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Am I supposed to be able to click on this link and have it take me somewhere? If so, doesn't work."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It'll likely take me a couple of days to properly catch up; want to try to catchup in a more pro town way than my usual "read nothing, start doing things later"."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 192, massive wrote:the Great American Beer Festival
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In post 113, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I think people who are 'good' at this game should tell me where the scum motivation in Sakura's posting is, because I seem to be missing it!
I see something about incongruence of sheeping someone and not wanting to understand their stance and blahblahblah, but that's dreadfully boring. Hell, I would have voted just for the sake of the flowchart.
There's also ETL blowing what's been done drastically out of proportion- asking why not to second guess a sheep on like page 2 of the game.
While yes, she has been asking for 'simple' explanations, it looks more like she's vastly overexaggerating what has happened.
Of course, this is IIoA.
If they're town I suspect MS will reign her in.
The attack on Sakura because she wasn't trying to understand Thor's reasons for voting was something I didn't agree with because it seemed pretty clear to me that Sakura wasn't sleeping Thor because she thought he found something, she was just sheeping Thor for the hell of it. However, this rebuttal in and of itself isn't exactly something that's hard to come up with or hard to post, so notscience entering the game and doing this instead of looking for scum is pretty bleh.
In post 130, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I am scumreading them.
I think they are trying hard to oversell a derpy town, along with their vote on us without actually prodding us and trying to read us.
This reasoning is weak. You give no reasons for why they're trying too hard to sell derpy town, no reasons for why their play is even derpy, and the "they're not trying to read us!" point falls pretty flat when you haven't really made any effort to read anyone yourself.
In post 215, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:can we acknowledge how massive is nitpicking words like thats supposedly a scumtell? ya have to be smoking something to think thats in any way town.
Massive "nitpicking words" is the argument that he didn't believe that Sakura had the leaning reads she talked about having earlier in the game. And yes, he's attacking semantics, but I don't think his angle was horrible/unreasonable like you're painting it out to be.
In post 432, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Frankly I'm willing to start survivalism voting but there isn't a solid counterwagon and somehow people think thats okay?
"There's no counter wagon! We must be town!" is an atrocious argument.
In post 587, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Can we pretty please just lynch Ank?
I'll give out sexual favors.
We could also lynch davvyboy, because for all the talk he does about how much he scumreads us he sure isn't trying to campaign our wagon or read other people.
Forming a magical scumread on your counter wagon isn't exactly the towniest thing in the world.
Your Davesto push because Davesto hasn't given a lot of committed reads is also easy lynch garbage.
All in all, there's not a vaguely town thought process that not science has been able to form this entire game. His scum reads have been for throwaway, easy reasons and on easy targets; some of his defenses have been true when defending Sakura, sure, but pointing out things that are true regardless of alignment is not a strong indicator of town. His response to ETL's suspicion on him is painfully fake, and while some of Sakura's posts have been OK, they haven't been enough to dig not science out of the whole he's dug for the slot.
Would be curious if Sakura could make a case on why she thinks notscience has been "obvious town", though; I think sometimes hydraing with someone and seeing their play unfold in real time with knowledge of their alignment in mind the entire time can be enlightening and would be curious if she saw stuff that I didn't."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 778, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Hi nacho
What can I do you for
I know you can actually read me so would you like to chat about whatever it is you are seeing? I was townreading bulge so I think your slot is town but that vote irks me.
If your slot wants to defend itself, would rather see Sakura defend it than you; not overly interested in seeing you defending yourself.
If you want to help me see where I'm going wrong with a read on you, talk to me about your picture of the game; all of your reads have been pretty one-dimensional or shallow and I think you can do better than you've done this game."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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@Thor:
Could you talk to me about your Ank read? The only part of your case I understand (because there are a lot of words and words are bad!) is the following:
In post 664, Thor665 wrote:So your first instinct on seeing a case from him was to go, he's wrong, but, man, how obvious he's scumhunting what with those wrong conclusions I can see and understand the town and not scum thought process?
I don't really buy that, I have to say.
And I disagree that you can't very strongly townread someone for making an incredibly wrong case. And that wouldn't be a statement I don't think you'd disagree with me on? So I'm misreading something somewhere and I'd like to know where."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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@Lying Cat:
In post 457, Lying Cat wrote:Of course, that brings us to Sakura, which is probably where I would've put the vote if I'd been super active from the start, but here's the rub there: She's in survival mode. She's not gonna do anything alignment indicative right now because she's on the defensive with a big sign reading everyone's out to get me. My response to that is to leave her alone for a little bit and check back when she pops her head out of the turtle shell and I can harass her until I figure her alignment out.
The belief that Sakura can't be read when she's on the defensive is... strange? As scum, she realizes that people are less inclined to attack her when she's on the defensive and thus goes on the defensive more often; I'm also surprised you're not attacking her hydra partner as a result of this belief because his posts are much more problematic than hers.
In post 457, Lying Cat wrote:Farside's reentry to the thread came with 2/3 of the post being agreement with ETL. Not just agreement, but "That's how I was feeling". And then she says "ETAngels is null", which doesn't sound like a reasonably or logical conclusion from her previous post. Literally 7 minutes before.
Your argument that farside agreed with ETL twice and thus should be town reading ETL is a weak one. I can agree/disagree with someone plenty but that doesn't translate into town/scumreading them as a result; most people are that way. It's not like farside went "man, ETL is killing this game, I'm agreeing with everything she's doing holy shit also she's null".
In post 551, Lying Cat wrote:He's playing spectacularly under par. He has yet to do anything town indicative of him, but his response to me has been clearly scum motivated. What better way to respond to someone who is actively pushing at you and trying to figure you out than continuing to call them stupid and ignoring their questions.
The way you're trying to figure him out is by doing nothing and asking him to sell you on his vote. I can see why he would regard that push as stupid and instead would rather see you do something else. Maybe you're right and he truly believes that if he explains why he's voting who he's voting and try to sell you on it that he will be revealed as scum and lynched, but I doubt it.
In post 652, Lying Cat wrote:Hmmm. Your issue with single vote wagons is that they are useless and unlikely to go anywhere, correct? And I'm saying your vote was useless and unlikely to go anywhere. I don't see a purpose in saying "Yeah, other people were voting on the wagon with me" when my issue is hypocrisy in intentions, not hypocrisy in words. Unless you'd like to argue that your vote was useful and likely to actually lead to something?
I don't think Thor's vote on Vedith was useless. I can see Thor viewing your vote on him to be useless.
I'd like to think the reason for different views on similar votes to be obvious, but maybe I'm wrong? Let me know if so."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 783, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Well I don't even know what i'm supposed to be defending myself from, since notty made those posts and the only thing i know is that we're town and you're misreading us. Your stance bothers me because i know notscience becomes very obvtown and he's been doing so this game, if anything the scumreads im getting is because of my play and not his, so... what?
~Sakura
I'm scum reading your slot because of his play.
I'm asking you to defend him and make a case on not science being obvtown."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 787, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I could make a case on notscience being town if i had to read him, but knowing his alignment beforehand doesn't help.
Also it would be a really bad idea to lynch us, but now that i realize that Davsto claimed JK and he's scumreading us it would be a bad idea if he interfered with our action tonight so im just going to say we're some sort of nerfed gunsmith (nerfed cop? dunno exactly on what kind of category would this role fall).
~Sakura
Full claim.
If he's obvtown, tell me how he's obvtown.
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In post 797, Davsto wrote:Anyway, I still don't buy it so I'm gonna be blocking you tonight, but lynching you is not the right choice.
This is unacceptable."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 807, Concrete Angels wrote:pistachi0 or Thor?
I won't be voting either of these players today, apologies."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 791, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I liked bulges early posts, he has been pretty accurate reading me when the rest of the playerlist us being stupid. Add on that ank vote which at the time was someone with little to no suspicion on him felt more like something town would do. If he was scum he could have just voted someone already veing voted or someone useless and didn't.
Your case for Bulge-town is that he read you as town early and he voted Ank when Ank wasn't an easy vote?
This is a fairly weak case, but OK.
In post 791, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Coming into this game I wanted to try and get under ca's skin. I was anticipating a fil out because e tls been rather nasty to me lately amd the posts in the maf pt of the last antihero game. So I alternated between lurking and jabs at them and then I didnt see that reaction which bothers me. I liked her responses to me because they made sense to me, and im not sure shes that big of an asshole as scum or why shed be trying to discredit us. There's also what I said about a davvyboy scumflip meaning they are town.
Reading players by "they don't express emotion when scum, they do when town" is the same trap that led to you misreading pieguyn; I have no reason to believe ETL cannot feel anger or frustration as scum. Davesto also isn't flipping scum? Your role and his role work as double investigatives that make sense with the ninja/backup ninja dynamic, and jailkeep makes sense as a protective to accompany the watcher that doesn't work until late game.
In post 791, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:I liked wingadings. I liked his response to coming back lurking lurking and I need to reply to his wall but overall I get towns vibes.
This is a weak read.
In post 791, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Im reading Catalan as useless town which I understand is a stark contrast to my earlier stance but im not really interested in lynching them today.
This is a weak read.
In post 796, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Can we stop being bad now and lynch ank
The Ank case is "he doesn't get defensive as scum, and isn't defensive now, and thus is scum". This is pattern matching; it's not a great case."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 817, Concrete Angels wrote:In post 812, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 807, Concrete Angels wrote:pistachi0 or Thor?
I won't be voting either of these players today, apologies.
Why not?
I am town reading both players."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Dave:
Scum's next two night actions will be spent shooting Hecatia and then shooting you. While there is merit to perhaps targeting Hecatia tonight, that merit disappears completely when you claim that outright, and jail keeping scum means that we get a scumlynch and an innocent and two power roles still, which would put us significantly ahead despite the outcome of today. If we can kill both ninjas before you two are dead, the watcher will be able to protect a PR for what is going to almost certainly be a win. I would suggest flipping a coin between protecting Hecatia and jailing a scumread; saying that there's a chance you will protect Hecatia lowers scum incentive to shoot her but also means scum may take the risk and shoot her."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 822, Concrete Angels wrote:LOL WTF NACHO.
how in the hell are you town-reading pistachi0n???? have you played with her before?
Yes. Is there a reason I shouldn't be town reading her?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 793, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:The 2nd is like... what... how am i supposed to explain how someone is obvtown when i DONT have to read the slot on my own? If i had had to read him then maybe.
I don't really understand why you're asking me to make a town case on my own hydra partner =/
You made a claim that not science was obvious town, meaning you could recognize that despite not having to read him.
Why was it unreasonable to ask you to explain why he was obvtown?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 828, Davsto wrote:I'm not actually protecting Hecatia, sorry.
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In post 831, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:In post 830, Nachomamma8 wrote:You made a claim that not science was obvious town, meaning you could recognize that despite not having to read him.
Because he's always obvtown when he's town
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That's not true.
People aren't "always" anything."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 834, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:You know what, fuck it, come lynch me i don't care anymore, it'll be fun to see your face for mislynching Town Sakura, when you've never done that mistake before
~Sakura
The only reason I'm continuing this line is so you can see my perspective in asking you to defend not science. I don't suspect you anymore."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Just because I haven't immediately voted you doesn't mean that I am still suspecting you."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 838, Thor665 wrote:The point is - you don't hold up a case you know is bad (a case that you are scum) as an example for others to see the glory of the scumhunting of a slot.
Sure, maybe (maybe) he looks at that case and gets town vibes, i could almost go along for that one, though I find it less likely than a 50/50, but to go the step further and declare it brilliant to behold? And also to then *not* address your "town read" and talk them down from suspecting you, but instead duck and deploy?
I'm following you now. I'll review that in a minute."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 846, Davsto wrote:In post 845, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Just because I haven't immediately voted you doesn't mean that I am still suspecting you.
I have no idea what this sentence means.
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In post 838, Thor665 wrote:Why are you opting for the change?
It turns out that I'm better at reading people when I actually read their posts
In post 839, Concrete Angels wrote:my eyes are glazing. i'm glad nacho's here but i'm pretty sure at this point that he's scum. i'd like a flip soon.
Because I disagree with your reads?
Why not talk to me about why you have the reads you do if that's the case?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 493, Ankamius wrote:Anyone who's scumreading Vedith needs to not be. That attack is blatantly town.
This reads like Ank is town reading Vedith for the push on him.
I'd argue he's holding it up as the example of Vedith's scum hunting because it's all the scum hunting that he's done.
And, while I find the read itself dumb, I don't really see why it's a read Ank holds as scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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The places I'm currently willing to vote are massive/Cataphant/Vedith; not really willing to vote anywhere else. If there are people who have feelings about one of these in particular, tell me now and lend me your sword. Otherwise, I will choose which one to push when I return and have time to drive a wagon."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 850, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Nacho has never scumread me when im town. Ever.
He just wants to use notscience to justify the mislynch and now is harping on me for being unable to show him why notscience is town when I know he's town.
True. I have never scumread you when you were town.
I have, however, townread you while you're scum, and while I don't have any particular problems with your posting, I wasn't confident in a townread there. I disliked not science's posting for the reasons I gave and figured tilting at him would give me his alignment pretty reasonably quickly."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 852, Concrete Angels wrote:i'm not really inclined to go doing your job for you.
I'll do that later, then.
My job is finding scum. I have read Pistach's and Thor's slot and reached and individual assessment already; taking other people's reads into account is something that happens after my initial impressions are formed."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 868, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:This would make sense if you were engaging with him instead of making me defend him, so Sorry not sorry.
I was engaging with him.
I was curious if you had reasons he was obvtown that I wasn't seeing, as I explained in my posts."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Finding a better place for my vote is a stronger priority than explaining town reads in details at the moment.
Do you have comments on the other two names I've given?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 875, Davsto wrote:I'm not lynching Cataphant or massive today. There are much, much better targets for today.
I'd make one of my big quote walls about pistach but I'm pretty sure that Concrete has said more than enough about the subject that I probably couldn't think of anything new.
Telling me there are better places without telling me why is not horribly useful."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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@Davesto:
In post 869, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 852, Concrete Angels wrote:i'm not really inclined to go doing your job for you.
I'll do that later, then.
My job is finding scum. I have read Pistach's and Thor's slot and reached and individual assessment already; taking other people's reads into account is something that happens after my initial impressions are formed."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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There is a lot I want to respond to and I will respond to it all eventually. However, at this very moment I am phoneposting and on my way to work so what I respond to and do in this burst of posting will be limited.
In post 883, Davsto wrote:In post 769, Nachomamma8 wrote:It'll likely take me a couple of days to properly catch up; want to try to catchup in a more pro town way than my usual "read nothing, start doing things later".
Just decided to look at Nacho's ISO and ahahahahaha
You don't think that my catchup has been protown? Why is that?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 884, Wingback wrote:Regardless, I'm not going to restrict my lynch choices to just the three you have listed. If you want to truly collaborate on your reads, you'll respond to my questions and flesh them out. I like your entrance and I liked your depth of posting but I'm not the kind of player who's going to let someone else arbitrarily choose three people and lynch only out of those three. If you want my support, flesh out all of your reads
I have every intention of fully fleshing out my reads as I form them and when I have the time to type them up; it usually takes me a little while to both develop my reads and get them in thread. I should have a good deal of that process done after work today.
My intention with the three name list was to find a place to push now, not restrict other people's places to vote."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 887, Thor665 wrote:Ank was town - so...that is assuredly something he does at least do a fair amount as town. So...Ockham.
I agree that town are more likely to scumread people attacking them than not, but this doesn't mean that town can't townread people attacking them. It seems like most people in this thread are townreading Vedith based on his attack on Ank which suggests that the attack is town-looking; I don't think Ank would be blind to that just because he was the one getting attacked.
Explaining why I think Ank is town (if I think Ank is town) is probably going to be a subject of my after work posting; in my read through, I remember liking him based mostly on tone."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 892, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Here he's also using the fact that i've snowed him to show paranoia on my slot, when in recent games he's never had paranoia on my slot when he's town (Point: I haven't rolled scum against nacho in a while, so if he had this sort of paranoia, he would have shown it in games where we were both town like Saki or corpse party, heck he didnt even try to read wisdom and tried to read ME on corpse party where I hydra'd with Wisdom).
I'm using the fact that you can fool me as scum to explain why I'm not satisfied with a townread on your slot just because I'm OK with your posting. I'm not pretending that I can't read you competently; I can. I don't think the posting you've made before the attack on me is posting you couldn't fake as scum or would have trouble faking; you did not have many well-defined pushes, and, as LC pointed out, have been in defensive mode for much of the game. However, I'm also comfortable in my ability to develop a read on notscience and thought that his contributions to the game were pretty lacklustre, hence me pushing him and not you.
In Corpse Mafia, I was less proactive about forming reads in general because that was around the time in my life where I was lurking out a majority of my games; the reason I ended up townreading you, if I remember correctly, was because of your attack on me: I thought your observations were completely on point with the information you had available, hence me telling you I completely understood why you were mislynching my slot.
In Saki Mafia, the reason I was townreading for your slot was - get this - because you were attacking the shit out of my slot early in a way I thought you were unlikely to fake as scum, and also had good looking pushes on Varsoon and later Wisdom.
The takeaway from this is the way that I feel most confident reading you is centered around how you push people and how you treat people you are intimidated by as scum; your pushes in this game have been scattershot at best and, while I felt the whole of your play was townish, I wasn't confident making a strong town call based on your play alone.
Notscience's play, however, was defending you from flawed attacks which is something I feel most people are competent at as either alignment. The rest of his play were scattered and shallow observations on a lot of players; one of his strong points as town and strong town signals is his depth of thought on certain players (paranoia) and I saw no signs of it here; still don't. You're right that the only reason I stopped pushing your slot at first was because of your claim but I don't think it was an unreasonable position to take based on notscience's play.
This was also a post written between distractions, so if anything is unclear, let me know."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Spent some time with Cataphant's ISO and still see them as a great vote.
My biggest problem with them is simply how weak and garbage all of their pushes were. Their push on Sakura for "weirdly aggressively questioning" was nonsense at best, their vote on Vedith for posting elsewhere was sheeping CA and Thor's quick push there and the push on pistachio (initially for "overjustification in calling out a sqwack and later because "no one was discussing her") felt similarly weak. Progression between these pushes is also practically non-existent; I don't really see any evidence of either head forming reads and that troubles me.
As a smaller point, hiplop's response to pressure (if we're not an obvious counterwagon I don't know what is) is weird and not what I'm used to seeing from hiplop under pressure in the past, but will have to substantiate that later."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 907, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:Who in this playerlist would you anticipate me being paranoid of Nacho?
And it's not the same with pie regarding ETL- I think she would be funneling it into the scum PT rather than in-thread.
The paranoia I'm expecting from you is less "oh I'm scared of a strong player!" and more "I'm considering situations that other players aren't".
Paranoia shows depth of process and is town because it considers a wide range of possibilities; it's hard to fake because it takes creativity as scum to come up with thought processes that aren't likely to generate support because they are ridiculous but they also don't look incredibly fake. I expect more paranoia from you than I expect from the average player, but I wasn't scumreading you because of lack of paranoia: I was scumreading you because your thought processes were shallow."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 895, Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:notty also warned me that he was looking for someone else to throw into the fire after he couldn't push us anymore and that whoever he chose would be Town (In this case Cataphant), he didn't want me to vote him until he had done that.
Like this is the towniest thing that came from your side of the hydra and is what I would classify as paranoia."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 915, Wingback wrote:@ Nachomamma8
In post 911, Wingback wrote:
In post 785, Nachomamma8 wrote:@Lying Cat: Your argument that farside agreed with ETL twice and thus should be town reading ETL is a weak one.
I've made this same argument. Why didn't you ask me about it?
I didn't notice you made it; I skimmed your post talking about your big three earlier until I had a laptop; links are something I don't have the patience for on a phone."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 115, pistachi0n wrote:This was a bad post. I know it's technically not game related but it's like you're trying to convey an "i don't give a fuck" attitude.
Disagree on notscience reading this post as town; it's not an attack I agree with, but not an attack that's particularly scummy.
In post 157, pistachi0n wrote:Most of her posts at first are filler that makes them seem like they're trying to do something, like 78.
I don't understand your point, nor do I understand why 78 is a particularly good example of it. Why is that "pretending to do something" over actually doing something or over simple and plain filler?
In post 157, pistachi0n wrote:Like there are a lot of posts but nothing good until 2/3 into the iso.
Sheeps votes on Vedith.
What is the good stuff that you're referring to?
A few people sheeped votes onto Vedith; why was Hecatia's sheep a special one?
In post 236, pistachi0n wrote:Farside you are making me suspicious.
Asking for name claims and justifying it with vague "I have a reason"
Why is asking for a name claim suspicious?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In general, I think most of her progressions look pretty decent (she's picked on Hecatia and Davesto and far side plenty and not backing off based on claims makes sense from a newer player's perspective). The read that I don't understand as much as I'd like, which is kind of a big deal, is the read in Hestia; I don't think she really got into reasons she disliked the slot other than "pretending to do stuff" which is a point I'd like to be walked through a bit.
I do think her play is pretty ballsy as scum if she continuously tunnels two people who are outed as power roles and can block/investigate her, and none of her reasoning send a up a red flag where it seems completely made up or disingenuous. It is a problem that her reads outside of her tunnel targets hasn't really been fleshed out, but I don't actually mind this a massive amount since I don't really remember her giving reads on a ton of people in Z Mafia where I played with her last.
Will make reading through Wingback's reasons for voting her more closely a priority."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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@Thor:
I think my assertion that multiple people were townreading Vedith because of his attack on Ank was due to a case of faulty memory; I'm rereading Ank right now to get a better read on the slot.
But first, question for Ankamius:
In post 452, pistachi0n wrote:What changed since your Cataphant vote?
In post 456, Ankamius wrote:In post 452, pistachi0n wrote:What changed since your Cataphant vote?
I forgot it was Vedith who had been voting for Cataphant until the vote count.
Why was Vedith's vote being on Cataphant before significant enough to make you change your vote here?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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@Ank:
In post 80, Ankamius wrote:eh, I've mostly been seeing more town than scum markers so far, although a lot of the scum markers I'd expect her to make are more long term from what I can tell.
Could you talk about the town and scum markers you saw for Sakura at this point in time? A major problem I have with your posting so far is that you don't really seem to have much depth in your reads. I think talking about what seems to be a read where you're taking a lot into account and thinking about a bunch of things would help a lot.
In post 227, Ankamius wrote:UNVOTE: Davsto
VOTE: Cataphant
Most likely the scum on the Vedith wagon. It's Thor if not him.
I like that you actually decided to follow up on your wagon thoughts from earlier (which backs up that you were townreading Vedith at this point), but I don't necessarily understand why you thought scum had to be on that wagon. Just because the case was bad meant that scum was going to jump all over it?
I found this post to be more likely to be coming from a town perspective than a scum one; the three slots he insulted were also the three slots driving the game, and I find that it's rare that lower-impact scum step on the toes of all three power players in such a way. There's a chance he does it because it's something that's widely seen as town, but the tradeoff is that you make the people who have the most influence over the lynch in a position where they want you to be scum and I don't think Ank made that tradeoff.
In post 509, Ankamius wrote:far from sheepable-by-three-players-instantly good.
I don't believe that the strength of a case is what dictates how many sheep it gets; if that were the case, town would win games a lot more frequently than they do.
These posts I found town tonally:
Spoiler: quotes
I believe Ank is probably more likely to be town than not.
I haven't particularly liked any of his attacks thus far, but I also haven't really minded them all that much.
I don't think his votes have been opportunistic in a "going for a mislynch" type of way.
I think that some of his pots sound good tonally.
As for Thor's case on him, I think that town do scumread attacks on them more often than random. I don't think they scumread attacks against them at such a high rate where not scumreading an attack against you should be cause for concern. I think Ank townreading Vedith's attack against him makes sense with the earlier town read on Vedith, and I find Vedith's case on Ank a reasonable enough thing to townread from an outside perspective."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 992, Wingback wrote:Firstly, I'd expect players who have played with Lying Cat before (you, Concrete) to resist the lynch because I've noticed people being notoriously reluctant to lynch within their in-group on D1.
I have the tendency to resist a lynch on a player I know who is null or townier and I feel will be emotionally hurt by a push on them. I have the tendency to resist a lynch on a player who is null or townier that I feel I can read very very well with proper engagement and there has been something preventing me from getting proper engagement with a slot. These are the only two situations where people in the "in-group" get special treatment, and they don't even get that special treatment consistently! I've personally been trying to push and sort people I know well faster; if you think that I'm resisting a lynch because of a personal opinion I have about a player, I'll do my best to reanalyze and explain my process better.
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I don't?
In post 1198, Concrete Angels wrote:please don't quicklynch. I'd like to hear from everyone. thoughts on yesterday's lynch would be grand too. any ideas on the LC wagon specifically is what I'd like to hear.
I don't think it sprung up as a counterwagon considering the main push came from Wingback/me/Thor.
I don't understand why Cataphant is such a popular target today when they were ignored for most of yesterday while I was trying to get that going; anyone care to explain a change of heart?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1213, Davsto wrote:I understand.
May I suggest that my newbieness and lack of accurate reads is potentially why I wasn't killed?
In post 1208, Concrete Angels wrote:In post 1206, Davsto wrote:Wondering why scum made a nightkill is unlikely to result in good results so yeh...
are you actually trying to discourage analysis?
i'll analyze and share whatever the heck i want, tyvm.
If scum was killing based on power, they would have killed one of Hecatia/Davesto. Both are not scum but neither died meaning scum likely killed because they were afraid of Wingback."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1237, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: Nachomomma
I looked through the iso, think he had the most suspect reason for voting Lying Cat. He responded to a few of Lying Cat's statements but never directly stated why he was scummy. and he stopped talking after placing the LC vote.
I thought that a Lying Cat vote was good because I agreed with the assertion that he hadn't done much but scumhunt Thor in a way that didn't make much sense and I agreed that scum!Jingle would think that tying himself up with Thor would be a good strategy to skate past a couple of days. I've skimmed your case in the small bit of reading that I have managed to do, but i your reason for finding me scum really "he didn't explain one of his votes"? You notice that I don't tend to explain my votes immediately on making them and you've been fine with all of the explanations thus far, so why is me not getting the chance to explain one of my votes scummy?
In post 1255, Cataphant wrote:I recommend you all look at the very end of the day yesterday, and while my recollection was that everyone was debating between pistachio and lying cat, thor was basically only going one side of that story with NO explanation. I think he did the IC thing where he put his ass on the line a bit to keep his buddy safe. He used the fear of deadline to push people into going onto Lying cat. He's been a strong voice so had enough power to remain mostly unscathed, but upon reflection (especially with wingback flipping town) shows that a lot of what he was saying was BS.
I think pistachio has to go today.
I don't find this explanation to be at all accurate, but maybe my memory isn't what it used to be.
In post 1262, Davsto wrote:In post 1256, Nachomamma8 wrote:DICKS DICKS DICKS DICKS SUCKS
Nice
VOTE: Nachomamma8
Now say somethinguseful, because I'm not just gonna let you get away with fluff.
...what?
I made that post because I didn't have time to read and catch up on the thread.
Do you really think that a player making one fluff post is worthy of a vote?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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