Genesis Mafia - Game Over!

[zakk]

Just because I'm not AtEing like a fucklord does not mean that I'm scum.

Just because I'm not AtEing like a fucklord

AtEing like a fucklord

[zakk]

P.s. this post was from a phone ^

[zakk]

So, like, no excuses there bro

[zakk]

you are who I think you are as an alt

You're

proooobably

wrong.

Are you me









Because



Whoa

[zakk]

Can you show me an example of how it was helping you determine his alignment?

@Zakk: Yo didn't you want to talk lol. I'm almost heading to bed though so maybe next time.

I thought that was you

I was on at the specified time 4 hours ago and have been discussing many things since

I do wanna know why you think I'm 3rd most likely to be scum, ALSO, what happened to your plum scum read

[zakk]

So, like, no excuses there bro

hi*5

Does this mean high five? Because if so, high five back

Also
"If you're not voting Kagami don't talk to me"

[zakk]

Kagami is not scum. I don't know about Plum, but I had a town lean there too, remember? I thought that Vi was trying to mislynch Plum.

If Kagami is scum, that would be the most unfortunate. Worse so than Lady Lambdadelta being scum.

So since VI is town plum is then town? Or what

[zakk]

And why, to the second paragraph

Is Kagami good? Idk them

[zakk]

Sigh...

This town...

Hey it's okay we've only lynched one Townie so far lol

We got this

[zakk]

*had a sinking feeling that we don't "got this" at all*

[zakk]

I don't know. It was just a weak scum vibe. The albert thing, and the plum case. Do you not see what I'm seeing here with Zik? I'm having concerns with Singer too. (Yes Singer, I'll get to your LLD case, later though) I'm getting tired. I'm thinking if it's not you, that it may be Singer. What do you think?

I think, in order:

Okay, you suspect me. That's fine. I'd be suspicious if you didn't tbh with your level of scrutiny. You started out well with your suspects (lynch plum and VI, etc) but as you talked and talked you got convinced they were both town which I don't understand bc I'm still in high suspicion of plum and still floating my entire town read of VI on the ocean of crap that was VI having a really embarrassing meltdown which would be "hard to fake", to use a seemingly common turn of phrase. Nobody has addressed my plum case, not even plum. She replaced out instead of facing the rap. And now Kagami is playing Save the Slot by playing nice with everyone and rubbing everyone the right way for the most part.

As far as zik yes I see pretty much everything but I skim a lot since this game has begun moving way faster and I'm worried I'm missing good stuff but I also trust that it will come out in votes since everyone's so polarized right now. Tbh all we need is like 3 flips to figure this whole thing out. Plum, zik, and any one other player. The stances people have taken TODAY ALONE would be pretty much enough to figure things out, IMO. But I refuse to lynch zik, and infuriatingly, he refuses to lynch plum.

I'm assuming the Albert thing means my nacho suspicion due to him not reading Albert's posts, which I still feel is totally valid but I'm having pause on suspecting nacho for reasons I can't go in to. So that slot is in the " needs to be figured out" category along with singer/Juls and Cabd/quaroath. Salamance I feel comfortable ignoring for now, but I really wish he'd get back into the game. Or was he replaced already? I might be getting things mixed up due to so many replacements but overall I feel like I have a decent handle on the game state

So here's what we should do.

1. Lynch Kagami
2. ???
3. PROFIT

[zakk]

P.s. YES Salamance was replaced, I remember now (thanks BBmoola)

[zakk]

Molla*

[zakk]

I'm Salamence20

why should I lynch Kagami

Hehehehe yes

1 sec

[zakk]

Off the top of my head, she's scummy for

lurking

,

discouraging scumhunting

,

defending people who think she's scum

(a scum tactic I've seen before which confused them)

,

trying to ride the site popularity wagon

,

pandering

,

approval seeking

, and now

power lurking

, because the day is almost over.

Okay how the fuck can you say with a straight face that I'm

powerlurking

? How the actual fuck?

> addresses the weakest and most exaggerated point and ignores the others

okay plum

[zakk]

And then after that, she replaced out without warning

[zakk]

Did cabd purposefully vote for Kagami, or was that left over from Quaroath?

Leftover, but I'll take it

[zakk]

Vi, read Singer's posts.

reading posts is so 2011

What is reading posts

It's not in the wiki

[zakk]

I do not endorse a Cabd lynch. At least not today
I do not endorse a Lambda lynch. Probably won't ever

I DO endorse a Plum lynch. This is much too difficult to push through a lunch on somebody that very few people believe is town and has wiggled out from under pressure so many times

[zakk]

Actually on consideration, we gain nothing by me being pigheaded

I've made my Plum suspicion more than clear. If I die you guys know who to lynch

Now let's look at other targets

Zik/Lambda/VI/Ranmaru
Lead on. Talk to me

A few of you suspect Cabd a few of you suspect Jazzmyn and a few of you suspect singer

Who is the best to lynch and why
Let's look at all sides of this thing

Who gives us the most info with a flip?

[zakk]

Actually this feels rather freeing

It's like I just therapized myself and realized I was making the game unfun for myself by trying to be a one man town

I think we can actually work together in this game as long as you guys stop suspecting each other

I reallllly gotta go but, hit me with answers

[zakk]

Off hand, I'd say lynching Jazz tells us more about me and Ranmaru and VI, I guess zik too. Lynching Cabd tells us more about you and me and Lambda, and lynching you tells us more about Ranmaru, Jazz, and VI, also BBmolla too

What about you?

[zakk]

I think you might be town based on slight gut but I still have the RC & VI thing that jazz brought up which I don't ever remember getting answered by Juls, and as a replacement you can just ignore it

If I had to make an answer now about what I wanted to do with you I would not lynch you for until at least day 4 because a) there are scummier people, and b) if you're town I think you'll begin to contribute more, and though I am not a fan of the delayed involvement, I did the exact same thing as a Townie within at least two of the last four/five games I replaced into, and I know this game ballooned way faster than those, as well as you being a list mod

How would you rate that assessment

[zakk]

I've contributed plenty and no longer consider myself behind. I think you're kind of leaving it open to change your mind on me (not til D4 at least) even though I've given you plenty of reason to either agree or disagree with what I have to say. I don't like that you're bringing up something I can't answer for and make it seem like I can just ~choose~ to ignore it because I'm the replacement. I think you avoided commenting on anything I had to say about LLD which should've given you plenty of insight as to my motivations and alignment.

With regards to what information we gain from various lynches, why did you only group them as to who you can find out information about instead of assessing the potential alignment flips. Why did you group me with cabd? And why do you think my flip will tell you anything about Jazz or Ranmaru?

Ok I'm glad you're caught up

Yes I'm leaving it open to change my mind, obviously. It's d2 and we have no scum flips lol

Agreeing with what you say doesn't mean you're town and vice versa

I had the same thing as you re: Jazz having something to say about kinetic that I couldn't address so I get it. Not trying to say you're scummy for it, just that you can ignore it bc you can't read Juls mind only her role pm

Yes I avoided you/Lambda religiously the same way I avoided zik/VI religiously, I'm not gonna make a dent most likely so why bother. I recall saying as much

I town read zik out of the two, and I town read Lambda out of you two

I didn't speculate on flips cause that gets hairy and I want to make flow charts and I'm just on my phone but that's definitely in my head, either way knowing certain things tells us about others'motivating factors i.e. social landscape management wise

Which is another reason I still suspect VI because it seems VI is a master manipulator and uses social situations to exploit character flaws and gain trust or sow distrust

Your got thrown in with Cabd because I was mixing up him and BBmolla in my mind because I forgot who replaced Salamance and forgot to remove you, I actually don't recall any actual interactions between you/Juls and Cabd/quaroath off the cuff. Which is another thing I need to read. Of the two of you Cabd comes off worse

but as for my read on you it's kinda nonexistent I still don't feel anything too strongly. Vague town on Juls and vague town on you but that's also where scum try to hide so like I said you're one of the slots I'd leave for a later day for a couple reasons, not least of which being that there hasn't been a huge discussion about your slot yet

Your flip tells me about Jazz because Jazz pointed out the Juls thing when nobody else really did

Your flip tells me about Ranmaru because I'm sure I could find 4-7 paragraphs about you by isoing him

[zakk]

I'm not reading your posts but obviously Ranmaru is town

Singer and zik have answered me, VI and Lambda, what do you think?

[zakk]

I'm so over this game

[zakk]

Soooo I just read the actual convo with Sonic and VI

VI goes back in the scum pile for clearly being able to fake emotion

Sonic/Zik I don't really know what to think of

I was just beginning to feel like I finally had a handle on things and was filling out the gaps of players I wasn't very polarized on yet

Now I'm REALLY over this game

I'll be back Monday

[zakk]

I have no idea why she is your top town read

I have no idea why you wanted to hide your meta (of which I know none, so it's all the same to me... but still)

I have no idea why this day has not ended yet

I miss ABR.

[zakk]

I can't sleep. Ranmaru why are YOU up at 5am?

[zakk]

Now see I wouldn't know that

Somebody explain town-plum to me

[zakk]

I think I'm crankier than VI now

[zakk]

As far as I'm concerned you're about as despicable as they come VI, I've already seen more than enough to not want to play with you any more

This is worlds apart from what I'd expect from not only the "upper tier" of players, but a site moderator as well

If you're town, your words are hollow and I've lost all respect for you
If you're scum, pretty much the same thing, sadly

And the sad part is, I don't even care which it is

Personally I'm almost to the point where I'm just gonna vote the biggest wagon and make prod dodges. Or replace out

This game hasn't been fun for a while now

[zakk]

Well no duh Sherlock I've been saying that the entire game

[zakk]

Did you type up your reads before hand or are you typing them up as you go? Just wondering.

they say there's no such thing as stupid questions but

if he typed them up beforehand

what would be the point of posting them piecemeal

suspense??

[zakk]

Home with my cat,

see people voting me and am sadz

. Will explain rest of my reads shortly.

Mislynching me would be sadface...

this part sets off all kinds of spidey sense

defeatism + AtE in the same post
this is not town

[zakk]

attempting to reset
taking off the tunnel vision, stepping back, and seeing things with a view of the past that spans more than 10 pages

Zik/Metal Sonic

- don't much like the secret alt thing, but that's neither here nor there. when it was unceremoniously revealed, he acted even more townie than before. the courage to maintain the same attitude of usefulness and consistent townieness while under pressure was pretty town. really* town actually. and then the reaction to it was really good as well. still my strongest town read.

Sleepy/Ranmaru

- sleepy was lame, but ranmaru is very present. very contentful. for all his hemming and hawing i'm not really seeing anything too amazingly intuitive jump out at me, but that's mostly because it's covered in thousands of words. and because he changes his mind a lot and i can't really take him seriously. but that's enough to very heartily town-bin him. the amount of effort he's putting in is heavily pro-town, and changing his mind a lot also feels townie to me.

Salamance/BBmolla

- bbmolla has actually redeemed this slot a looooot for me. i like the confidence in the posts and it reminds me of how i felt when i replaced into this game. i was significantly less overwhelmed. sal had a few townvibes and mostly only the lurking was bad for me. i didnt really feel like salamence was attempting to turn players against others either, and bbmolla's posts have been very... convincingly innocent-sounding. his lack of immediate agenda also feels quite town.

Nacho/Albert

- Albert is a huge reason for this spot's placement in order. His posts were good, his motivation was good, his pushes were good, and he was pretty town. I think i'm remembering that a little more rosily than i should, but i don't really care too much because i have decided to more or less trust that early read. another influencing factor is everyone else telling me "shut up that's not a scumtell" about Nacho's refusal to read albert's posts, which in hindsight is somewhat in line with something else i've seen him do as town. overall i don't have a super strong read on this spot but i feel it's pretty town.

Lambda

- she isn't down here just because other people are towning it up recently (most notably bbmolla/ranmaru), lambda is also just a lot less townie than she was before. i dont really see a concerted push to accomplish anything besides discussion, and despite her levels of snark and in-crowd-ness, it's more apathy-inducing than anything else for me. her less-than-polite debate with singer ended with her coming out of it looking crappier in my mind, not because of singer's points per se, but because of how she a) responded to them, or b) didn't. I didn't really get a good vibe from her through that, and she drops quite a few notches in my book.

Juls/singer

- juls seemed vaguely town. singer seems kinda the same way. i think her thoughts are pretty valid overall and come from a believably townie perspective, but i don't see much motivation to do useful things. i say useful things because there's very little popular support for a lambda wagon and that read/debate practically dominates my memory of her. i feel like that's the same with me in a sense, and even though the plum lynch was far from a lost cause on either day 1 or on early day 2, i feel like it's not The Thing To Do right now because nobody really wants to lynch that slot for some reason or another which is beyond me. meanwhile, singer's on the way up in my reads list.

Jazz

- idk what i think of this slot any more. has been towny and scummy in pretty equal measures. very much not a fan of her attitude. also very surprised that i let myself be so affected by someone else and make an ultimatum for her. her response felt town, but since then she's kinda floated off my radar as well as some other people.

Quaroath/Cabd

- quaroath was not the towniest, but i can't fault his replace out. he was kinda in my blind spot though which is a bad thing. cabd's replace in and immediate V/LA is also unfaultable, and jazz's implication that it's not is quite rude as he pointed out, but the AtE and defeatism upon his return, as well as the "prettiness" of his reads from before, AND the ample buddying with me, makes me suspicious. if his catchup isn't epic and/or insightful he's probably not moving from here.

VI

- an actual terrible person who's attempted just about everything from rancid hate speech to abusing mod powers to breaking site rules and really should be kicked out of the game (

@mod?

please. thanks). probably scum due to all reasons, before meltdown, and for pointing to it as a reason for town reading as well. very meta; very lazy. so overall, very scummy, very ugly behavior, and i feel gross even being in the same [virtual] room with this piece of work.

Plum/Kagami

- would happily hammer this nail with a lead brick of death, here but nobody else wants to consider it any more. except cabd. and that's not a ringing endorsement. beating this dead horse won't likely yield any new info but it's still rock-bottom on my scumreads.


these are vaguely in order from best to worst reads
would lynch any of the bottom four

fun fact

: over half the players in this game are replacements, and 70% of those alive

[zakk]

btw, fair warning
that was my last real contentful post probably for a very long while

/commence prod dodges and general wheeling and dealing to get scum lynched =p

bbmolla. lets chat about cabd, and about singersigner vs. lambdadelta.

no, ranmaru/zik/peanut gallery, you are not invited.

Spoiler: @mod

hi, public opinion here

in my view,

VI really should be removed

from this game, for very clearly breaking your own game rules, basic ruleset: #9, nuts and bolts: #4, and mafiascum's site rules (

that really important red one

), as well as for abusing forum mod powers to revealing someone's alt, which is very bad form, and arguably grounds for removal from the mod team

Untrod, i respectfully feel that this issue should be concretely addressed, very soon, by VI's removal from the game.

i hope your position as a member of the same mod team, will not

color

your judgement, in punitively dealing with repeated and flagrant disregard for your own game rules, the site rules, probably the mod team rules, and also, clearly, unspoken rules of decency.

also i feel that if this is not properly addressed in a timely fashion by you as the game mod, i should take it up with the list mod, and/or mith

thank you

[zakk]

My opinion is that it strengthens my town read of the slot, but that to do so was extremely bad form and reflects extremely ill on the Mafia scum mod team. If a player wishes to play a game online with a relative amount of anonymity, that is their right. We, of all people, should understand and respect that...

*especially*

VI.

[zakk]

Hey nacho you should lynch plums slot or VI with me

[zakk]

Down for this cabd wagon

Not down for a singer wagon

Intent to L-1, lol

[zakk]

You're a fucking piece of work, Vi, and I really hope you get what's coming to you and learn a fucking lesson.

Thank you.

[zakk]

unvote
vote: cabd

Yep.

Scum is in him, LLD, molla, and probably zakk from his most recent posting and PoE.

Nope.

[zakk]

Intent to hammer.

Cabd, claim in your next post.

[zakk]

So the real question, Nacho, is whether this is indicative of him being scum not wanting to give controversial positions, or whether it's indicative of him being unable to keep up with this game?

There's a lot of effort being spent in how he words and presents his suspicion but not a whole lot in the actual reasoning behind them. If he was just behind, he wouldn't be as aware as he is about his reads on every single player, and we would get focused content as opposed to the big picture shit he delivered.

this is pretty much a more wordy way of saying what i think

which is that cabd's reads feel like he's trying to make us feel a certain way about them

which is why i don't like reads lists because i always have to take them with a bucket of salt and suspicion
however, i also get mad when people do the same thing to my own, because it's infuriating

i'll give cabd another 12 hours before i hammer

nacho i think i finally understand you.
i was doubting you for a fair bit, but i think we can be friends this game.

bbmolla i also feel like i can work with.

[zakk]

Jazzmyn

we need your help. Could you research into the scum metas of Lady Lambdadelta and Ranmaru? We need to know what they are capable of. I have this paranoid feeling -- they were also pushing the vezokpiraka wagon hard. Lady Lambdadelta in particular.

Will do. I am back from the cottage but it is my RL birthday so dinner and drinks and cake and stuff for the next several hours. I will do my best to get caught up and go meta-diving later tonight/tomorrow at the latest.

Regards,
Jazz

Happy birthday!



As a birthday present I will un-blacklist you

Spoiler:

in hindsight it's rather silly to blacklist you just for a difficult attitude
especially when there are players on the site like ... well, you know

[zakk]

So the real question, Nacho, is whether this is indicative of him being scum not wanting to give controversial positions, or whether it's indicative of him being unable to keep up with this game?

There's a lot of effort being spent in how he words and presents his suspicion but not a whole lot in the actual reasoning behind them. If he was just behind, he wouldn't be as aware as he is about his reads on every single player, and we would get focused content as opposed to the big picture shit he delivered.

this is pretty much a more wordy way of saying what i think

which is that cabd's reads feel like he's trying to make us feel a certain way about them

which is why i don't like reads lists because i always have to take them with a bucket of salt and suspicion

however, i also get mad when people do the same thing to my own, because it's infuriating

i'll give cabd another 12 hours before i hammer

nacho i think i finally understand you.
i was doubting you for a fair bit, but i think we can be friends this game.

bbmolla i also feel like i can work with.

Then why did you give one and why did you demand one of me? ("singer, reads list, nao")

I have given 3 or 4 now in this game to my recollection

I do them sometimes and this game is different than most I have played in that it really felt necessary all three times just so I could stay on top of things

I wanted one from you because I felt like you were either coasting scum or demotivated and disinterested town and usually that helps people catch up to where they care enough about the game to continue playing

It certainly did for me. It also did for Ranmaru and I'm pretty sure a couple others did one too

I know Cabd is trying to, or was at least. I wanted to get his thoughts on the game because people seemed to think he was good, but he and Kagami have more or less disappeared

Part of me wants him to give a really epic townie sounding catch-up post, which seemed likely at first

Part of me wants him to make a really bad one which screams scum, which seems more likely than the above option

Most of me knows he's probably gonna lurk through this situation and hope the pressure disappears, like plum did with her L-1, and hope the pressure dies down

But it's far too close to deadline for that and even though this lynch is not ideal it's still a FAR cry from lynching zik, and I think Cabd has a decent chance of being scum

[zakk]

Votecount 2.18

BBmolla
Cabd - 5 (BBmolla, Master Zik, Nachomamma, Vi, singersigner)
Jazzmyn
Kagami - 2 (Cabd, zakk)
Lady Lambdadelta
Master Zik - 2 (LLD, Ranmaru)
Nachomamma8
Ranmaru
singersigner
Vi
zakk

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is (expired on 2015-07-30 17:00:00)

Also, this is a good wagon, except for VI

[zakk]

I want to mention that if Cabd doesn't come in to get to the rest of his reads, it shows that he only decided to explain his town reads, and not his scumreads.

I've thought about this for three minutes and I don't know what you're trying to say here

I think if he flips town we pay attention to what he's said, and if he's scum we pay attention to it in a different way

It looked like he was just going in order though

[zakk]

Bb molla, singer, let's talk as much as possible as soon as possible

[zakk]

Why aren't you voting anybody Kagami

[zakk]

because my vote would be hammer.

Why weren't you voting before then!!?!?

[zakk]

OBJECTION YOUR HONOR

KAGAMI IS SCUM AND NOBODY WILL LYNCH HIM

OBJECTION SUSTAINED STRING HIM UP

#justzakkdaydreams

[zakk]

because my opinion doesn't change just because my actions do

i hate it when people RELY on everyone making reads lists
i hate it when people think i'm scummy for making reads lists
i hate it when people do nothing but make ever changing reads lists
therefore i avoid reads lists usually

but i'm not this game

but also:

i hate it when people make walls, and i have done a lot of that this game
i hate it when people get so involved, that they get really upset for pretty dumb reasons, and i've done that

i hate it when people sit around and talk about how much they hate things too, and now i'm the one doing that

so basically this game is a whole lot of meh

and i'm town
and i think you're town
zik is town
nacho is town
bbmolla is town

let's just lynch everyone who isn't in that list and walk away champions okay

[zakk]

[zakk]

It's like a perfect storm

Okay so empire is here on short notice I will post things tomorrow getting empire a job is ASAP

Real Talk for a moment:

You should not be in this game right now. If your focus in on helping Jerry, and trust me I know exactly the situation he is in, you should be putting your entire focus there.

Straight up, thank you for being there for him, I'm so glad someone can be there in person to support him, but get your ass out of this game.

<3 you're awesome Cabd.

Remembering stuff like this... Then moving

My head screams scum

But my heart says coincidence

Either way
We need flips

And this one's better than most


Tomorrow better be nothing like today tho

[zakk]

*(Then moving/cats... and now this)

[zakk]

It's like a perfect storm

Okay so empire is here on short notice I will post things tomorrow getting empire a job is ASAP

Real Talk for a moment:

You should not be in this game right now. If your focus in on helping Jerry, and trust me I know exactly the situation he is in, you should be putting your entire focus there.

Straight up, thank you for being there for him, I'm so glad someone can be there in person to support him, but get your ass out of this game.

<3 you're awesome Cabd.

Remembering stuff like this... Then moving

My head screams scum

But my heart says coincidence

Either way
We need flips

And this one's better than most


Tomorrow better be nothing like today tho

Are you seriously trying to imply that Cabd would FAKE his life situations to REPLACE OUT OF A GAME FOR BENEFIT, and that my GENUINE CONCERN FOR HIM IS SOMEHOW A PLOY?

Go.
Fuck.
Your.
Self.

No need to get an attitude with me

There's no reason this could not happen to scum too
It sucks from what I've heard but I know nothing about him personally so sorry if I offended you (and sorry to Cabd too, I really wish you the best)

However
Personally I don't want another replacement

Does anybody else have anything they want to get in before I hammer?

[zakk]

NO

LOL

[zakk]

I HAD A GREAT ONE

[zakk]

LOLOL

[zakk]

Legitimately bummed

[zakk]

I can't stop laughing

[zakk]

I find the lack of comments disturbing

I woke up at 4am to pee, and I thought immediately of this game and came here just to see the flip

And not only is there no flip but there's no more comments either

The level of apathy in this game is too darn high

[zakk]

1. yeeessss not only a lurker death but scum!

2. bbmolla looks even townier due to this flip / his comments

3. jazzmyn looks scummier, due to avoiding the wagon + metaing Lambda instead

4. the singer kill throws more suspicion on Lambda as well

5. why do you lose faith in me, zik?

[zakk]

@Kagami:

This is where I opened my mind:

I do not endorse a Cabd lynch

. At least not today
I do not endorse a Lambda lynch. Probably won't ever

I DO endorse a Plum lynch. This is much too difficult to push through a lunch on somebody that very few people believe is town and has wiggled out from under pressure so many times

Actually on consideration,

we gain nothing by me being pigheaded

I've made my Plum suspicion more than clear. If I die you guys know who to lynch

Now

let's look at other targets

Zik/Lambda/VI/Ranmaru
Lead on. Talk to me

A few of you suspect

Cabd

a few of you suspect Jazzmyn and a few of you suspect singer

Who is the best to lynch and why
Let's look at all sides of this thing

Who gives us the most info with a flip?

I was pretty tunnelly on your slot till that point.

Plus I had a lot of townreads, some of which keep getting stronger (BBmollamance20, Metalmaster Sonzik), some of which have gotten way weaker (Lady ΛΔ), and some of which are maintaining a similar level of towniness (SleepyRanmakruw, Nalchobamart 8. Rampage).

Also, when he said "see people voting me and am sadz" that seemed like scum trying to play a weak AtE (and now its confirmed). Still wasn't enough to lynch him imo, except that I had so many town reads already and I was just ready for the day to end (more the second one than the first one)

Here's the post:

Home with my cat,

see people voting me and am sadz

. Will explain rest of my reads shortly.

Mislynching me would be sadface...

this part sets off all kinds of spidey sense

defeatism + AtE in the same post
this is not town

So before that, it was PoE + apathy + bloodlust + annoyance = Cabd wagon is a good idea
Up until tha post, then Cabd actually started looking scummy independently.

Which brings me to: Cabd staying on your wagon was a curious thing. Thats making me rethink a lot of my suspicions, including you. I need to read more associations from yesterday with the Cabd slot and see what I see, but at the moment based entirely on the wagon:

On the wagon

:

- BBmolla looks very town (starting the wagon and pushing it)
- VI looks very scummy (right after it's started, jumps off Plum and puts Zik at L-2)
- Zik hops on without reasoning (but ayyyy it's a counterwagon to his wagon)
- Lambda looks bad for a lot of reasons (not only not being on the wagon, but defending Cabd, and also fighting with singer right before singer ended up dead, though admittedly that's WIFOM) Lambda's hammer now looks really bad, considering a scum pairing of her/Cabd
- Nacho doesn't really look good or bad from things imo
- singersigner we know is town (we should all read her posts closely to find out why she was killed, really wasn't expecting that kill, was expecting Zik or Ranmaru)

Off the wagon

:

- Ranmaru is still on Zik (dumb, but is it scum, probably not)
- I still want Kagami dead, but I was also willing to lynch just about anyone and was going to switch when Lambda stole the hammer from me)
- Jazz looks quite a bit worse (not on the wagon, though she said she wants to vote him, and also said she's cool with the wagon)
- Kagami wasn't voting anybody according to the vote count (has made 52 posts over 12 days... without a vote)

Also, Quaroath (cabd)'s early "frustration/meh" vote on Jazzmyn reminds me of scumbuddy behavior/distancing/etc. (side note: Zik's post after it looks even townier now in hindsight)

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@Zik:

Somebody explain town-plum to me

I've played with plum before and she was leaning town for me. Kagami is hard town. I am trusting her. Leap of faith. Betting the game on her being town. Stuff like that.

This doesn't explain anything

The reason why nobody was listening to your case is because you don't provide evidence to support your views. Even if she somehow was scum and Kagami isn't in this game, I don't think people will believe you much either. You and Ranmaru should hydra, because you guys cover each other's weaknessss €_€

There is evidence.
There is lots of evidence.

I only colored and repeated that one post because it was a good summary of her crimes, AND she dodged it and focused on the weakest point, trying to prove that wrong, AND THEN SHE REPLACED OUT AND PROVED IT RIGHT.

And then Cabd being on Plumgami's wagon during his death feels like super distancing from a scumbuddy (well, or trying to make me look scummy for pushing a town wagon so hard and setting up a future mislynch of me)

Those NOT down for the Master Zik lynch are far likelier town. (I'm in there, I'm town. Boom)
Those PUSHING for a Master Zik lynch, or the ones who were giving lip service to the Cabd lynch, without actually being on it, are where scum is to be found (e.g. VI, Jazzmyn) (I'm here too, but I'm town – I highly doubt Zik is scum, but I could have easily been like "yup, Zik's scum because *sheepy reasons* sooo vote: zik" with little to no consequences – but I didn't)

And it isn't because I'm trying to "be consistent" ... I think I've been anything but consistent this game tbh. Which is another thing that's annoying me. Which is another reason we needed a flip (and a scum flip is the best of all).

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TL;DR: we should lynch within [Vampirate, Kagami, Lambda, Jazzmyn] today.

[zakk]

I'm down for any of the four, I'll vote for whoever is the post popular.

[zakk]

Oh, also I'm V/LA this weekend, as usual (small time window rn, didn't expect my post to be so long, but stuff kept coming! lol)

AND, I'll be on vacation for 5 days starting Wednesday, I'll only have my phone, and I'm probably not gonna post as much.

[zakk]

I wanna lynch Jazz the least of the four after 2029

Jazz I don't really know my point with that part either (second from last) other than being like" I'm town cause otherwise I'm gonna lynch zik 9 times out of ten in that scenario as scum "

[zakk]

FYI people i've already replaced out.

Recently i've been taking on more than I can chew and it's causing me unneeded stress. It has been showing my limitations of what I can do.

So later.

Ahem. I do believe this is a scum claim.

[zakk]

Vote: Vampirate

[zakk]

Are we forgetting that VI slot is a claimed Hated Townie and should be definitely lynched?

[zakk]

What does in evens mean? We have an even number of players so the lynch takes one half more player relatively speaking? That sounds like crazy rationalization speak for let's not lynch my scumbuddy because mathematically speaking we have half a day more to do it in than we knew we did before, which after today functionally still means nothing because I doubt we get two lynches every day because that'd be a swing nightmare, mechanically balanced game-wise

Metal Sonic, answer my question pls

VI scum (hated no less) needs to die
Kagami and Lambda are distant seconds
Jazzmyn is an even more distant fourth

[zakk]

Read my posts today

[zakk]

Yes, that's exactly what evens means, and they're relevant for two reasons:

1) Unless the first lynch hits scum or there are only two scum, the second lynch requires a unanimous town vote to hit scum without bussing.

2) We don't actually need to PL Vi, who is obviously town.

1a Why would there be more than 3 scum
1b even if there's 3 scum left out of 9 that's not "evens"
1c obviously the best scum play right now is not to bus, regardless, so I expect a scum lynch will not be easy

2a lol no
2b even if this were true the slot is dead weight
2c it's good play to lynch hated regardless of 2a/2b

Regarding 1c above you and VI both have been notoriously hard to lynch, and you were off the lynch yesterday, and VI pushed a counter wagon to Cabd

And now you're one town reading the other and one scum reading the other, classic distancing tactic

It's high time you both died

I don't see how nobody else sees this (hint: pls see this, other people)

[zakk]

1) Unless the first lynch hits scum or there are only two scum, the second lynch requires a unanimous town vote to hit scum without bussing.

umm wtf? we only mislynched once

You're right, I was thinking 7 alive because of the Hated talk.

ooh that's convenient

*instigates more Kagami-VI mudslinging*

[zakk]

Why do you think singer died, zakk?

I'm willing to entertain opinions

[zakk]

Why would scum want to be off the lynch wagon when it's the only viable wagon with 2 days to deadline?

You tell me

[zakk]

You're dumb or scum then

Who DO you want to lynch ms?

You still didn't answer my question

[zakk]

I think 1945 contains at least one scum.

You seem to disagree. What's your opinion?

Between bbmolla and Lambda

Who looks scummier based off nothing but the wagon?
Lambda

Who looks scummier based off other interactions?
Lambda

Who does the kill squarely place blame on? Lambda

Makes perfect sense for someone (oh say you or VI for instance) to make that kill and then either hope it severely erodes people's early town reads of lambda, or gives VI another reason to stay off a lynch that would flip town and VI would have "ha ha I told you all so" cred

Also I'm not sure the double lynch thing is town
And I'm not sure why other people assume that

It seems like it could be a negative utility if VI ISN'T lying about being a hated townie

But even if not that role/slot/person needs to get dead anyway

And you haven't addressed post non-"evens" great revelations like oh wait there's prob not four scum in a mini OR there's not seven people alive so

You're proving my case that you're scum

P-edit:

ooh she speaks
And not a word of "that kill frames me"

Just Cabd-like "I hate you"/"I'm sadz"

[zakk]

To me if lambda is any kind of smart as scum she doesn't make that kill

[zakk]

Bottom line for me is:

I suspect the VI slot, I just do. It being a hated allegedly just adds fuel to the fire and is a helping reason for why VI should be dead REGARDLESS of your opinion on alignment

And I have a bad feeling if Lambda and Jazz are lynched instead of VI and Kagami scum is going to skate to an easy victory, especially if there are even MORE lynch altering mechanics or abilities

[zakk]

I'm the other person she named and I'm town

Bbmolla is also quite town looking due to starting a Cabd wagon instead of going with the flow on an easy other target

[zakk]

To me if lambda is any kind of smart as scum she doesn't make that kill

this is bullshit. everyone knows that people dont listen to dead town. maybe in this game we do or maybe we dont.

singer kill points towards LLD scum clearly.

This is remarkably shallow logic.

dont give me that bullshit. shes professor paragon. i just got out of a game where she got 4/5 of the scum right. i was scum. she caught titus=me. but we got rid of her and won the game.

i trust singer's reads

Are you talking about VI or singer here

[zakk]

Duh yes nightkills are WIFOM but maybe scum would take that chance but also scum would maybe use that to their advantage

Maybe I say singer kill is dumb as lambda because I myself would never have done that as scum because that clearly points back to me EVEN IF we didn't have meticulous readers-of-meta/walls in this game, which we clearly do between zik, ram, Jazz, and [fourth random person here added for evidence that my point is valid]

However that's just me I guess

Wow too many posts, phone life sucks lol

[zakk]

My role pm album is maladroit by weezer

[zakk]

Jazzmyn - 4 (Ranmaru, LLD, Vi, Nacho)

this is the shit group that was voteparking master zik earlier

totally not suspicious at all

nope

So who do you think is scum on there instead of throwing a shade blanket over all four

[zakk]

My role pm album is maladroit by weezer

...

what?

Ooh sorry that's my fakeclaim it's master of puppets by metallica sorry, facepalm

[zakk]

My role pm album is maladroit by weezer

...

what?

Ooh sorry that's my fakeclaim it's master of puppets by metallica sorry, facepalm

[zakk]

Way to go double post magic

[zakk]

Hint: I'm not claiming

I have no idea why I'm not because I have never heard of the band Genesis and idk if it benefits town or scum or neither so unless someone proves to me it's pro town or anything other than null, no

Pedit- ok
P-edit 2 - huh?

[zakk]

~Intent to hammer Jazz~

[zakk]

On the one hand, sure. But, unless both Jazzmyn and Metal Sonic flip Town(!?), we get at least two more lynches after this.

Jazz and MS will flip the same alignment. Your plan is terrible if that alignment is town, and no better than splitting the lynch if it is scum.

You sound very very very sure of that they flip the same alignment

Attempting to gain town cred noted

Even if you're wrong, and even if it's on purpose, this is a blatant attempt to make people think "scum wouldn't say that, so Kagami must be town"

Town wouldn't need to try for this
Town also wouldn't have the knowledge to make this assumption

Scum benefits from making this statement in a way town doesn't even realize they would

Kagami is scum guys

It's Kagami and VI

[zakk]

And no I can't use it because I'm on my phone and not at home

#responsibleadultlife
#lolasif

[zakk]

Interactions between Kagami and VI seem fake as well

[zakk]

Kagami, I have one very good reason why my double day plan won't fall apart for lynch two. You punks have to get through my Town bloc first!

That's why there's no chance LLD will get lynched Today!

Like what even is this

Rabble
Rabble

Lynch them both precious

[zakk]

Found it!

Vote: Jazzmyn

[zakk]

Vote: VI

Will also vote Kagami or Lambda

[zakk]

Vote: Kagami

with me then

VI has been putting half hearted support here for days without ever actually pushing it

It's time to push this lynch. It's time

I feel it

[zakk]

Wait. VI is still out there with a hated claim

VI needs to die today. We know if VI is town, scum isn't gonna do that job for us because that makes endgaming easier. And if VI is scum well, there it is. Makes sense pushing the zik lynch instead of going on Cabd when BBmolla started the wagon

8 alive, 2* scum left
Lynch
7 alive, 0-2 scum left
Nightkill, if applicable
6 alive on D4

That's 1v5 or 2v4 depending on flips if the game is still going. If VI is alive and is town, and it's 2v4, then it's LyLo possibly as early as D4.

So VI needs to die today.

Vote: VI

[zakk]

Well MS, if jazz flips scum and you're her partner, you have literally no chance of victory. Do you have any thoughts here?

Vote for VI

[zakk]

*throws a banana at everyone not voting VI*

*throws a holy hand grenade at Kagami*

[zakk]

MS why are you ignoring the VI being hated thing

[zakk]

In order to focus on pictures

[zakk]

VOTE: Kagami

At work will say more later.

Yo Ranmaru, I'm really happy you voted Kagami

And I'm gonna let you finish

But VI claimed the hatedest townie of all TIME

The hatedest townie OF ALL TIME

[zakk]

Zakk you confuse me. I thought you were really confident in Kagami.

Do you expect less than two scum to flip ToDay? Is that it? I'd prefer lynching scum back to back. Don't you?

You would know what I thought about Kagami if you read my posts. I believe Kagami to be scum but I feel VI is a superior lynch today because I also believe VI to be scum and having a potential hated townie alive past day 3 is basically suicidal, whether or not "we are at evens" numbers wise

Yes I expect less than two scum to flip today. I have no delusions of lynching scum three times running, that's crazy talk. Two out of three would be a very sweet deal IMO and I'd be more than happy to get one scum flip today

As for Jazz flip, I think there's a good likelihood she's scum, otherwise I wouldn't have voted her. I feel like VI is rubbing town's collective face in mud and laughing, and we are rationalizing things and trying not to feel foolish, even though deep down we do

I'm totally down for Kagami lynch, but I think VI should die first. It's just good play, and Cabd/Kagami has slightly less bad implications than Cabd/VI does

Think about it
Realize I'm right
Vote VI

P-edit yes Ranmaru if I have to answer the same question again I too will be annoyed. Vote VI, then Kagami. It wasn't a big deal yesterday who died first, but it's a big deal today.

The thought of Kagami being town and trying to keep VI scum alive gives me heebie newbies. Vice versa as well with scum Kagami trying to keep town VI alive.

[zakk]

Vote: Kagami

with me then

VI has been putting half hearted support here for days without ever actually pushing it

It's time to push this lynch. It's time

I feel it

Your story seems to have changed.

Yup

Kagami thinks I'm scum and you think I'm town

And I still wanna lynch you because hated

Doesn't make sense right?

And Kagami is trying to prove to me that we don't need to lynch you

Even though that means I'll be voting him

Doesn't make sense right?

But I can't tell if that's because he's scum and you're town and he knows there's more lynch altering mechanics which I'm currently paranoid about because I just finished Space Dandy mafia which had a triple voting scum power and he endgamed us on Day 3 even though we lynched scum on Day 1

Or if he's town and you're scum that'd mean he's playing right into your claim I.e. we don't need to lynch VI anyway because hated doesn't matter any more

Either way he clearly knows I'm town because he's trying to explain to me something like one explains to a dumb townie, not like one explains to a smart townie or pretends to explain to scum but really just blows them off because their scum and know this already

Tldr:

So the way I see it is, this basically proves nothing, BUT, I'm still suspicious of you both

Kagami is looking weird due to Cabd vote and trying to reason with me, and super secret of secret land makes me feel like he is not the optimal lynch for today even if he does have the required support. Also he's trying to convince me off my #1 lynch when he is my #2 lynch, what scum does that. So Kagami is partially redeeming the slot actually

Meanwhile, you, VI, are looking scummy, and continually scummier, for:
1. Pushing counter wagon zik right when the Cabd wagon was starting to take off
2. You're a claimed Hated and SHOULD have offered yourself up for lynch WILLINGLY yesterday, and again today
3. You SHOULD be trying to help us do the pro town thing and figure out what to do with you as a role, if that's actually your role
4. You SHOULD have different opinions about the game if you're anywhere as near as smart as your clever emotional manipulation makes you out to be
5. and now you're trying to throw shade on me for having conflicting opinions about two people who have been both scummy AND hard to lynch, all game.

Super tldr:

So yes, you, VI, are the better lynch by far. BY FAR.

[zakk]

And whoever said I'm giving scum vibes and town vibes yea that's normal

Check literally any one of my past town games (case in point, Newbie 1615 & 1621, space Dandy mafia, mini 1690 zeds tavern, all town, all the same thing). I just get mislynch a lot because I try harder than everyone else and people think it's scummy

Meta FTW in this case

[zakk]

whoa. what

[zakk]

VI, obviously!!! Pew pew pew

[zakk]

Soooo who's gonna claim that cause I sure didn't make that happen

[zakk]

Good point I'll wait to format it but my break at work is overrrr and I want this flip bad

Also I go on vacation tonight lol

[zakk]

There is no way I'm choosing anyone but VI though so unless you're scum grandstanding on a VI town flip lambda there's no reason for you to try to direct my choice

Whoever gave me this power gave it to me for a reason

[zakk]

WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY



OTHER SPIDERMAN QUOTES

[zakk]

I'm on work and not at break and all the bosses are here and on the prowl

Soliciting opinions for when I am able to sneak away and get here bye

[zakk]

I suggest you don't rely too much on "advice", because scum can also post "advice" on the thread

I know what I'm doing I'm not dumb

[zakk]

This ability should be claimed.

There is only one player who would reasonably have caused this while also being town aligned.

Who

[zakk]

So what's the update say

[zakk]

Claim, Kagami

[zakk]

And no I didn't do this myself

I actually had a similar ability in Space Dandy which I did not use, although this one is stronger. That one was a forced 1v1 with another player, I was gonna use it on xtoxm but then he triple voted me when i was at L-3 and lynched me, and endgamed town by himself the following day

Talk about bastard

Anyway this ability is not mine otherwise I would have definitely used it before this.

I want whoever did it to claim, plus I want reasons on VI, vs Kagami

Ranmaru, I think you're town, what's your opinion
Nacho, same

I know Lambda's opinion
I know neither VI or Kagami wants to die, but Kagami has been quite silent so far about being like "kill VI"

Any other comments Kagami?

P-edit: posts

[zakk]

Claim, Kagami

You can wait. If you act unilaterally, it's a scum-claim.

Fear mongering noted

I'm clearly not acting unilaterally and I've already asked for multiple people's opinions as well as put out a blanket call soliciting people's thoughts on general

Your clear avoidance of survivalistic behavior in this scenario is also noted

I'm gonna play this like LyLo where I'm conftown, and do the opposite of what I said/thought I was gonna do

Because there's a reason I was given this power of its from scum, and there's a reason you're brought to LyLo as town. It's because you're wrong

It's also why I'm asking the people I'm considering killing

Otherwise I'd just shoot

Unless you think I'm scum and did this and I'm now gambiting and super milking it for town cred you have no reason to be fear mongering

Unless you're scum

[zakk]

In my eyes Kagami is the best shot

Idk about role shenanigans with VI but. Leaning Kagami heavily

Never got any slot related reasons from anyone that it's town, just that Kagami the player is good as town or that someone trusts them for no apparent reason and I should too, or they just feel it

Well I haven't seen or felt that I've just seen a bunch of conjecture and positioning without any actual putting of the money whence the mouth is type behavior

And I'm feeling rather good about this

Spoiler:

I'll give it another hour for people with thoughts

But my "bathroom breaks" are taking a long time and people are starting to notice

[zakk]

I did it obviously.

I think your town, and even if you're not you won't use it all willy nilly. And you won't lynch me. So all win in my book. Also numbers wise probably my last chance to use it.

You da real hero

[zakk]

I know neither VI or Kagami wants to die, but Kagami has been quite silent so far about being like "kill VI"

Any other comments Kagami?

P-edit: posts

I've never advocated killing Vi, what are you talking about?

It's going to be one of you but you haven't said anything about "hey I'm town kill VI" you've just been trying to look calm under pressure. Scummy

And then when you feel like I'm about to use it you try to make me look scummy for using it without soliciting opinions which I've already done multiple times. Scummy

And you haven't suggested anyone else to die, you're just hoping it's not you, and you don't want to look like you're trying not to die. Scummy

You're scum

You gon' learn today

[zakk]

Also at "shrug central"

[zakk]

VOTE: Kagami

[zakk]

If you're both town then I'VE cost us the game

But I really don't think that's the case

[zakk]

Meh

Either way King zakk has spoken

For better or for worse

[zakk]

Those flips are... surprising. But mostly disappointing.

Who's left:

VI -defscum
BBmolla - probtown
Metal Sonic - looking significantly less townie but not as bad as lambda and VI
Nachomamma8 - probtown
Lady Lambdadelta - looking quite bad

Knowing those three are town is great for poe.

I think it's VI and lambda with an outside chance of sonic. I have no compelling reason to think VI is town in the least. I have very little reason to think lambda is town.

Re: Sonic and your suspicion of me. it's just how I do. I communicate pretty well but my reads are often off. I'm town here just like I was there. I'm the most obviously town player in this game tbh given yesterdays happenings but maybe that's conf bias

Actually, you bringing up that I hammered Jazz is suspicious, because the hammer is no more important than the rest of the votes. And you weren't in the jazzwagon either so you have a place of relative impunity to snipe at me from, and make me the fall guy. Because unless I have balls the size of Jupiter there's no way I drop two hammers like that, as scum. But maybe that's just me. Either way, I'm town, you're wrong, whether that's on purpose or not idk but, you're wrong.

Hm

I don't really trust anyone, but nacho and BBmolla are the closest to town reads I have. Not really considering BBmolla as 3p I think he's town

I will proooobably not vote anybody but VI today seeing that Kagami flipped town

Vote: VI

It's either VI and lambda, or VI and sonic, leaning lambda

I don't think it's lambda and sonic together

There's more stuff I wanna write but I dint have time rn

I'm in Vegas and there's stuff to do baby

But VI needs to die, that much is obvious

[zakk]

zakk, could you please claim? If not, who needs to ask you to claim before you do so?

Since when do you use manners

And, no

And, nobody

[zakk]

VOTE: Nacho

Your scum game is so fucking lazy nacho

Why do you think that I'm scum?

Your play has been crazy lazy and ungenuine and your vote on me isn't a vote you'd make as town. You just wouldn't.

@vi: Zakk is probably scum I fucked up dood

Me and nacho are neither of us scum

I'm town for sure and nacho is prob town

Stop the madness 2015

[zakk]

I king made sketchily because I wanted to survive the night. I don't play like I did yesterday otherwise.

Vi, do you see the problem with this point?

There is no problem with this point

Everybody should be survivalistic regardless of their role

Attempting to NOT appear survivalistic is scummy actually

[zakk]

I'm not claiming, sorry to disappoint.

I don't think I will either unless I find a good reason

[zakk]

Metal Sonic - looking significantly less townie but not as bad as lambda and VI

this is fucking interesting. this is a rapid readiness shift, where i was your #1 townread, but now after 2 town flips (whom i got 100% right, mind you) and NONE of which i supported, im suddenly "significantly less townie".

i suppose its because i voted you for being scum-motivated the entire game?

Being right about flips is easy when you're scum

Obviously I was wrong about my #1 scum read
Why would you expect me not to shake up my reads

That's one main reason it changed, because everything changed more or less

But

Funny how you brought it back to YOUR accuracy on flips

Trying to make it about "being right"

When really, townies get left alive and brought to MyLo or LyLo because they're being WRONG

clearly I've been wrong. I've also been a good scapegoat. And now would be a perfect time to hang it all around my neck just because I did I high profile hammer on Jazz, and then got made King, which I had no control over

If I was scum I would not have stuck to my guns I would have gone for town cred and been eager to have my mind changed to get easy town cred PLUS being able to blame other people if someone flipped town

It literally doesn't make any sense for me to be scum in any way, but I'm the best scapegoat because of "the obvious" and you are either too dumb to see that (which I doubt) or you are choosing not to, which could be as either alignment

But either way, you're wrong and I'm town

So why do you think VI is town because this is something I'd love to hear

You too nacho

[zakk]

I see metal sonic coming around to a VI lynch

And I like it

Also! I will partially allow myself to be convinced that BBmolla is a possibility worth exploring, with the provisos that:

a) metal sonic has been putting in a lot of work all game so this is not necessarily above and beyond. Though I can't say I argue with the results
b) something about the *tone* of BBmolla's posts suggest that while he is being wrong-ish and survivalistic, he's also town

He's worth looking into more, but I'm still 99% sure I will be voting VI and only VI today

So you guys better vote VI too.

As someone mentioned, probably sonic, it will take all 4 of us to lunch scum, and scum is very unlikely to bus unless they feel that:

a) their buddy's lynch is inevitable, and
b) they gain massive town cred from it

I also don't see how they can gain town cred from joining a lynch that is already inevitable, or indeed by doing anything less than spearheading the lynch and bussing their partner into the ground

In other words, scum is really really unlikely to vote for anyone that is not town

So

I want everyone to make a list of their top 2 scum candidates, with an explanation as to how they could possibly be scum together given what's transpired. Outside 3rd choice should be included, also with explanations.

Mine are located in 2420 from before Sonic's recent posting( which kinda removes him as third and replaces in BBmolla but not really... leaving off a third for now)
Metal Sonic's new reads are scattered across the last page/two.

zakk-VI, Lambda
Sonic-BBmolla,VI, zakk (correct me if I'm wrong on the order)

Copy this list and add it onto the bottom of yours

I believe we can math this as well as figuring it out other ways, there is certainly plenty of information to go on this far, but forcing people to take stances at this point is critical

Back to Vegasing, bye

[zakk]

I caught up reading. It's no surprise VI is voting me

I want to see more nacho discussion and I want to see more people vote VI

I'm so tired rn. Vegas us destroying me

I'll be gone until tomorrow prob

[zakk]

GG peeps

[zakk]

Plum, I'm sorry for upsetting you. Same to you Jazzmyn. You both had decently good reads and I was just trying to throw you off.

And singersigner, you did great overall. Very nice job. At the time, I thought we could probably leave you alive another day, but in hindsight I think Lambda was right to insist on your being nightkilled.

Speaking of Lambda, your play was pretty darn good as well. It was a pleasure playing with you as a scum buddy.

@ Everyone mentioned above: Let's all play again, please. And all of you deserve more credit than you've gotten (except, perhaps, Lambda – but only because you've already gotten plenty of kudos )


Does anyone have any pointers for me on how I could improve my scum play?

Spoiler: Also, side note

If anyone feels my play in this game was unethical, please PM me. I would love to talk with you.

[zakk]

Singer you didn't make the game less fun in the least... quite the opposite really!

[zakk]

Scum, is that okay with you?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7032194

I'm fine with that.

Maybe then people will understand why it wasn't just Lambda that won this game with me along for the ride. They'll see that in the beginning, Lambda was trying to supersede me and make choices without my consent, and in the end, Lambda was asking for my opinion and approval for decisions. Also, they'll see how I decided to start out looking town, and gradually become scummier and scummier. That was calculated play. I could have stayed townie-looking if I so desired, but that would have caused problems. And the #1 thing they'll see that the #1 thing neither Lambda or I could control (and ultimately, the only thing we

didn't

end up controlling), which was the Quaroath/Cabd slot, which, coincidentally, was the #1 threat to our survival as a team in this game. (The #2 threat was singersigner. I respect her intuition greatly).

In this game, Vi has quite definitively shown herself to be a "VI" on so many levels. She played horribly, which is not a big deal on its own, of course, but she also abused her mod abilities in the process (which IS a big deal) and in the aftermath of the game, she continues to make ridiculous excuses for her horrible play, and continues to breach the site rules in her post-game posts.

Unreal.

Vi, you should be very ashamed of yourself, and the site should turn your temporary mod-ban into a permanent mod-ban if it wishes to maintain its credibility.

Regards,
Jazz

Whole-heartedly agree with this. Especially the second paragraph.

On that note, may I ask why you're continuing to capitalize both letters of my name?

Now you know why.

ayy lmao

You were my favorite player this game. You are one of my favorite players on this site, actually. Keep on keepin' on.

Fun game, Untrod. I can see you put a lot of thought into the flavor and the theme. Sorry it ended up being the polluted debacle it ended up being. You didn't deserve that. I'm down to play another one of your games any day