Mini 1676 Marvel Mafia- Game Over

[Saint]

Hold on and I'll post my thoughts

[Saint]

I don't like Soren's reaction and omgus. Also felt rude.

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If it wasn't so early in the game I would have something good to vote on. As it is there are barely any comment worthy things. dragon looks town, don't like far sides vote... Posting from phone

[Saint]

I'm gonna vote the scummiest of the next three posters

[Saint]

Mac had been posting good content on day two so the vote just feels like you could have substance with it instead of how it ends up reading to someone reading the thread. It's like someone farting interrupting a violin concerto VOTE: farside

[Saint]

AbR I'm your huckleberry

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Lol basically I was enjoying reading Mac on page 2 then your vote felt out of place . That's why I'm voting you . My vote isn't very serious though

[Saint]

unvote

you're right. He was definitely being overly elaborate. I feel bad for Bein like the third person to vote based on voting someone for lack of reasoning but now that I have your reasoning and we bonded a little we good .

VOTE: Soren 17-26

[Saint]

The "is your role serious " ok no well I'll keep voting you. It wasn't scummy it just upset me

[Saint]

The scummiest part of the thread was the fact You omgused . It is my best vote so far .

[Saint]

Saints funny.

Not sure about your alignment but I like your attitude.

Thx life is worth a lot to someone who doesn't truly get to live

[Saint]

It's rvs any sort of read is better than a no read or a joke read

[Saint]

Soren is faking daft as scum or deserves to die regardless

[Saint]

Overruled

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Where were you between the hours of 7 and 10 last night ?

[Saint]

Some people must have Some weird inability to comprehend sarcasm

[Saint]

Do you like girls with or without a cape

[Saint]

I think I just got a nurse fired

[Saint]

A few nights ago one was neglectful as shit right after I got out of surgery. Surgery on my hand so posting won't be very long lol.

[Saint]

What's that?

[Saint]

I'll be ok I'm getting released tomorrow UNVOTE: Soren

[Saint]

Doc claim??? Jk

[Saint]

Soren plus sthar are maf

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Dude someone said doc ock are you autistic ? Seriously lol

[Saint]

Holy shit who was Spider-Man?

Peter parker. Weren't you paying attention?

this isn't one of those, he is dead but doc ock is in his body things is it?

You're the one who fucking said it wtf are you on aBout??????

[Saint]

I was having a good time and you're just ruining everything

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You brought up the word before anyone and you're gonna vote me for making a joke ?? You're really good at this game promising future grade a player... A stands for autist though

[Saint]

If that's a crumb when you're talking about Spider-Man and you say doc ock... Crumbling is when you out a letter here a letter there not when you literally type the word doc and I'm making fun of you not mentally handicapped people my brother in law has Down's syndrome and he follows my directions better than you and is much more pleasant to talk to at less he can take a joke

[Saint]

Dude someone said doc ock are you autistic ? Seriously lol

please don't say stuff like this.

Guy is voting me for his own word choice don't see what your problem is I'm honestly serious

[Saint]

Vile whirl I don't need you two new players to tell me what to do

[Saint]

When someone acts like an idiot they get called an idiot. He can't follow the own topic he took part in so obviously I'm going to get upset he votes me when he makes that mistake . I was seriously wondering if he is autistic . He doesn't seem to know how to take a joke.



How the fuck was that a doc claim kid? We are talking about Spider-Man

[Saint]

Dude someone said doc ock are you autistic ? Seriously lol

please don't say stuff like this.

Guy is voting me for his own word choice don't see what your problem is I'm honestly serious

no. I'm voting for you due to your reaction.

now what town reasons would you have for even joking about a doc claim on day?

Hurr durr I'm gonna bring up doc ock and vote the first person who brings it up hurrrr durrr

[Saint]

Ows where are you

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Omg I need you to see the relativity in relation to you and me. Tremendously constricting and detaching I'm a victim to this insanity

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I don't know if I've let u guys know but I'm in the hospital for a day more I just had surgery been in here since Sunday and I'm townie this game so let's win this thing

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What's up shinobi

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And yeah sthar you've been biased towards me from the start but Idc I'm only here to play with shinobi

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Ok sorry

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im home and i have my computer set up at my new house
score

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i read the game and i like that there are such clashing viewpoints on me. i have a townread on farside, and a lean on ABR. their interaction a page or two ago felt town on town

soren has also been very helpful and i want him to be town

hiplop comes in and says im definitely town. hope hes not scum because hes definitely getting a soft spot for that

i really am town so

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ok so im in like 3 games and this one is so slow im actually caught up on it

some quick thoughts i want to see more out of shinobi FoS on him (meta)

not sure if DS but am looking into 2 possibilities

hiplop is still getting on my soft side nothing wrong with that but i need to avoid confirmation bias when there is no reason ... dont want to regret hindsight being 20 20

i want to see some big posts from ABR ... farside keep doing what youre doing..

[Saint]

as of page 11... ive already been kinda scumreading my buddy shinobi... but dragonspawn just committed an associative tell with him when he FoSed him and voted me

that's a JEEP tell in the early game to FoS your buddy and vote someone who is an easy mislynch

unvote;
vote: Shinobi

I feel like we get a lot of information out of this lynch, regarding DS and AH.

[Saint]

reminder to read pages 13-15

[Saint]

dragon why are you voting saint?
tell me about it.

also tell me why bbt shouldnt get deaded.

well i did call him autistic

[Saint]

Who said bbt shouldn't be lynched?

I think I've made my reasons for voting saint clear. We had a several page discussion on it. In fact I just summarized it in my post to bbt right before you posted.

However, should we get close to a lynch I will not hesitate to vote for bbt at this point in time

we disagree so much on our reads

[Saint]

i think DS is town honestly
i think hes just tunneling me

[Saint]

sthar8 tho is easily scum because it feels like he was pushing me before this all happened (from rvs) and isnt coming off of it. feels like what scum do on epicmafia.

[Saint]

unvote;
vote: sthar8

[Saint]

unvote;
vote: BBT

votecount; rubbing him the wrong way; etc
if im rubbing you the wrong way, goodbye to you, sir

we can go head to head

[Saint]

also i townread all 3 people on this wagon thusfar so thats a good indicator that hes scum

[Saint]

also his play is differing from the play ive read from him as town so meta

he doesnt like meta so

[Saint]

i like the last 2 posts but im reading soren as town

god i sound like a white knight

im actually caught up on this thread though and its easier for me to townread people

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====[]

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Vote: Mac

this is the first time ABR has mentioned mac AT ALL
0 reasoning too

[Saint]

unvote;
vote: mac

L-1

[Saint]

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

[Saint]

going to sleep soon

[Saint]

VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

[Saint]

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

yeah this needs to die

you need to die

[Saint]

if sthar thinks hes good at mafia and thinks im scum he is sadly mistaken at both

[Saint]

having 1 vote on yourself doesnt mean it cant swing onto you

i just had that happen when i was town D1 on a diff account which i wont say what game it was because it is ongoing

[Saint]

unvote

mac isnt feeling like scum to me...

let me think about this game...

[Saint]

seriously?

[Saint]

antihero what are your thoughts on sthar8 this game?

[Saint]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

[Saint]

having 1 vote on yourself doesnt mean it cant swing onto you

i just had that happen when i was town D1 on a diff account which i wont say what game it was because it is ongoing

that is such a shit line of reasoning. im sorry, but if you had that attitude with every single vote on you how are you ever going to push your scumreads? get them lynched?

i know you're probably going to retort with only knowing that you're town but that means sweet fuck all when you need at least two townies alive to win

i am trying to put more effort in, mac. get off my back for now, sweet prince

[Saint]

btw when i said "two bit ***" it is meant to be read in a joking tone, so dont get all sensitive on me;
im an asshole, but im not mafia this game, or we would have already lynched someone, because my scumgame is much better than my towngame

my name is bill murray on teamliquid.net if you want to read up on me
i also used to play under the alias furcolow here when i was first starting playing (dont hold that against me)

[Saint]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

you are ignorant

[Saint]

Bulgington come vote saint with me. My wagon has spinners.

quit tunneling dude it makes you look so scummy to me

[Saint]

VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

You admit your behavior is scummy.

so if you even know you're being scummy, what reason do I have in believing you aren't scum?

im nicer as scum

[Saint]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

you are ignorant

You're scum

you're ignorant

[Saint]

Thanks guys but I don't really feel like We should be talking about a tunneler it's distracting

[Saint]

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

[Saint]

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

this just makes it worse.

yeah it makes it worse to you because i see you as scum

[Saint]

what are you talking about here?

was making fun of saint.
because hes a silly person who thinks people care about how many years hes been playing mafia.

i dont care at all if people care if ive been playing for years

if anything im rusty right now

im smarter than you though so i dont know what you're on about.

[Saint]

dragonspawn what are you referring to when you say "the town motivation for my action"

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Bulgington come vote saint with me. My wagon has spinners.

quit tunneling dude it makes you look so scummy to me

Thanks guys but I don't really feel like We should be talking about a tunneler it's distracting

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

lol

VOTE: saint

so i call antihero scum

he makes 0 case on me and votes me

this guy is 100% scum with soren and sthar

[Saint]

Who are some inactive people who could be scum and need pressure?
Who has slipped?
etc

Vote: Soren

no

awful

vote saint

youre such an awful player

honestly coming from teamliquid back here im beginning to see how terrible all the players are here

you all are illogical and dont know how to have a genuine discussion

the ones that do probably dont even get their posts read by half of you

and the others that play like i do (on teamliquid they're actually nice, smart, and respectful) wouldn't know reason or logic if it smacked them upside the head.

how sure are you that saint isnt just ridiculously awkward and bad at scumhunting as town?
because im not sure.

It's day 1. I have no wagons to analyze, and not a lot of information out there. People are pressuring me so I'm constantly having to defend myself from a wagon forming as opposed to actually being ABLE To scumhunt. If I have to be defensive, how can I be offensive? I can't do 2 things at once; i'm 29; i can't multitask well anymore. if you all want to get onto me that's fine but i really would like to be able to play this game and scumhunt.

i dont see how you are saying im bad at scumhunting when im the only person in this game that has tried to name all 3 mafia (2 of which want to vote me and push me hard instantly thereafter, or are dumb and sticking to their tunneling behavior trying to get a mislynch from the fucking R.V.S.!)

Argument by assertion for his own towniness, ad hom discredit on me. Typical fallacious rhetorical scumgarbage. But this one goes a layer deeper. By calling me an idiot for thinking he's scum, he's assuming that I'm town. He's admitting to having definite information about my alignment

i think this is a good point for saint being scum.
i might vote here if my heart is behind it once my head is back into this game.
</3

in no way do i think you're town.
im calling you an idiot because your behavior makes you quite obviously scum (to me) as scum (when im town) because i've noticed the way scum play towards me when pushing me early.

you are putting words into my mouth. My adhominem towards you is only because you are disguising ad hominem as direct attacks on my argument when your real "attacks on my argument" are ad hominem.

You can dress up a turd all you want but it's still a turd.

[Saint]

You ignored my question again saint.

If you admit your behavior is scummy why should we not believe you are scum?

And for the record you still haven't told me what the town motivation for your reaction earlier was.

because im not scummy as scum, i'm deceptively helpful

meta furcolow, or bill murray on teamliquid (i have 7000 posts there since 2009)

[Saint]

Crappy posting is more likely to piss off town than scum because scum can just skip most of it. They don't need to work out anyone's alignments.

ok then why the fuck are you voting me?

your posting towards me has been utter shit and it is pissing me the fuck off

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@Shinobi- how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Pgaes 4,5 and 6 are full of shit.

You should all be embarrassed.

townposting

Because I don't give a fuck about meta? Yeah, that could be it.

But this makes me want to murder you to death.

I'm upset that I think I know those lyrics and it's from a Taylor Swift song.

Listen to the Postmodern Jukebox cover and you can like the song without being ashamed.

that's a JEEP tell in the early game to FoS your buddy and vote someone who is an easy mislynch

misapplied, inaccurate jeep tell. That's a +30, written by jeep himself on my tits at Mafiapalooza 2009 in Buenos Aires. I got it tattooed over the sharpie so I'd never forget.

dragon why are you voting saint?
tell me about it.

also tell me why bbt shouldnt get deaded.

well i did call him autistic

scum

i think DS is town honestly
i think hes just tunneling me

scum

sthar8 tho is easily scum because it feels like he was pushing me before this all happened (from rvs) and isnt coming off of it. feels like what scum do on epicmafia.

"sthar is scum because he RVS'd me" Oh my god, you

actually

suck.

i don't actually know if he's scumreading you or just angry with what you said earlier.

We can have carrots

and

peas!

I half wondered if he was using what happened as a crutch.
Meh I might be an ass thinking that.

Let's be totally clear here: he's scummy af for in-game reasons, and I believe he has a scum pm.

The indecent and savage pleasure I'm going to get from lynching his ass and destroying his scumteam? Only tangentially related to the game.

this entire thing is bad

unexplained town and scum reads

and responds to irrelevant things

THANK YOU

and it seems like he has too much information to just throw out townreads like that

i dont have a single solid townread this game

farside and abr are the closest things i have

shinobi isnt playing like he normally does as town or mafia on TL i guess because mafiascum is so fucking hectic and pressuring

[Saint]

Anti, what makes Saint a better lynch than, say, BBT or Soren?

he is voting me because i called him scum in my list-post.

[Saint]

whats the scum read on me, saint?

it was yesterday, it's starting to go away today

i want to lynch antihero at the moment

unvote;
vote: antiherp

[Saint]

he is basically voting me because i found an associative tell between him and sthar

to reiterate: sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

[Saint]

Farside, you want to throw some questions my way, ms.?

[Saint]

im ignoring vilewhirl the rest of the game.

Soren, I agree with you on that

Sthar8, this is complete shit. I know I'm town. I feel like you have 0 reasoning to vote me other than the fact that I'm saying you have 0 reason to vote me. You want me to be nice to you when you are calling me "trash" "badscum" etc

YOU ALL are the ones calling ME names. I'm just reacting to it.

This is just duff from me calling DS what I called him earlier.

If I hadn't done that, you guys wouldn't be acting this way (like vilewhirl) or the one that would (YOU, Sthar) was on me since RVS and hasn't let up

I'm not ignoring you because you are actually starting to be a bit more logical, however wrong you are, and I respect that

I am not being fallacious whatsoever. I have tried to put reads out there. I'm going to say this one last time, though, and that's that my reads would pick up in voracity if people would get off my case, or whatever bullshit case is supposedly out there on me, because newsflash, i know it has to be bullshit due to me knowing that im town

it's literally the only constant that i have in this game.


you can say im a broken record player but at least im posting more content and amount than you. it is easier for people to read me because im actually responding to everyone unlike you.

you're hiding your alignment behind tunneling 1 player the entire game.

[Saint]

Sthar why are you hiding behind tunneling 1 player?
There are more than 1 scum, I want to see more reads from you.

[Saint]

i like that sthar8 has a developed read on saint now

it's fabricated

he has been tunneling me the entire game

it took him a literal week to attack me on ad hominem when he is pot kettling and being a fucking hypocrite

he has been badmouthing me and mudslinging me

the entire game

which is what scum do to me

P-Edit:
@Sthar I just erased a diatribe towards you. I'm ignoring everyone who mudslings me from now on. Good day to you, sir.

[Saint]

im a vanilla townie. go ahead.

[Saint]

i don't want to actually scumhunt in this game anyways because i will be biased towards a lot of you especially the obscene rude new yorker (typical new york behavior) who doesnt know how to smile or wave at anyone on the street

[Saint]

You all are some of the worst players I've ever played with

BBT I expected better from you, however

[Saint]

Also Shinobi thanks for making me signup for a theme which is going to attract bad players who dont have a solid grasp on reality (newsflash marvel = no grasp on reality)

you guys actually think you're superheroes or something this game

i dont even know who my character is. he's just some stupid guy.

[Saint]

my name is tony stark im not claiming whether im truly VT or not

i dont know who tony stark is

[Saint]

oh shit im ironman

cool

i didnt know that

maybe ill actually put forth effort

P-Editgorkington that post was entirely fluff other than reads without reasoning

[Saint]

it actually makes me suspicious of you because i feel like you're being fakey when it comes to whether or not you want to commit to someone being town which is something i can see you doing as scum when you say "but i guess hes a townlean".

[Saint]

Saint, you have an ego problem my friend.

You should address that if you want to enjoy your stay on this site.

PEdit - Tony Stark is Ironman, no?

Gorkington, you're really bad at this game.

BBT you need to address your language towards me

because noone talks to me that way.

[Saint]

Sthar I'm obviously not easier to read than you

people are voting me because they don't like that I called You and DS Autists. Period.

[Saint]

well antihero is voting me because I have him listed as scum.

[Saint]

anyways im ironman so you all can unvote now unless you want to lose

[Saint]

BBT I've literally posted my fullreads twice. Go read the thread.

I'll refresh you though, since my reads change day to day.

ABR was someone I townread early on. I felt like his interaction with Farside regarding oot influence make them both likely to be town. I want to see more from ABR.

Farside has been my strongest townread. Of the people defending me/liking me, the most likely to be scum is Hiplop. I don't count Shinobi as defending me. He is actually looking somewhat like scum to me too, but that changes for me from day to day. I'm not 100% familiar with his play on Teamliquid, but I am more familiar with his play than any of you are, truly. I feel like Dragonspawn is confused town. I am null on Gorkington but have my eye on him because of the wording of his most recent post. BBT is someone I feel like is likely a power role that the doctor/medic/whatever it's called here should be on if I am lynched, because scum are likely to kill me since i'm ironman. hate to claim that, but i feel like i have to lest i get lynched.

Mac / Soren - the bad lynch choices of the day. Both have similar playstyle, though Soren is a little more cerebral, and Mac is a little more emotional. I feel like both are likely town (i know this is a backtrack on my part, but I don't care; this is how i feel about the game today, in this moment)

Antihero/Sthar8/Vilewhirl - Scum are in here on my wagon. AntiHero if he is an emotional player is *possibly* town but im still leaning scum on him. Sthar8 is my strongest scumread which is entirely based upon my own meta of how i make scum act towards me. They will see me as someone who is both intelligent and stupid enough to get lynched because of my inciting behavior. Vilewhirl's lack of reasoning and shitposting this entire game has me realize he was scummy, but his recent vote on me had the exact behavior of my top scumread sthar when sthar decided to "actually" vote me so i now scumread vilewhirl in soren's place.

I'm posting this regardless of any p-edit. Full steam ahead. submit, submit, submit!

[Saint]

You're terrible.

Now, why am I scum? Why are you shutting down discussion with me?

@Saint - Ironman does not make you town.

your behavior does not make you town

[Saint]

oh shit im ironman

cool

Superior or regular?

im tony stark so i guess im suitless

[Saint]

Farside, you want to throw some questions my way, ms.?

Not at this time.
Just thinking.

I don't think anti is scum here.
Hiplop has been tunneling Soren all game, why is he not a scum read?

i want a question from you or im going to vote you.

[Saint]

Saint, you have an ego problem my friend.

You should address that if you want to enjoy your stay on this site.

he probably doesn't. he's just trying to make the conversation about emotion rather than fact because he feels like he has an edge there.

you know what, even if this is a joke, it's true

i have a higher EQ than empiricism. My empirical abilities are lacking. I'm a bit more existential than tangible

[Saint]

Sthar, can I get a reads list from you?

i just asked him that but he ignored me

for someone who is tunneling me he doesnt seem to be reading what i post.

[Saint]

nod

[Saint]

well unlike most of my games ive actually been reading this thread

[Saint]

scum {saint}
scummy {anti, shinobi}
idgaf {hiplop, BBT, vilewhirl, ABR, farside, mac}
town{dragon, boo, soren}

shitreads
scumposting

[Saint]

sure, but it's the same species as my read on boo. if he's town, he'll feel the need to do things and be useful.

scumposting
contingent meta

[Saint]

can i get some explanation as to why people are scum reading me

no one is explaining

Farside, you want to throw some questions my way, ms.?

Not at this time.
Just thinking.

I don't think anti is scum here.
Hiplop has been tunneling Soren all game, why is he not a scum read?

i want a question from you or im going to vote you.

I did ask you a question in there.

oh i didnt think that you had
its actually scummier that you relented and asked me one dont you think?
hiplop buttered my biscuit, yet im trying not to be biased towards him. i did post about him in my gameread post. i said that of the people that have defended me/liked me (you, hiplop, etc) he is the most likely to be scum because i felt like he was trying to scumbuddy me

[Saint]

How is calling me rude, toxic, and egocentric helpful?

How have you been helpful AT ALL this game, Vilewhirl?

You were talking bad about Soren literally on the first couple pages. You have been even more cancerous to this game than Sthar8 (especially since he's sharing other reads, now)

[Saint]

unvote;
vote: hiplop

[Saint]

i dont want to vote soren OR mac because i think both are likely to be mislynches
i KNOW im a mislynch so if people would unvote that would be great


dragon would you please unvote me? i want to play this game with my friend and i really am town
im sorry i called you what i called you but i wasnt being serious

[Saint]

if you're so certain of your meta on anti, sthar8, that sounds like a really good lynch to me

unlike BBT i am a fan of meta

im actually going to vote him because i was scumreading him for his interaction with you earlier. i thought it meant you were scum, too, but i didnt know that you two had a history

unvote;
vote: antihero

icing on the cake is the name "antihero" just sounds like a villain in the marvel universe

[Saint]

i actually am relatively happy with that vote
kind of feel like shinobi is scum
just because hes my friend doesnt mean i dont want to lynch him if hes against my win condition

[Saint]

my reads are made up because i have no idea about anyones alignments

[Saint]

no i dont have "a case" on you

im voting you because sthar8 said you play this way as scum

[Saint]

looks like someone is flailing that he has been pressured recently. waiting to see what sthar8 thinks of AH.

[Saint]

whats scummy about hiplop

he seemed to be buddying up to a mislynch (me)

I think there is a good chance that Shinobi & Hiplop are both scum (but that's based on associatives so it can wait until after Hiplop flips scum)

this fits shinobi's scum meta from my perspective

hiplop im not sold on as town either. what associatives have you seen from them?

I mean, we're already at 35 pages on D1. That's far, far too many.

We should have lynched someone 15 pages ago.

i completely disagree.
wholeheartedly disagree.
i feel we need 15 pages MORE, if anything.
my reasoning is that even with 35 pages there are still people i'd like to see more of before i can completely deduce a perfect lynch.

Hiplop's last post will surely drive attention off of him. It makes me feel better about his defending me. I am pretty certain he is town due to some wording in that post.

[Saint]

game went really, really slowly in the last day. scum are going to be able to lurk at this pace. perhaps BBT is right in that we need to lynch someone, but i dont want to be wrong, and i feel, if anyone is going to be lynched, it's me... and i KNOW that's WRONG.

[Saint]

i am definitely a reactive asshole, bookitty. that's not alignment indicative for me.

[Saint]

this is the only game im in currently now so expect a lot more posting~

[Saint]

it is OWS. you are way more proactive as town

maybe you read differently on here

wow P-Editx3

hi vilewhirl and BBT

BBT why do you want to lynch me so badly??

[Saint]

We have 4 people on. Time for some questions

Vilewhirl what do you think of Farside's top 3 scum list?

[Saint]

it is OWS. you are way more proactive as town

maybe you read differently on here

wow P-Editx3

hi vilewhirl and BBT

BBT why do you want to lynch me so badly??

Again, compared to what?
I even have my meta all set up on TL for people to look through it and I think you're completely unaware of what my scumgame looks like, which makes it look really weird/lazy for you to say that "I don't post as scum" when my day play as scum is actually pretty active.

@Vile: I've been relatively inactive until today, when I said I would post.

quote where i said "you dont post as scum"

i said you're proactive as town in what you just quoted... there is a difference in being active and proactive.

I don't want to lynch you 'badly'. I thought you were a good D1 lynch but Farside had some good points.

So now I'm thinking Shinobi is a good D1 lynch but it's getting close to deadline so I'm not particularly fist pumping at the thought of jumping off one of the bigger wagons to start a new one.

Vile, you interested in a Shinobi lynch?

i understand what you're saying, but i don't agree with a few of your points
i disagree with me being called a good d1 lynch. im not a bad one, admittedly, but i'm not a good one, because i will be an asset later on in the game.
i am commonly nightkilled by scum so there's that, but mostly i am just wanting to do wagon analysis, or simply lynch scum themselves so wagon analysis is largely trivial

cant tell if sthar is stubbornperson with being too overly focused.
cant tell if shinobi is stubbornperson with being too uncommitted to a vote/push.
hiplop is just quiet. i would lynch abr over hiplop if we were going to do a lurker lynch. because at least his constant apologetic tone when he is here seems out of character.

p-edit: well. ok.
i want a push soon tho because lamelynches suck and they easily happen on people who don't let themselves get read.

1) agreed on sthar8
2) agreed on shinobi 100%
3) i dont know abr vs hiplop the way im sure you do because im not as active here as you are. i will trust your meta and keep a note of that inside myself

Vile, you interested in a Shinobi lynch?

im not sure.
from my vast top secret meta experience with shinobi i know he can be quite uncommitted as town.
which makes him hard to read.

depends on a few things, but on TL he is actually pretty proactive from my experience with him. maybe not top tier proactive but hes usually a solid town you want in a circle with you.

[Saint]

shinobi stop defending yourself and go read and make a case on someone or join a wagon on someone.

i disagree with this ... defending yourself is generally something town will do

VOTE: abr

where's the reasoning behind this? im so not used to mafiascum's lack of reasoning... i mean i'm okay with it but geez

calling bbt's lack of case on you bad is questioning him?

I'm calling his case nonexistant and I'm trying to get him to bring up points to see how he's reaching his conclusions. His points on Saint not being scum are okay, but how does that lead to calling another player scum? The only thing he has is the fact that I unvoted hiplop when other people were voting him, which isn't a case and reads like an excuse because associatives are generally useless. How does he tell the difference between town!me and scum!me doing these things? I still don't know.

I'm also saying that Saint's case is lazy and it reads like an excuse. There are plenty of examples of me playing active scumgames, both here and on TL so him saying "you do more as town" and not backing it up is mega lazy and wtf.

The fact that they want to lynch my slot in particular is

almost

completely irrelevant (outside of the "I know I'm town" mantra): I don't understand either of the cases so I want to know what's up.

Except that doesn't really relate to me at all?

Correct.

Okay, so how does that lead you to a scumread on this slot?

i was largely wanting to see how you react.

is it bad for a friend to want to reaction test someone before they defend them?

even lawyers do it with their clients to see if they should fully get behind them

gotta know you're on my side before i feel good about being a white knight

i dont think you're a good lynch today for your reaction. you have to understand mafiascum's lack of reasoning compared to TL is something i'm still getting used to (again)

Your lack of scum hunting.

how so?

How is Shinobi scumhunting less than 75% of this playerbase (in this game) ?

I understand BBT's line of thinking now. That'll change with time.

Saint

, where did you go?

i went to the next town over, and had to take my apartment keys to my landlord because i just bought a house.

hope that's okay with you, honeybunny haha

If I had to join wagons

right now

I'd probably go for ABR/Saint over anyone else.

okay you have the most meta on me out of anyone here but you can't see i'm town??? Why the hell have I been getting mislynched in every fucking game i've played since I returned to playing?

I guess my getting older/calmer is making people misread me.

Not really...I should probably reread things before making comments like that. I remembered liking Mac's responses in real time as I was reading but rereading his ISO I'm not sure why I liked them :/

527 is funny though because;

i genuinely can't believe we wouldn't be having this discussion if i had voted bbt. there's no logic in that. you're town, but you're being really stupid here and you've quite possibly gave bbt a way out of being lynched.

notice how he's dropped off the face of the earth again?

that final sentence can also apply to farside

Who's dropped off the face of the earth now?

He does however provide good points against Saint in 578. Notably his (Saint's) reasoning for voting me after he voted and his reasoning for voting Mac.

MY defense against 578 (sorry caps) is that I was largely reaction testing you. I didn't really come out of it with a good or bad reaction, though, because someone responded to it before you could. You noting it now, with you acting like IGMEOY, though, has me still leaning towards scum on you moreso than even before, honestly... sorry to say it. Care to provide me a few links of you playing scum and you playing town? Perhaps I'm twisted on your scum and town games. I'm largely null on you, I just kind of have my panties in a wad with you because our playstyles clash.

It somehow made you show up in the thread.

Better alternative?

ok this post has my mind eased on you quite a bit BBT. I was thinking the exact same thing. Pretty much active lurking on ABR's part, and that's shady.

riveting.
is your vote on saint because you're implying a scumread on him?
or are you literally the equivalent of like an AI mafia player atm?

hah. I don't agree with that, but you can point towards other people pushing cased based upon thread sentiment here. Weird that I'm defending someone voting me... but who are we even talking about

@VW

Sometimes it's hard to get back into a game when you're not emotionally invested especially after a break, I can't blame Soren

.

this is my defense as well. I can relate to this.

[Saint]

Town from today:
Bookitty
Farside
Shinobi
Vilewhirl

Null leaning town: BBT
Dragonspawn

Null leaning scum: ABR
Mac
Gorkington

Scum: Sthar8
Antihero


something like that. I don't really remember Gorkington posting but once or twice )where he looked suspicious to me in one).

OK I just looked up Gorkington and apparently he's Vilewhirl
this will make my list change from Vilewhirl being a townlean to Vilewhirl being a scumlean because that Gorkington post doesn't sit well with me at all
I also didn't like VIlewhirl and Soren's interaction early on in the day (in the RVS)
I thought it made Soren look bad, but if Soren = town, I feel like 1 of them is scum, so if Soren = Town Vilewhirl = Mafia (in my eyes)

[Saint]

going to play league

[Saint]

ive got some catching up to do after i eat
will post in around 30-50 minutes

[Saint]

hey

and youre calling his latest posts bad without going into detail.
say whats bad about them.

hey so

we've been over this before

i work during daytime hours

so you're not getting wallposts or digests until i get home

i feel like every day i hear 'sthar's case is bad' until the end of the day then 'man thats great'

somebody needs to work on pattern recognition

this post strikes me as the only town-style post sthar8 has posted

and hes talking about his real life

not his role this game

notice the entering?
hes not doing that in his other posts (hitting enter between points)
he is scum tunneling me in my honest opinion

[Saint]

oh yeah while i remember it, @ vilewhirl your question is answered if you filter the topic and select the player "Gorkington" who is not in this game, but posted as a player not in YOUR hydra... it makes sense. read it again if you have comprehension issues.

[Saint]

Would be funny (read: commit suicide worthy) if they were the scum team though.

They're probably not.

Nah. They're town.

well i know you're at least not 100% wrong, sir, so no suicide for you

[Saint]

VOTE: Farside

What's with the omgus?

then minutes later

Mac, thoughts on Boo please?

why not answer the question dragonspawn asked you, BBT?

[Saint]

im wondering if a BBT/Dragonspawn/ABR team is possible at the moment

i dont want to tunnel on that during my read though

[Saint]

digest will be tomorrow, it's late.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the farside is scum for no reason mantra

I bet you've been dying to drop that quote at some point.

wtf is this post

Saint's readslist is hilariously scummy.

how?
it was actually my most um enlightened moment so far this game
but like i was saying before that my reads change every day that i play because we get more pages of information
at the moment im largely grasping at straws as i scumhunt, but eventually i will find my needle

[Saint]

Who are you scum reading and why DS?

Still don't like your game.

Obviously liking saint a little better. Not feeling shinobi any more at the moment.

Mac needs more attention. Starting to think soren needs more attention too. Like boos reasoning.

Kind of getting bored with the game lately and been busy.

i really agree with dragonspawns post here, so that dismisses him from that scumteam
and the rest was (i think shinobi) pointing out ABR's affiliative sheeping towards bbt
perhaps it was a reaction test and scumhunting from abr

Yes he does.

Are you serious?

Your 1017 states that you don't suspect saint but don't provide a reason. Then someone in 1018 states the reason and you just agree with it.

hate to (Yet again) defend someone voting me, but your logic is flawed here
just because it is obvious for you to suspect ABR in doing what he did doesnt mean he wasnt thinking what he was thinking before he said that
havent you ever been thinking something someone else says outloud, and you lose all credibility on having the idea first? what if someone vibed the idea ABR had and then said it, and ABR was like yup.

Caught up to page 42 but it's past midnight and I'm tired so I'll catch up with the rest tomorrow.

With anti's recent posting I'm actually quite happy with my vote staying on him.

Abr has been utter terrible.

Boo's reads feels hella off and not well thought out.

I'm quite liking BBT, his recent questioning and posting shows town motivation.

Vile loves making straw man.

Shinobi is just talking about how he isn't much invested into the game and doesn't explain his scum reads when far side questioned him.

townreading Soren more because of this post. largely agree with these reads, because ive been reading this section of the game.

So, it's nice to see similar analysis from DragonSpawn and Soren (relating to how I feel)

i dont find a single thing (other than his bias towards gorkington-hydra (vilewhiel) wrong with the post that im 100% on

I've made a decision. With less than two days till we read the deadline I'm just voting for the head wagon I find the scummiest. It's time to start consolidating imho.

VOTE: soren

If a wagon picks up that's scummier I'll switch or if scum makes some stupid move I just can't ignore. I'd rather avoid a no lynch and not go rushing toward anyone at the end.

well, this just got awkward. im going to early post this post (Was trying to consolidate and not spam) because this is very key for me

i feel like this is a town on town vote and i hope i dont see more soren votes

i see a lot on bookitty from clicking back pages... but i think i saw 1-2 on soren as well, and he had/has a few on him..

not really liking either lynches but im not the best scumhunter this game so far... need to get a better grasp on the game

basically i hope DS comes off this vote, even if his tone indicates he doesn't want to

[Saint]

oh joy a wagon on me for me being pissy and busy

meanwhile, through all the walls, saint and mac are STILL scum

i dont get why the 2 people who are pushing me are just spouting shit out of their mouths onto the ground and then flinging it at me like angry monkeys

BBT's #1135 has me solidly townreading him because he seems to have been reading from a town-perspective

he noted something that i (obviously) noted because it was directed towards me (from bookitty) so i understand why he is pushing boo

1135.

Just a couple above your previous post.

1135.

Just a couple above your previous post.

1135.

Just a couple above your previous post.

drop the bayce

Umm, why didn't you address anything I posted in 1135?

Because I think anyone who's reading the thread can see that you're rewriting history a bit there. You've basically gone down the list of every person I've expressed less than a townread on and tried to discredit it. Why would I waste time defending against points that are crap in the first place?

Better things to do.

because he is saying you have "better things to do" than to elaborate on your town / scum reads

like your read on me which said "well he

could

be scum but im too lazy to scumhunt" ... which you literally said


wow BBT's post on 46 is a fucking masterpiece:

OK, I guess I have to quote all the relevant parts if you're going to try and accuse me of misrepping you.

Boo says;

Antihero lurks as scum; that's not enough to earn him a vote from me yet, but I got my eye on it.

BBT says;

Especially after you state in the very same post that Anti lurks as scum and you think he is lurking so you have your eye on him.

Boo says;

Saint was hyperreactive, overemotional, insulting and I did not like it. I don't have any meta context and so far I haven't had time to go diving for any, but I'd have to if I wanted to use these playstyle issues as a reason to vote him. So I'm chalking it up to playstyle because of my own laziness right now.

BBT says;

Saint *could* be scum but because you felt lazy you didn't feel like looking into it.

Boo says;

I don't like Hiplop, but I think it's just because I like TSQ and I made a joke at the beginning that if he lurked and didn't post I'd petition to have him replaced by TSQ. I can see how this would hurt someone's feelings, and I'm sorry, Hiplop; it wasn't meant as a slam at you. Though I do think you lurk a lot! Your pushes are bad and I don't like them much, so I'm also watching you.

BBT says;

You also have your eye on Hiplop because he lurks a lot and his pushes are bad...why no vote here?

Boo says;

BBT: Yeah, he's scummy, but it's his playstyle. I don't need to sort him today.

BBT says;

You also think I'm scummy but I'm not worth sorting today.

There's also the bonus of this that I somehow missed first time around;

Mac I thought was scummy, but I don't have the experience with him that I do with Soren so I'm going with the vote I'm most confident in.

So you had another scum read you could have pursued.

Now, a) tell me where I'm misrepping and b) answer my case on you.

i mean i want to vote bookitty

right now

Okay I'm officially sold and I thought about it more.

Vote: boo

UNEXPECTED TURN OF EVENTS

THIS GAME IS GETTING JUICY

On another note, I am loving your activity levels now you're coming under suspicion.

yet another good point from BBT against bookitty
im still not 100% sold, though. i had a pretty strong townread on bookitty at one point.

I don't care

Go for it. I'm VT so it's not a huge deal anyway.

I joined to play with Soren and Farside and neither one has been around so much, so I'm okay with this.

VOTE: bookitty

this post sealed the deal for me

i was afraid she was something important but if shes claiming vt with what 3 votes on her

cya

[Saint]

antihero is an idiot

village idiot

[Saint]

I also believe Anti is town. However, I think Soren is town as well.

I don't think that post is as alignment indicative as people are trying to make out. It was one post.

Why are you town reading Boo?

Why is anti town? His postings has been poor.

Keep catching up and you will see why.

this is why i just iso'ed antihero,
btw

eating popsicle; hard to type

[Saint]

i just got done with #49 and gorkington-hydra defending bookitty has me happier about my vote because i can easily see him being scum

and im hoping hes defending scum and not buddying up to a mislynch...

bookitty's amount of AtE has my mind blown; i've never seen so much AtE

[Saint]

VOTE: Mac

yoloswag?

what is this...

i dont even...

[Saint]

like, i think boo's coming across as pretty genuine.
bbts push is based on semantics and is ignoring that overfocus on a person can cause frustration and an unwillingness to respond to things, even from town.

i have yet to see a single town thing come out of abrs mouth in his what like 15 posts that hes made while here?
why would anyone object to lynching him?

p-edit: my read on mac is complicated because i disliked the crap he said about me in his last post and im not sure if im disliking him solely on that merit which is making me feel confused about a read on him.
i would definitely vote him over boo though.

i need to actually do things today so i cant respond to the scarecrow accusations that soren is throwing at me atm.
i care more about pushing the game in the right direction while i am here and boo feels like the wrong direction.

I'm not seeing genunie.
I'm not even seeing a case from her about anything that BBT said. It reads as AtE rather then anything else.
Now we have OMGUS next.

lets say shinobi is town too. unfortunately i cant elaborate and its for selfish alt-related reasons.
fun-times.

I don't need to do that. Why would scum readily admit they didn't have an awesome reason to vote me? I would think they would fabricate one. Yeah, I am thinking Shin is town too.

Which leaves me with Farside and wondering if she and BBT were distancing early on or if she's scum by herself. Because her splat onto my wagon doesn't make good sense to me at all.

Yea that's pretty BS from you boo.

this is TL;DR my reasoning, too, farside
we seem to be on the same page this game
because all im seeing is AtE, bullshit, and OMGUS. (from bookitty)

[Saint]

Why did you vote me, Farside?

Did you agree with BBT's case on me? Do you think he's town now?

See, my "AtE" and "BS" (and other acronyms) ONLY matter if I flip town, and you don't think that's going to happen, right?

So what's your worry?

i honestly dont care if you flip town at this point

im staying on this for policy either way

way too much AtE

[Saint]

im on #1240 and id like to add another point farside

she flirted with outside of game influence "hey what do you want to bet that im town, bbt" and worded it in a way that she/he could get out of it saying "well i was saying he could agree to be lynched if i flipped town"

BBT Then said "ive seen scum use that gambit recently"

i think he called it a ploy, though, but i remember it being more of a gambit which she quickly backed out of in her next post by saying "lynch for lynch" when it was more like "fuck you, pay me"

[Saint]

hey guys

Guess what, Farside? I'm town. And I'm going to continue pointing out the scums as they hop on my wagon.

To me, what you did (naked vote jumping on a wagon started by someone you claimed to think was scum) was far worse than what BBT did (concoct crap reasons for pushing my wagon) and, since I support my own wagon, it's not something you can dodge tomorrow.

Hiplop looks meh; he could be opportunistic scum jumping on, but it's just as likely he doesn't have a clue what's going on in this game.

@Soren: Farside and I are friends regardless of our respective alignments. We play hard but both of us know it's just a game

Nonetheless, I think she's scum here! OMG scummity scum scum.

she just did the same thing sthar8 did

they post like this when talking about outside of the game

and it's like, their only townie posts of the entire game

with the linebreaks

which i see as a towntell

because everyone does this on teamliquid

moreso when theyre town

yadig?

quoting the sthar post for reference:

and youre calling his latest posts bad without going into detail.
say whats bad about them.

hey so

we've been over this before

i work during daytime hours

so you're not getting wallposts or digests until i get home

i feel like every day i hear 'sthar's case is bad' until the end of the day then 'man thats great'

somebody needs to work on pattern recognition

HEY BRO I WORK DURING DAY HOURS

WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS BEFORE

IM SCUM WITH BOOKITTY AND WE BOTH MADE THE SAME SLIP

[Saint]

yeah so

Bookittys response to her wagon is fucking awful

going to need more of a reason than just "awful"

shes throwing mudd. Yelling anyone who questions her as scum. Suddenly I don't "know whats going on in the game" because I question her. Shes trying to strawman, blame and shift attention by belittling her case. Pulling out all the classic tricks ("FINE VOTE ME I DONT CARE"

@hiplop i feel another point you can add to this is she is trying to softclaim "dont want to out a powerrole" coupled with the early-vt claim to kind of deter people from voting her out of fear

kinda like an AtF

[Saint]

lets lynch anti

god, what is it with you and shinobi

[Saint]

You don't seem very engaged in the game either, Farside. What do you think the difference is between your lack of engagement and mine, if you please?

What is the misrep here? It's my opinion; if you're engaged, please say so. You don't seem very engaged to me. If you were, I would think that you would have noticed that I responded to his post as soon as possible after he made it.

What's your read on BBT right now?

Probably 3rd party. It's a bet I have with myself currently.

And yes it's a misrep I've been more engaged then you this entire game.
Don't act like its the same at all.

there's 3rd party this game?
i figured it was just 3 mafia.. since BBT said "they could all 3 be mafia together and if they are im going to commit suicide" or something like that

[Saint]

VOTE: mac

FARSIDE, DRAGONSPAWN
TO ARMS

you know whats funny

i read this in your iso

and then i must have like... not noticed it was between my string of catchup posts

but its cool we kind of both started to townread one another (i guess)

even if we both think the other is an idiot

that works for me

[Saint]

so i tried to make a list/break the game/decipher what ive just read

this is what came out

enjoy it... im not the best at this game... but this is how i feel

i feel like i trust ABR's gut more than most of the thread

i agree with farsides reasoning a lot

players like soren and mac have a lot of the same thoughts so im wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt even if i dont fully agree with them

i feel like vilewhirl is nearing chainsaw defense levels on bookitty

sthar8 and bookitty had a similar singersigner slip (the way i caught her one game)
it's associated with the way a player will V/LA or will have a different tone when IIoA regarding out of game shit as opposed to their play in game
out of character versus in character slip

the rest i just filled in the blank, like shinobi... he's my bro, and being an acquaintance im going to give him the benefit of the doubt

yet again i dont know how i forgot about hiplop, dragonspawn, or antihero... antihero hasnt posted much tho

anyways, enjoy: (going to lay down [sorry for the spam])
town:
Me
ABR
Farside
BBT
Shinobi
Soren
Mac
Forgettable people/null (when making my list i literally forgot these 3 were in the game):
Antihero - leaning town
Hiplop - pretty strong townread, but has a post or two im not keen on (like rxn to bookitty)
Dragonspawn - am sold he is town, dont know how i forgot about him
Scum:
Vilewhirl
Sthar8
Bookitty

p:edit yes its in this post, shinobi
i have mac low on my town list, but it's due to his logic/soren's logic being similar. i can SOMEWHAT relate to it, so i think they're just young town without their minds fully developed (like ~22 years old) and in ~3 years they will be 100% thinking like farside/me/abr (correct me if im wrong)

[Saint]

also id like to note i dont even know the wagon numbers

i wasnt asian cowboying your post because you voted mac

i dont really mind mac votes ... i even kinda feel like he could have been scum the way the wagon dissipated

i felt like your vote was out of place relating to the events that were going on in the thread at the time.

[Saint]

Soren did the same thing. I'm seeing ties between you, Soren, and Mac regarding your play which makes me think you're all town

you all kind of have a similar playstyle in my eyes even if you dont quite post like them

you just seem a little more mature to me ... or more reserved, at least.

any quick questions before i go to bed, shinobi?

[Saint]

ok love ya bro gnight

[Saint]

i feel like vilewhirl is nearing chainsaw defense levels on bookitty

yeah. boo's getting run up. im going to vaguely be super vocal about defending her while not hardpushing another case or making a case defend her.
us being scumbuddies makes the most sense over me wking her.
excuse me while i sneeze at your bullshit right now.
.
.
.
ok im done.
so can i expect you to call me a WK tomorrow if [when she probably does] flip town?
if youre town do i get an apology for you being bad post-game?

sure

[Saint]

People who have votes that are achieving nothing should change them so that they are achieving something.

this is a good point

[Saint]

why does scumBookitty try to convince me that i shouldnt be trying to push abr right now?

why in the world is abr your top townread?
thats insane.
i dont have words.

i like his gut this game
when he pops into the thread at important moments it is influential
i trust him even more than farside
he has been growing on me the entire game
it's a gut thing

[Saint]

Bookitty (L-2): BlueBloodedToffee, farside22, hiplop, Albert B. Rampage, Saint,

lol.
if boo flips scum i will literally sheep anything that happens the rest of this game. including a lynch on myself.
but, and this is a big but.
just look.
LOOK at that wagon composition.
theres no way this is an all town wagon and theres literally no reason to be bussing in a town this dysfunctional.

this wagon is full of my top townreads... dont see your issue here

[Saint]

i feel like bookitty IS self preserving by acting so stubborn

im not unvoting

[Saint]

too much AtE last night

[Saint]

i feel like bookitty IS self preserving by acting so stubborn

im not unvoting

I'm not caught up, but this is the sloppiest, shiitiest scumposting and you should all be embarrassed that it isn't dead yet. Remember a few days ago when self-preservation was totally a town thing that town saint would do omg you guis I promise?

if youre not going to quit tunneling, at least don't admit you're not reading

you aren't being helpful, and if you'd read, you'd realize about 3-4 people are completely ready to lynch you right now, but fear there wouldnt be enough voted before the deadline.

you need to realize that even if i was scum (which im not) there would be more than 1 scum, so theres literally no point tunneling the way you are with 0 case other than some bullshit fabrication you made after you decided to tunnel me 50 pages ago

How so.
Described what noted.
How vague of you.

You suddenly shifted gears and jumped on me after BBT did so, despite apparently scumreading him right along through.

You don't give any real case on me, but you don't go to your old reliable "gutread" that I expect if you are town. Also, you're wrong, and you're pretty much never wrong on me unless you're scum. We both know that.

I don't happen to think I'm engaging in an appeal to emotion, since I am dead serious that I am sick of this particular little dance and I don't intend to play it anymore with you. If you're so certain I'm scum, why are you trying to inch your way off my wagon even though you said you were going to stay the course before? What's your hurry? Stay a while, why dontcha?

you are lying now bookitty. saying you weren't AtE is a joke. you even admitted you were AtE at one point.

add LAL to the list of reasons why im not unvoting you and my vote will be on you for the entirety of me being alive this game

if scum dont kill me and im not lynched im voting you one hundred percent

How so.
Described what noted.
How vague of you.

You suddenly shifted gears and jumped on me after BBT did so, despite apparently scumreading him right along through.

You don't give any real case on me, but you don't go to your old reliable "gutread" that I expect if you are town. Also, you're wrong, and you're pretty much never wrong on me unless you're scum. We both know that.

I don't happen to think I'm engaging in an appeal to emotion, since I am dead serious that I am sick of this particular little dance and I don't intend to play it anymore with you. If you're so certain I'm scum, why are you trying to inch your way off my wagon even though you said you were going to stay the course before? What's your hurry? Stay a while, why dontcha?

Oh no's I have more then one scum read. The horror!!

I'm not moving if you haven't noticed, but if you were town you'd try to get scum lynched.

farside you should teach sthar8 how to have more than 1 scumread

he needs to actually be reading the thread first though

and not just scum skimming it

[Saint]

Let's see there is a case on boo and no case I dragon.
Gee I wonder why there is lack of support for dragon.

I'd sell my soul for a bbt lynch at this point

Except I posted reasons for dragon at the top of the page.

Here I'll come with a link of boo as town when she was pressured by me note no folding under pressure
Or lack of reasoning or AtE.

Boo's issue isn't lack of reasoning or AtE. She is quite literally asking to be lynched, which is the exact opposite of AtE.

do you really want me to quote numerous places bookitty has used an appeal to emotion?

even the way she is asking to be lynched is acting.

[Saint]

And no asking to be lynched is not the opposit of AtE, because it is an appeal that people think come only from town, which is false

I have yet to live in a world where AtE consists of "please lynch me."
That's not AtE; that's just telling people to lynch you.
Which is generally a bad thing as scum.

If anything, it falls under martyring, which is towny.

she is faking towntells bro
martyring
outside of game influence (she backed out and switched it to lynch for lynch)

[Saint]

And no asking to be lynched is not the opposit of AtE, because it is an appeal that people think come only from town, which is false

I have yet to live in a world where AtE consists of "please lynch me."
That's not AtE; that's just telling people to lynch you.
Which is generally a bad thing as scum.

If anything, it falls under martyring, which is towny.

*puts arm around shin*
Son I'm going to tell you some hard facts.
It may hurt to hear this......
People lie. They use what tools they can to manipulate people.
I know.
I know.
It's a hard fact of mafia and playing the game, but that's just a fact you need to come to terms with.
But again that attitude happened after 2 votes, which is little pressure and self loathing talking as her being a victim.
This isn't let's be friends and hold hands.
This is finding scum and understanding motivation.
If you check that link son, you'll see she is no wilting flower.

It's still towny though.
One game is not enough, either.

except it's not when it's fabricated to manipulate peoples emotion (WHICH IT FUCKING IS HERE)

[Saint]

hmmm dragonspawns most recent post feels off to me though... just got done reading...

willing to compromise since bookitty vs farside is amusing the heck out of me

[Saint]

Saint (L-6): sthar8,
Mac (L-5): Shinobi, Antihero,
BlueBloodedToffee (L-6): Bookitty
Bookitty (L-3): , farside22, hiplop, Albert B. Rampage, Saint,
dragonspawn (L-3): vilewhirl, bbt, mac, soren

Vote: ABR

mac looks fine in the super dumbly quick skim i did of his iso.
im gonna read him again when i have attention span.

VOTE: dragonspawn
kill kill kill.

VOTE: Dragon

Vote: Dragon

Can you vote him then?

Yup. VOTE: dragonspawn

Can you vote him then?

Yup. VOTE: dragonspawn

then dragonspawn voted boo

[Saint]

why does she get to keep fakeposting when i can feel it dripping with lies

p-edit i dont see it, soren

[Saint]

Soren, are you a doublevoter?

P-edit your wagon actually gained the most recent vote and you are the closest to being lynched, with dragonspawn

it is in no way stalling

i can easily see BBT voting you again

P-editxfarside

she is too lazy to make a solid case

she got called out at scum and is flailing and lying

i am glad you are sticking to your guns on this

[Saint]

:eyeroll:

[Saint]

hiplop has 12.5% of the posts that the top 3 posters have

why bring up anti and not hiplop?

[Saint]

antihero has over double the posts hiplop has, and has way more content to some of them

ABR has 20 less posts than antihero as well

[Saint]

(my previous posts are directed questions for bookitty)

[Saint]

id also like to note my top scumread sthar8 has the same amount of posts as antihero, all of which are hiding real scumhunting behind the excuse of tunneling me

it is something that some moderately experienced scum players commonly do to me, which is why i am 100% sure he is scum

i am not mad about it, just think he's bad at playing scum fmpov

bookitty dont tell ME to read when you didnt respond to any of the points i brought up on you over a 2 page span. you literally have been dodging any case on you and slinging shit back in the direction of anyone who suspects you. your top scumreads are people who are on your wagon.

[Saint]

I gave a readslist, Farside. You claim you're more engaged than I am, so where's yours?

(It's not a competition, it's just an exhibition, so please, folks, no wagering.)

Also, Farside, do you think it's telling that your biggest supporter can't even follow the conversation and was like an explosion of AtE himself when he was under pressure?

@Saint: Farside brought him up in the post I quoted. Please read.

i guarantee ive read the game way more than you have, honey.

sorry that you're incapable of seeing that

you're a pain to read though because your comments are such hypocrisy. pot kettle dear

[Saint]

if you actually care about getting boo lynched then you should be doing more than that.
tell me why im wrong on the wagon point.
do you think all of the people voting for boo are town?
if not, why would they bus when it would be so easy not to?

I'll be blunt because well I don't have time to be nice.

I didn't read much since my last post. I'm currently eating a late breakfast/lunch with the hubby.
My last impression before the wagon on dragon happened was both anti and Soren were reading boo as off but neither voted her.
Soren could be a friend thing but anti.....yea I question his lack of vote on her highly.

As for boo she is rational and love able person. Not this AtE crap that isn't giving reads properly. She is lashing out more then scum hunting and that isn't like her as town.
You want samples, let me know.
Many comments she made are blanetly false, and yes she pays attention better then that.

Mmmm food.

I'm going to quote the important post that boo avoided reading or commenting about

she has avoided reading or commenting about most of the case on her

she has not done anything to snuff out the accusations of AtE or her acting/lying

[Saint]

for getting an award for most enjoyable player im finding her to be one of the least enjoyable players ive ever played with, and the least enjoyable of this game, even including the guy who has tunneled me in 50/60 of his posts

[Saint]

i just LOVE being misrepresented, ya know

[Saint]

but hey it's hard to discredit someone when you have to lie to do it, and even harder when they're right

[Saint]

more bookitty votes pls

going to play league.

~

[Saint]

i dont see the scum case on sthar8 over the points provided

i have provided much better points than an opportunistic vote

bookitty could be scum still no?

[Saint]

VOTE: boo

just in case

this vote didnt even matter...

[Saint]

like sthar could be scum with bookitty and his vote would be irrelevant (what *I* think happened)

[Saint]

i believe i can fly
i believe i can touch the sky
i think about it every

vote: sthar8

night and day

[Saint]

New mafBlack is lame. I liked the old version.

Why? he dipped from the wagon?

scum distancing ?

What's the difference between town!Soren and scum!Soren doing that?

good question

[Saint]

im betting we can find some hipster scum that werent on the boo wagon and defended her

im remembering someone who did just that let me find it...

oh wait it was vilewhirl

unvote
;vote vilewhirl

guy was also on my scum radar because of the gorkington posting outside of the hydra thing

[Saint]

im just going to sheep ABR

unvote;
vote: soren

still think theres scum in (vilewhirl, sthar8, antihero)

[Saint]

so are your tears

[Saint]

really, you all are going to start that again?

it's like this brand new day and this kid tunneling me has all of you brainwashed

[Saint]

sthar8 has provided no reads within the last week

all he has are excuses

[Saint]

sthar8: "OH IM WITH A CUSTOMER SORRY BUT THATS WHY I SUCK"

[Saint]

also farside threatening me is because im voting the counterwagon to the wagon she started

would look bad on her if soren flips scum

considering how hard she pushed the bookitty wagon BEFORE unvoting (it was also her wagon... she might end up unvoting the hiplop one too if we lynch there...)

should we REALLY Be letting her wagon someone again today???

[Saint]

you know im not seeing farside + bookitty as town on town

it had way too much personal issue/semantics with it

that pretty much means farside has to be scum

i might be alone on that but yeah

[Saint]

unvote;
vote: farside

no catchup necessary

you can look into me all you want

but i have a good reason to vote you ma'am

[Saint]

Vote Count 1.Final

Bookitty (L-0): hiplop, Albert B. Rampage, Saint, dragonspawn, Shinobi, BlueBloodedToffee, Vilewhirl
dragonspawn (L-5) Mac, Soren,
Antihero (L-6): farside22,
Saint (L-6): sthar8,
Mac (L-6): Antihero,
BlueBloodedToffee (L-6): Bookitty,
Soren (L-7):
Albert B. Rampage (L-7):
Shinobi (L-7):
hiplop (L-7):
farside22 (L-7):
sthar8 (L-7):
Vilewhirl (L-7):




NO LYNCH (L-7):

Not Voting (0):

It is now Night 1. . Deadline is in Gimme a Minute.

Flip incoming.

Also this is the wagon I would be looking at for scum.

NO. YOU pushed bookitty. you're not disowning it.

[Saint]

she is ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PERCENT SCUM
WHO WOULD DO WHAT SHE HAS DONE THIS GAME AS TOWN?

[Saint]

I'm not going to overthink this.
VOTE: Saint

let's not and say we did.

[Saint]

farside i wasnt talking to you.
i was talking

about

you

[Saint]

I think it's really scummy to push against a doc claim.
Lets do a question back to saint. Who would do that as town?

i hadnt noticed your claim, honestly
im not going to push you at all today
wanted to see your rxn after i messed up
cnat have been a slip tho because im not scum so i dont really care

i just need you to believe me because i really want to be playing in a game as town

[Saint]

before this dayphase is over fully expect me to have a good case on someone

[Saint]

still checking topic... noone to talk to... scum must be scummin it up in quicktopic

is quicktopic still used here?

i havent been scum since i got back to playing here... never get a good role

[Saint]

it's a serious question