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[pistachi0n]

Cataphant voted farside in RVS. Their next post was a real vote on Hecatia in 86 for "weirdly aggressive questioning." Changed to Vedith in 153[post] after other people had already started that wagon because he was posting elsewhere. Shared opinions, played game, etc, voted me in [post]579 because I look like second option scum that gets passed over. Then voted LC in 1034 because of the weird claim he did. Then went back to me, and then back to LC. Which seemed like an unsure town player trying to figure out alignments. I can see why people are voting Cat because of sheeping and weak pushes, but I think Nacho is still a better target.

[farside22]

holy crap where did that come from.

vote: Nacho

[Ankamius]

Okay, step one: can someone quote for me their points on Pistachi0n?

Besides not really scum hunting. Asking pointless questions and just actively lurking.

No I'm thinking that's all I got.

thx~

[Ankamius]

VOTE: pistachio

Will look through Wingback's ISO tomorrow and see if maybe he caught onto something which resulted in his death. He was doing a lot but I reckon there's a good chance there are other motives behind his death.

...what?

[Ankamius]

So out of my scum reads of Cataphant, Pistachio and Ank two are voting for the others.

Yeah I can see a bussing technique going on here.

Why anka?

Because of his day 1. I still don't like the way he just tried to buddy around and agree any where. Most people seem to have ignored that part though.

You're tunneling.

Reassess.

[Ankamius]

Scratch 1354.

[Ankamius]

DICKS DICKS DICKS DICKS SUCKS

Nice

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Now say something

useful

, because I'm not just gonna let you get away with fluff.

look at this guy

[Ankamius]

He's been a strong voice so had enough power to remain mostly unscathed, but upon reflection (especially with wingback flipping town) shows that a lot of what he was saying was BS.

How does Wingback flipping town make what I say look more like BS than it already did or didn't?
That doesn't appear to make any sense at all.

Why did you object to that instead of him thinking what you're saying is BS in general?

[Ankamius]

it's already obvious there is bussing going on here somewhere. if pist is scum so is cat.

What about the gamestate is giving you this impression?

[Ankamius]

People who are townreading Nacho: why?

Can you quote your points on Nacho being scum?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Davsto

[Vedith]

VOTE: Davsto

Ummm, you know that he claimed JK, right?
Or are you voting him just because he's voting you?

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto

Ummm, you know that he claimed JK, right?
Or are you voting him just because he's voting you?

I'm not even voting him.

But this move is townie. I don't feel scum would have the balls to vote someone that most of the town considers confirmed.

[Vedith]

Okay, so lets hear his case he has on you...

I don't see someone trying to stir the pot as towny personally, but as you wish.

[massive]

At this rate, I'm more likely to follow Ank than I am Davsto.

[Thor665]

holy crap where did that come from.

So basically Pistach posts up a few half finished and vague thoughts and suddenly is towny enough not only to unvote, but to half sheep?

He's been a strong voice so had enough power to remain mostly unscathed, but upon reflection (especially with wingback flipping town) shows that a lot of what he was saying was BS.

How does Wingback flipping town make what I say look more like BS than it already did or didn't?
That doesn't appear to make any sense at all.

Why did you object to that instead of him thinking what you're saying is BS in general?

This is an incredibly empty question that appears to be for the sake of asking questions.

I asked about the one, because him thinking my opinions are BS is a debate of opinion, and serves no purpose.
Him thinking that somehow Wingback flipping town says something about my alignment is a conclusion which (theoretically) he ought to be able to back up to prove he is scumhunting as opposed to just spouting gak.
I asked about the point that would actually allow me to scumhunt him, as opposed to debating the merits of my towniness and trying to make him look stupid.
Felt this was pretty obvious really.

I am curious to see where this goes, as my expectation is 'nowhere at all'.
Prove me wrong, please.

[Thor665]

So basically Pistach posts up a few half finished and vague thoughts and suddenly is towny enough not only to unvote, but to half sheep?

I mean, if I thought Pisyach was active lurking and not providing valid scumhunting - there is nothing in those few posts to even come close to changing my mind.
And if it did - why the hell can I not get you to discuss Cataphant as a valid vote?

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Nachomomma

I looked through the iso, think he had the most suspect reason for voting Lying Cat. He responded to a few of Lying Cat's statements but never directly stated why he was scummy. and he stopped talking after placing the LC vote.

I thought that a Lying Cat vote was good because I agreed with the assertion that he hadn't done much but scumhunt Thor in a way that didn't make much sense and I agreed that scum!Jingle would think that tying himself up with Thor would be a good strategy to skate past a couple of days. I've skimmed your case in the small bit of reading that I have managed to do, but i your reason for finding me scum really "he didn't explain one of his votes"? You notice that I don't tend to explain my votes immediately on making them and you've been fine with all of the explanations thus far, so why is me not getting the chance to explain one of my votes scummy?

I recommend you all look at the very end of the day yesterday, and while my recollection was that everyone was debating between pistachio and lying cat, thor was basically only going one side of that story with NO explanation. I think he did the IC thing where he put his ass on the line a bit to keep his buddy safe. He used the fear of deadline to push people into going onto Lying cat. He's been a strong voice so had enough power to remain mostly unscathed, but upon reflection (especially with wingback flipping town) shows that a lot of what he was saying was BS.

I think pistachio has to go today.

I don't find this explanation to be at all accurate, but maybe my memory isn't what it used to be.

DICKS DICKS DICKS DICKS SUCKS

Nice

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Now say something

useful

, because I'm not just gonna let you get away with fluff.

...what?
I made that post because I didn't have time to read and catch up on the thread.
Do you really think that a player making one fluff post is worthy of a vote?

[Davsto]

DICKS DICKS DICKS DICKS SUCKS

Nice

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Now say something

useful

, because I'm not just gonna let you get away with fluff.

...what?
I made that post because I didn't have time to read and catch up on the thread.
Do you really think that a player making one fluff post is worthy of a vote?

It was more an expression of frustration than a proper vote.

[Nachomamma8]

^ posts like this? Using fear tactics to get them lynched. Other folks had reasonable stances like "we'll get them if they can't confirm themselves", and you went gung ho the whole time. Saying you "confirmed" they can't prove it.

A town player would see this and react to give them a chance. A scum player who's buddy is the alternative would go gung ho for the original one. Good play in the moment, but it got you caught.

His argument was that LC actually wouldn't be able to confirm himself, which is correct. He said that he really didn't understand the Pishtachi0n and that he would still support LC instead. How is that using "fear tactics"? Also saying that town gives LC a chance to prove himself there 100% is just blatantly false, there's no reason that Thor had to believe LC saying he could confirm himself (it's not like he had claimed a definite way to confirm alignment and being able to confirm role in't the most compelling thing in the world).

it's already obvious there is bussing going on here somewhere. if pist is scum so is cat.

Nacho is being really quiet about this and that is where I'm still leaning on as far as bussing goes.

I'm being quiet because I haven't been around - it's not like you haven't seen me lurk as town before.

What's not to understand?
He was the most popular of the choices you offered - so clearly there was support there.
You sat around reading up.
A push started on LC, who probably had more support than Cat.
You leaped onto the LC wagon without ever really pushing the Cat one.

Why does that confuse you to the gamestate today?

I misjudged the momentum while I was reading.

Nacho - I assume that you were aware?

That I was jailed? No.

[Nachomamma8]

It was more an expression of frustration than a proper vote.

You haven't really made the steps to make a proper vote yet.
Why?

[Nachomamma8]

So why the defensive posturing here? If you have CA as a null, why immediately jump to accuse them of discrediting you?

How should townies respond to being discredited by a townread?

This is a different answer than "rarely." "Rarely" says "I never have an idea what Nacho is, town or scum." This says "I usually have an idea what Nacho is, but then I turn out to be wrong." This doesn't say "it's all null with him," which is what your earlier post said.

Why is this difference significant?

I don't like your recent posting because it feel like you're nitpicking pretty hard - what do you think of Cataphant? What do you think of Vedith?

[Davsto]

It was more an expression of frustration than a proper vote.

You haven't really made the steps to make a proper vote yet.
Why?

VOTE: pistachi0n hmm

look at this proper vote I haven't made

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Cataphant

I still want to vote here today. I don't like the "Thor was pushing fear tactics to get an LC wagon through" argument as a reason for voting Pistach today. I don't like how he made the argument that Wingback flipping town made Thor's arguments look more like bullshit and then didn't explain himself when Thor asked, And part of me was a little unsteady in making this vote because I remembered him making a push I sincerely disliked in Butterfly Mafia but I got events mixed up - he flipped scum, it wasn't the person he was pushing.

I still want to lynch massive despite the pseudo-innocent on him. I haven't like his angles lately and all and have trouble imagining those angles from town actually trying to find scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Cataphant

I still want to vote here today. I don't like the "Thor was pushing fear tactics to get an LC wagon through" argument as a reason for voting Pistach today. I don't like how he made the argument that Wingback flipping town made Thor's arguments look more like bullshit and then didn't explain himself when Thor asked, And part of me was a little unsteady in making this vote because I remembered him making a push I sincerely disliked in Butterfly Mafia but I got events mixed up - he flipped scum, it wasn't the person he was pushing.

I still want to lynch massive despite the pseudo-innocent on him. I haven't like his angles lately and all and have trouble imagining those angles from town actually trying to find scum.