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[DarkLightA]

Hey all Good to see some of you again, and to those I haven't met before, nice to meet you

I was a bit pissed that I missed the signups to this. I'm quite a big fan, heh. My favorite song at the moment is "Come Back... Be Here" and I also love Crazier, Superstar, and Haunted is brilliant. Ronan gets to me every time.

I've followed the game a bit while I was waiting for a slot to open up, but I'll have a thorough read-through soon and then I'll post my first proper post.

[DarkLightA]

I find it very strange that the game has split into two "factions" the way it has. In my read-through, while not as thorough as I would have liked, I found that Soren and LR struck me as particularly town. Aristophanes struck me as gut scum—I really really really didn't like his wall posts. Bookitty takes a good second place.

I'll go through player-by-player sometime if I get around to doing so. Till then I'm happy to leave my vote here:
VOTE: Aristophanes

[DarkLightA]

So you've read through everything now?

Yep, not too thoroughly, but I read through the thread.

Why didn't you like his gut-scum read?

I'm gut scum reading him. I never said anything about gut reads of his.

What parts about his wall of posts that you didn't like?

In particular #164, the argument against yourself. It feels forced. He (basically) hasn't mentioned you at all up until that point, and then when asked about general scum by Bookitty he resorts to her scumread, and gets a vote in for good measure. "I could see Soren being overly-active scum" just feels like a weak, weak statement.

[DarkLightA]

I feel like Om is just not really paying much attention to the game and sheeping votes from those who he reads as town.

that may or may not be partly what im doing
im still not in this game 100% so im wading a bit until i find something truly worth investigating

Investigating.
Hmmm...

this post is scum trying to look town.

You're not making much of a case here, mister.

[DarkLightA]

Boo and Aristophanese can't possibly both be scum. The buddying is too hard on this one.

[DarkLightA]

Is it really a gut scum read anymore? You've stated that his argument was forced and ended with a weak reason to sheep the vote on me.

It's not really that important; it depends on how you define gut read. I guess you could call it a "light read".

[DarkLightA]

It's just that I don't feel like I have enough to be past the initial stage of reads.

[DarkLightA]

@Darklight: Why was Aristophanes sheeping me suspicious and Soren's previous sheep wasn't, please?

Point out Soren's sheep to me

[DarkLightA]

It's not the nicest thing I've seen, but it has a different feel to it that Aristophanes' vote. Soren's vote was relatively early in the game, and I myself frequently go through a player that I've previously ignored if someone brings out a vote, especially that early. I don't like that it was done without acknowledging Boo's vote though.

On the other hand Aristophanes' post felt—like I said—forced. It felt like he was fitting the scumread to the player, rather than having any natural analysis.

[DarkLightA]

Before I forget (I've forgotten to say something several times already):

@Marquis:

You are absolutely beasting this modding. You also introduced me to a new song! La la, la la la la la...

• Thank you! This is by far my favorite game to mod yet, and I'm glad so many of you appreciate it.

[DarkLightA]

Bloody hell no.

[DarkLightA]

We're not policy lynching. Give me a reason Anti's scum and I'll be the happiest guy in the world, but policy lynching serves no one.

[DarkLightA]

You're misusing the term policy lynch imo. Policy lynches are based in meta, so far as I understand it, and essentially consist of voting someone because of their behaviour in other games. For instance:

Bookitty is a jerk who never contributes in any of her games as scum or town. Therefore, we don't need to see any of her play. Let's just lynch her and get rid of her right now before she ruins this game for everybody.

THAT is a policy lynch.

Antihero is lurking. I've seen him lurk like this before as scum. That's based on his behaviour in THIS game as compared to his behaviour in other games. It's a meta reason and a non-contribution reason, not a policy lynch reason.

If you don't want to vote him for that, okay, but don't dismiss it as a policy lynch.

Okay, that's better. Not cool with it, but that's not a policy lynch then.

[DarkLightA]

I see what you're saying, but I don't agree that his lurking is scummy.

[DarkLightA]

At least let him speak before lynching him, k?

[DarkLightA]

Not cool guys.

We're not policy lynching. Give me a reason Anti's scum and I'll be the happiest guy in the world, but policy lynching serves no one.

I see what you're saying, but I don't agree that his lurking is scummy.

At least let him speak before lynching him, k?

VOTE: DarkLightA

Losing a scumbuddy on D1 for lurking is entirely avoidable and I would expect scum to have some aversion to lynching him. DLA is subtly opposing his lynch but never taking a stance on him. It's what I would try to do as scum but it makes you look really bad if it fails. And it failed.

Do you not think wanting a post before lynch is a fair deal?

[DarkLightA]

I don't think it was a scumslip but I think Soren is town for calling it one

I agree.

[DarkLightA]

Allow me to make a brief case. I don't have too much time due to Easter commitments, but:

Hey all! I'm back!

I'll read up and see what I can do.

I see Anti is pretty close to lynch, but also hasn't been here.
Are these things related or did he do something before disappearing that was scummy?

The only acknowledgment of this post comes from Empking in 316 where he calls it a LOLquicklynch by scum. The interesting thing is that Aristophanes in the next post has "not read back much", but without having done so comes to the conclusion that Anti is scum:

I've not read back much and for that I apologize.

I have limited meta with most players here but from what I can see Anti is just dodging any commitment in this game.
In the meta I have (and apparently a few others as well) Anti is way more active and forthcoming as town.

We've only got a few days left so
VOTE: Anti.

Honestly unsure how much I can be here for the next bit, but I shall do my best!

Seems like a cheap attempt at bussing.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[DarkLightA]

@LucianRoy: Why do you feel the need to claim a PR at L-6?

[DarkLightA]

It has to do with my role only serving the purpose of early town-confirmation.
Plus, if I get that out of the way, people might follow my vote.

I feel like you should have either done a full claim or no claim at all. Doing this hinting thing leads to nothing but an indication of a PR with no town confirmation.

Your bait was taken.

?

[DarkLightA]

LR is town, he's not fucking claiming further.

How do you know?

[DarkLightA]

Have you been ignoring my posts or do you just not like them

Sure, you have a townread on him, as do I. However you have no way of knowing that he is town if I haven't missed something, let alone something that will convince others so. If Lucian does, I think he should have either:

1) Not claimed anything — not alerting scum to PR and not giving IC status.
2) Full claim — alerting scum to PR and giving IC status.

The way it is now it's a mix of the negatives.

[DarkLightA]

I think Ika's town.

[DarkLightA]

Lucian, what is your aim with softclaiming?

[DarkLightA]

I've already said what needs to be said.

Ok

[DarkLightA]

@Killerjester, I agree, that's a good point @475.

I'm going to make a reads list, largely for myself, just to get my thoughts in order.

LucianRoy - I have a good feeling about this guy. His play seems consistent and honest. His reluctance to give more information on the softclaim goes well with 65 and 67, which I like. However, I still don't understand what motive he would have to softclaim anything as opposed to breadcrumbing. I can't see that coming from scum, but I can't understand what kind of plan town would have with it either. His playstyle seems relatively consistent with his only completed game on the site where he played doctor. His playstyle was a bit more playful at the start, and metas based on one game don't count for shit, but I feel comfortable reading him town.

Aristophanes - 171 is bad. Of course people being connected is scummy. I don't have an opinion on Lucian's argument, but I don't like Aristophanes' response. "Plus, how often have you played a game where in D1 you can see obvious scum links and actually had them hold true?" (176) is further shit. He then says "I'm talking in circles I think, and this isn't really helping the game, so I'll stop." and then promptly continues the same thread in the same post. Wants to appear to act town, but doesn't act town. My argument in 417 and I think it's very valid. Scum.

This is taking longer than I expected so I'll stop here with this pathetically short list and go to bed. I'll continue my readlist soon enough.

[DarkLightA]

Vote Aristophanes!

[DarkLightA]

I'd rather vote you atm

Then you're succeeding I guess.

[DarkLightA]

How would you have viewed me if Anti flipped town?

[DarkLightA]

What purpose does knowing that serve?

Firstly, don't interfere. Secondly, do something. Your iso is literally a wasteland.

How would you have viewed me if Anti flipped town?

don't know, don't care

The thing is, you jumped on me on the start of day 2 after not mentioning me day 1 at all as far as I can see. Yesterday, I didn't want to lynch for lurking, and I wanted a claim before a hammer. It seems pretty reasonable. However, me not voting him makes me an obvious target today

because he flipped scum

. I think you wouldn't have pushed me today if he didn't flip scum, and I think your reluctance to answer that questions says as much. The opportunistic nature of the vote worries me. You seemingly voted me seeing support for my lynch today.

[DarkLightA]

Will you ever stop asking questions and actually say something useful?

I'm criticizing her for picking me as an easy lynch in light of a scumwagon that I wasn't on.

[DarkLightA]

This isn't "lynch all lurkers" this is "lynch someone who famously lurks as scum for lurking"

I still don't think that was a slip, but there's something to be said for pointing it out as one

I don't think it was a scumslip but I think Soren is town for calling it one

These are literally the only statements you've made this game.

[DarkLightA]

However, me not voting him makes me an obvious target today because he flipped scum.

Ein minuten, bitte. Aren't you townreading LucianRoy right now? And didn't he go after me specifically because I didn't vote Antihero (though I provided evidence for the wagon)? Isn't that exactly what you're accusing Elyse of right now?

Do you see the problem I'm having with your reasoning here?

Unless I'm blind there's a lot more to his case than that.

[DarkLightA]

LucianRoy n Bookitty	Elyse n DarkLightA
LR mentioned Kitty approx. 20 times D1	Elyse mention DLA 0 times D1
LR suspicion started before lynch	Elyse suspicion started after lynch
LR's response to Kitty's voting started before the flip	Elyse response to DLA's voting started after the flip
Kitty agreed with the Anti wagon	DLA expressed a null attitude to the Anti wagon

[DarkLightA]

On Mobile so I will be brief. Not_mafia please read the context in which I mentioned policy lynching and you'll see how misleading your statement there is. Bookitty, I'm showing how the elyse attack is different to the lucianroy attack, unlike what you were saying.

[DarkLightA]

Prodge.

I'm not scum.

[DarkLightA]

I might have wanted to lynch you if Anti flipped town because the evidence against him was strong and you could have easily been WK'ing him. But him flipping scum makes you look really bad.

But let me get this straight: You are criticizing me for voting for you due to associations with flipped scum because I didn't mention you yesterday?

Was I somehow supposed to know Anti would flip scum and bring it up as a possibility? You are spouting nonsense and trying to discredit Not_Mafia, who is asking important questions.

My voting isn't moving today.

Your vote felt opportunistic. And it bothers me that you'd see me as scummy regardless of his flip. That would give you all the more reason to mention it yesterday for the record.

[DarkLightA]

Please don't hammer ika. I have reason to believe he is town.

[DarkLightA]

Bookitty, your thoughts on LucianRoy are interesting. However, my gut is telling me that he isn't scum. I don't understand the softclaim though, there really was no reason for it, and now he seems to be riding on a conftown-wave without having confirmed anything at all.

@DarkLightA: Can you elaborate, please?

I'd rather not elaborate yet. However, I have information that could potentially, maybe, possibly exonerate ika. Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

Till then I'm content on Aristophanes.

[DarkLightA]

@DarkLightA: In case it's not clear, I unvoted Ika to prevent said LOLhammer and to give him a chance to respond to your comments. If he continues avoiding this thread, though, my vote will probably go right back again. This is pretty much a last chance from me.

Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

[DarkLightA]

I have no clue what you're saying here.

Let's see what/if ika claims and we'll take it from there.

[DarkLightA]

Soren, I had you as a strong townread but there's several problems with your recent posts:

Spoiler: Truncated

Well, I want to take a look at my little wagon for a second.

LucianRoy purports to think that I am either the most fiendishly clever scum in all of MafiaScum or the dumbest. He thinks I went out of my way to bus my buddy Antihero on Day One but then either:

1. Was too dumb to remember to vote Antihero to get the credit, or
2. Was so clever that I stayed off the wagon even though I was one of the motivating forces for the lynch so that no one would accuse me of bussing for towncred

This logic fail is so bad and looks so faked that if LucianRoy hadn't softclaimed (something he seems to be going out of his way to point out, by the way) my vote would be stuck on him like superglue on your fingers.

Espeonage, on the other hand, seems to think it's fine not to read the thread and may believe that he replaced into this game based on this:

Espeonage, have you caught up in the thread?

No, but I never will.

I generally don't read stuff I've missed unless there is a huge reason to. Makes me an economical replacer. It's kind of like doing jump rope and you have to wait for the right moment, at which point you jump in and do the thing.

Since he hasn't even bothered to read the thread, I guess I'm not surprised that Espeonage has adopted LucianRoy's craplogic so eagerly.

I think it's possible that LucianRoy softclaimed to try to out the doctor/protective role. Here are some things that are bothering me:

Also, I can prove my town-role from the events last night.
Considering I wasn't roleblocked.

It has to do with my role only serving the purpose of early town-confirmation.
Plus, if I get that out of the way, people might follow my vote.
Your bait was taken.

This might tie into why I read you scum.
You seem really eager to learn more about my role.

Ok, you know that I softclaimed, right?
If you don't, you should at least go back and read that part.
I forget the post number.

We can assume fairly safely that there's some sort of town-sided protective because there was no nightkill last night. LucianRoy nearly immediately softclaims, but he doesn't claim doctor. It looks like he's trying to draw out a counterclaim. I didn't make too much of it at first because I could see a scenario in which LucianRoy was trying to draw the nightkill away from the actual protective or in which he was just very inexperienced and inexpert with power role play. The reiteration of that softclaim, though, looks to me like one more try at drawing out a counterclaim without actually claiming the protect. Otherwise it makes no sense that LucianRoy would claim nearly immediately at the start of the new day.

If LucianRoy is the doctor/protective, he's played in a way that seems almost designed to ensure that he will be nightkilled, which would not be optimal play for that situation. The timing of his softclaim, however, makes me believe that he is more likely scum trying to elicit a counterclaim from the real protective. If someone claimed doc/whatever, LucianRoy had carefully worded everything to ensure that he couldn't be held responsible for the counterclaim. "I never said I was the doc! OMG how could you claim?" and other faked histrionics and hijinks would undoubtedly ensue.

Nothing I have said should be taken as an invitation to counterclaim LucianRoy -- not that you could, since he's claimed precisely nothing so far.

@DarkLightA: Can you elaborate, please?

Yeah Lucian explain your softclaim.

What is the purpose of the softclaim?

Can you really prove your role? If so, why haven't you done it?

Why are you soft claiming instead of claiming straight away?

If you soft claim you might as well go all the way.

Why the hell haven't you spoken up on this before? This has been quite a big deal, why is it first now that you come with these questions?

I'd rather not elaborate yet. However, I have information that could potentially, maybe, possibly exonerate ika. Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

Till then I'm content on Aristophanes.

Hell no.

Look at the votes. A few ninjas votes and ika is gone.

If you've got information that confirms ika as town then reveal it so we don't waste anymore time on ika.

YOU are voting ika. If you're so concerned about a sudden LOL L-1 and LOLhammer, why don't you just... I dunno... Unvote like Bookitty and any other sensible, concerned person?

I'm not saying anything more until we have a claim from ika. End of story.

[DarkLightA]

Yes I am voting for ika. I wasn't concerned until you gave new information that can confirm ika's innocence.

Why don't you unvote if you're concerned about a L-1 and hammer?

[DarkLightA]

Coolio

[DarkLightA]

im 99% sure where dla is going with this and i can confirm what he might be implying

(im at school and glancing)

You don't know shit. Give me a full claim or I'll ensure that you go back to L-1 if that would help you at all.

[DarkLightA]

What's your impression of the DarkLightA-Ika thing, Empking?

I'd rather not have any discussion at this point.

[DarkLightA]

Sorry, I realize I worded that poorly. You can discuss anything, I'd just rather not have any discussion on the ika-DLA dynamic.

[DarkLightA]

Look at the votes. A few ninjas votes and ika is gone.

Seriously Soren, what's up with your play today? You seem to be more interested in ika's lynch than his flip.

[DarkLightA]

I'm not a tracker.

If the next post you post doesn't contain a full claim I will vote you.

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: ika

[DarkLightA]

I suggest you claim.

[DarkLightA]

What the fuck do you think you're doing?

You were being lynched. I stopped that. Now you comply or get lynched. Full claim.

[DarkLightA]

Firstly, I don't know what this means:

come one how fun is it when i claim when if you read my post you can see what im claiming?

and secondly, this:

when i claim

might never happen if you don't act quickly.

The way you're acting now I think several people will be more than happy to hammer.

[DarkLightA]

I thought things through and I actually think ika's scum.

[DarkLightA]

I don't know anymore. I'm going to bed. I don't really care what happens to ika.

[DarkLightA]

[ skip to next votecount ]

Is that a scum claim?

[DarkLightA]

Well good night.

[DarkLightA]

To be fair he hasn't responded after Elyse's post of intent.

[DarkLightA]

@Bookitty, which part of this:

I'd just rather not have any discussion on the ika-DLA dynamic.

is ambiguous to you?

I'll explain everything if ika claims.

[DarkLightA]

[ skip to next votecount ]

I'm perfectly content lynching ika for his reluctance to claim. His behavior has been anti-town at best.

[DarkLightA]

Ika, you're going to die. I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by not claiming.

You do know that there are quite a few possible roles in mafia, correct?

[DarkLightA]

Can you explain now, DarkLightA? Surely if Ika looks like scum to you now, there's no reason to withhold your evidence, right?

Why do you keep on fishing? I am not saying anything before ika claims, leave it or take it.

[DarkLightA]

I don't see how he can know that Ika targeted him

I never said this.

[DarkLightA]

(...) I'm going to out part of my role in my next post to support that argument unless someone tells me absolutely not to in my next post.

This irks me in all the wrong ways. Why are you not making the decision yourself? You're the one with the information—you're the one who can make the best call. I don't see any need for incriminating arguments at this stage unless something flips around.

[DarkLightA]

We already know way too much about both Ika and DarkLightA.
(...)
Can you explain now, DarkLightA? Surely if Ika looks like scum to you now, there's no reason to withhold your evidence, right?

Explain.

[DarkLightA]

I don't see how he can know that Ika targeted him

I never said this.

you have heavly been implying it though

You have, I haven't.

Ika you can hammer yourself.

deadline sure

Riddle me this, would you rather self-hammer than claim?
Is that only to "make the game more interesting for yourself" or does it serve a benefit to town?

[DarkLightA]

Oh yay mass claim

[DarkLightA]

We already know way too much about both Ika and DarkLightA.
(...)
Can you explain now, DarkLightA? Surely if Ika looks like scum to you now, there's no reason to withhold your evidence, right?

Explain.

What happened to this by the way?

[DarkLightA]

If you see mistakes in my theory, please please please point them out to me.

Well for one your claim was completely unnecessarily and you now voided (that part of) your role.

@DarkLightA: I don't understand what you're getting at there. You half-outed your claim and outed Ika as a power role of some sort. If you were town, that would make you a target for scum anyway, so that's too much information. If you're scum, you're providing ~reasons~ not to lynch you without risking being counterclaimed. You're withholding the part that would help town figure out the game.

You're right. My role allows me to respond to a claim by ika, which is why I've been so adamant about that.

[DarkLightA]

(...) and you've outed yourself for no purpose.

You're one to talk.

UNVOTE:

I have to rethink

[DarkLightA]

Do you think you're twice as bad since you outed two power roles and I outed only part of one?

You're moving back and forth faster than Usain Bolt. You think both ika and I are scum, correct? And now you're criticizing me for outing 'scum' PRs as if I were town? I don't understand...

[DarkLightA]

To be honest I'm having serious doubts about you Bookitty. I was pretty sure you were town but some things you've said in this exchange have really irked me.

One of the more interesting things is that you have a two-part role. It seems to me like this is a quite PR-saturated game, especially since we had a "Rolestopper 1-shot strongman", a doctored/blocked nightkill (assumed), and 3 other semi-claimed PRs. This really makes me question whether a town player would be likely to be given a 2-part role.

[DarkLightA]

This is getting a bit out of hand so I'll claim and explain my motivations and we'll take it from there.

I am a self-tracker. That is not the official name of my role (the specific name hasn't been used on MS before) in case someone wants to prove themselves as rolecop but it's the gist. I breadcrumbed the role name before.

I tracked ika, and only ika, to myself tonight.

My motivation for softclaiming was that I saw it as unlikely for scum to target me in general. I clearly didn't come out of Day 1 well, and I think there were others much higher on the priority list for scum to target than myself. Thus, I stopped the lynch and I still stand by what I did.

Initially I was convinced that Ika was town, which I hinted in anticipation of having to do what I did:

I think Ika's town.

I thought, given that Ika started off the day wanting to hammer me, that he definitely wasn't cop. I figured he was maybe a watcher or another investigative alternative who didn't get any result. Maybe, given his response to my posts, he's a tracker given that he was pretty adamant about my knowledge coming from me targeting him.

So I claimed and I expected Ika to claim, and then I'd claim and we'd get it all sorted out. That didn't really go as planned. Suddenly I was in a game of chicken and didn't understand why the person I seemingly saved from L-1 or lynch wasn't co-operating given that the only reason he was no longer at L-1 was to give him time to claim before any LOLhammers came in. I still don't understand his motivation to do so.

My thoughts on various Ika roles at the moment:
Roleblocker, either alignment, is not possible as I wasn't roleblocked.
Doctor seems unlikely as I wasn't targeted by anyone else. Clearly not cop.
I'm guessing it's one of {follower, watcher, rolecop, tracker, voyeur} but don't quote me on that. Given his recent actions I don't know what to believe.

[DarkLightA]

I'm not a tracker.

If the next post you post doesn't contain a full claim I will vote you.

So why did you lie?

Ah, yes. I knew there was something I forgot to address. Frankly, I was trying to coerce a claim out of Ika and at that point I was becoming quite uncertain about his alignment. I figured that if I slipped in a white lie I could make him uncertain and hence—if he were scum—could make him fakeclaim something that could be contested. Essentially, I felt that the less information Ika had at the point of claiming, the better. That was also why I resisted discussion on the topic.

Also, what you describe is a self-watcher, not a self-tracker (which makes no sense, because you'd already know where you went). So my point still stands.

My role is a self-tracker. I passively track players who target me. I asked the mod pre-game whether I would also find out who performed the action, as it seemed a bit pointless if I just got to know that whoever I tracked targeted me. He clarified that I get to know who performs the action. My result came in saying that Ika targeted me.

[DarkLightA]

Unless you mean Reflexive Tracker and you would have been told if ika targetted anyone else aswell, you're a self watcher

What, eh, huh? What makes you think ika targeted someone else?

My role is a self-tracker. I passively track players who target me.

Can you explain how this differs from a self-watcher, please?

My role PM says I passively track anyone who targets me.

[DarkLightA]

Regardless there's too much overlap with BooKitty's role

Given that you think this, what do you think my role is to cause me to push the way I did as mafia?
I did say I breadcrumbed, didn't I?

[DarkLightA]

My issues are these:

If you think someone is town AND a power role, which DarkLightA claims he did, then pressuring that power role for a claim is one of the worst possible moves. Lying to try to force that claim is inexcusable from town.

Remember when you were on a wagon against Ika? Remember when that reached L-1? An Ika claim was expected at L-1, and you were part of the reason it was. I didn't want him to be lynched. You're labeling it as rolefishing. It's not. It would have been a near lynch claim if it ever came.

You're twisting my words and actions. I said:

Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

Let's see what/if ika claims and we'll take it from there.

I'm not saying anything more until we have a claim from ika. End of story.

And you're acting as if I was forcing him to claim. I wasn't. I just thought it was in town's best interest that he was allowed to claim before being lynched—I think you'd agree.

YOU'RE SAYING that I pressured a claim out of him when thinking he was a town PR. What you fail to mention is that, indeed, I was suspecting him of being scum when he didn't claim, and I think I had reason to do so.

He then decides that Ika is scum based on Ika's unwillingness to claim even under pressure.

Oh, now you remember that I suspected Ika of being scum, which led to my increased pressure. Why didn't you mention that in your previous argument?

My theory of Ika and DLA being scum together is destroyed by DarkLightA's claim of a passive self-watching power, but that's okay. DLA lied to try to get someone to claim and his own claim makes no sense given my knowledge of my own role and his garbled and nonsensical explanation of said claim.

Again, my role is not a watcher.

EBWOP: Where is said breadcrumb, DLA?

I'll allow ika to respond before revealing that as he can verify a rolecop role through it.

So you're a reflexive tracker then?

Yeah, that sounds right. Bookitty called it a self-tracker so I went with that. Again, my role doesn't give it a name containing 'tracker' at all. However, the action is that I passively track anyone visiting me at night.

DLA submitted the I'd lie taylor swift song. Is he saying that he's lieing?

Eh probably not.

Soren []

<- The box

I don't understand how DLA's supposed role is different from Bookitty's and why he didn't cc Bookitty.

I was waiting to claim because of Ika. I'm claiming now. I don't think my role makes Bookitty confscum by any CC dynamics. However, I am skeptical of the dual-role Bookitty claims to have. This game seems to have a bit of role madness, and I don't know whether town would be given a double role.

[DarkLightA]

Spoiler: Messed up

In post 622, DarkLightA wrote:
He then decides that Ika is scum based on Ika's unwillingness to claim even under pressure.

Oh, now you remember that I suspected Ika of being scum, which led to my increased pressure. Why didn't you mention that in your previous argument?

In post 622, DarkLightA wrote:
My theory of Ika and DLA being scum together is destroyed by DarkLightA's claim of a passive self-watching power, but that's okay. DLA lied to try to get someone to claim and his own claim makes no sense given my knowledge of my own role and his garbled and nonsensical explanation of said claim.

Again, my role is not a watcher.

In post 622, DarkLightA wrote:
EBWOP: Where is said breadcrumb, DLA?

I'll allow ika to respond before revealing that as he can verify a rolecop role through it.

Copied the wrong quote so it looks like I'm talking to myself. That's all in response to Bookitty's #801.

[DarkLightA]

Ika full claim this time please

Especially

if you are a role cop.

[DarkLightA]

It's mostly based on his targeting of me. I didn't think scum would do that. I thought he was an investigative role that wouldn't give sufficient information to make him any more or less suspicious of me as town. That's consistent with his behavior.

RE iso: He had one post pre-night after the replacement and you know that.

[DarkLightA]

Bookitty, be honest: why are you trying to paint me as scum?

[DarkLightA]

In response to Ika saying he's not rolecop:

@DarkLightA: In case it's not clear, I unvoted Ika to prevent said LOLhammer and to give him a chance to respond to your comments. If he continues avoiding this thread, though, my vote will probably go right back again. This is pretty much a last chance from me.

Ika

p

robably

d

oesn't,

o

r at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

This is my breadcrumb. I'm a

Paranoid Dog Owner

. In retrospect I wish I'd breadcrumbed it more clearly, but previously I've gotten way to much into it and it's gotten me in trouble. You have no idea how long I spent trying to find a suitable verb starting with 'o' though. If you're interested, you'll see there aren't any.

[DarkLightA]

and then engaged in an ill-conceived gambit to try to out a power role you claim to have believed was town.

Now you're stretching. Scum!DLA knew Ika had a power role that targeted DLA but wasn't powerful enough to give any information. Maybe, at best, a doctor. Scum!DLA then stops the Ika *lynch wagon* at L-1 in an attempt to gain information about his role.

Oh by the way, maybe this will make you think through your cases a bit better:
VOTE: Bookitty

If you wanted a claim from Ika, the threat already posed by the town was very likely to elicit that claim without your interference.

Yes! YES YES YES! YES! This is exactly correct and contradicting what you said about me forcing any claim. I stopped the LYNCH in order to allow for the self-elicited CLAIM.

I don't know why you tried to derail that wagon, but I can think of a couple of possible reasons:

Ooh, here we go.

1. It looked like Ika would be the lynch regardless, so you could get towncred for trying to "protect" him while allowing the lynch to go through

Really? Even Scum!DLA knows there's easier ways to white knight.

or
2. If Ika claimed a power role, you looked to be the next likely lynch. Derailing his lynch yourself might buy you time to get past your Day One behaviour.

I honestly don't understand what this means. Scum!DLA wanted Ika lynched to get through the day smoothly. Scum!DLA was getting by. Scum!DLA doesn't "settle in" better, if you will, by doing what DLA did.

You're now claiming that you thought he was a rolecop, a role that is really only beneficial to scum and that most people would suspect as scum based on the role alone.

Again, you're twisting my words. Where the fuck did I say this? I'm saying that was the situation now.

[DarkLightA]

Also, since you claim you know that this role has never occurred in MafiaScum, how would you expect anyone to pick up on initials of a role that doesn't exist as a breadcrumb? How did that make sense to you?

I call shenanigans.

I Googled in the aftermath.

You yourself commented on the post actually:

Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

I have no clue what you're saying here.

Which was because I put the effort into the breadcrumb, not into how much sense the post made.

[DarkLightA]

You're not really much of a Taylor Swift fan, are you, DarkLightA?

Relevance?

I followed the game and waited for a replacement opportunity, and I have 195 TS songs on iTunes.

[DarkLightA]

Well, first:

A Paranoid Dog Owner is not a breadcrumbable role. It's like a "Townie who eats pretzels before going to bed" is not a breadcrumbable role. No one is going to pick up on it, and you would have known that no one could have picked up on it. You even said it wasn't a role used on MafiaScum. I don't believe this part. Your argument that Ika might be a rolecop who picked up on your crumb? Completely lacks credibility.

You obviously don't understand how breadcrumbing works. I never intended for Ika to pick up on it. ONCE AGAIN I didn't say I ever thought Ika was a rolecop initially, cause I didn't think so.

Secondly, a Paranoid Dog Owner would be an odd choice for a townie role name in this game. Taylor is a proud cat owner and her real fans are aware of that.

I don't really have much to say on that note.

[DarkLightA]

My song is

I knew you were trouble

.

Aaand that's gonna get me lynched isn't it.

[DarkLightA]

Bulge seemingly picked songs attempting to get a scum role. Blank Space was the first choice and that wasn't given. The rest were:
3. We are Never Ever Getting Back Together
4. Style
5. Picture to Burn

There's no point sugar coating anything. The flavor makes me look scummy, even I'd agree to that. But Bookitty is looking really bad from my perspective.

[DarkLightA]

DarkLightA: Do you think it's a good idea to lie to town? Why did you do that? What did you hope to gain from it?

I'm pretty sure I answered this before. I was trying to give Ika as little information as possible in the hopes that if he was scum he would make a fakeclaim that I could contest.

How do you know what songs The Bulge submitted as choices, please?

They're quoted in my role PM.

[DarkLightA]

For the record I think scum is within these songs:
Mean
Dear John
Cold As You
Should've Said No
Bad Blood
Tell Me Why
You're Not Sorry

[DarkLightA]

Bookitty, what bothers me about what you've said today is that there's no critical evaluation. Especially those posts with several cases look bad to me. They're basically "It could be this: Case A... If that doesn't make sense, it could be this: Case B... Or maybe Case C..."

You're firing bullets at me rapidfire. You've given me *no* benefit of the doubt, on the contrary you're over-eager to make me look as bad as possible.

[DarkLightA]

Ooh, look at that.

[DarkLightA]

"I was in your sights, you got me alone. You found me. You found me-e-e-e."
"You took a step back without me. Without me. Without me-e-e-e-e."

"Cause I knew you were trouble when you walked in
So shame on me now

Flew me to places I'd never been

Till you put me down oh"

[DarkLightA]

You then said you wanted to see if Ika had spotted the breadcrumb

WHEN THE FUCK IN GOD'S NAME DID I SAY THAT?

I'm really tired of you making up shit.

[DarkLightA]

You know Paranoid Gun Owner is a town-role, correct?

Flew me to places I'd never been

Commuter?

Again, you're working hard to provide any possible source of doubt.

[DarkLightA]

Wouldn't that be the same as a self-watcher?

We've been through this. They're subtly different in that I would presumably get information on any other targets of Ika's. Without any multi-active-roles, they're probably effectively identical.

[DarkLightA]

We have to stop Marquis from getting page tops.

• OMG NO

[DarkLightA]

Yeah, that sounds right. Bookitty called it a self-tracker so I went with that. Again, my role doesn't give it a name containing 'tracker' at all. However, the action is that I passively track anyone visiting me at night.

Why don't you just tell us your role name?

Just go back and read

[DarkLightA]

You know Paranoid Gun Owner is a town-role, correct?

And your point is? You didn't claim Paranoid Gun Owner. Also, Ika isn't dead.

Clearly, my role name is a spin-off of that.

[DarkLightA]

Reflexive Tracker is also passive

That's a good point. I suppose if Kitty targeted me I would get to see anyone who targeted Kitty as will.

[DarkLightA]

Please stop alternating between posting something towny and something scummy thnx

Actually I'm scum.

[DarkLightA]

Ah sorry I'm still playing the catch up game.

No worries (:

[DarkLightA]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

[DarkLightA]

DarkLightA: Do you think it's a good idea to lie to town? Why did you do that? What did you hope to gain from it?

I'm pretty sure I answered this before. I was trying to give Ika as little information as possible in the hopes that if he was scum he would make a fakeclaim that I could contest.

How do you know what songs The Bulge submitted as choices, please?

They're quoted in my role PM.

How would you contest the fake claim?

Honestly it was a long shot. My hope was running out as nothing was going to plan and I was really just looking for something obvious, like a claim that didn't coincide with my result..

Town don't claim scum. Even in sarcasm. But scum do claim scum when they're feeling cheeky. That's what I'm guessing you were going for.

I have done both, in fact I did the latter earlier in this game

That was easy.

[DarkLightA]

And I only have 1 scumpartnerand we're in a 13p game.

Killerjester, why isn't not_mafia scum? Are we scum together?

[DarkLightA]

aww look at that

[DarkLightA]

I DO have his role, basically. I didn't breadcrumb it. I see no reason to breadcrumb a self-watching role; why would I?

In cases where I have breadcrumbed, I took the practical effect of the role and used a word that would hint at it without telling it. The best breadcrumb I ever picked up on was a game long ago in which Flameaxe said, "Let's just lynch (I don't remember who) and we'll have donuts after."

That's how I knew he was the cop. I don't think anyone else picked up on it

I see no benefit in breadcrumbing something in a way that just makes it hard to interpret. That just hides information from anyone who doesn't understand. It's bad play. What if mafia understand?

IMO breadcrumbs are only useful if no one can understand it until it is pointed out. It's a bit of credibility provided to a claim.

[DarkLightA]

it helped keep a cop alive while ensuring that watchful town would know to follow his lead.

...and watchful scum would know to NK him.

But were going off-topic.

[DarkLightA]

You then said you wanted to see if Ika had spotted the breadcrumb

WHEN THE FUCK IN GOD'S NAME DID I SAY THAT?

I'm really tired of you making up shit.

You never told me where

[DarkLightA]

Flew me to places I'd never been

Commuter?

Can I just point out that Bookitty is suggesting I have a pro-town role in this post?

Just... for the record.

[DarkLightA]

I still think it's telling that she suggested that. She seems desperate to frame me. Surely I'm not the only one seeing that.

[DarkLightA]

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vc


Shit I did that wrong, didn't I?

[DarkLightA]

Anyways I don't like what NM is doing right now.

VOTE: Note_Mafia

I am wounded

Furthermore, I think we've established that Ika has an investigative role. Then he would have gotten no result.

[DarkLightA]

Do you not think Bookitty is going a bit bananas?

[DarkLightA]

It's that time of the week!

It's time for

Misrep Monday

, where we summarize the biggest misrep from the past week.

3rd place:

Pressuring for a claim

What Bookitty says I did:

If you think someone is

town AND a power role, which DarkLightA claims he did

, then pressuring that power role for a claim is one of the worst possible moves. Lying to try to force that claim is inexcusable from town.

I responded to this previously:

Spoiler: Response

Remember when you were on a wagon against Ika? Remember when that reached L-1? An Ika claim was expected at L-1, and you were part of the reason it was. I didn't want him to be lynched. You're labeling it as rolefishing. It's not. It would have been a near lynch claim if it ever came.

You're twisting my words and actions. I said:

Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

Let's see what/if ika claims and we'll take it from there.

I'm not saying anything more until we have a claim from ika. End of story.

And you're acting as if I was forcing him to claim. I wasn't. I just thought it was in town's best interest that he was allowed to claim before being lynched—I think you'd agree.

YOU'RE SAYING that I pressured a claim out of him when thinking he was a town PR. What you fail to mention is that, indeed, I was suspecting him of being scum when he didn't claim, and I think I had reason to do so.

He then decides that Ika is scum based on Ika's unwillingness to claim even under pressure.

Oh, now you remember that I suspected Ika of being scum, which led to my increased pressure. Why didn't you mention that in your previous argument?

2nd place:

Rolecop

What Bookitty says I said:

You're now claiming that you thought he was a rolecop

, a role that is really only beneficial to scum and that most people would suspect as scum based on the role alone.

Why would

your suspicion that he was a rolecop

make you think he was town?

What I actually said:

My thoughts on various Ika roles

at the moment

:
(...)
I'm guessing it's one of {follower, watcher,

rolecop

, tracker, voyeur} but don't quote me on that. Given his recent actions I don't know what to believe.

1st place:

Breadcrumb

What Bookitty says I said:

You then said you wanted to see if Ika had spotted the breadcrumb

-- REALLY? Does ANYONE believe that?

What I actually said:

You obviously don't understand how breadcrumbing works.

I never intended for Ika to pick up on it.

ONCE AGAIN I didn't say I ever thought Ika was a rolecop initially, cause I didn't think so.

[DarkLightA]

I've responded to most of this before but this is particularly exciting:

Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and

then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

Ah, the famous breadcrumb. It doesn't happen until after DLA has already started his gambit, which seriously undercuts the credibility of that gambit. But it's the second sentence that bothers me: 2. How could DLA respond to a claim before Ika made it?

Why do you think I'd do this as scum?

This, DLA, is where you said that you didn't want to show the breadcrumb because you thought it would prove Ika was the rolecop:

I'll allow ika to respond before revealing that as he can verify a rolecop role through it.

Did I? First of all, again, that's after my claim. You were saying that I saved Ika from lynch thinking he was rolecop. That's false. In fact, I thought of it as a possibility later, and I think you'd agree it's reasonable to wait for the possibility of a rolecop claim that can be verified no matter how low the chances are.

[DarkLightA]

I'm not going to respond because you're clearly not reading what I'm writing.

[DarkLightA]

Für Elyse

That's glorious.

[DarkLightA]

I just realized Ika softclaimed "informed protective" rather than informative + protective.

What does being informed mean?

[DarkLightA]

I don't understand DLA's initial townread on Ika

and I don't understand why Ika or anyone would target DarkLightA based on Day One.

You're answering your own question. My townread was based on him targeting me. I thought things through and I didn't think scum had reason to target me. I thought a non-cop, maybe non-rolecop town investigative role was the most likely role. A town investigative role would target bad-looking players, scum wouldn't. Hence my claim.

Now everything's suddenly fucked itself and I don't even know who I am anymore.

[DarkLightA]

I do agree that a protective role targeting me is strange though.

Informed protective role...

[DarkLightA]

I read up and I'm guessing it means he's given a confirmed town player along with his role PM?

That makes me so much more confused.

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: Ika

I'll put this here.

[DarkLightA]

vc

Aww damn.

[DarkLightA]

@Ika:

You think I'm psycho... (Better Than Revenge)
...so why did you... (Last Kiss)
...hold me tight... (The Best Day)
...tonight? (Enchanted)

[DarkLightA]

"I do, I do" (Tim McGraw)

[DarkLightA]

lets see......

i repalced in and didnt read anything nor cared to and with the massive and deep hatred for this role i decided to play it in the most suboptimal way possible: random.org

You are... (You are in love)
...pathetic. (Mean)

In more non-Swiftian language:
Either Ika is playing against his play condition, which is punishable by default, or he is scum trying to induce WIFOM.

Right now I'm in favor of a lynch. Re: what he just said above me, if he took the role as a favor and values that, I doubt he would intentionally ruin the game.

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: Aristophanes

This is our best chance to actually hit scum, but ika needs to go pre-lylo

What's your opinion on Ika? Scum or town?

[DarkLightA]

First things first: In light of Ika's flip I clearly look bad. And me looking bad from Day 1 doesn't help either. However, I stand by my play. I felt like it was much more likely for me to be targeted by town than scum, and a "compulsive faith healer" was basically one of the few roles in which scum would target me, because I looked bad. I'm happy to answer anything that people feel like I haven't cleared up sufficiently.

-----

Scattered thoughts:

@NM: What do we gain from a massclaim? This game seems like a bit of a role madness game and, frankly, I don't know how much it would help in finding scum compared to the knowledge it gives scum.

I don't know how traitors usually work, but I'm guessing it's not unreasonable to think there could be two scum left.

I was targeted by more than zero people last night, so I should be able to confirm my ability. I won't out anyone, but if the person/people hint at it or are about to claim I will come with the information.

[DarkLightA]

Oh look at me not being able to think...

So that's nice I guess.

[DarkLightA]

Bookitty were you targeted tonight?

[DarkLightA]

If you had been scum, Ika targeting you would have killed him.

Slight correction: Ika was weak, so his actions would only have a 50% chance of killing me if I were scum. Nevertheless, I feel relatively conftown, at least to myself.

[DarkLightA]

Ah, I see.

[DarkLightA]

Got it.

[DarkLightA]

Espionage and Not Mafia are still the most likely scum from where I'm sitting.

Can you bless us with another full read like the one in 599?

[DarkLightA]

From Ika's

[The mafia] are aware of your existence, but not your identity,
and that you are [REDACTED] Mafia nightkills.

Just a thought: I'm guessing the redacted is that Ika is immune to night kills, and mafia knows this. It

might

be that scum targeted ika last night, but I think that's unlikely. Nevertheless, the lack of NK may have suggested to scum that whoever they targeted was the traitor.

[DarkLightA]

In response to your question. There is a paranoid dog owner who is confirmed town at this stage of the game. While there is also you who has claimed self watcher which is seemingly the same role as DLA. I don't really see why there would be two incredibly similar roles in a game. As I said before, given the nature of the roles, anyone can claim their role without the role screaming scum at someone. In my Greatest Idea Mafia game, someone claimed an investigative role. Did I assume he was town based on that? Yes. Why? Investigative roles are usually town. In my experience at least. But what did this guy's alignment turn out to be? Werewolf. So given such a past experience I can no longer safely assume that someone is town simply based on a role claim that is generally a townie role. So I begin to ask myself two questions: 1. Why are there two similar [town] roles in a game? 2. Can I safely assume that Bookitty is a townie self watcher simply based on her claim?

Under close inspection, there's two response to the first question. Perhaps there are two similar town roles in the game, I mean, they're not entirely the same role anyways. And there appear to be multiple of the same roles in the game anyways due to ika's role description saying that there is another faith healer. But the difference between ika's case and yours, is that you don't share the same role name as DLA. But of course, everyone has their own role catered to them based on their song choosing.

And the answer to question 2 is that I cannot safely assume that Bookitty is townie simply based on your claim. This is because I can imagine a self watcher who is mafia aligned because it is an informative role and is useful to mafias too.

Anyways the point that I am trying to make that:
1. It seems odd that there are two similar roles in the game and
2. I cannot safely assume that you are town simply based on your claim.

This is a good line of thought, and I have considered the same.

For Bookitty it was basically the worst case PR-scenario that I became a conftownie because of her play yesterday. She was pretty set on me being scum and the non-possibility of our roles both being in the game:

I'm happy with my vote given what I know about my own role PM.

I have several issues with Bookitty from yesterday, and I'm sort of glad that I'm conftown now because it means it doesn't look as much like OMGUS as it did yesterday. Ignoring the misrepresentations yesterday for now, this struck me:

Spoiler: DLA

First things first: In light of Ika's flip I clearly look bad. And me looking bad from Day 1 doesn't help either. However, I stand by my play. I felt like it was much more likely for me to be targeted by town than scum, and a "compulsive faith healer" was basically one of the few roles in which scum would target me, because I looked bad. I'm happy to answer anything that people feel like I haven't cleared up sufficiently.

This is the opposite of true. If you had been scum, Ika targeting you would have killed him. You're now conftown.

Bask in your well-earned limelight.

What's well-earned about it? Just at the end of day 2 Bookitty said:

If you think someone is town AND a power role, which DarkLightA claims he did, then pressuring that power role for a claim is one of the worst possible moves. Lying to try to force that claim

is inexcusable from town

.

Clearly, Bookitty is trying to get on my good side after yesterday, but it strikes me as scummy that she completely ignores what's happened and doesn't acknowledge it, rather trying to pretend that everything is nice and dandy.

[DarkLightA]

It would be funny if ika's target was the reason the kill got blocked.

No, I wasn't targeted.

[DarkLightA]

Ika targeted me, and I wasn't targeted by anyone else. Hence, the kill wasn't blocked by Ika.

[DarkLightA]

I'd like to suggest an alternative to a massclaim. I could pick a select group of people to claim that I think are most likely to be scum, and only they would claim. Then a massclaim could happen later.

I think that would provide more information compared to the relative increase in knowledge of scum.

[DarkLightA]

^ That is a

very

good question.

[DarkLightA]

If Ika was recruitable that's a very odd way to word the role PM.

[DarkLightA]

There could be a SK.
However, that would require some insanely good work on the part of docs/blockers.

[DarkLightA]

I'd like to suggest an alternative to a massclaim. I could pick a select group of people to claim that I think are most likely to be scum, and only they would claim. Then a massclaim could happen later.

I think that would provide more information compared to the relative increase in knowledge of scum.

Aristophanes, Empking, and Espeonage required. Bookitty and Endless Possibilities too if they have anything to add to Self-Watcher and Hated Double-Voter claims, respectively.

Rest are town.

At that point you may as well go with a massclaim.

What do we gain from that vs. the suggested?

[DarkLightA]

If I full-claim, that includes claiming all results I have.

Doesn't have to.

[DarkLightA]

Your argument is essentially "we'll expose a lot of information, so we may as well expose all the information", am I correct?

[DarkLightA]

For now we definitely need a claim from Aristophanes. We'll take it from there.

[DarkLightA]

Intent

[DarkLightA]

^Glorious

[DarkLightA]

[DarkLightA]

If it's okay, I'd like to see Bookitty's claim now, well before Soren.

[DarkLightA]

Don't worry, it'll be your turn soon enough

[DarkLightA]

If it's okay, I'd like to see Bookitty's claim now, well before Soren.

I agree with you. But that's not how popcorn works.

Then let's not do popcorn!

[DarkLightA]

Bookitty now.

[DarkLightA]

[DarkLightA]

Oooh, my turn

I'm the New Romantics. I'm a Town Strong Independent Woman Who Don't Need No Man.

My role is an Ascetic Self-Watcher. I can't be targeted at night except with kills; people who do so receive a very nice message that basically lets them know I'm not interested.

I knew Killerjester targeted me, but I didn't want to say anything because I thought he was town and I didn't want him to be the NK.

What happened to the other part of your role?

[DarkLightA]

Nothing active?

[DarkLightA]

Not_mafia, why are you taking control over the popcorn, and why do you want Soren to claim?

[DarkLightA]

Why was it important specifically that I claim before Soren? I don't object, I'm just puzzled.

I want to go in order of most likely to be scum to least likely to be scum. That increases the chance of a CC.

[DarkLightA]

Not_mafia, why are you taking control over the popcorn, and why do you want Soren to claim?

I thought you didn't want to popcorn anyway?

If we're not doing popcorn, I should decide.

[DarkLightA]

I'd like Metal Pie to claim, followed by Soren and Lucian.

[DarkLightA]

I'll hold onto my comments until the massclaim is over. I'm open to input from Lucian.

[DarkLightA]

Don't hammer.

...this is yesterday all over again.

[DarkLightA]

Empking targeted me tonight. It's consistent with him being a bodyguard, but then of course he would know that it was and might do it just for the image.

Either way, I think a bodyguard, false or not, is one of the most important roles to keep alive as their protectee won't die without revealing scum. I'm assuming that there aren't any more roleblockers given that one scumblocker died already.

[DarkLightA]

yesterday in what sense?

Yesterday I stopped Ika's lynch. Everyone knows how well I did there.

[DarkLightA]

At least give me some time to think before hammering, I might be on to something...

EBWOP: Also,

@mod: Are kills processed first or last? Or in the middle?

[DarkLightA]

Killerjester, can you clarify your role PM. When you say you investigate a third party, does this mean results come in as third party or not third party or is it a normal cop?

EBWOP:
Night 1, Ika visited me.
Night 2, Empking visited me.

[DarkLightA]

Thanks killerjester.

I clarified with the mod and I would receive other targets as well.

[DarkLightA]

I think one thing people are missing out on is the significance of the players without an active role. I'm betting that at least one scum has only a passive role to allow the execution of the night kill. This is supported by the previous setup (1071).

So far Bookitty and EP fit this profile.


One thing I want answered:

@Aristophanes:

What led you to choose Elyse?

EBWOP: Why do you want to lynch me?

[DarkLightA]

KJ it's up to you.

[DarkLightA]

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Votecount:



....I'm just kidding.



VOTE: Endless Possibilities

[DarkLightA]

Empking, killerjester, Not_Mafia and Soren targeted me tonight.

Espeonage came back as guilty.

VOTE: Espeonage

[DarkLightA]

Did LucianRoy ever claim?

[DarkLightA]

If this doesn't end the game I'd like everyone to target me.

[DarkLightA]

Killerjester targeted me night 2, telling me to investigate Espeonage N3. I lied about it yesterday in an attempt to further confuse scum, even though I was unlikely to die nevertheless. Hence this post:

KJ it's up to you.

Espeonage came back as non-town.

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Killerjester is an assign-investigation role. He assigned me to investigate Espeonage.

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There could, maaybe be a scum/3rd party with an active action in addition to the night kill. Shouldn't be a problem either way though as killerjester can make me investigate until we find the last person if they refuse to kill.

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Actually there's a small problem. If scum target me the bodyguard will die..

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VOTE: No lynch

I was visited by everyone but Soren. The lack of Sorenity doesn't concern me.
Not_Mafia was not guilty.

Killerjester, I want you to order me to investigate yourself tomorrow night.

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I'm getting concerned that killerjester is scum by POE. I'd like to have that cleared first, that would be day 7.

We may also be dealing with a godfather—not really that unlikely IMO. In that case Aristophanes (who I've been ordered to investigate tonight) will be our key to solving it, assuming he's not a godfather too...

He should target players each night, announcing his target. The rest use their night action on me. When he dies, we lynch the target. This solves the game.

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Also why nolynch?

We're not a in mylo situation.

The game is solvable through night actions. This loses the fewest town lives.

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I visited Not_Mafia to gain mason topic

Not_Mafia, verify.

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Either way it's solvable with Aristophanes.

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Killerjester, would you be okay with having me investigate you?

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If day ends before I come back, kj let me investigate you, rest target me including nm. Aristophanes target Kj

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VOTE: Aristophanes

gg

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^ lol

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That's what we call an optimist.

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Thoroughly entertaining game. Marquis did an A1 job.

Killerjester, you da real MVP. I started doubting you purely due to PoE towards the end, but I'm glad nothing came out of that.

I'm quite glad that Bookitty ended up being the NK as I probably would have pushed for her lynch otherwise. Her push on me was a tad too strong to come from a town, and it seemed like she was keen on framing. Didn't particularly appreciate that, but I can of course see why my claim looked suspicious.

All in all, good game. Taylor would be proud.

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Nominated for best flavor.