right now.

So

Unvote: LucianRoy

[Soren]

That Aristophanes guy should vote somebody.
Om too.

who do u think i should vote

We could play hot-potato with Antihero, and see what happens.
But, if he ends up getting replaced since he hasn't posted anything to further my scumread, then you should vote Bookitty.

we can start with boobkitty
VOTE: bookitty

Why are you letting someone else choose who you should vote for?

[Soren]

Soren is town as shit, Bookitty is probably town.

Can you elaborate on these reads please? What gives you town reads on them?
Does their recent butting of heads change this for you?

<snip>
do you have any scum reads at this point?

Slight read on Esp.
Slightly stronger read on Anti.
And the weirdest read on Elyse.

Wait, what kind of reads do you have on these guys?
I get that you think Anti scummy, right?

Was ESP a scum read too or a town read?

[Okay, so it was a scum read. What changed this, other than losing steam?]
Also, I don't think you ever elaborated on that read.
You kinda explained what your "weird read" was, but never said which alignment it was being attributed to.

Who do you think is scummy, Aristophanes?

I could see Soren being overly-active scum. He's said an awful lot, but his posts are mostly devoid of content. I had liked his tone while reading through originally, but on a reread he just seems to be floating by.
Also, pulling at something from RVS when we're 7 pages in is a little ridiculous and, as you pointed out, really had no point to it. Why not try to make conversation around something newer that might actually get a read?
Also, he followed it up with the following:

<snip>

Your question to me, however, I feel okay about answering. If you go back (way back) in the game and ask people (including me) about a post that is clearly a RVS joke, they're going to think you're reaching pretty far.

Okay I didn't really realise that it was a joke per se. I just found it odd and didn't really give it any further thought, thus I questioned it.

And I must have overlooked it or didn't really care about it in the beginning, thus I haven't said anything till now.

<snip>

What did you gain from my answer?

To understand if it really was a RVS vote.

Why did it matter that my vote on Not Mafia was OMGUS?

Because it shows a negative reaction to a simple RVS vote on you.
<snip>

In the first quote, he admits he didn't think it was a joke, and earlier seemed to not notice it was RVS.
He then goes on about how he was trying to figure out if it was RVS and make a negative read of you from it.
Seems contradictory, like scum weaving tales.

VOTE: Soren

Ninja'd I think, will read.

I don't see the contradictory nature of it.

[Soren]

vote: Aris

there's a lot of weak questions that don't really lead anywhere. most of his pushes have been on relatively easy targets (Soren, LR) and the Soren push was directly in response to Bookitty asking him who he thought was scummy (as opposed to directly pushing Soren himself). plus he keeps WK'ing people without explaining why he thinks they're town, which is a textbook scum play when they want an easy way to gain town credit without actually being involved in the discussion.

I also don't get what the point of the first paragraph of 164 is. it feels more like he's trying to get me to buy into the Bookitty/Soren shitstorm that's going on as opposed to asking about anything that's alignment indicative. Bookitty is town for generally being proactive and making strong pushes on people - I haven't put too much thought into it but MS also agrees with me there.

What's WK'ing?

[Soren]

I feel like Om is just not really paying much attention to the game and sheeping votes from those who he reads as town.

[Soren]

Meta reading LucianRoy, I'm leaning scum because of how he explains himself more than trying to scum hunt.

VOTE: LucianRoy

Meta reading implies purposeful comparison of a person's behavior across multiple games.

Speaking of interactions, Soren, you said something about looking over my posts earlier. Any fruit on the vine?

After going over some of your posts again, I didn't really put much thought when I voted for you. I was mainly influenced by other people's reasons for voting for you.

You don't exactly scream scum to me right now.

So

Unvote: LucianRoy

Basically stating he lied about the meta reading. Why?

VOTE: Soren

The meta read was based on a gut feeling which I didn't put much thought into it.

[Soren]

I find it weird that no one is commenting on Om's obvious sheeping.

[Soren]

I feel like Om is just not really paying much attention to the game and sheeping votes from those who he reads as town.

that may or may not be partly what im doing
im still not in this game 100% so im wading a bit until i find something truly worth investigating

Investigating.
Hmmm...

Yeah I noticed that too and didn't want to point it out in case she really does have an investigative role. But I guess cat's out of the bag now.

I want to vote for Om for his obvious sheeping, but did he really just hint at an investigative role?

[Soren]

So you've read through everything now?

Why didn't you like his gut-scum read?

What parts about his wall of posts that you didn't like?

[Soren]

I'm gut scum reading him. I never said anything about gut reads of his.

Ah I misread.

Is it really a gut scum read anymore? You've stated that his argument was forced and ended with a weak reason to sheep the vote on me.

[Soren]

Hmmm. How have I buddied Aristophanes? To my recollection he's barely posted at all.

I think it's because Aris agreed with you for the most part and followed with a vote on me.

[Soren]

@Darklight: Why was Aristophanes sheeping me suspicious and Soren's previous sheep wasn't, please?

Point out Soren's sheep to me

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6706628

[Soren]

I find it weird that no one is commenting on Om's obvious sheeping.

what do you think is alignment indicative about it?

LR struck me as particularly town.

elaborate?

cos I can think of some reasons, but I'd like to know what your reasons are

I'm kinda scum reading Om for sheeping.

[Soren]

@Not_Mafia: Do you have any reads yet? Could you share them with us, please?

I hae some town leans

I think we're in multiball.

VOTE: Antihero

How would you know if it's multi ball?

[Soren]

Why do you think multiball, Not_Mafia?

How would you know if it's multi ball?

Cute sheep you have there.

[Soren]

Are we policy lynching anti yet?

I'm down for it.

[Soren]

Why?

[Soren]

[ skip to next votecount ]

Do you have an example of Anti being an active town?

[Soren]

I'm sold.

VOTE: Antihero

[Soren]

Do you have an example of Anti being an active town?

literally any game Anti was in where he was town

2 of my recent games with him:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59516
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58358

also I'm still wondering why you think Om sheeping is more likely to come from scum than town

I never explicitly stated that Om's sheeping is more likely to come from scum than town. Though it is implied I guess.

It's just the general lack of care to the game and only popped in to sheep a vote. That's just odd and rather anti town as Om isn't being productive to the game either. So I kind of scum read this.

[Soren]

Anti should be prodded.

[Soren]

Hi Ika

Please give us your thoughts after you've done some back reading ^~^

[Soren]

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Antihero can you tell us what you think about the people accusing you of scum for lurking? In fact, why are you lurking? Why aren't you posting as much as you do when you are town?

[Soren]

Emp is town even though his reads are incorrect.
We have Elyse as a mutual scum-read, I like that, but he disagrees with my town read, Soren, at the same time.
Weird.

I'm also perfectly fine with Aristo lynch today, and if anti isn't going to be around, then that's probably what's going to happen.

Also, as implied, If Bookitty thinks Anti is scum, then why isn't she voting him?
Maybe I'm interpreting the "happy scumday" post incorrectly...

Also, Soren, what are your reads?

Ah Lucian I miss you bb.

Elyse - scum read. Her earlier posts where a mix of fluff and content. But lately her posts are just iffy. She hasn't contributed much and hasn't done much townie things either.

Antihero - scum read because of the classic meta read.

Endless - I want to say obvious town read at this point because her voting ability indicates town. However in a previous game this guy claimed investigative role and I assumed he was town almost indubitably. But as it turns out, he was werewolf cop. So while I lean town on endless at this moment, I will open myself to doubt about her. Also I'm not sure what to make of her apparent "I can read Soren so well based on one game!". She went to great lengths to defend me as town against Boo. While I like it, the excessive nature of the defense is rubbing me weird and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Bookitty - if I were to rate her actions I would say something like 20% scum actions and 80% townie actions. So leaning town.

Aris - I'm actually not sure what to make of him at this point. Null read.

And the rest hasn't posted much for me to get a solid read yet

As for you, unsure. Your wordyness naturally makes me lean town, but I know better than to assume someone is town simply based on how much they speak.

[Soren]

Who were the scum on the Anti wagon?

SEL

I've actually thinking EP was scum for a while, but that was just based on role speculation (we're due for a temp-Hatred to be scum.)

Do you think Soren, LR, and I are all scum? Or just one? Or two?

@Soren
Why did you include Aris if you don't have a read on him?
Why would LR's wordiness affect your read on him if you two have played together? Is he not usually wordy?

I would also like you to point out the 20% of Boo's scummy actions, as well as my fluff and iffy posts.

I included Aris because he is one of the leading lynch canditates today and it might be weird for me not to comment on him.

Lucian is uaully wordy and is generally the town leader. I've been in a lot of games with him, and he has never been mafia in any of those games. However he was a serial killer for one of them.

And I'll point them out tmrw when I'm on the pc. Gathering the post on the phone is a hassle.

[Soren]

I provided the link to a game in which Anti lurked and beetlejuiced as scum (beetlejuicing is when you don't post for a while but pop up when your name is mentioned or a wagon starts on you). I actually think EP is pretty town right now, so I was willing to go along with the quicklynch based on my own meta read and Anti's complete lack of anything useful in this thread. I wanted to give him a fair chance to post, but he's squandered even that chance imo.

I feel like Antihero is avoiding this game specifically even with the huge wagon that built up on him. I haven't a clue about his real-life situation, but I don't understand what he's doing here if he is actually town.

I'm pretty sure I indicated I would vote Anti if he didn't show up and post. Just because I don't pile on a wagon or quickhammer doesn't indicate disapproval of that wagon, for the record.

Anti not commenting about the meta read on him is scummy enough. I'm happy with the anti lynch.

[Soren]

Who were the scum on the Anti wagon?

SEL

I've actually thinking EP was scum for a while, but that was just based on role speculation (we're due for a temp-Hatred to be scum.)

Do you think Soren, LR, and I are all scum? Or just one? Or two?

@Soren
Why did you include Aris if you don't have a read on him?
Why would LR's wordiness affect your read on him if you two have played together? Is he not usually wordy?

I would also like you to point out the 20% of Boo's scummy actions, as well as my fluff and iffy posts.

I tried to use the spoiler bbcode but it appears to be different from what I'm used to on other forums so excuse the lack of spoiler.

Elyse posts:

Look at the number of votes on Antihero, please.

Carry on

Fluffy

Aristophanes
Empking
The Bulge

All three haven't voted each other. I found the scumteam guys.

Iffy.

So many E names <3

Fluffy.

---------------

But maybe I'm being a bit harsh. Most of your posts consists of content, though there isn't much of them

And after going through BooKitty's ISO she's more townie than what I have perceived before. There's some things that I don't really like, like when she backed off from me rather nonchanlantly saying "I guess Soren can be town" and using emotion in her words when she said "Your question to Antihero I'm going to leave alone because he may still answer it and then you could point to his amazingly useful answer and say, "Neener Neener" to me in a smug fashion". But for the most part, she's townie.

[Soren]

What's your read on the other players killerjester?

You're not commenting much on other players, I get the feeling that you're distancing yourself from your scum team.

[Soren]

Can you explain your reads a bit more please? It would be helpful thanks.

[Soren]

I'd like the explanation of the town read on Lucian, especially since you voted on him earlier.

I would also say the Aris read as well, but you provided a little explanation for it already. But if you've got anything more to say about him, I'm all ears.

[Soren]

He hammered himself.

[Soren]

Ayy we lynched scum and no townie died.

What a delightful day 1.

[Soren]

So, not to bring up inconceivable scenarios, but is it possible that the scum team was entirely inactive, and didn't even make a kill?
Naw, I think it'd be better to put faith into the protective rolls.
But still, it makes me wonder...

Even the inactives posts every once in a while so I doubt it.

[Soren]

These Taylor Swift vote counts and phase post are beautiful.

Onto the matter at hand.

my desire to

kill

LR is quickly rising

I should have noticed this. He said kill rather than lynch. That slip of the tongue was enough to expose his alignment.

Moving on, anti made three votes on day 1. Bookitty, Lucian and himself.

The Bookitty vote was a RVS.

The lucian vote was rather odd since not much was explained. However, Lucian came started with a RVS vote on anti so perhaps it was an OMGUS vote. However, anti's vote on lucian came after lucian voted for esp. Was this anti trying to save his buddy?

Bookitty I will have to rely on you here for a bit since you are aware of anti's meta better than me. But what do you think the lurking as scum meta stems from? The sacredness of not wanting to slip up? The carefulness of not wanting to reveal his potential team mates if he gets lynch and flips scum?

Have you noticed anything about anti's voting patterns with regards to revealing/suggesting his buddy's idenitty? More specifically, will scum anti vote for his team mate? Will scum anti vote for someone as a counter wagon to a current wagon on his team mate?

[Soren]

I'm not voting yet because Im not sure, Lucian.

[Soren]

Bookitty can you reply to my earlier post please.

[Soren]

I would like to hear from Aris.

[Soren]

I would like to hear from Aris.

Can you vote him? I feel we'd hear from him sooner if his wagon was bigger.

I'll consider it.

[Soren]

I'm not in support for the not-voting wagon.

It's just that for what ever reason my head is not the game and I just can't seem to read people.

[Soren]

well, I've got some reads. But it isn't backed up with anything of substance.

[Soren]

Won't be voting Anti ever.

Why?

Who were the scum on the Anti wagon?

SEL

I've actually thinking EP was scum for a while, but that was just based on role speculation (we're due for a temp-Hatred to be scum.)

Do you think Soren, LR, and I are all scum? Or just one? Or two?

@Soren
Why did you include Aris if you don't have a read on him?
Why would LR's wordiness affect your read on him if you two have played together? Is he not usually wordy?

I would also like you to point out the 20% of Boo's scummy actions, as well as my fluff and iffy posts.

I don't think you are scum, I think EP is scum.

What's the EP scum read?

[Soren]

ika has only made two posts so far hmmm

[Soren]

I can't say that I see the Aris scum read honestly.

[Soren]

A quick skim of Aristophanes' iso tells me that he's either a busy person or has limited access to a pc, possibly both, thus he hasn't posted much. But when he does post, he contributes by offering his thoughts, tries to understand the line of thoughts behind reads and most importantly, he votes.

One problem I see is the lack of his own reads, he's trying to understand other people's reads more than giving his own reads.

[Soren]

Okay, LucianRoy. I have a couple things to say.

Drawn on Arrival just ended, allowing me to say something about Ika. He lurks a lot as scum, as that game will attest. Since he replaced in, he hasn't contributed a thing. I'm watching that slot and if he continues this trend, my vote is going there.

What's the scum motivation for pushing Antihero's lynch and then not stepping in to vote him to take the towncred? Was he NOT going to be lynched without my vote? (Hint: he was lynched anyway -- just letting you know.) If I were scum, why wouldn't I jump on that vote to ensure that you would think I was town? Why would I push for his lynch in the first place if I were scum?

What is your deal anyway? It really seems to me that you're trying to push the idea of me as scum without getting your own hands dirty with a vote and without giving reasons that make ANY kind of sense. So what's your major malfunction?

I'd really like to know.

I agree with the ika meta read. He did the same with his hydra in the greatest idea mafia game I was in and he turned out to be scum.

[Soren]

Bookitty what's your read on empking?

[Soren]

A quick skim of Aristophanes' iso tells me that he's either a busy person or has limited access to a pc, possibly both, thus he hasn't posted much. But when he does post, he contributes by offering his thoughts, tries to understand the line of thoughts behind reads and most importantly, he votes.

One problem I see is the lack of his own reads, he's trying to understand other people's reads more than giving his own reads.

"Trying" to understand other people's reads is one of the easiest things to fake a scum.

I feel if Aris was town he'd actually look at the wagons, identify the people on them, read the cases each had provided for the wagons, and ask specific questions about things he didn't agree with or understand fully.

"WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR TAYLOR SWIFT? I DON'T GET IT. CAN SOMEONE POST A CASE FOR ME PLEASE," isn't trying to understand the wagons. It's a lazy attempt to appear sooooo relatable and sooooo town because townies have doubts and are skeptical about things.

AND HE'S DONE IT THREE TIMES!

That's a pretty good point. I can definitely see scum doing this.

[Soren]

Sup

not much you?

Obvious scum.

Vote: ika

[Soren]

I like kitties

I prefer doggies.

woof woof

[Soren]

Sarcasm?

[Soren]

woof woof

Woof woof

[Soren]

What purpose does knowing that serve?

Firstly, don't interfere. Secondly, do something. Your iso is literally a wasteland.

How would you have viewed me if Anti flipped town?

don't know, don't care

The thing is, you jumped on me on the start of day 2 after not mentioning me day 1 at all as far as I can see. Yesterday, I didn't want to lynch for lurking, and I wanted a claim before a hammer. It seems pretty reasonable. However, me not voting him makes me an obvious target today

because he flipped scum

. I think you wouldn't have pushed me today if he didn't flip scum, and I think your reluctance to answer that questions says as much. The opportunistic nature of the vote worries me. You seemingly voted me seeing support for my lynch today.

Ok you don't like the idea of lynching someone for lurking but thars only half the story. Why aren't you commenting a out the meta read on anti? And more importantly, comment on how viable you think the meta read is.

[Soren]

Thats*

About*

[Soren]

Soz, I have a completely free day tomorrow.

Literally all your posts are just "promises" to post.

[Soren]

I might have wanted to lynch you if Anti flipped town because the evidence against him was strong and you could have easily been WK'ing him. But him flipping scum makes you look really bad.

But let me get this straight: You are criticizing me for voting for you due to associations with flipped scum because I didn't mention you yesterday?

Was I somehow supposed to know Anti would flip scum and bring it up as a possibility? You are spouting nonsense and trying to discredit Not_Mafia, who is asking important questions.

My voting isn't moving today.

What's wk?

[Soren]

Yep. This is my lowest priority game right now.

For what reasons is this your lowest priroirty game right now?

[Soren]

White Knight probs.

Oh. I see.

[Soren]

2 more votes, 2 more votes

Can you actually post some content this game please.

[Soren]

V O T E C O U N T

2 . 0 8

* *

[...]

Lol that gif

• big quote truncated.

[Soren]

Ah, sorry Marquis and thanks

[Soren]

Do you know that Aristo doesn't have a reason?

What did you think of ika encouraging people to vote the Aristo wagon, apparently in anticipation of being the hammer, without contributing anything of value here?

Do you think Aristo's way of lurking was more offensive than Ika's way of lurking?

I feel like you're just dodging the question about the validity of your meta read on ika.

[Soren]

If you assume prod=replacement then sure, but that's an odd thing to think.

It's not even necessary to assume that.

Aristophanes needs to post actual content or he's likely to be lynched, imo. If he's prodded and he doesn't deliver with something substantial, there's nothing stopping me from moving my vote right back. If I don't like what he posts regardless of its length or depth, then I can vote him again. If he chooses to replace out or is force-replaced for inactivity, that's not going to happen for at least a couple of days. Meanwhile my vote sits there useless.

In the meantime, I can use my vote to pressure someone else who has contributed next to nothing and who has indicated a wish to hammer the leading wagon (yeah, that's how I am interpreting the "two more votes" thing) to actually provide actual content. Already that's been more successful than just planting my vote on Aristo and watering the wagon with my tears and recriminations. Espeonage has finally graced us with his presence and expressed some opinions, no matter how misguided or opportunistic I might think they are. I am pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if my vote had just stayed on Aristo.

Though I do see a very bold townie mindset behind this.

[Soren]

I feel like you're just dodging the question about the validity of your meta read on ika.

I can't talk about all of it, so yeah, you're right there I'm sharing what I can.

If it helps in my greatest idea mafia game, the ika hydra I played with was a lurker and she was scum.

I don't know her town meta though.

[Soren]

woof woof

[Soren]

Okay.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aristophanes

I thought you were going to post something substantial and you didn't.

disappointed*

[Soren]

Taylor's mom got cancer ;(

[Soren]

#PrayForMamaSwift

[Soren]

Just curious, what kind of voice do you guys read Bookitty's post in?

[Soren]

im not lurking im jsut wanting a hammer.

You are lurking. Because you're doing absolutely nothing between now and the prophesied hammer.

[Soren]

Boo'a votes are bad, and I think she's super scummy.
I'm really glad Esp popped in to pursue her.
I liked their little joust of reads. It showed me that Esp is actually quite town.
I'm still pinning my vote on DLA doe.
However, if Esp can continue this conversation with Boo, and maintain a very strong scum read on her, I'll be tempted to vote her.

Why are her votes bad?

Why is she super scummy?

While I'm more on Esp's side about the meta read not being very valid. I'm doing the same thing with voting for ika at the moment so I can't really call her vote bad either.

[Soren]

Wait, why are people voting DLA and Ika? I don't get it!

I'm kidding.

I totally agree with Boo here and don't honestly see why everyone is saying the vote reason is so shitty.
In Dawn on Arrival Ika clearly displayed the lurkerscum tendency, and is clearly doing a similar thing here. Boo and many others mentioned this, including Mollie, who Boo has quoted here. I like this wagon.
VOTE: Ika

Espionage
I haven't been active lurking at all. I've literally not checked the thread. At all.
What is your actual case on me!?
I see that you think I'm scummy for active lurking without a reason, you then say that my having a reason would be irrelevant. It makes zero sense.
Also, as I said, I don't see why Boo is scummy, nor why her activity has warranted a vote.

I see people questioning how I could vote Anti on meta reasons without having read the last bit of the thread.
He had been doing this same shit all through the day phase, and I did a very quick skim to see if it had changed in what little time I had.
We caught scum, so I'm happy with the outcome.

Here's a readslist, since apparently I have been unclear and stuff.
Strong Town-lean: Bookitty, EP, KillJester, Lucian
Town-lean: Elyse, Soren
Null: Empking
Light Scum-lean: DLA, NotMafia
Scum-lean: Ika, Espionage

Why is your opening statement a joke? I don't get it.

Just kidding!

Not but seriously I don't get the point of your opening statement.

[Soren]

No one should hammer before a claim, or an inquisition.
But seriously, what is the case for this guy? It's literally all meta!
He's going to return to the thread, see that there's a bunch of votes on him, and he'll try to defend himself... from his meta? From things he did in the past?
I honestly thought we'd make more substantial votes today with a scum-flip on day one, but I guess even that can't save this town.

Ika is obviously not bothered to defend himself or about the game for that matter.

Didn't you vote anti for meta reasons anyways?

[Soren]

The votes on ika are completely insubstantial, and they should be withdrawn.
At least, let him talk before someone jumps the gun.
I can only see this ending badly.
The DLA train went nowhere today.
Backup plan:

VOTE: Bookitty

This was inevitable. Everything led up to this.

I want to see a case for this vote.

[Soren]

Please don't hammer ika. I have reason to believe he is town.

Such as?

[Soren]

Well, I want to take a look at my little wagon for a second.

LucianRoy purports to think that I am either the most fiendishly clever scum in all of MafiaScum or the dumbest. He thinks I went out of my way to bus my buddy Antihero on Day One but then either:

1. Was too dumb to remember to vote Antihero to get the credit, or
2. Was so clever that I stayed off the wagon even though I was one of the motivating forces for the lynch so that no one would accuse me of bussing for towncred

This logic fail is so bad and looks so faked that if LucianRoy hadn't softclaimed (something he seems to be going out of his way to point out, by the way) my vote would be stuck on him like superglue on your fingers.

Espeonage, on the other hand, seems to think it's fine not to read the thread and may believe that he replaced into this game based on this:

Espeonage, have you caught up in the thread?

No, but I never will.

I generally don't read stuff I've missed unless there is a huge reason to. Makes me an economical replacer. It's kind of like doing jump rope and you have to wait for the right moment, at which point you jump in and do the thing.

Since he hasn't even bothered to read the thread, I guess I'm not surprised that Espeonage has adopted LucianRoy's craplogic so eagerly.

I think it's possible that LucianRoy softclaimed to try to out the doctor/protective role. Here are some things that are bothering me:

Also, I can prove my town-role from the events last night.
Considering I wasn't roleblocked.

It has to do with my role only serving the purpose of early town-confirmation.
Plus, if I get that out of the way, people might follow my vote.
Your bait was taken.

This might tie into why I read you scum.
You seem really eager to learn more about my role.

Ok, you know that I softclaimed, right?
If you don't, you should at least go back and read that part.
I forget the post number.

We can assume fairly safely that there's some sort of town-sided protective because there was no nightkill last night. LucianRoy nearly immediately softclaims, but he doesn't claim doctor. It looks like he's trying to draw out a counterclaim. I didn't make too much of it at first because I could see a scenario in which LucianRoy was trying to draw the nightkill away from the actual protective or in which he was just very inexperienced and inexpert with power role play. The reiteration of that softclaim, though, looks to me like one more try at drawing out a counterclaim without actually claiming the protect. Otherwise it makes no sense that LucianRoy would claim nearly immediately at the start of the new day.

If LucianRoy is the doctor/protective, he's played in a way that seems almost designed to ensure that he will be nightkilled, which would not be optimal play for that situation. The timing of his softclaim, however, makes me believe that he is more likely scum trying to elicit a counterclaim from the real protective. If someone claimed doc/whatever, LucianRoy had carefully worded everything to ensure that he couldn't be held responsible for the counterclaim. "I never said I was the doc! OMG how could you claim?" and other faked histrionics and hijinks would undoubtedly ensue.

Nothing I have said should be taken as an invitation to counterclaim LucianRoy -- not that you could, since he's claimed precisely nothing so far.

@DarkLightA: Can you elaborate, please?

Yeah Lucian explain your softclaim.

What is the purpose of the softclaim?

Can you really prove your role? If so, why haven't you done it?

Why are you soft claiming instead of claiming straight away?

If you soft claim you might as well go all the way.

[Soren]

Bookitty, your thoughts on LucianRoy are interesting. However, my gut is telling me that he isn't scum. I don't understand the softclaim though, there really was no reason for it, and now he seems to be riding on a conftown-wave without having confirmed anything at all.

@DarkLightA: Can you elaborate, please?

I'd rather not elaborate yet. However, I have information that could potentially, maybe, possibly exonerate ika. Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

Till then I'm content on Aristophanes.

Hell no.

Look at the votes. A few ninjas votes and ika is gone.

If you've got information that confirms ika as town then reveal it so we don't waste anymore time on ika.

[Soren]

I like the way you're holding that dolphin Tachibana-kun

[Soren]

Cause I'm a lazy ass.

Yes I am voting for ika. I wasn't concerned until you gave new information that can confirm ika's innocence.

[Soren]

Also because earlier you asked Lucian why he softclaimed and Lucian said he said what he needed to say already.

So I wasn't going to ask the same thing again.

[Soren]

Yes I am voting for ika. I wasn't concerned until you gave new information that can confirm ika's innocence.

Why don't you unvote if you're concerned about a L-1 and hammer?

Fine bb.

Unvote: ika

[Soren]

Lucian you failed to answer my questions when you were online.

[Soren]

#PrayForMamaSwift

[Soren]

Well back to ika

Vote: ika

[Soren]

Look at the votes. A few ninjas votes and ika is gone.

Seriously Soren, what's up with your play today? You seem to be more interested in ika's lynch than his flip.

Mama Swift has cancer ;(

[Soren]

What the fuck do you think you're doing?

You were being lynched. I stopped that. Now you comply or get lynched. Full claim.

I don't get what you're doing.

Why don't you just ask everyone to claim and have the game solved.

[Soren]

What if he's a butcher and just wanted to give the police a gift for all their hard work?

Are you really going to claim butcher, Not Mafia? ARE YOU?

<3

Seriously, though, it's like putting big neon signs on a curtain and then forbidding anyone to look at it. "This curtain is private! There's nothing to see here! WHY ARE YOU ALL STARING AT THE CURTAIN?"

The curtain has a pic of taylor swift <3

[Soren]

[ skip to next votecount ]

Ika you can hammer yourself.

[Soren]

Antihero really shouldn't be being wagoned right now anyway, because most of the case is based on meta and disinterest, neither of which are good reasons to wagon someone. Voting has never been good motivator and I have never understood why people think it is.

wut

antihero is dead

and did you really just regurgitate what esp just said

[Soren]

post 723, Bookitty"]I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there, Espeonage.

I have a hate for lurkers. I think it's really shabby to agree to play a game and then lurk all the way through, taking up a slot that might have been used by someone who wanted to play and offering minimal commitment to that game and the other players in it. I think it's really rude at a minimum.

However, it's a proven tactic for scum. It helps to stay off the radar and it allows you to coast until later in the game without attracting any real suspicion.

Drawn on Arrival just ended, and Ika lurked as scum there. Uncouth Mafia ALSO just ended, and Ika lurked as scum there. That's two VERY recent games in which Ika lurked as scum. He was obviously around to perform a night action, though, so that's a sign that he was not avoiding the game during the night phase.

What's wrong with this case?[/quote]

I hate people that use meta. I think it's really shabby to play a game and then use past games instead of playing all the way through, taking up a slot that might have been used by someone who wanted to play and offering minimal commitment to that game and the other players in it. I think it's really rude at a minimum.

However, it's a proven tactic for scum. It helps you not be accountable and it allows you to coast until later in the game without attracting any real suspicion.[/quote]

ah the ol navy seal trick

[Soren]

welp i messed up that quote

[Soren]

If you see mistakes in my theory, please please please point them out to me.

Well for one your claim was completely unnecessarily and you now voided (that part of) your role.

@DarkLightA: I don't understand what you're getting at there. You half-outed your claim and outed Ika as a power role of some sort. If you were town, that would make you a target for scum anyway, so that's too much information. If you're scum, you're providing ~reasons~ not to lynch you without risking being counterclaimed. You're withholding the part that would help town figure out the game.

You're right. My role allows me to respond to a claim by ika, which is why I've been so adamant about that.

I don't think Bookitty's claim was unncessary. Considering that she was under suspicions that you are a self watcher, but she knows that she is a self watcher, thus a counter claim to your soft/semi claim.

[Soren]

Do you think you're twice as bad since you outed two power roles and I outed only part of one?

You're moving back and forth faster than Usain Bolt. You think both ika and I are scum, correct? And now you're criticizing me for outing 'scum' PRs as if I were town? I don't understand...

If DLA was indeed scum outing his own scum, I think that would be way too risky at this point of the game. Considering one of their mafia member is already dead. So I don't think that this is the case here.

DLA's approach has been sketchy, but I think the theory of DLA being scum outing a scum is too risky of a play at this point of the game.

[Soren]

I believe you are scum together, yeah. I don't know that, and I've been wrong before, shockingly enough.

I just think it's odd that you're throwing a fit about me outing myself (something you were fine with before I did it, for the record) while you're at least twice as bad in this regard. It makes me feel more secure in my read on you, like having a warm kitty to hold.

Can I hold kitty to? ^~^

[Soren]

To be honest I'm having serious doubts about you Bookitty. I was pretty sure you were town but some things you've said in this exchange have really irked me.

One of the more interesting things is that you have a two-part role. It seems to me like this is a quite PR-saturated game, especially since we had a "Rolestopper 1-shot strongman", a doctored/blocked nightkill (assumed), and 3 other semi-claimed PRs. This really makes me question whether a town player would be likely to be given a 2-part role.

Disagreement of opinions does not equate scum.

[Soren]

I still don't understand what DLA is doing. Either ika or DLA claim and let's move on.

Unvote

[Soren]

DLA submitted the I'd lie taylor swift song. Is he saying that he's lieing?

Eh probably not.

[Soren]

VOTE: DarkLightA

Regardless there's too much overlap with BooKitty's role and his Elyse push is still absurd and scummy

What Elyse push?

[Soren]

Unless you mean Reflexive Tracker and you would have been told if ika targetted anyone else aswell, you're a self watcher

What, eh, huh? What makes you think ika targeted someone else?

My role is a self-tracker. I passively track players who target me.

Can you explain how this differs from a self-watcher, please?

My role PM says I passively track anyone who targets me.

Wouldn't that be the same as a self-watcher?

[Soren]

Just realised that Bookitty and DLA are both kitties :3

[Soren]

Yeah, that sounds right. Bookitty called it a self-tracker so I went with that. Again, my role doesn't give it a name containing 'tracker' at all. However, the action is that I passively track anyone visiting me at night.

Why don't you just tell us your role name?

[Soren]

Yeah, that sounds right. Bookitty called it a self-tracker so I went with that. Again, my role doesn't give it a name containing 'tracker' at all. However, the action is that I passively track anyone visiting me at night.

Why don't you just tell us your role name?

Just go back and read

Ah sorry I'm still playing the catch up game.

[Soren]

In response to Ika saying he's not rolecop:

@DarkLightA: In case it's not clear, I unvoted Ika to prevent said LOLhammer and to give him a chance to respond to your comments. If he continues avoiding this thread, though, my vote will probably go right back again. This is pretty much a last chance from me.

Ika

p

robably

d

oesn't,

o

r at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

This is my breadcrumb. I'm a

Paranoid Dog Owner

. In retrospect I wish I'd breadcrumbed it more clearly, but previously I've gotten way to much into it and it's gotten me in trouble. You have no idea how long I spent trying to find a suitable verb starting with 'o' though. If you're interested, you'll see there aren't any.

Not exactly the most noticeable breadcrumb...

But I believe you for some reason

[Soren]

Also, since you claim you know that this role has never occurred in MafiaScum, how would you expect anyone to pick up on initials of a role that doesn't exist as a breadcrumb? How did that make sense to you?

I call shenanigans.

If you had his role, how would you breadcrumb it?

[Soren]

DarkLightA: Do you think it's a good idea to lie to town? Why did you do that? What did you hope to gain from it?

I'm pretty sure I answered this before. I was trying to give Ika as little information as possible in the hopes that if he was scum he would make a fakeclaim that I could contest.

How do you know what songs The Bulge submitted as choices, please?

They're quoted in my role PM.

How would you contest the fake claim?

[Soren]

Town don't claim scum. Even in sarcasm. But scum do claim scum when they're feeling cheeky. That's what I'm guessing you were going for.

I have done both, in fact I did the latter earlier in this game

So... err.. you're scum?

[Soren]

DLA's posting and behavior is too odd for a mafia imo.

[Soren]

Paranoid dog owner could be a mafia role too though

[Soren]

Town don't claim scum. Even in sarcasm. But scum do claim scum when they're feeling cheeky. That's what I'm guessing you were going for.

I have done both, in fact I did the latter earlier in this game

Actually, you're name does it for you already Well, in the opposite way that is.

[Soren]

Wait for Lucian to post. He'll be able to solve all this.

[Soren]

Also, since you claim you know that this role has never occurred in MafiaScum, how would you expect anyone to pick up on initials of a role that doesn't exist as a breadcrumb? How did that make sense to you?

I call shenanigans.

If you had his role, how would you breadcrumb it?

I DO have his role, basically. I didn't breadcrumb it. I see no reason to breadcrumb a self-watching role; why would I?

In cases where I have breadcrumbed, I took the practical effect of the role and used a word that would hint at it without telling it. The best breadcrumb I ever picked up on was a game long ago in which Flameaxe said, "Let's just lynch (I don't remember who) and we'll have donuts after."

That's how I knew he was the cop. I don't think anyone else picked up on it

Is your role description the same as DLA?

[Soren]

NM is your partner DLA or Aris?

DLA

[Soren]

Anyways I don't like what NM is doing right now.

VOTE: Note_Mafia

[Soren]

At a guess, Soren, DLA's role description is quite different than mine, since I think he's scum.

We can't quote from our role PMs so I don't have a clue if it's the same wording or not.

Hmmm. I do find it odd that there are two very similar roles in the same game.

[Soren]

Been looking at some not_mafia's meta.

He does weird shit.

[Soren]

ika who are you scum reads?

[Soren]

Haha ika was scum!

Meta read ftw

[Soren]

I HAVE GIVEN ENOUGH FUCKIGN SHIT AND FUCKING CLUSE TO WHAT THE FUCK I AM. I AM NOT FUCKING CLAIMING B/C ITS 10 TIMES MORE ANTI-TOWN FOR ME TO GOD DAMNED CLAIM.

Ahahahahahahahhaahaha

[Soren]

i doubt i was roleblocked.

nobody is actuly trying to read me and jsut wants the easy way out. like if people tried to figure the shit out they would be more aware but everyoen is jsut "info inof info"

nobody considers anything past base level

I sort of see the scum play here. Not even bothered to defend himself so he gets other people to do it for him. Well, he "tries" to get people to do it for him I should say.

Lol

[Soren]

Also there should be one scum left right?

[Soren]

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ika has been on since, let's just lynch him, he's being actively useless at this point

Town-posting

Are you only saying that because you both have pokemon avatars...

[Soren]

Boo has been ok recently, ika is town, DLA is maybe town and defs a PR.

I am not happy with any of the current lynch options.

What's the certainty behind ika being town but DLA is maybe town?

[Soren]

DLA you had reasons to believe that ika was town because of your role. And you wanted him to claim, what role was you even expecting him to claim and did you really think that ika would claim so easily?

[Soren]

That last but should be "did you really think that ika would claim just because you asked?"

[Soren]

I've read up and am currently torn on the lynch options.
How sure are we that Ika is scum? This recent bit makes me really wary.
Ika, voting would be helpful to know where you're at. Are you against all the lynch options at this point? If so, who would be the best vote?
Is informed scum common on this site?

UNVOTE:

This post doesn't look good at all. He's asking for people to do the thinking for him.

[Soren]

You're annoying as fuck

I wonder if scum killed Elyse because Elyse called ika annoying lol.

[Soren]

VOTE: ika

Why did you vote for Aris only to hammer ika after Elyse voted for ika?

[Soren]

I've been meaning to ask.

What does REDACTED mean?

[Soren]

I targeted no one either.

How is a self watcher able to target someone? Why would you even say that you didn't target anyone when you have a passive role?

Then again you said that there is another part of your role? So you have another ability but didn't use it? Why?

[Soren]

Lucian do you still think that Bookitty is scum?

Also I don't understand your soft claim at all. Given the nature of the roles, scum could claim their role and gain some town cred as the role itself might not scream scum.

Your soft claim is weird because I get the feeling that you did it just because you felt like it? Weird. I'm not used to seeing you claim/soft claim until it is necessary such as preventing a mislynch on yourself.

[Soren]

Also I miss playing with you on MAL.

[Soren]

VOTE: Aristophanes

This is our best chance to actually hit scum, but ika needs to go pre-lylo

Before this Aris vote you had a vote on ika and ika was at L-2. Then you change your vote to Aris because he's the best chance at hitting scum? And then two votes goes on ika putting him at L-1 and then you decide to hammer? Which clearly goes against your reason for voting Aris, the reason being that you thought that the Aris lynch was the best chance at hitting scum.

It looks like you wanted to hammer ika to gain town cred.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Soren]

Nice location

Woof woof

[Soren]

Lucian do you still think that Bookitty is scum?

Also I don't understand your soft claim at all. Given the nature of the roles, scum could claim their role and gain some town cred as the role itself might not scream scum.

Your soft claim is weird because I get the feeling that you did it just because you felt like it? Weird. I'm not used to seeing you claim/soft claim until it is necessary such as preventing a mislynch on yourself.

My claim is weird because my role is weird. Enh, not exactly weird, but rudimentary would best describe it. It doesn't have a lot of uses, so I'm trying to use it to it's full effect... then I forgot to send my night action...
I also wanted to full claim today, but now I'm not so sure.

If there's still any extreme cases of doubt about my alignment, I could just full claim, but it won't be as fully substantiated as I would have liked.

Hmmmm I'll believe it when I see it.

[Soren]

Not a strong argument. Scum weren't told that ika was the traitor, they just knew

someone

was the traitor.

Welp there goes my suspicion.

Aris it is.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Soren]

Scum reads Aris?

[Soren]

Will he respond...

[Soren]

I targeted no one either.

How is a self watcher able to target someone? Why would you even say that you didn't target anyone when you have a passive role?

Then again you said that there is another part of your role? So you have another ability but didn't use it? Why?

What do you hope to gain from this line of questioning, Soren?

1. Why are you dodging the question with your own question?

2. Unless you have a satisfactory reason to not answer my questions, please respond to my questions.

3. In response to your question. There is a paranoid dog owner who is confirmed town at this stage of the game. While there is also you who has claimed self watcher which is seemingly the same role as DLA. I don't really see why there would be two incredibly similar roles in a game. As I said before, given the nature of the roles, anyone can claim their role without the role screaming scum at someone. In my Greatest Idea Mafia game, someone claimed an investigative role. Did I assume he was town based on that? Yes. Why? Investigative roles are usually town. In my experience at least. But what did this guy's alignment turn out to be? Werewolf. So given such a past experience I can no longer safely assume that someone is town simply based on a role claim that is

generally

a townie role. So I begin to ask myself two questions: 1. Why are there two similar [town] roles in a game? 2. Can I safely assume that Bookitty is a townie self watcher simply based on her claim?

Under close inspection, there's two response to the first question. Perhaps there are two similar town roles in the game, I mean, they're not entirely the same role anyways. And there appear to be multiple of the same roles in the game anyways due to ika's role description saying that there is another faith healer. But the difference between ika's case and yours, is that you don't share the same role name as DLA. But of course, everyone has their own role catered to them based on their song choosing.

And the answer to question 2 is that I cannot safely assume that Bookitty is townie simply based on your claim. This is because I can imagine a self watcher who is mafia aligned because it is an informative role and is useful to mafias too.

Anyways the point that I am trying to make that:
1. It seems odd that there are two similar roles in the game and
2. I cannot safely assume that you are town simply based on your claim.

[Soren]

It hasn't really changed much from before tbh. I have kept up, but not really read back on anyone recently.

Espionage and Not Mafia are still the most likely scum from where I'm sitting.
I don't remember anything from Empking, so I'd definitely have to Iso to see where he stands.

Scum reads usually entails you explaining them as well...

Now how long will I have to wait to get his response...

[Soren]

Do you support a mass claim as has been suggested in this thread?

That's a cheap town tactic and takes away the fun of the game. Having said that, if we really have nothing going on at the moment then I'm not entirely against it.

Are you trying to pressure me to full claim right now?

Not really. I'm just saying that I can't safely assume that your role is town aligned.

What do you think the advantage of my full-claiming before the mass claim would be, Soren?

Uhhh if you claim and a mass claim will inevitably follow then there isn't an advantage. Your claim would be part of the mass claim.

If you don't think I'm town by play then you should absolutely push for my lynch.

Your play generally speaks town to me. However, how ever town you may play, there is still the slight chance that you are scum. After all, it's not really that hard to act town. Therefore I will still have to instigate further with regards to my read on you.

Trying to get a full-claim out of me without committing to wanting to lynch me, though, is just rolefishing.

I admit that I'm trying to learn your role a bit more. But that is because it would be more helpful to determining your alignment.

[Soren]

Also, what do you think of the Aris lynch, Boo?

[Soren]

It seems that I was unable to recall that post. Thanks for going to the trouble to bring it to my attention again. ^~^

[Soren]

Did you have a read on Empking, Bookitty? He's been quite a concern to me throughout the game because he has barely contributed and doesn't exactly explain much.

[Soren]

Do*

[Soren]

Town could have a few negative utility roles for all we know, and nothing claimed has been paticularly powerful, there's almost certainly a town faith healer at the least, I'll go dig up the set-up for the T-Swift Upick Marquis ran on our homesite, that one was pretty townsided

What is this homesite?

[Soren]

Marquis is a tease.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6774674

[Soren]

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Oh yeah I havent seen endless in a while

[Soren]

Oh. Marquis don't hate me for stealing your vc post >.<

[Soren]

It's weird how Aris barely said anything in response to people voting for him all game.

[Soren]

Not_Mafia your avatar gets mesmerising sometimes lol.

[Soren]

Yay Lucian

[Soren]

To

[Soren]

Some

[Soren]

[Soren]

Marquis is my favorite mod out of all the games I've played

[Soren]

Can I get a quick readlist from you Aris. I would like it to have no explainations for any of the reads but I want it done immediately as you read this without overly thinking about it. This is not a trap of any kind if you have to put people in null then do it. We can go on from there.

I have yet to read past this point, but I just got here.

Town Lean: KJ, EP, LR, DLA, Boo
Null: Empking, Soren
Scum Lean: Not Mafia, Espionage

These reads vary in strength but are in their general categories.
Sorry for quick post.

It's easy for scum to post a read list without actually explaining their reads.

[Soren]

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Whoa, I'm at L-1!?
I guess I should have seen that coming.

Hey all,
You're about to lynch your Town Compulsive Weak Informed Faith Healer.

That was why I unvoted Ika. I figured since faith healers have a 50/50 chance of healing, town might have two.

I know LR is town because I targetted him N1 and, being weak myself, survived it.
I tried to save Elyse last night, to no avail.

How do we know you didn't just change "

Mafia

Compulsive Weak Informed Faith Healer" to "Town Compulsive Weak Informed Faith Healer"?

[Soren]

Town should be bold in that post.

bbcode fail ;(

sad dogey

[Soren]

Yes sorry I was catching up.

I'm seeking mason.

[Soren]

VOTE: Empking

He hasn't claimed yet right?

[Soren]

We should make a list of all the claims. I'm too lazy to do it.

[Soren]

woof woof?