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Hey ho, good point.
Picking on someone who hasn't even showed up and not confirmed to the game?
I remember you, Lucian, accusing someone of scum for voting for someone who hasn't even showed up in the game yet.
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In post 18, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 16, LucianRoy wrote:What, don't tell me, you're a hated voteless?
not quite, but you have the right idea
What's a hated voteless?
In post 19, Metal Sonic wrote:Egopost
I don't understand this post.
Cute :3-
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In post 18, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 16, LucianRoy wrote:What, don't tell me, you're a hated voteless?
not quite, but you have the right idea
In post 19, Metal Sonic wrote:Egopost
Quiet time of the day.
What is everyone's time zone? Just so I can get an idea of when you guys post.-
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In post 36, Not_Mafia wrote:Soren you're probably accidentally hitting the Q+ button, I think there's a way to disable it in the control panel
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Antihero has only made two post so far but I think him pointing this out is pretty town. Though, maybe he just wants you to turn your back against Endless.
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fallin' for the old "bad drawing next to hello kitty" trick i see, boo
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In post 45, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 43, Bookitty wrote:Because he spotted and commented on your shameless buddying?
kind of, but there's a lot more to it than that
I just finished a game where Soren was scum and his play there consisted of a lot of filler questions that had nothing to do with the game, and a distinct lack of stances. this is the exact opposite of what he's doing in this game. I don't particularly agree with either of his lines of questioning so far, but they are still questions that serve to accomplish a lot more than the ones he asked in his scum game.
it's not a particularly strong read given it's only page fucking 2, but I haven't minded anything he's done so far.
I don't think any of Anti's posts so far are telling either way. do you disagree?
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In post 46, Bookitty wrote:I don't. I think Anti is still in RVS and acting as I'd expect for that phase.
I think Soren made the first step toward pulling us out of RVS. I tend to find that townish, so I think Soren is definitely lean-town for it. I don't know Soren at all, though. (Soren, do you prefer being called he or she?)
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In post 49, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 46, Bookitty wrote:I don't. I think Anti is still in RVS and acting as I'd expect for that phase.
I think Soren made the first step toward pulling us out of RVS. I tend to find that townish, so I think Soren is definitely lean-town for it. I don't know Soren at all, though. (Soren, do you prefer being called he or she?)
do you have any other reads at this point?
In post 47, Soren wrote:Huh, I don't remember playing with you?
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Ohhhh you're a hydra.
So how comes metal sonic was allowed to post with his normal account?Last edited by Marquis on Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:34 am, edited 2 times in total.-
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In post 30, Espeonage wrote:Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?
Vote: Not_Mafia
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In post 53, Elyse wrote:In post 30, Espeonage wrote:Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?
Vote: Not_Mafia
Where did EP say they have a double vote?
Considering they voted The Bulge and then Antihero and only the Antihero vote showed up in the VC, I don't know how you came to this conclusion.
Yeah I was also confused as to where Espeonage made that doublevote comment from. I thought I missed a claim or something.-
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In post 71, Empking wrote:Soren: How many games have you played?
This is my fourth game on mafiascum.
I've probably played somewhere around 40+ games elsewhere though.
In post 72, Bookitty wrote:@MOD:Could we have a gentle and kind prod on Aristophanes and Om of the Nom, please?
In other news, I'm pretty sure Endless Possibilities is town. Soren too.
What's the town read on Endless?
In post 73, Aristophanes wrote:Hey Everyone!
Sorry I hadn't been here yet. Weekends I work a shit tonne and am usually pretty much V/LA for.
In post 38, Soren wrote:Endless Possibilities seems to be trying to get in Bookitty's good book.
I saw all that as obviously RVS playfulness, not shameless buddying.In post 43, Bookitty wrote:In post 41, Endless Possibilities wrote:soren is town. discuss
Because he spotted and commented on your shameless buddying?
Soren & Bookitty, what makes this buddying? It was just the posted picture, right?
Soren, do you get anything alignment indicative from EP's apparent buddying on Boo and yourself?
Espionage, how did you know it was EP and not Lucian that was the doublevoter?In post 30, Espeonage wrote:Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?
Vote: Not_Mafia
At the time of this post I see no way to have known that information.
Also, EST is my timezone. I saw someone (Soren?) ask that.
Easy does it. I'm here!Bookitty wrote:@MOD:Could we have a gentle and kind prod on Aristophanes and Om of the Nom, please?
In other news, I'm pretty sure Endless Possibilities is town. Soren too.
I don't really see anything alignment indicative other than Endless being playful with Bookitty, which may just be masking the fact that he wants to get in BooKitty's good book, but I think he's probably more clever than this, so I'll have to agree with you that it's more likely to be RVS playfullness. Calling me town on the other hand, is based on meta reading. I don't see much buddying from that.
In post 75, Antihero wrote:my desire to kill LR is quickly rising
You said kill instead of lynch?
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In post 60, LucianRoy wrote:In post 31, Soren wrote:
Hey ho, good point.
Picking on someone who hasn't even showed up and not confirmed to the game?
I remember you, Lucian, accusing someone of scum for voting for someone who hasn't even showed up in the game yet.
Hypocrisy much?
It's okay when I do it. Lol.
You know how much of a hypocrite I am Soren. When I played as conf. town with a guard-role, I ran that game like a dictatorship by forcing people's reads, and then killing them for giving me bad reads. However, in a 5 scum game, with an sk, we ended on day four.
No, but seriously, in the game where I voted her because of voting lurkers, I read that vote as a slip when he showed up just after she voted him for that divine reason of not posting in the thread.
In her case, she was trying to bait out the lurkers. My vote's just an RVS.
Her appearance in game also threw me off. She usually votes her friends because they know it's just a joke, but not in that case.
Double standards.
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In post 10, The Bulge wrote:Marquis your formatting never fails to impress me.
VOTE: killerjester
Proper nouns begin with an uppercase letter, fool.
- accidental quote removed, and thank you
In post 11, The Bulge wrote:Whoa why did it quote that Marquis help pls
I think it's time you say something else.
In post 62, Elyse wrote:In post 55, Bookitty wrote:Look at the number of votes on Antihero, please.
Carry on
Huh huh huh?
Started of strong with a non-RVS vote but didn't follow up with it later. Where are you?
In post 30, Espeonage wrote:Piesonic, is your doublevote permanent or just for today as well?
Vote: Not_Mafia
Came to a weird assumption and hasn't explained himself after multiple cases of interrogating.
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In post 82, Elyse wrote:There are currently three votes for Antihero despite only LR and EP having votes on him. So EP is a doublevoter.
I didn't realize initially because I thought the votes would be split based on the last two votes rather than count twice for one person.
Ohhhh. Lucian and Endless voted for antihero, but the vote count says there are 3 votes on them.
But where did you draw the assumption that Endless of the doublevoter? Could it not be Lucian?-
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In post 83, Soren wrote:In post 82, Elyse wrote:There are currently three votes for Antihero despite only LR and EP having votes on him. So EP is a doublevoter.
I didn't realize initially because I thought the votes would be split based on the last two votes rather than count twice for one person.
Ohhhh. Lucian and Endless voted for antihero, but the vote count says there are 3 votes on them.
But where did you draw the assumption that Endlessisthe doublevoter? Could it not be Lucian?
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In post 85, Elyse wrote:Well EP already hinted at something with his votes being altered when he said someone was on the right track for calling him voteless.
Oh I should read through that part again.-
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In post 126, LucianRoy wrote:In post 121, Soren wrote:Meta reading LucianRoy, I'm leaning scum because of how he explains himself more than trying to scum hunt.
VOTE: LucianRoy
Soren, you gotta be kiddin' me. The last time I scum-read you, I ended up forcing a cop claim from you day 1. But you, on the other hand, were actually playing scummy. I entered the game late in the phase, and needed a snap decision. Unfortunately, forcing a cop claim is just about the worst thing you could do day-one. So, when I play a town-game, you read me scum, and when you play a town-game, I read you as scum. This has never worked out for either of us. By this logic, since you actually appear town to me right know, should I be reading you scum?
Our reads of each other do tend to be all over the place some times.
Meta reading is certainly not the best tool available.
I'll have to examine your posts a bit more.-
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In post 20, Bookitty wrote:I love all of you very much.
Except Not_Mafia. His vote on me is just another example of his lack of human feelings and his overall scumminess. He's the sort of villain who helps little old ladies halfway across the street and kicks over Hello Kitty toy displays.
For shame, Not_Mafia. For shame.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
I don't know why there was a need to tell us that you love all of us. Especially for the first post of the game.
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In post 138, Bookitty wrote:In post 137, Soren wrote:What do you make of all those votes on you anti?
@Soren: What do you expect to learn from Anti's answer to this question?
Well if he is town then maybe he can point out some scum motivated votes that are placed on him.
But my main priority is to try and get people to speak up because this has been a very quiet few days.
Not mafia and antihero seems to show a lack of regards with the amount of votes on them.-
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In post 145, Bookitty wrote:Okay, that's at least twice that you've asked questions for which you don't seem to have any reasoning or any idea what you would do with the answers thereto.
If you read the entire post in which that comment appears, you could note that the post and the vote were part of a joke directed at Not Mafia, with whom I have played before.
VOTE: Soren
I didn't particularly like you sheeping me onto LucianRoy and then backing your own reasons while not moving your vote. I don't like your "trying to look busy" questions that don't seem designed to elicit anything even remotely alignment indicative.
"If you read the entire post in which that comment appears, you could note that the post and the vote were part of a joke directed at Not Mafia, with whom I have played before."
And this is what I wanted to know. Why couldn't you of just said this earlier? I'm not going to go through your profile and see what games you've posted on just to see if you've played with not_mafia before.
"while not moving your vote"
Cause I didn't have another suspect to move my vote onto which is why I'm trying to generate some discussion as it's been quiet lately.
"I don't like your "trying to look busy" questions that don't seem designed to elicit anything even remotely alignment indicative."
Well I guess I just wasn't asking the right questions then.-
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In post 149, Bookitty wrote:I think that you are trying to look busy by asking questions that don't actually produce anything useful even if they were answered.
I'm not "trying to look busy". I'm trying to generate some discussion or at least try and get some activity into the game because it's been too quiet for my liking. Judging from the quietness, obviously there hasn't been much to comment about. So of course the things that I point out or ask about won't have much significance. I just wanted to see if maybe I could get more than what there currently is in the game.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Your question to Antihero I'm going to leave alone because he may still answer it and then you could point to his amazingly useful answer and say, "Neener Neener" to me in a smug fashion.
I'm not that kind of person to rub things in people's face so you don't need to worry about that.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Your question to me, however, I feel okay about answering. If you go back (way back) in the game and ask people (including me) about a post that is clearly a RVS joke, they're going to think you're reaching pretty far.
Okay I didn't really realise that it was a joke per se. I just found it odd and didn't really give it any further thought, thus I questioned it.
And I must have overlooked it or didn't really care about it in the beginning, thus I haven't said anything till now.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Either way, asking about it was weird, especially since you then backed off of it by saying you didn't have any expectation about what I would say.
I wouldn't really say that. I just wanted to understand the nature of your post, which you have now explained to me.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:If you didn't think it was a scumtell, why would you ask?
I didn't really like how it was an obvious OMGUS vote. So there was a slight scum read there.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:What did you gain from my answer?
To understand if it really was a RVS vote.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Why did it matter that my vote on Not Mafia was OMGUS?
Because it shows a negative reaction to a simple RVS vote on you.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Asking lots of questions when you don't care about the answers is a pretty common hallmark of scum play.
I wouldn't say that I didn't care about the answer. I ask because I want to know/learn something and gather information which may help in outing scum.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:The whole interaction between the two of you is odd. I don't like it and I don't trust it.
We're referencing quite a few games we've had together in the past.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:I think you're scummy for it.
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In post 152, LucianRoy wrote:Speaking of interactions, Soren, you said something about looking over my posts earlier. Any fruit on the vine?
After going over some of your posts again, I didn't really put much thought when I voted for you. I was mainly influenced by other people's reasons for voting for you.
You don't exactly scream scum to me right now.
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In post 161, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 158, LucianRoy wrote:
We could play hot-potato with Antihero, and see what happens.
But, if he ends up getting replaced since he hasn't posted anything to further my scumread, then you should vote Bookitty.
we can start with boobkitty
VOTE: bookitty
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In post 164, Aristophanes wrote:
Can you elaborate on these reads please? What gives you town reads on them?In post 99, Endless Possibilities wrote:Soren is town as shit, Bookitty is probably town.
Does their recent butting of heads change this for you?
Wait, what kind of reads do you have on these guys?In post 102, LucianRoy wrote:
Slight read on Esp.
Slightly stronger read on Anti.
And the weirdest read on Elyse.
I get that you think Anti scummy, right?Was ESP a scum read too or a town read?[Okay, so it was a scum read. What changed this, other than losing steam?]
Also, I don't think you ever elaborated on that read.
You kinda explained what your "weird read" was, but never said which alignment it was being attributed to.
I could see Soren being overly-active scum. He's said an awful lot, but his posts are mostly devoid of content. I had liked his tone while reading through originally, but on a reread he just seems to be floating by.In post 135, Bookitty wrote:Who do you think is scummy, Aristophanes?
Also, pulling at something from RVS when we're 7 pages in is a little ridiculous and, as you pointed out, really had no point to it. Why not try to make conversation around something newer that might actually get a read?
Also, he followed it up with the following:
In the first quote, he admits he didn't think it was a joke, and earlier seemed to not notice it was RVS.In post 151, Soren wrote:<snip>In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Your question to me, however, I feel okay about answering. If you go back (way back) in the game and ask people (including me) about a post that is clearly a RVS joke, they're going to think you're reaching pretty far.
Okay I didn't really realise that it was a joke per se. I just found it odd and didn't really give it any further thought, thus I questioned it.
And I must have overlooked it or didn't really care about it in the beginning, thus I haven't said anything till now.
<snip>In post 149, Bookitty wrote:What did you gain from my answer?
To understand if it really was a RVS vote.
In post 149, Bookitty wrote:Why did it matter that my vote on Not Mafia was OMGUS?
Because it shows a negative reaction to a simple RVS vote on you.
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He then goes on about how he was trying to figure out if it was RVS and make a negative read of you from it.
Seems contradictory, like scum weaving tales.
VOTE: Soren
Ninja'd I think, will read.
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In post 189, Endless Possibilities wrote:vote: Aris
there's a lot of weak questions that don't really lead anywhere. most of his pushes have been on relatively easy targets (Soren, LR) and the Soren push was directly in response to Bookitty asking him who he thought was scummy (as opposed to directly pushing Soren himself). plus he keeps WK'ing people without explaining why he thinks they're town, which is a textbook scum play when they want an easy way to gain town credit without actually being involved in the discussion.
I also don't get what the point of the first paragraph of 164 is. it feels more like he's trying to get me to buy into the Bookitty/Soren shitstorm that's going on as opposed to asking about anything that's alignment indicative. Bookitty is town for generally being proactive and making strong pushes on people - I haven't put too much thought into it but MS also agrees with me there.
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In post 209, killerjester wrote:In post 121, Soren wrote:Meta reading LucianRoy, I'm leaning scum because of how he explains himself more than trying to scum hunt.
VOTE: LucianRoy
Meta reading implies purposeful comparison of a person's behavior across multiple games.
In post 155, Soren wrote:In post 152, LucianRoy wrote:Speaking of interactions, Soren, you said something about looking over my posts earlier. Any fruit on the vine?
After going over some of your posts again, I didn't really put much thought when I voted for you. I was mainly influenced by other people's reasons for voting for you.
You don't exactly scream scum to me right now.
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Basically stating he lied about the meta reading. Why?
VOTE: Soren
The meta read was based on a gut feeling which I didn't put much thought into it.-
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In post 220, LucianRoy wrote:In post 210, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 208, Soren wrote:I feel like Om is just not really paying much attention to the game and sheeping votes from those who he reads as town.
that may or may not be partly what im doing
im still not in this game 100% so im wading a bit until i find something truly worth investigating
Investigating.
Hmmm...
Yeah I noticed that too and didn't want to point it out in case she really does have an investigative role. But I guess cat's out of the bag now.
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In post 232, DarkLightA wrote:I'm gut scum reading him. I never said anything about gut reads of his.
Ah I misread.
Is it really a gut scum read anymore? You've stated that his argument was forced and ended with a weak reason to sheep the vote on me.-
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In post 238, Bookitty wrote:Hmmm. How have I buddied Aristophanes? To my recollection he's barely posted at all.
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In post 241, DarkLightA wrote:In post 240, Bookitty wrote:@Darklight: Why was Aristophanes sheeping me suspicious and Soren's previous sheep wasn't, please?
Point out Soren's sheep to me
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In post 245, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 227, Soren wrote:I find it weird that no one is commenting on Om's obvious sheeping.
what do you think is alignment indicative about it?
In post 229, DarkLightA wrote:LR struck me as particularly town.
elaborate?
cos I can think of some reasons, but I'd like to know what your reasons are
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In post 251, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 238, Bookitty wrote:@Not_Mafia: Do you have any reads yet? Could you share them with us, please?
I hae some town leans
I think we're in multiball.
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In post 255, Bookitty wrote:In post 252, Bookitty wrote:Why do you think multiball, Not_Mafia?
In post 254, Soren wrote:How would you know if it's multi ball?
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In post 282, Endless Possibilities wrote:In post 275, Soren wrote:Do you have an example of Anti being an active town?
literally any game Anti was in where he was town
2 of my recent games with him:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59516
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58358
also I'm still wondering why you think Om sheeping is more likely to come from scum than town
I never explicitly stated that Om's sheeping is more likely to come from scum than town. Though it is implied I guess.
It's just the general lack of care to the game and only popped in to sheep a vote. That's just odd and rather anti town as Om isn't being productive to the game either. So I kind of scum read this.-
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