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Plotinus · Post Post #2456 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:00 pm

What a warm welcome

Plotinus · Post Post #2457 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:21 pm

I'm not good at setup spec stuff.

Why does dav jailing hippy clear dav? Why can't dav do more than one thing in a night? I've been following this game loosely and had ISOed a few people before I replaced in. massive is clear because ank, right? I agree hippy is clear if dav jailed him.

can someone explain stuff to me in simple english?

i'm gonna make coffee and try to wake up.

Plotinus · Post Post #2459 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:51 pm

oh, okay. thanks for explaining that. setup spec is like a foreign language to me. i just can't approach a game that way at all yet.

I'd already pretty much cleared hiplop through my own analysis. I feel kind of silly having done all that work if there's literally only one person it could be.

Spoiler: pistachi0n's iso

Spoiler: vedith's iso

The intersection of these two made hiplop look like the most likely partner but hiplop's own ISO disproved that:

Spoiler: cataphant

VOTE: Nacho

Plotinus · Post Post #2460 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:31 am

So, translating

Pistachi0n's

interactions with Nacho into words first:

Her first mention of Nacho's slot is in ==687 where she posts a readslist. This was back when Nacho was The Bulge. She writes "Where are you????? Why hasn't he been prodded, he hasn't posted in over a week." This is a bit over the top.

Next mention is after Nacho replaced in =908.

Vedith

had asked her why she was scumreading me instead of The Bulge and she said I was underwhelming and because The Bulge only had a few posts before he was replaced.

That's all she says about me on day 1.

On day 2, she votes nacho kind of out of nowhere in v1237. Notably she isn't voting her counterwagon, cataphant, at this time, even though the votes against them are tied. She claimed that his reasons for voting

LyingCat

were suspect. She may have been bussing here to look good for VCA purposes in the future (it's clear she was already hoping to be cleared on "not voting her counterwagon") and it kind of reminds me of wgeurts' inexplicable massive tunnel in our last game together.

She tries to get Nacho to engage with the thread in =1261.

She asks massive a meaningless filler question about nacho in =1281.

She ISOs nacho in -1348 but her post doesn't really make sense. She claims to have been townreading him during his catchup but this is the first we're hearing about it. She lists some really basic things as being good or bad, such as not explaining why he doesn't like somebody's posts (bad) or following up with more examples (Good). She lists a bunch of things about him that aren't really scumtells? I think newer players tend to do that to their more experienced partners; they know they're scum so they see little things that aren't really a big deal and assign scum motivation to them, whereas if they'd just leave it alone town wouldn't pick up on them or would recognise them as being null.

Her next mention is in -1350 where she's ISOing cataphant and she says she can understand why people are voting cataphant but still thinks nacho is a better target. I think she knows she's probably going down today and knows that an aborted bus is scummy so she's doubling down on her scumread on her buddy for the "why would she do that" wifom.

She pushes nacho some more for reserving his spot on the

LyingCat

wagon in -1380.

-1449 is an interesting post from the perspective that they're both scum. Nacho points out that the

LyingCat

wagon had 3 votes on it and Pistachi0n also had 3 votes on it at the time. He asks her why he didn't vote her instead and asks her what the scum motivation for voting

Lying Cat

instead of

pistachi0n

is. In hindsight this was a pretty cheeky thing to say and I approve of it.

Pistachi0n's response is that perhaps

LyingCat

was more of a threat to Nacho which was true regardless of Pistachi0n's alignment.

Her last mention of Nacho is in -1451 where she's suddenly waffling a bit in response ot Vedith bussing her. She's probably worried about taking Nacho down after her.

Plotinus · Post Post #2461 (isolation #4) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:41 am

Can we unvote me though while we talk this through because I've only been mislynched once before and I like being able to say that I've only been mislynched once in 11 games. I know we pretty much have this won but getting mislynched in 8.3% of my town games makes me feel like less of a VI than getting mislynched in 16.7% of my towngames.

Plotinus · Post Post #2462 (isolation #5) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:08 am

Vedith's

interactions with Nacho:

Vedith's

first (and only day 1) mention of Nacho is in -?747 where he wants to know why she's scumreading me and not nacho.

His next mention is in +1231 where he's wanting to know why

Concrete Angels

think all the scum are in {

pistachi0n

, cataphant, nacho,

thor

}. He wants to know why {Nacho/

Thor

} and why not {

Ank

, Me}. He wants to add two town to the mislynch pool and remove his stronger buddy from it.

He wants to talk with them more about Nacho/

Thor

especially +1233. Even if I didn't already know the answer I'd think this was unlikely to be an all town list.

Vedith

is taking the opposite approach in +1270 that

Pistachi0n

takes towards Nacho which is something that i see a lot that one person will scumread their buddy and the other will hard townread them. His towncase for Nacho isn't that compelling because Nacho is more than capable of doing those thiings as scum

And then out of nowhere, just four posts later, he positions himself to go back on that Nacho read if he needs to. What? -1274

A few pages later nacho is no longer town but is instead "not scum" ==1330.

In =1389 he's surprised that Nacho didn't know he was jailed. He probably doesn't want to give away that he knows Nacho didn't do the kill that night.

He defends Nacho against pistachi0n in +1392.

He's hard townreading Nacho in +1450 and doesn't understand why nacho has as many votes as

Pistachi0n

and Cataphant. I can imagine the scumteam was pretty worried with having two members tied in the vote counts. He hastily votes the scumbuddy he'd mind losing the least.

His last day 2 mention of Nacho is in =1453 where he replies to nacho saying that he thinks pistachi0n and cataphant are both scum. This is in reply to Nacho being upset that Vedith voted pistachi0n instead of Cataphant.

That's where I had stopped with doing numbers on Vedith's ISO because I get the most out of comparing when all the scumteam are alive, but I'll keep going and look for how he interacts with his buddy now that they're down to two.

+1601 asks

Thor

to remind him why Nacho is being voted.

He's against the Nacho wagon in +1631 which makes sense since

Vedith

was less likely to win as last surviving scum than Nacho.

In +1634 he says that other people have been anti town, not nacho which is pretty lame because if anti town always meant scum then mafia would be a lot easier than it is.

In +1764 he says that the Nacho wagon is bad and the

Thor

wagon is good. He can't make a compelling towncase for nacho, though.

He busses Nacho in -v1834 but I'm not really sure why. Something about claims that i don't understand.

Wants clarification from nacho about his role in =1893.

He's satisfied with nacho's answer because he unvotes Nacho in u+1901 and votes for no lynch instead.

He corrects nacho about whether hiplop has claimed or not in =2038.

Nacho asks him what he's saying and he replies in =2134 that he's not lying.

He maintains until the end that +2194 Nacho is a mislynch.

I'm going to make lunch and then read Nacho/The Bulge.

Plotinus · Post Post #2466 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:45 am

good game. <3

I did miss that killing ank cleared davsto; setup spec is hard.

am okay with PT being released. I tryharded a little during the night phase. Made a pretty chart.

Nacho, why can't I ever drawn town against you?

Plotinus · Post Post #2467 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:45 am

I was townreading my own slot before I replaced in so I can lament both my town and scum games at once!

Plotinus · Post Post #2469 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:55 am

it's okay, it happens! congrats on the win everyone. you guys did well.

Plotinus · Post Post #2482 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:38 pm

I knew the claims; I'm just not very good at understanding role interactions, and I didn't know that we couldn't action and kill in the same night; for me it was irrelevant because my action was a commute (so it was obvious that i couldn't kill and action in the same night), my commute didn't work with my son dead so I was effectively a goon, and I've never played a game where last surviving scum couldn't do both in a night. I've played where you couldn't do both if you had a teammate alive, though.)

I did almost kill massive but I think I thought he was being watched or i thought that ankamius might watched have farside on the night before or I forget why, maybe just I thought a watcher who could change his target was more dangerous than a watcher who couldn't. oh well.

I tried! I am not sure whether I could have won this even if I'd understood the setup spec stuff but it would have been enough of a victory if I could have convinced you guys to take me off L-1 before nacho woke up.

But I'm glad it wasn't dragged out for an extra day phase.

Town deserved this win, I think.

Plotinus · Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:01 pm

Thanks for modding, Anti!