Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)

Netherspite · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:01 pm

Confirm

Netherspite · Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:45 am

Me hungry!
We kill him - me eat brains!

VOTE: BRantz

Netherspite · Post Post #47 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:56 pm

In post 42, Albert B. Rampage wrote:THE CONTACTS

Netherspite: Human Fixer
Gale Wing Srock: Elf Cybersurgeon
inte: Human Tech Supplier
vezokpiraka: Ork Ammunitions Supplier
ShadedMelee: Dwarf Fence

THE RUNNERS

FA_Q2: Human Decker
shaddowez: Troll Raccoon Shaman
Firebringer: Human Combat Mage
BRantz: Human Building Countermeasures Rigger
Vedith: Elf Street Samurai
Albert B. Rampage: Ork Face
Shiro: Ork Security Specialist
Shinobi: Ork Adept

Me not human anymore!
Me eat brains!

Netherspite · Post Post #65 (isolation #3) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:07 am

In post 61, Shiro wrote:......

Of course I don't have a scourge character You just..... Did you just claim scum FA? you just voted me for believing I am not scourge

Why of courz?
You not like us?
I will eat your brains then!

Netherspite · Post Post #83 (isolation #4) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:19 pm

We r allied with Burnin' Legion.
Now pliz lets kill sum human and I eat brains!

Netherspite · Post Post #117 (isolation #5) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:45 pm

In post 113, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm definitely town.

Alright, let's do this.

Vote: Shiro

Me not like this.
Me like his brains.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Netherspite · Post Post #122 (isolation #6) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:37 pm

In post 119, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 117, Netherspite wrote:
In post 113, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm definitely town.

Alright, let's do this.

Vote: Shiro

Me not like this.
Me like his brains.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

I hope you have a posting restriction because this type of posting is simply annoying.

Me eat brains.
Mine is rotten.
Me sorry.

Netherspite · Post Post #125 (isolation #7) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:06 pm

In post 123, Shiro wrote:^ I think that is him saying yes

Actually not.
I'm just trying to roleplay my flavour.
If you hate it so much I'll stop.

Netherspite · Post Post #134 (isolation #8) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:17 am

Tasty humans... elves... even if confused...
Their flavour... not scourge. They know we no scum.
Why call sum1 scourge?
Shiro did no slip.

Netherspite · Post Post #147 (isolation #9) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:54 pm

Mah king!
Lead us to the victory!
I will eat brains of our enemies!

Netherspite · Post Post #159 (isolation #10) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:18 am

Brains! I sense fresh human brains!

VOTE: vezokpiraka

Netherspite · Post Post #170 (isolation #11) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:07 am

Arthas wins with us...
We win when all humans dead...
Arthas - our king!
Arthas wins when all humans dead!
Slay humans!
All hail the raising Lich King!

Netherspite · Post Post #181 (isolation #12) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:57 pm

In post 177, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 159, Netherspite wrote:Brains! I sense fresh human brains!

VOTE: vezokpiraka

This seems really opportunistic. I don't really like naked votes and the timing is rather suspicious to me.

Only human scum wants our king dead so bad.

Netherspite · Post Post #194 (isolation #13) » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:00 pm

@Firebringer

Why he says Arthas not one of us?
Why insists?
I feel strong human smell there...

Netherspite · Post Post #245 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:37 pm

[nonrp]In sc2mafia survs are usually getting lynched.
That said, I agree that surv can play pro-town.[/nonrp]

Netherspite · Post Post #249 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:15 pm

In post 246, Firebringer wrote:
In post 245, Netherspite wrote:[nonrp]In sc2mafia survs are usually getting lynched.
That said, I agree that surv can play pro-town.[/nonrp]

Do you even play that game?
They hardly get lynched if they claim.
lol

Yes I did play it a lot.
Survs are getting lynched or executed by jailors if they claim like 75% of the time.

Netherspite · Post Post #310 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:16 am

Firebringer

's claim makes sense.

vezokpiraka

is still human.
Vote him and let me finally eat some brains.

Netherspite · Post Post #325 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:55 pm

In post 319, Gale Wing Srock wrote:I don't think he is the survivor, and his post #247 tells me that he is mafia who is trying to claim survivor. And since people expect that to be a desperation move by mafia. They wouldn't expect someone to do that early on.

Why would scum say that votes are not considered clicks?

Netherspite · Post Post #352 (isolation #18) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:13 am

In post 351, BRantz wrote:I don't have an issue with you claiming your ability. That I feel is pro town, its the rest of if that makes the whole thing worthless.

Clever thought.
But we don't know if he realized that or not.

Netherspite · Post Post #359 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:12 pm

In post 353, Shinobi wrote:What exactly are you implying?

That he could claim 3p instead of ability only because he didn't realize it's harmful.

Netherspite · Post Post #362 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:58 pm

Killing 3p = zero information.

Netherspite · Post Post #407 (isolation #21) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:56 pm

In post 405, Firebringer wrote:Why would scum be off my wagon?

I am a guranteed no information lynch. I don't see why scum would want me alive than the possibility I ally with them at the end.

Which isn't going to happen.

I'd be off your wagon as scum because I don't believe that a survivor would play against his wincon and not join the scum if they would be winning.

Netherspite · Post Post #467 (isolation #22) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:12 pm

@Call of the Wild, @Performer

Welcome!

@Call of the Wild

Why do you think that

Firebringer

should die? I believe it's a waste of lynch.

Netherspite · Post Post #522 (isolation #23) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:25 pm

@Performer

I don't consider lynching survivor any useful.
I'd prefer to lynch scum like

vezokpiraka

or at least

inte

(I consider him less scummy but still scummy).

Regarding the roleplay: I liked my role flavor and decided to play for it.
Now I can't continue doing so because I need to express more than I can while roleplaying such a 'dumb' character.

Also, you seem to be completely misunderstanding the flavor factions in this game. You should read the beginning of the day when we discussed it and explained it to those who didn't understand.

Netherspite · Post Post #523 (isolation #24) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:31 pm

@Performer

I happen to townread

Vedith

,

Call of the Wild

,

Shiro

(he's semi-confirmed as his flavor is unique and not CCed),

BRantz

.

Netherspite · Post Post #524 (isolation #25) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:31 pm

In post 520, Performer wrote:
-Yet he keeps speaking of eating brains and slaying humans in his posts (none of that sounds town)

Yes it does sound town.
Read the game please.

Netherspite · Post Post #533 (isolation #26) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:12 pm

In post 532, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I recommend investigation on Netherspite tonight.

A waste of investigation. Would be better to check

vezokpiraka

/

inte

.
But either way, you'll may be finally reconsider your reads when I'll be confirmed town so I don't mind being investigated.

Netherspite · Post Post #540 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:42 am

In post 537, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 533, Netherspite wrote:
In post 532, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I recommend investigation on Netherspite tonight.

A waste of investigation. Would be better to check
vezokpiraka
/
inte
.
But either way, you'll may be finally reconsider your reads when I'll be confirmed town so I don't mind being investigated.

You're scum.

A scum with a town role PM? Something new.
Did I not notice something in the game rules?

Netherspite · Post Post #544 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:31 am

In post 543, Performer wrote:@Nether how am I misunderstanding the sides? From what I understand, the Scourge and Legion are united against scum. I even made sure with the mod when I got the role pm, so I would know what side I’m on.

I fully understand you were playing to role pm but it still struck me as awkward. I will put that aside then.

So the humans are our enemies and you consider me scum for wanting their brains?

Netherspite · Post Post #582 (isolation #29) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:51 am

Oh, I really didn't expect

Shiro

to lie about wincon.
Arthas becoming undead was making sense.
Well then, we got rid of one scum.

Also I'm kinda disappointed Ghoul ain't unique flavor. I thought everyone would have his own flavor ><

Still, this one is scum:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

Netherspite · Post Post #591 (isolation #30) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:25 am

Shiro

technically was a member of scumteam his teammates didn't know about.
That's it.

Netherspite · Post Post #592 (isolation #31) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:25 am

Oh well with the "you lose if left alone" part.

Netherspite · Post Post #593 (isolation #32) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:32 am

Lol, just realized that voting me at this point is basically a scumclaim.
Just because I softclaimed and roleplayed a Ghoul before anyone ever mentioned it and before we had the flip of another Ghoul.

Netherspite · Post Post #616 (isolation #33) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:52 pm

In post 596, Call of the Wild wrote:Ewww Nether..your posting is gross. Ghoul is a VT. You don't get credit for crumbing VT, presuming you did.

In post 612, Performer wrote:
Man...you are funny....I guess you have a point in being proud of playing out your Vanilla role lol.

Yeah, no.
I didn't crumb VT. I crumbed Ghoul.

In post 47, Netherspite wrote:Me not human anymore!
Me eat brains!

Here is where I got this quote ("Me eat brains!") from: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Quotes_of ... ad_Scourge
Plus "Me not human anymore" was another huge hint for the Ghoul.

The only players who knew that VT flavor in this game is Ghoul were VTs.

Netherspite · Post Post #617 (isolation #34) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:53 pm

Also, I'm unvoting unless we'll have a CC.
UNVOTE:

Netherspite · Post Post #618 (isolation #35) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:16 pm

I've read through

Shiro

's ISO.
Interesting thing: he was pushing (to some degree at least) all the scummy people.
Was he just bussing them? He will still win if scum will. He doesn't need to survive.
Or am I completely wrong about who's scummy and who ain't?

Netherspite · Post Post #622 (isolation #36) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:58 am

If we exclude those who

Shiro

pushed from the list of scumspects, I'm considering

inte

the scummiest.

VOTE: inte

Netherspite · Post Post #627 (isolation #37) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:46 am

In post 626, Shinobi wrote:I ran a traitor in Apocalypse, and he converted when he was shot by mafia.
I have a theory but it's kinda tinfoil so I'll hold off until the mod clarifies.

That would be in his role PM, don't you think so?

Netherspite · Post Post #641 (isolation #38) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:12 pm

In post 639, Performer wrote:@Net what do you think about vez's role between the discussion of Shiro & I, on d1?

I strongly disagreed with him when he was pushing

Shiro

for being a 3p while he wasn't a 3p (as I thought at that time).
I was voting him for that.
I was wrong about

Shiro

, he lied to us.
Also I believe that

vezokpiraka

is the real Vig so I consider him conftown for now.

And I honestly don't know what his role in discussion of you you mean.
He only voted you once? without much discussion going on?

Netherspite · Post Post #646 (isolation #39) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:09 am

@The Silver Bard

You miss the important fact: scum didn't know that

Shiro

is Traitor.
Why would they oppose his lynch?

Netherspite · Post Post #652 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:40 am

In post 650, The Silver Bard wrote:
They may not know that Shiro was the traitor, but perhaps they knew that there was a traitor and that this traitor was Arthas. After Shiro claimed Arthas they would then know who the traitor was.

I don't really think it's possible.
That would kill the whole point of him being the Traitor and not the scum team member.
Claiming => he's technically their scumbuddy now with a healing powers.
I consider it possible (but unlikely) that they know there is a Traitor but knowing his role flavor is just too much.

Netherspite · Post Post #677 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:47 pm

In post 664, The Silver Bard wrote:
You might be right. But why would Shiro claim if he didn't believe his scummates would understand that it was a message to them?

Go read his role PM again and tell me how exactly he could know his teammates are going to understand it was a message to them?
Why would he even guess that?

Netherspite · Post Post #691 (isolation #42) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:27 am

In post 690, Vedith wrote:
Shiro wouldn't town read both buddies I don't think... But I can see 1 being there.

I agree with that.
Townreading both buddies would be too risky gambit.

As of

inte

I'm becoming little worried about him becoming a consensus lynch.
He seems to be too obvscummy. However I still think he's the best candidate for today's lynch.

Netherspite · Post Post #695 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:19 am

I still wonder how can any sane person believe that I as scum would have some kind of telepathic skills to read VTs minds and detect that their role flavor is Ghoul.
This is beyond my understanding.

Netherspite · Post Post #721 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:16 am

In post 711, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Town

FA
Inte
Vezok
Vedith
Performer

Scum

Netherspite
Bard
Call of the Wild
Shinobi

In no particular order.

Why is

inte

town?
Why are

Shinobi

and

Call of the Wild

scum?

Netherspite · Post Post #722 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:17 am

In post 720, Shinobi wrote:Can we not hammer until I get home at least?

Yes please.
No reason to hammer that early.

Netherspite · Post Post #724 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:27 am

In post 723, Vedith wrote:
You too...

More discussion = more information for the town.
More time until the hammer = more reactions on the wagon.

Netherspite · Post Post #728 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:29 am

In post 727, Vedith wrote:But my comment was, if you don't want a hammer yet, then why not unvote to prevent that?
You can still have intent to have you vote there, but it does prevent a derp hammer.

Derp hammer provides information as well.

Netherspite · Post Post #734 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:34 am

In post 731, Vedith wrote:
In post 728, Netherspite wrote:
In post 727, Vedith wrote:But my comment was, if you don't want a hammer yet, then why not unvote to prevent that?
You can still have intent to have you vote there, but it does prevent a derp hammer.

Derp hammer provides information as well.

And it also stops information and ends the day early...

In my memory there was only one derphammer in non-newbie games I've been in.
And it was done by scum.
So for me derphammer provides lots of information and I'm okay with sacrificing remainder of the day to get that information.
I'm not saying I want someone to derphammer, I've expressed how am I against it.
However, if some scum wants to do it - I don't mind, go ahead

Netherspite · Post Post #735 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:34 am

@Albert B. Rampage

You didn't answer.

Netherspite · Post Post #740 (isolation #50) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:39 am

In post 738, Vedith wrote:
In post 734, Netherspite wrote:In my memory there was only one derphammer in non-newbie games I've been in.
And it was done by scum.
So for me derphammer provides lots of information and I'm okay with sacrificing remainder of the day to get that information.
I'm not saying I want someone to derphammer, I've expressed how am I against it.
However, if some scum wants to do it - I don't mind, go ahead

I've seen it in non newbie games by town. I've also seen experienced players do it... It just takes a bad catch up to do it...
I mind, I don't want the day ending early.

And that's why I supported

Shinobi

's stance on quickhammering.
I strongly advise town to NOT quickhammer.
Quickhammering as town in such situation is playing against wincon.

Netherspite · Post Post #741 (isolation #51) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:40 am

In post 739, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Yes, I did.

I'm may be blind or smth.
Mind pointing it out where did you answer me?

Netherspite · Post Post #747 (isolation #52) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:45 am

@Albert B. Rampage

I'd consider

The Silver Bard

's lynch tomorrow.

@Vedith

I'm saying: "Don't hammer if you're town, go for it though if you aren't."

Netherspite · Post Post #749 (isolation #53) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:46 am

Albert B. Rampage

moved towards townlean in my readslist.

Netherspite · Post Post #751 (isolation #54) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:48 am

@Vedith

Idk how to explain it better to you.
I just tried to warn town to not quickhammer.
Because personally I'll interprete quickhammer as a scumclaim.

Netherspite · Post Post #754 (isolation #55) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:50 am

In post 752, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 749, Netherspite wrote:
Albert B. Rampage
moved towards townlean in my readslist.

You were wrong about Shiro, and you were wrong about vezok. Would you be willing to revisit your townread on Call of the Wild?

I'm definitely going to go through their ISO tomorrow (it's too late atm for me) because something made me worried about them today.

Netherspite · Post Post #760 (isolation #56) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:54 am

@Call of the Wild

It's mostly a gut at this point. Overall picture of your posting today made me worried.
I'll revisit your ISO and after that I'll be able to talk about it more specifically.

Netherspite · Post Post #765 (isolation #57) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:01 am

@Vedith

Do you scumread

Call of the Wild

at the moment? If so, when did you begin feeling so?

Netherspite · Post Post #796 (isolation #58) » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:38 pm

@Call of the Wild

Honestly, you make no sense with your out-of-nowhere scumread on me especially when I'm literally confirmed VT.
Leave alone the fact I'm voting "my partner" from your PoV.

Regarding

vezokpiraka

- there were 2 kills N1, how is that possible without Vig? And even if scum has 2 NKs for some weird reason, why would they kill

Shiro

?

Netherspite · Post Post #807 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:37 am

In post 805, inte wrote:someone explain my scum motivation for putting my first real vote on my 'scumbuddy' because of his scumslip

He was a Traitor.
You didn't know he's your buddy.

Netherspite · Post Post #819 (isolation #60) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:11 am

In post 818, The Silver Bard wrote:I will hammer inte tomorrow. So if you want a different lycnh or want him to live abit longer it is time to move your votes.

To save your ass?
You make me thinking that I might be better having my vote on you.

Netherspite · Post Post #821 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:18 pm

In post 820, Albert B. Rampage wrote:See, this is why Shinobi and Netherspite don't redeem themselves. They tease an unvote on an obvious town, and do nothing about it. All words and no actions, you don't feel any sincerity in their posts. They make cute noises and then go back into hiding, making it easier for a mislynch.

If

The Silver Bard

will do that (place a hammer tomorrow) I'll consider it a scumclaim as I said and will be voting him until me or him will get lynched.
What other actions do you expect me to do?

Netherspite · Post Post #825 (isolation #62) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:46 pm

Omg why do people always get me wrong.
I never said or implied I consider

inte

is town.
Idk where you got that from.
I consider the hammer from

The Silver Bard

a scumclaim because:
a) it's too early for the hammer and I want to see more discussion going;
b) he is the most interested in his lynch player in the game because

inte

is a counterwagon for him.

Netherspite · Post Post #826 (isolation #63) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:49 pm

^ this was addressed to FA_Q2

Netherspite · Post Post #828 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:50 pm

vezokpiraka

is conftown for now, leave him alone.

Netherspite · Post Post #830 (isolation #65) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:52 pm

In post 829, Vedith wrote:
In post 825, Netherspite wrote:a) it's too early for the hammer and I want to see more discussion going;

You keep saying this... But even when someone showed intent to end the day early, you didn't unvote. Meaning that you are okay with ending the day early...

We discussed it already.
Idk how to explain my stance better.
Idk why people consider it a contradiction or scummy or whatever.
Not the first time I'm suffering from having different opinion from the other townies ><

Netherspite · Post Post #832 (isolation #66) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:58 pm

And this was discussed as well.
He wants to hammer? It will be

his

decision and I will draw conclusions about

his

alignment.
If someone wants to draw conclusions about

me

because of

his

actions then I don't know what to say honestly. That's plain stupid for me.

Netherspite · Post Post #834 (isolation #67) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:10 pm

In post 833, Vedith wrote:No, you don't get it... I am drawing a conclusion due to your lack of actions, not what others are doing...
Bard is going for the counter wagon, so if some magical reason TSB is town, then that sets up a next day mis lynch if Inte is actually town.
Your attitude to the whole thing is anti town.

What's his motivation (if he's town) to hammer

inte

early? I don't see any.

Netherspite · Post Post #836 (isolation #68) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:29 pm

I am considering survivalistic attitude anti-town.
Some people tend to disagree with me but I will insist on it no matter what.
If he will hammer I will vote him tomorrow.

Netherspite · Post Post #838 (isolation #69) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:16 pm

In post 837, Vedith wrote:Hey, I agree... It's not the best way to be as town, but so many people play like that.
I can't see them both as town, I can see 1 town and 1 scum, but without the proof all we have atm is further conversation.

So, what do you think about

Call of the Wild

?
I find their latest posting not very towny.

Netherspite · Post Post #840 (isolation #70) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:38 pm

In post 839, Vedith wrote:By not very towny, do you mean scum or null?
I haven't seen enough to put into town, but no way are they posting scum minded comments. The fact that they are trying to resolve a good possibly lynch rather than just throw the pitch fork at a single person is what I like.
As I said, if Titus is scum, she will easily slip up so I'm not a fan of lynching here to this point.

Okay. I mostly agree with that.
What about

Albert B. Rampage

? Do you townread him?
For me he is pretty towny at this point.

Netherspite · Post Post #842 (isolation #71) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:14 am

Vedith

If

inte

will be lynched and he'll flip scum, who you think his most likely partner?

Netherspite · Post Post #850 (isolation #72) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:06 pm

I'll prolly get mislynched for that but I'm like 80% sure that's the right vote today:

VOTE: Call of the Wild

Completely ignored by
Shiro
. Both before and after replacement. Excluding the "hi" gif.
Pushing survivor instead of scumhunting D1.
Pushing 95% conftown
Vezokpiraka
now.

That + today overall posting is enough for me.
However, there are more unreliable evidences like

shadowezz

's phrasing in #73 - he says that

scum is fighting against the Scourge

, not that town is

trying to take control over the Azeroth

. The phrasing is from the scum wincon and the first Mod post, not from the town role PM (yeah I do realize that town could look at the Mod's first post as well, that's why this one is unreliable).

Netherspite · Post Post #852 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:01 pm

In post 776, Call of the Wild wrote:
Vezok worries me as well. I know outed vig = unlikely to be scum. That doesn't mean impossible. Vezok keeps attacking obvious town fmpov. I also claimed vig as scum in Gundam Seed. I was just the scum kill.

In post 783, Call of the Wild wrote:
Scum's in inte/Nether/TSB/Vezok. Agree or Disagree?

In post 817, Call of the Wild wrote:
In post 815, FA_Q2 wrote:All others are town but Vezok might be an SK. Best to let scum handle it.

Netherspite · Post Post #853 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:01 pm

Fixing broken quote:

In post 776, Call of the Wild wrote:
Vezok worries me as well. I know outed vig = unlikely to be scum. That doesn't mean impossible. Vezok keeps attacking obvious town fmpov. I also claimed vig as scum in Gundam Seed. I was just the scum kill.

In post 783, Call of the Wild wrote:
Scum's in inte/Nether/TSB/Vezok. Agree or Disagree?

In post 817, Call of the Wild wrote:All others are town but Vezok might be an SK. Best to let scum handle it.

Netherspite · Post Post #854 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:02 pm

Aight, I used the wrong word. Not exactly pushing but being semi-sure he's 3p scum.

Netherspite · Post Post #860 (isolation #76) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:04 am

Yeah, I've said that I'm going to get mislynched for that exactly because of this.
Now you will put it against me just because I agreed with

Vedith

before reading your &

shadowezz

's ISO that

Titus

's alignment can be sorted later.
On the bright side, after town will see my flip they'll hopefully have a good time analyzing my wagon full of scum

Second, regarding my Ghoul crumb.
Do you really think that scum (who is fighting against the Scourge) has flavor that can be roleplayed as a Ghoul AND that will allow you to make Ghoul quote? Please point at a single anti-Scourge and anti-Burning Legion character in the Lore that can meet those conditions.
Your attempt to refute my Ghoul crumb is nice but I find anyone really believing that not a smart person to say it soft.

Third, my play around the hammering was explained already. You can ignore that but it doesn't make my play any more wrong. It is my stance and I'll repeat the stuff I already said about it as many times as it is needed for you to understand it.
I'm not hiding anything here and by behavior is lead by strong reasons.

Netherspite · Post Post #861 (isolation #77) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:06 am

In post 859, Call of the Wild wrote:
This is a lie. Did you even read our posting when we came into this game? We did plenty of scumhunting and gave reasons for FB.

Really? Here are your "reasons":

In post 529, Call of the Wild wrote:VOTE: FB

Neither of us like Vezok but I would rather lynch confirmed not town this close to deadline.

Much scumhunting.

Netherspite · Post Post #863 (isolation #78) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:10 am

Yeah it must be hard to convince yourself that someone who you know to be town is actually scum.

I've already re-read stuff you've posted. The result of your 'scumhunting' D1 was lynching a claimed survivor. You could just do that after replacing into the game without reading anything but the last page or two. I see so much scumhunting here...

Netherspite · Post Post #872 (isolation #79) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:51 am

In post 866, Call of the Wild wrote:
Why is it so hard for you to ISO us honestly? Anyone is more than capable of looking at our D1 and D2 posting and see that this is a lie. Keep it up. If makes you look like scum.

I've already ISOed you.
I never lied in my posts.
However it's funny how you keep convincing yourself that I'm scum despite the fact you're voting me already.

In post 867, Call of the Wild wrote:Funny how Vezok is supporting you for this considering he was all over the FB lynch. Must be cuz you are kissing his ass and calling him confirmed town like I would do as well as scum with a claimed vig in the game.

Disagreeing with someone does not make them scum.

In post 869, Call of the Wild wrote:If two scum die, Vezok is autolynch

Wait what? Why?

In post 870, vezokpiraka wrote:This is just dumb and if you were town you would have realised this a long time ago.

Yeah exactly. Any sane town already realized that.

Netherspite · Post Post #874 (isolation #80) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:15 am

@Call of the Wild

I've posted my reads.
What else you want to know?

You aren't pushing for

vezokpiraka

lynch, yet you're 'not subtly' claiming he's not town.
This does not make sense.

Netherspite · Post Post #898 (isolation #81) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:48 pm

Titus

, your case is so awesome. It should convince everyone that you're scum.
Let me explain that pbp.

In post 885, Call of the Wild wrote:
1) He claimed VT ever since his first or second post of the game. The job of a VT is to soak up night kills. It's not to claim VT right away.

Nah, I didn't.

In post 885, Call of the Wild wrote:2) He uses his anti-town play as a shield, acting like scum wouldn't have access to the VT claim despite not being a noob.

Where did I play anti-town?
And again, I didn't claim VT (well, except after the

BRantz

's flip).

In post 885, Call of the Wild wrote:3) Argues to let third party live despite being aware of the SC2 site meta which is lynch all third parties.

We're not playing in SC2Mafia atm. The problem with your survhunting was that he CLAIMED Survivor. There was absolutely nothing useful in trying to hunt him. It's like killing someone who came to you, laid down his weapon and raised his hands. You decided to lynch him instead of working on finding the real scum with the town. Prolly because you didn't want to find yourself or your buddy?

In post 885, Call of the Wild wrote:4) Nethersprite's ISO is full of consensus arguments and buddying. Nether scumreads ABR, no one bites, ABR is town. Vezok is scum. Vezok claims vig. Vezok is town. Inte wagon weakens. Nether pushes us who happens to be suggested a lot.

I had a reason to change my read on

Albert B. Rampage

. I'll explain it later.

Vezokpiraka

is conftown until we'll have a CC or all the three scum will be dead. However, I doubt there is another scum just because Mod's first post says there is only ONE scumteam in the game.

In post 885, Call of the Wild wrote:5) Nether was attempted to be pushed as town by Shiro.

You really think

Shiro

is that stupid to push his scumbuddy as town?
I'd rather expect him to ignore his scumbuddy like he did to your slot.

In post 892, Call of the Wild wrote:Yes, I do. Brantz flipped Ghoul. Noether's claiming the same flavor and role. There isn't an army of people upset with Nether for claiming the same flavor as a dead guy.

And here is major manipulation that would be enough for me to vote you even without all the other arguments:
you list events NOT in the order they happened.

First

I claimed a flavor.

Second

BRantz flipped a Ghoul.
Not vice versa.
I DID NOT claim VT D1 despite you're trying to turn it that way.
And the only reason for you to try and turn it that way is because you want to mislynch me for catching you.

===

Your case is full of shit. Manipulations and misrepping. Dragging here SC2Mafia meta which has nothing to do with this game.

Netherspite · Post Post #900 (isolation #82) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:56 pm

In post 899, Call of the Wild wrote:Nether, Your case is we helped lynch FB, something that most everyone else did too and the reasons were given repeatedly so you are beating a dead horse with that shit. That is not scum motivated in the least and it is laughable you continue to push that garbage. It is a straight up lie that we did no scumhunting considering anyone that reads us after we replace in up until now can see that isn't true. It's BS. A simple ISO will show that.

A simple ISO will indeed show that you didn't do much D1. The result of all your 'efforts' in scumhunting was voting someone you didn't have to determine alignment of.

In post 899, Call of the Wild wrote:We were barely in the game with Shiro so that's WIFOM at best. It is much more reliable to look at Shiro's reads and interactions which we spent considerable time doing and you saying we are scum because he didn't talk to us very much is majorly weak.

Your slot was in the game since its' beginning. Your argument is invalid.

In post 899, Call of the Wild wrote:This Vezo shit is another really, really weak argument that Titus explained a lot better than I did. There is nothing scum motivated in that at all and it's laughable again that you would say so.

I still don't see why you keep insisting that he can be SK if in your own words it'll obvious he is if all the three scum will die. Why focusing attention on him at all?

In post 899, Call of the Wild wrote:As far as the VT/ghoul stuff, you tried to pass yourself off as confirmed town for that so you are darn right we are going to call that out as the BS it is.

I didn't try, I confirmed myself as town by saying something only VTs knew in the beginning of the game. It's obvious scum didn't know the VT's flavor.
The most interesting thing about the Ghoul/VT stuff is a major manipulation

Titus

attempted in #892 as I pointed out in #898.

In post 899, Call of the Wild wrote:Now, I for one, am not going to argue with you on trivial matters. You have yet to come up with a point against us that has any merit. Because there isn't one to be had because you are chasing town.

Yes please stop arguing against the obvious fact that you're scum.

In post 899, Call of the Wild wrote:It's a sad pathetic attempt that is easily shown to be the BS it is. You only moved onto us when you saw others suggesting us as a possibility today when you were on inte before that. Did you suddenly decide inte was town or is he your buddy and you needed an excuse to move off the wagon?

I've chosen

terrible

moment to vote you if I am just going with the consensus like you're saying.

inte

was very well lynchable today and he'd be lynched if I kept insisting on that. You on the other hand by no means are an easy wagon and I'm under the fire right now because of voting you. I knew that in advance but I still believe that you're scum so I just went for it despite the risk.

Netherspite · Post Post #904 (isolation #83) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:33 pm

Defending your scumbuddy or whiteknighting does not really show much scumhunting.
Quote me a single example from D1 that's showing how you actually

tried to find scum

.

Your predecessor being ignored is actually not a misrep or w/e. It's the truth. And it's relevant because

Shiro

didn't seem like ignoring the lurkers besides your predecessor,

inte

and

The Silver Bard

. Here is how he reacted to other lurkers: #107, #248.

I don't need to fabricate anything because you're scummy enough without any fabrication.

PEdit:

No, I do not townread him.
I just consider you scummier.

Netherspite · Post Post #906 (isolation #84) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:37 pm

In post 905, Call of the Wild wrote:Name one major thing that happened to cause you to move to us when you were voting the inte wagon.

Easy.
I ISOed you and ISOed

Shiro

to look for the mentions of your wagon.
That was enough for me.

inte

does not look towny, but he is not as scummy as you are.

Netherspite · Post Post #908 (isolation #85) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:47 pm

I don't have a serious case on

inte

.
After the

Shiro

's flip, I decided that he wouldn't push his scumbuddy because even if he would manage to get incredible towncred for bussing his partners he would still lose if they would be lynched.
So I've excluded those who he was pushing D1 from the list and only a few scummy people remained in the list.

inte

was most scummy of them because:

Shiro
ignored him like you;
inte
's overall posting style didn't look towny;
inte
spent almost the whole D1 speculating about the flavor and pushing the Survivor without any real scumhunting;
inte
attempted to use the fact he voted
Shiro
in the beginning of D1 to defend himself while it was obvious scum didn't know who is the Traitor (or even that there is a Traitor).

As you can see, you are much scummier than he is.

Netherspite · Post Post #910 (isolation #86) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:07 pm

Common words, no spefic things.
You didn't answer btw.

In post 904, Netherspite wrote:Quote me a single example from D1 that's showing how you actually
tried to find scum
.

Netherspite · Post Post #913 (isolation #87) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:29 pm

So the correct townplay is to keep pushing more weak scumread over more strong scumread?
That's something new in Mafia.

You keep refusing to directly answer:

show me an example of your scumhunting D1

. A single example. Is it that hard?

Netherspite · Post Post #916 (isolation #88) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:40 am

@Call of the Wild

Yeah the correct townplay is to lynch scum and I'm attempting to lynch someone who is most likely to flip scum in my opinion.

In post 914, Call of the Wild wrote:You should die today.

If you'll manage to mislynch me I'll have a good time tomorrow watching what excuses you will make.

Netherspite · Post Post #918 (isolation #89) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:18 am

Yeah I'm a bit tired of fighting the windmills.
Lets see what others will say.

Netherspite · Post Post #928 (isolation #90) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:56 am

In post 927, Call of the Wild wrote:A push on us would involve stating things are scummy that are true. He's just said we're scum for voting him (scum).

A huge misrep here.
Just because you do not agree with my opinion it does not mean it's not true.
You can sort any case against you like this - claim that everything besides one point is false and then call that one point OMGUS.

Netherspite · Post Post #929 (isolation #91) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:58 am

In post 926, Call of the Wild wrote:Playing the victim isn't doing anything Shinobi. He's not pushing us but claiming we're big bad evil scum for calling him out.

Where in #850 you see that I call you scum for "calling me out"? Besides that, you didn't call me out because there's nothing to call me out on.

Netherspite · Post Post #964 (isolation #92) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:35 pm

In post 963, The Silver Bard wrote:Lynching CotW is bad.

Lynch should be Nether>Shinobi>inte.

You forgot to mention that it's from the scum PoV.

Netherspite · Post Post #976 (isolation #93) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:47 am

Haha now they'll subtly push

Albert B. Rampage

.
Who else you'll call scum for catching you?

Netherspite · Post Post #978 (isolation #94) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:20 am

I consider it survivalistic attitude to look for the motives of people pushing you instead of looking for scummy things people do.
Right now I see you attempting to prepare yourself multiple further mislynch targets you can pursue if you'll manage to mislynch me.

Netherspite · Post Post #985 (isolation #95) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:10 am

Nice backpedaling on scumreading

Albert B. Rampage

once pointed out.
He is town yes.
You are not.

Netherspite · Post Post #997 (isolation #96) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:15 am

@Performer

I never said they're 3p scum?

Netherspite · Post Post #1015 (isolation #97) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:59 am

@Anatole Kuragin

Welcome!

Netherspite · Post Post #1019 (isolation #98) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:44 am

I won't answer to that.

Netherspite · Post Post #1023 (isolation #99) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:09 am

In post 1022, The Silver Bard wrote:I love how none of you who have voted me, or who have said they think I might be scum have mentioned any reasons. Closest thing to a reason is Vedith having a gutfeeling.

There were reasons.

Netherspite · Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:56 am

@Titus

Do you claim a PR?

Netherspite · Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:00 am

In post 1031, Performer wrote:@Net who were you talking about in your 854 about 3p scum?...

Call of the Wild

were insisting that

vezokpiraka

can be SK instead of Vig.
SK is a 3p scum.

Netherspite · Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:26 pm

1. If

Call of the Wild

are the real VC (and they claim so) the role would rather suit the scum than the town (why on earth town would need this role?)
Inability to claim a NAMED role as a PR supports this guess as well.
I rather think they're a SCUM PR and their role indeed has a NAME they don't want to share just because it'll out them as scum.
Also their target choice... If they knew the VTs are Ghouls,

Albert B. Rampage

's Burning Legion claim made them thinking he's a PR so they checked him. This makes so much more sense if they're a scum PR.

2. Initially I thought every VT has its own flavor.

Albert B. Rampage

said he's sided with Burning Legion but I didn't really think it's a PR claim before the second Ghoul flip. I thought Burning Legion could very well have their own VT flavors (Imps, Doomguards, etc.)
After

Albert B. Rampage

posted his list of 'possible scum' and 'conftowns' and asked who would vote someone from the scumlist I guessed he's a PR and checked back the game start in the light of the flips and this post. After that I realized he's definitely a PR (considering his Burning Legion claim and that VTs are Ghouls) and started trusting him.

3. When I crumbed a Ghoul I thought I'm just crumbing

unique town flavor

in this game because it was said in the first Mod post that Scourge is this game town and I decided that crumbing a zombie-type character is making it obvious you're town.
In no way I was going to crumb a VT.

4.

Call of the Wild

thinks that scum have a fake claim because... they are scum and they are Ghoul Cop. Obviously their role suggests that VTs are Ghouls. So they have a nice example of a scum knowing that VTs = Ghouls in themselves. Based on that they are pushing me. They could attempt something else but they are insisting exactly on this. This makes sense if they are really Scum Ghoul Cop.

5. Their latest posts suggest they're sure

The Silver Bard

will flip town. They could also have other plan though or are just plain bussing.

===

We should hang

Call of the Wild

today. They're obvscum at this point.
Hang them and I can assure you they'll flip scum.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:56 am

In post 1169, Call of the Wild wrote:Right cuz as scum we'd go after a VT.

You decided to confirm

Albert B. Rampage

being the real PR instead of wasting NK on him and targeted another player who you thought could be a PR as well (no, idk why you thought he could be a PR).
This night you're going to kill him.

For the today's mislynch you went for me because you thought I'll be an easy target (and I would be if we wouldn't have smart town players like

vezokpiraka

and

Albert B. Rampage

who seen through your lies, because I'm not really an experienced player who could convince town myself).

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:08 am

Guys just read carefully through #1168.
The puzzle is solved, all pieces match. There is no way

Call of the Wild

can be town considering all of this.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:34 am

Your flip will make me look incredibly towny. I'm okay with that.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:35 am

^ This was to

Call of the Wild

.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:09 am

In post 1189, Call of the Wild wrote:If I was scum and all town PRs were "named", then I'd have a named PM as well. I don't.

You're saying it like we can check if you do.
Obviously you won't want to tell us your name because it will out you as being anti-Scourge and anti-Burning Legion lore-wise.

In post 1191, Call of the Wild wrote:
If Nether isn't actually a godfather, then scum need me lynched/removed today just in case I decide to be dumb.

Your nice attempt to find scum motivation behind my push on you is faulty: I started pushing you

before

you claimed Ghoul Cop.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:14 am

I honestly don't understand why we still lack votes on the obvscum.

In #1168 I've explained it.

On what planet all of those can be possible:
1. Town having a single PR without a name while all the other PRs have names (it's not a Role-Madness, I think all PRs are already claimed they have a name).
2. Town have a GHOUL COP as a PR who can detect only Ghouls in a setup where the scum has a Godfather who is IMMUNE to detection. Seriously!? What is the purpose of it?
3. Said town Ghoul Cop decides to check a PR suspect for being a Ghoul instead of their main scum suspect?!

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:17 am

Aaand if we see how everything above matches another theory:
1. Scum having a Ghoul Cop that is both providing them a valid fake claim and lets them to hunt PRs;
2. Said scum Ghoul Cop does not want to claim their lore name because it'll out them as anti-Scourge and anti-Burning Legion.
3. Said scum Ghoul Cop checks a PR suspect at night.
4. Said scum KNOWS that scum has a valid fake Ghoul claim and pushes a town who crumbed a Ghoul using it as an argument.
What looks more logical?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:18 am

In post 1196, Call of the Wild wrote:885 trumps bullshit. Sorry Nether.

Also Nether a crypt lord is an undead unit that manages the same building ghouls come from. Any name I'd make up (if I felt like doing research) would fit the right side.

I pushed you before you pushed me. I was obvious town prior to pushing you. Only after I agree to vote scum does anyone push me.

You seem to think that all our PRs have claimed? Based on what? The only way to know that is if you have some idea on what scum has. I don't.

We have 3 town PR claims BESIDES you.
Do you really think town has more? This is another argument for you being a SCUM PR btw.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:20 am

In post 1198, Call of the Wild wrote:Nether, there's zero reason to check you.

1) Scum only crumb VT. You crumbed VT.
2) If you're scum, you're confident enough to pass a check. Checking you is a waste.

Either way, a check on you is stupid. Unless you were stupid scum.

1. I never crumbed VT ffs. How many more times you need to hear that to finally understand?
2. We're talking about N1 check when you didn't know whether I'm confident I'll pass a check or not.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:21 am

In post 1200, Call of the Wild wrote:
You're scum because you claimed VT.
You knew that ghouls were VT because you were provided said fakeclaim.
The mod said things are inconsistent with wording.

That's more logical than the mountains of assumptions you're pushing forth.

I didn't claim VT D1.
I didn't know that ghouls were VT but you did because you're a scum Ghoul Cop. You KNOW that scum has a valid fake claim because YOU ARE scum and YOU know it.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:23 am

In post 1201, Call of the Wild wrote:
ABR hasn't claimed his role.
Antole isn't confirmed town. He's confirmed not groupscum and moronic lynch.
I'm town.
You're allegedly a ghoul.

Did I forget something?

Yeah. You did.
ABR is a claimed town named PR.
Anatole is a claimed town named PR.
Vezokpiraka is a claimed town PR (he didn't say he has a name but I assume he has).
I am a Ghoul.
You are scum PR.

In post 1203, Call of the Wild wrote:1. You crumbed Ghoul which only could ever be a VT.
2. *eyeroll* I'm not going in circles on this again.

The only one who knew that D1 was you because you're a scum Ghoul Cop.
2. Thank god.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:24 am

Ah, sorry. So, we have 2 claimed town named PRs.
I still believe all the town PRs are named based on that.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:28 am

@Anatole Kuragin

The only person who doubted you being a 3p was

Call of the Wild

.
I don't think we have any killing 3p.

@Call of the Wild

Check my Open games and see that I'm not a very good town player. I got mislynched pretty often because my thought process is unusual for MS.
Besides that, again, I NEVER CLAIMED VT D1.
The only player who knew I'm claiming VT was scum Ghoul Cop (you) and I didn't know it nor any townie did.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:29 am

@Call of the Wild

You're being focused on fake claims provided by the Mod too much.
May be because it's the only argument you have against me? (Funny enough, that argument is actually against you despite you believe the opposite).

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:30 am

In post 1213, Call of the Wild wrote:#1205 - Well we're in agreement that scum likely knew Ghoul = VT.
We're in agreement you crumbed VT.
We're in agreement crumbing VT is scummy.

You're not going to convince me you're town nether.

I don't need to convince scum I'm town.
Scum already knows that.

We're in agreement that scum likely knew Ghoul = VT because your role fits scum the best and Ghoul Cop obviously knew Ghoul is VT.
We're in agreement I crumbed VT

from the scum Ghoul Cop PoV

.
You however seem to be purposedly ignoring that I didn't knew that I'm crumbing VT at the moment I did.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:32 am

In post 1215, Call of the Wild wrote:
Any townie with a ghoul PM knew you were crumbing Ghoul. Thus crumbing VT. Ghoul doesn't match as anything else flavorwise.

I didn't know that every VT has a Ghoul flavor.
I thought every VT has a different flavor.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:33 am

@Call of the Wild

Wait, are you now saying that Mod didn't give scum a Ghoul fake claim now?
You said the opposite couple of posts ago.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:36 am

@Call of the Wild

Hey, I have a deal for you. Lets rather lynch you.
If you'll flip town I'll vote myself and convince town doing so. However you won't flip town so I won't have to fulfill that promise playing against my wincon.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:37 am

Archimonde claim makes sense for the Vig.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:39 am

Town should just vote

Call of the Wild

and we'll celebrate the scum flip in just a few hours.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:48 am

In post 1246, Call of the Wild wrote:Shiro's ISO tells you all you need to know.

1) Shiro has to try and get her buddies to endgame.
2) She's not likely to make MAJOR pushes on her buddies.
3) She never pushed inte/Nether.
4) She pushed FAQ2 (who we've defended), ABR (who we defended), Performer (who we defended) and Us (Gale)
5) She pushed Nether and FAQ2 as town but FAq2 as town was only after her scumslip argument was proven bad.

Thus, FAq2 ABr and Performer all likely town. Gag ABR but keep him alive until lylo.

Oh really? Where did

Shiro

push your slot?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:48 am

In post 1251, Call of the Wild wrote:
In post 1244, Vedith wrote:
In post 1219, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I wish Cotw's predecessor never replaced out because cotw is so annoying, antitown and selfish.

That's the Titus head, at it's prime...

I'm only annoying to people who refuse logic.
I'm not anti-town.
Being smart isn't selfish.

There's a difference between being cooperative and a doormat.

Titus, if you're town I'll be really disappointed.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:51 am

In post 1258, Titus wrote:
You should be. You claimed scum and I can't get you lynched. That's my failing.

I never claimed scum.
But you did everything to convince me you are scum.
I really hope you're scum. In that case your behavior will be understandable.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:52 am

In post 1263, Anatole Kuragin wrote:nevermind, it does say that along with kil'jaeden I am the leader

Well the real leader is actually Sargeras but he's probably not in this game.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:54 am

In post 1269, inte wrote:idc if ur pushing my lynch or not

fact is ur pushing shit logic and basically yelling over everyone else

Who are you talking to?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:56 am

@Titus

Now you're outright lying as you've replaced

not Gale Wind Srock

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:59 am

In post 1279, Titus wrote:
1) Nether crumbed VT early on. Nether claims he crumbed Ghoul only. Ghoul can only be a VT though.
Nether didn't know that though.

2) Nether has basically sheeped anything else with a pulse
except us, he pushed us when we weren't a popular wagon
.
3) When I try to work with the rest of the town to lynch Nether, highlighting Nether's play, I'm suddenly wagoned.
4) When I was merely suspecting Nether, I wasn't a suspect at all.
5) Nether has put in cases full of
lies

truth
on us.
6)
We haven't
scumhunted but just tried to spam out
him
and say
he's lying
.

Fixed that for you.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:00 am

In post 1280, Titus wrote:
I made a mistake there. Guilty.

Or you just intentionally lied to support your defense.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:01 am

In post 1281, Vedith wrote:
In post 1278, Anatole Kuragin wrote:She claimed to be a cop that could see if a slot was a VT or not

I've been busy so I missed a few pages, do we know who she checked?

She checked

Albert B. Rampage

because she suspected him as a PR.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:07 am

I don't honestly know what else town needs to realize that

Titus

is scum.
I've posted countless reasons for that.
Her being scum makes much more sense than a

town Ghoul Cop WITHOUT a name who's ONLY power is to detect town PRs and probably 1 scum who's checking possible town PR instead of her suspect

.
It's just unbelievable someone can even consider her claims are true.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:08 am

In post 1296, Titus wrote:
I'm presuming so.

I checked ABR because we never get along and he never trusts me. He slipped not ghoul when we first started talking today. So my check cannot have independent verification as he slipped it.

Do anyone sane really believe that

MAFIA GOON

who is

ANTI-Scourge

can show

Ghoul

to a Cop?!

Albert B. Rampage

slipped not "not Ghoul", he slipped

Burning Legion

who is known to be town.
What did you want to check here? Him being a real PR to kill him?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:13 am

@Vedith

My #1168 has detailed explanation on what was happening and why did I crumb a Ghoul. It has number of reasons to consider

Titus

scum.
After that I've posted 2 theories.
First is if we believe

Titus

- #1195;
Second is if we believe me - #1197.
Pick the one you feel sounds more logical.

I've also summarized inconsistences in her claims in #1301 and #1304.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:21 am

In post 1319, Titus wrote:Nether crumbed VT. Only scum crumb VT.

Repeating 50th time: I didn't crumb VT.

In post 1319, Titus wrote:The rest is him having better charisma than me.

Are you fkin' serious? May be that's the reason I've got mislynched in 2 of my 3 non-newbie games?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:21 am

In post 1321, Vedith wrote:
In post 365, Shiro wrote:
Vote Gale

Lets all keep in mind how weak this vote was...
And then focus went else where.

She lied on this one.
She didn't replace

Gale

.
She did replace

shadowezz

.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:24 am

In post 1328, Titus wrote:
I made a mistake, which I owned. So many replacements. Hence why when I do my VCA, I sub out all the playernames for the current holder. Replacements can be hard to keep track of.

Yeah, I can believe you on this one.
However, it would be a nice 'mistake' to support your defense if no1 would notice that. Just sayin'.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:26 am

In post 1334, Titus wrote:
In post 1331, Netherspite wrote:
In post 1328, Titus wrote:
I made a mistake, which I owned. So many replacements. Hence why when I do my VCA, I sub out all the playernames for the current holder. Replacements can be hard to keep track of.

Yeah, I can believe you on this one.
However, it would be a nice 'mistake' to support your defense if no1 would notice that. Just sayin'.

It is convienent. I'll admit that. *shrug* I have no problem admitting bad facts. They just *gasp* must be fact.

You're scum not because of that.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:29 am

@Albert B. Rampage

Titus

is obvscum.

The Silver Bard

is not. I can see him being scum with

Titus

but I can't be sure in that as I am sure in

Titus

.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:31 am

In post 1344, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Follow the town, Nether. You made good arguments. Let's leave this up to tomorrow to finish. Enough energy has been spent already.

Tomorrow there won't be you to help me lynching

Titus

.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:32 am

I'm not buddying anyone.
I just consider you conftown for now and you do have enough towncred to push the lynch. I don't.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:39 am

@Anatole Kuragin

It means I'm not going to consider him being scum for at least the current Day phase. Likely the next one as well.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:46 am

In post 1354, Titus wrote:Nether's just buddying ABR but trying to leave a hatch open to discredit ABR.

Misrepping me here.
Something huge should happen for me to doubt my townread on him.
I believe I'll be the last one who'll be convinced he's not town.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:04 am

I didn't disappear.
I am just refusing to vote possible scum over obvscum.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:18 am

If it will be close to deadline and town will keep being stubborn and refusing to see the obvious I'll hammer.
I won't do it before that.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:30 pm

@Albert B. Rampage

Why

The Silver Bard

over

Titus

?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:38 pm

A believable claim.
Here is another reason to hang

Titus

today instead.
As you can see,

The Silver Bard

has a named role as well...

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:42 pm

Just checked it out, Sylvanas had a Silence ability in WC3.
However, at the moment she was controlled by the player she was freed from the Scourge.
So I'm not quite sure she should be a town character.

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:46 pm

@Albert B. Rampage

Considering your flavor name, do you think Sylvanas fits the list of town PRs or not?

Netherspite · Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:39 pm

Screw that.
I rather think Sylvanas is a town role here.
I'll hammer.

VOTE: The Silver Bard

Titus

is still scum btw.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:25 am

I am literally smashed by the night results.

Titus

, I am shocked.
The more interesting question is who shot her, Vig or scum.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:26 am

Oh, and

Albert B. Rampage

, you're much smarter than I am for lynching

The Silver Bard

instead of

Titus

.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:50 am

In post 1391, FA_Q2 wrote:
I dont like the hammer one bit. Something about that last post is not sitting right.

I thought the claim is true but wasn't sure whether Sylvanas should be pro-town or anti-town in this game.
Decided the latter (there was a mistake in the hammer post btw) and hammered just because I couldn't wait more to see the truth.
Well, I was wrong in the part that the claim wasn't real.
But I was right with the hammer itself.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:32 pm

On the other hand, they obviously do not have a Ghoul fake claim.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:12 pm

In post 1401, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 1395, Netherspite wrote:On the other hand, they obviously do not have a Ghoul fake claim.

based on?

Because Cenarius had a Sylvanas fake claim (a named fake claim) I highly doubt other scum has a Ghoul fake claim (an unnamed fake claim).

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:38 pm

Read his role PM and tell me where you see a Ghoul fake claim.
Your logic is worse than mine, you look for an excuse to jump on my wagon because you know it'll be an easy one.

VOTE: FA_Q2

Btw, killing

Titus

would be a stupid move if I were scum but w/e.
I think we can afford a mislynch on me since there's only 1 scum left. So go ahead if you wish.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:10 pm

Where exactly did they get that fake claim then?..
God, after this game I'm kind of losing my faith in humanity.
How people can ignore the obvious things for so long time? Yeah I was wrong about

Titus

's alignment. But it's only because she fake claimed as a VT. I was right that she's fakeclaiming. I was right that her role did not make sense for town.
Screw that, just go ahead and mislynch me, I'm tired of fighting the windmills. I'm doing that for too long. It's just simply annoying.
You still believe that scum has fake Ghoul claims despite there were a couple of facts proving the opposite.

Netherspite · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:11 pm

Well, you have like 99% trust from me at this point.
VOTE: Vedith

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:14 am

In post 1411, Vedith wrote:Nope.
I'm not claiming to someone with such a stupid vote. XD
Considering I was first to vote Bard, and I was open to vote them all day even when no focus was on them.
Who had resistence to it? Nether and Inte.

1 thing I have learnt on this site, respect Titus reads when she is town.
And Nether saying why would he kill her? Because people won't buy it obviously... It's standard fucking scum. XD

Now, for people saying only 1 scum left, I highly doubt that unless we have a SK as well.

Well, according to role PMs of

Shiro

and

The Silver Bard

, there is only 1 scum left unless there is another scum team and the Mod explicitly said that there is only one scum team.
SK can be not considered a "team" though, in this case SK is possible.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:40 am

I was sure about

Titus

and not sure about

The Silver Bard

.
I was wrong. Prolly because

Titus

did her best to look as scummy as possible (she faked a PR actually but I didn't believe her and was right on this part).

Albert B. Rampage

, however, was right and I'll sheep him for today.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:47 am

In post 1415, Vedith wrote:She did a 10/10 job as VT... She took the scum night kill.
As I said, when she is town, she knows what she is looking at and is a lot better to listen to than not.

I thought so, it is not the case this time though.
Well, I'm not going to defend myself anyway, I never do, it's pointless. If you think I can be scum despite crumbing a flavor only town knew about on the first game pages... I can't stop you from making this mistake.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:51 am

In my opinion they were looking scummy the whole game.
But after failing that much both D1 and D2 I don't value my opinion high.

Albert B. Rampage

really looks like he knows what he's doing and I'm going to trust him.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:51 am

EBWOP: they =>

inte

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:55 am

I understand that and I would scumread myself as well if there wouldn't be that Ghoul RP because other than this part I look terribly atm.
There is logical explanation for my actions but it looks less probable than me being scum. I realize that.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:57 am

How does he know?

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:58 am

I thought he's Vig?

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:59 am

Ah, you mean you're some kind of Neighborizer or smth?

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:04 am

That's too many PRs for 3 scum in 13 player game...

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:00 am

The case is solid.
It actually made me very sad that I didn't see all of this. Is it lack of experience or I'm just not made for Mafia? Well, that's better to hold until post-game.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:22 am

@Vedith

If you're so sure I'm scum why don't just let us lynch you and NK me?
We'll win anyway.
Why the order of the kills matters for you so much?

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:31 am

Well, for me there are 2 players that I would consider being scum: you and

inte

. Even if you will flip town and I'll be NKed, there still will be time for the town to solve this.
I don't mind betting my life on this, I didn't do anything useful the whole game anyway.
And yeah, I seem to be extremely bad performing as town in every non-newbie game, I get mislynched all the time

Only reason for that I can see is my thought process being significantly different from the other players. They expect me to do things town usually does on MS and I don't do them. They mark me as scum and mislynch. Idk, may be it takes to get used to MS to start acting like people expect you to.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:32 am

He's a roleblocker obviously.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:32 am

What makes me not liking it is why would he roleblock a Vig and not me? If he thought I'm scum...

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:34 am

Yeah, prevent a Vig kill instead of preventing a scum kill.
Good idea.
Like really.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:35 am

However, it would be weird if both scum have a roleblock...

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:39 am

Well I'll then have to thank

Vedith

for letting me live 1 more day!

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:35 pm

Well this may work. I'd still not trust

Vedith

though as blocking a confVig just because he's going to shoot you is kind of ... anti-town play.
But w/e.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:50 pm

I find it weird as well.
So this is less likely than other options but still can't be sure he's not scum.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:57 pm

Bulletproof bodyguard?... Ain't it too powerful?
Also it's an excuse on why you won't die at night despite being 'powerful town player'.
I'd like the town to consider the possibility of

Albert B. Rampage

being scum when you'll see my flip.

Netherspite · Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:29 pm

In post 1501, shos wrote:Aaaaargh ill never get a pagetop vcccc

Sorry, I took many of your pagetops

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:53 am

In post 1504, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 1500, Netherspite wrote:Bulletproof bodyguard?... Ain't it too powerful?
Also it's an excuse on why you won't die at night despite being 'powerful town player'.
I'd like the town to consider the possibility of
Albert B. Rampage
being scum when you'll see my flip.

Is it just going to be a ghoul?

Yeah.
I'm always VT.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:17 am

I do not expect surviving this day that's why I'm sharing even crazy thoughts.
Yeah he lynched

The Silver Bard

. It could be a bus gambit to gain huge towncred, couldn't it? Just sayin', anyway.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:42 am

What I'm trying to say is you shouldn't give

Albert B. Rampage

a free pass.
I consider his claimed PR not really likely. Bulletproof BG. It's both too powerful for the town AND provides a nice excuse for why such useful PR wasn't and will not be NKed.

The Silver Bard

's lynch could be a bussing gambit.
If it will be a LyLo and he'll be still alive consider him being a scum as likely as any other player still alive. Don't blindly trust him.
Before LyLo though I don't think it's good idea to question his alignment.

Others...

Shinobi

seems to be off radar for now and this bothers be. I think he should be the next lynch candidate tomorrow...

Vedith

is likely to be scum, however double scum roleblocker is unlikely...

Performer

seems to be completely off radar. Yeah

Shiro

pushed him but it does not mean he's conftown. Just less likely to be scum. And his activity is terrible.

FA_Q2

bothers me... I can see him being scum.

inte

is just too scummy to be scum. Played even weaker than I did (if that's even possible). Lurking most of the time. Still can be scum.

Anatole Kuragin

is most likely the most confirmed town here as I highly doubt there's an SK in the game. And even if there is, I think scum will kill him this night anyway.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:43 am

I know I don't deserve it but please town win this game and don't further reduce my winrate from 75%

Good luck.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:44 am

Ah, forgot to mention: Cenarius was bullet-proof.

Albert B. Rampage

claims to be bullet-proof as well. I think it's not just a coincidence.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:48 am

In post 1515, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1512, Netherspite wrote:Vedith is likely to be scum, however double scum roleblocker is unlikely...

?

Cenarius is a roleblocker;

Anatole Kuragin

confirmed

Vedith

as a roleblocker. It's unlikely both scummies are roleblockers.
Other than that, your theory on

Vedith

is very believable.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:48 am

In post 1516, Shinobi wrote:
Intent to hammer.

I believe he already claimed but I'm letting you all know I'm gonna do this pretty soon.

Just do it

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:50 am

It is my fate on MS to always draw a VT and always be mislynched (the latter is valid for non-newbie games only) =/

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:05 pm

And if scum won't shoot you? Until LyLo.

Netherspite · Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:28 pm

In post 1522, Albert B. Rampage wrote:drop the hammer I want to see if we win

Regardless of your alignment, no. Sorry.

Netherspite · Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:46 am

Nice song, Mod!

===

What are we waiting for really?
If everyone agrees that I'm the scummiest person here then just go ahead and lynch me and proceed to the next day without the mislynchbait clogging the game.

Netherspite · Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:19 pm

The problem is I don't really have a case. I was expecting game to end after

Titus

's death. I was wrong.
The most scummy person for me atm is

Shinobi

.
I'll go through his ISO to see if I can make a case or if this scummy feeling about him is wrong.

Netherspite · Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:37 am

Actually I forgot it's there.
I thought I'll get lynched soon so didn't unvote earlier.
UNVOTE:

Btw, still on my re-read through some of players.

Netherspite · Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:29 am

Did the Vig get roleblocked again?

Netherspite · Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:52 am

So... both

Shinobi

and

Gale Wind Srock

were unambiguosly pushed by either

Shiro

or

The Silver Bard

.
It does not make sense for me that they're scum.
It leaves us with 3 claimed PRs one of whom is lying...

Anatole Kuragin

is semi-proven Vig. Lack of Vig kills N2 and N3 however makes me slightly doubting his claim. Could he be a scum with a single extra NK ?

vezokpiraka

didn't know that

Shiro

is the Traitor so he could shoot him even if he's scum.
I find that unlikely though.

Vedith

is semi-confirmed Roleblocker and it wouldn't make sense for the scum to have 2 roleblockers...
If

Vedith

would be lying about roleblocking

Anatole Kuragin

, he wouldn't confirm that because he has no reason to (unless he's a SK?)
If

Anatole Kuragin

would be lying about shooting anyone N2 then

Vedith

would have no reason to lie and thus would be 100% roleblocker.
So both of them can't lie (unless

Anatole Kuragin

is the SK). And thus it's most likely they both are town.

Albert B. Rampage

on the other hand seems to have too powerful role for the town. Especially if we have a Vig in the same setup. Like undying killing squad? Does not make sense.
However... If for some reason

Vedith

is a second scum roleblocker such setup may be would work.

First of all I think it's important to know who

Anatole Kuragin

attempted to attack and who

Vedith

roleblocked.
After all we may have a roleblocked scum as a reason there was only 1 NK.

Netherspite · Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:31 am

I'd say we lynch me and NK ABR.
If he's really night-immune BG he'll survive.
If he's not - lynch him next day.

The only flaw in this scheme is ABR being night-immune scum (what a funny setup for the Vig though that would be...)

Netherspite · Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:32 am

I meant if he's not - he'll die lol.

Netherspite · Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:41 am

But you're night-immune, aren't you?
Also, why shooting Shinobi if we can just roleblock him?

Netherspite · Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:42 am

Lynch me, Shoot ABR, Roleblock Shinobi.
If we assume that Anatole & Vedith are town (and it's highly unlikely they aren't) this is autowin.