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In post 1281, Spiffeh wrote:I went to Middle World w/ Toog and Egg
Dead Staeg and camnsuki were there too
Shit went down
Well? Are you going to talk about it? Cause you've kinda been hovering around the thread and not really doing much which makes me edgy as hell about you. All game.-
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In post 1317, Spiffeh wrote:I'm thinking Ushiro/hito actually
This thought occurred to me at some point recently. Hito's post where he reconsidered me and voted Staeg didn't feel entirely right.-
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In post 1320, copper223 wrote:Brian and Ushiro both have claimed there is a "journey blocker", is that you AP?
I received an 'item' for lack of a better term last night which I can use to prevent someone from acting during twilight. Whoever it is used on gets to use it the next night. So someone used it on me. I'm not a blocker of any sort, I'm a VT as far as I can tell. Assuming there actually are VTs in this setup.-
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In post 1325, Brian Skies wrote:While I think the second ritual failed because scum found their way on, it's still likely we failed the first ritual because we had a fox on the drumset.
You aren't going to take this opportunity to throw doubt on Copper?-
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In post 1343, Spiffeh wrote:How do people feel about massclaim?
Also AP any thoughts on what happened in Middle World since you were so curious?
I'm ambivalent about massclaim. normally I'd be all for it in a game at this point, but I don't think this setup is going to make much more sense with claims.
I'm highly confused about what is claimed in the QT. My first instinct is "the mod is just trolling" but I really have no idea what is going on after reading the story. Someone impersonating Egg is odd if they don't know where he went, but I guess that is ultimately pointless. As long as we don't know who is pulling the strings there, the potential answers are wide.
Middle: toog, Spiffeh, (guest appearances by fake camntsuki and egg?)
Didn't Journey: Egg
Blocked: AP (tried to go up), Brian
so Hito, UA, Copper, TTH were ??? Not middle I guess.
You guys know there is a little star next to your name in QT if you are logged in, right? So you can kind of tell if someone is real or not based on their account. But thats probably not the best discussion topic atm.-
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In post 1273, Fate wrote:All That I Know-Sky: UshiromiyaAnge (2/2),
All That I Think-Air: Brian Skies (2/2)
All That I Do-Fire: copper223 (2/2)
All That I Feel-Water: AngryPidgeon (2/2)
All That I Am-Earth: Spiffeh (2/2)
I'm pretty sad we didn't get Toog on here.
Toog was pushing me, Brian, and Copper being town. Doesn't mean we all are, and I think there probably is scum on this list. Not on: TTH, Hito, Egg.
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I've still got a lot of conflicting thoughts.
The Brian/copper interactions make me a little nervous. I don't quite understand what happened yesterday but I guess it really doesn't make sense for them to do that as both scum. Toog's death points to these being town as well although I'm still paranoid about it.
Spiffeh is probably telling the truth about the QT and I'm guessing its either random mod trolling or scum have a role that can influence QT behavior or something indirectly. Knowing Fate, it could be most anything.
I maybe should be concerned that both Brian and egg are alive when they've been sort of softclaiming a bunch. Not really too interesting though.
Spiffeh and TTH.. put it past her to be able to fake some of this emotion.
p-edit @Egg: No, I can use it next night. It was used on me last night.
Right now I'm kind of looking at the hito/tth/spiffeh group. Hito and TTH were both off the last ritual though, so they seem unlikely to be a team here.-
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hitogoroshi wrote:In post 1271, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 1269, Spiffeh wrote:And her absence doesn't make me too comfortable.
I kind of can't help when I'm on. It's a little sporadic, but that's how it has to be, so phooey to you.
Spiffeh wrote:I don't really like how she was so "positive" that Yakko would flip town, it looks like an attempt to gain towncred.
Yes, I've cared about getting towncred this whole time. Isn't it evident?
Keeping with that,
VOTE: Staeg
let's keep our focus kids this was TTH essentially claiming scum to cash out the Staeg wagon, especially given that UA was her prime suspect and the L-1 vote.
Vote: TellTaleHeart(I think this is the L-2 vote)
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I'm becoming apathetic about the ritual since I don't know what it accomplishes and we seem prone to failing them anyways.
I wonder if its just a mechanic that allows for soft investigates in the form of 'it passes or it fails'.
Its enough to make one wonder if no lynching is actually an optimal strategy. Not that I'd support no lynching at this point, full steam ahead.-
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I think I'm fine with voting TTH today. My biggest hangup on voting TTH is that she was off both of the rituals and they both failed without her. The first ritual failed because Camntsuki and Egg were on it (supposedly). I guess its not an unreasonable assumption that scum didn't make it onto that ritual even though they likely would have wanted to be on. The second ritual, from my perspective, failed due to scum being on it. UA, Brian, Copper, Spiffeh. This isn't very telling since Hito, TTH, Egg were off. If my assumptions are correct, then lynching On is still a better play but in reality its likely a choose one from Column A and one from Column B scenario. The one concrete takeaway I have is Hito and TTH are not scum together due to both being off the last ritual. That makes me less inclined to vote them right now.
I reread some Brian posts and Brian is town. A voice in my head tells me that he feels a bit different than I'm accustomed to, but some of his posts like 998 are solidly town. I don't believe scum-Brian kills Toogeloo last night, regardless of who his buddy is. I'll be impressed if this ends up being Brian's scum game.
I want to reread some more people in ISO later this week. My personal life has calmed down a bit so I'll make time to do that shortly.-
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In post 1370, TellTaleHeart wrote:
That makes me sad but I guess do what you feel like you have to. I still feel like UA is scum, and them fading into the background after Day 1 reinforces that but I don't have any hope of anybody listening to me today.
Bah. I'm going to reread. Its responses like this that make me not want to vote you. I still think a lot of your posts have sounded genuine and that is a large reason why Im voting Spiffeh.-
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Egg still looks town. Minor paranoia about the softing. I've mostly seen town-egg in the past. He did fool me once as a SK for most of a game until I kind of PoE'd him out a little. I was a waffly mess that game. I don't think Egg is scum here though, I think hes calm. I recall his scum behavior looking a bit more guilty. Needing to interact with people, but kind of following rather than probing. I think this is town-egg.
I should have a better grasp on Espeonage. I remember disliking a lot of his content. The bit where he voted for Nacho over Yakko in particular. Copper talked about that at length yesterday and I do sympathize with his point that Espeonage's logical progression does make sense. Its not too hard to see where he was directing his attention in ISO. Voting for Nacho and FoSing Yakko is a pretty bold move to make as scum in that situation, honestly. Maybe I am basing this opinion on a lack of respect for his scumgame, but I don't feel too shameful in doing that.
Brian and Copper are reads that I really want to just commit to. Toogeloo calling them town and dying fits the narrative. I don't see why either of them would go for a wifom play in that scenario when there are other decent kills (egg, hito?). Toog was going to defend them. Toog getting shot also suggests someone thought he was softing PR results or otherwise informed. So. That isn't concrete stuff, I'll admit, but a fair number of Brian and Copper posts look town to me on top of that.
Spiffeh is sort of becoming a PoE suspect due to being on the failing 2nd ritual and mostly coasting through the game. I don't mean that as a dig on him or his playstyle, I mean that I think hes probably just scum here.-
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In post 1395, Egg wrote:AP, I know you said it's not something you'd actually support but what made you think of the no lynch thing? Like what benefit did you initially think there might be?
I had to think about this for a second since I'd forgotten mentioning that.
The ritual might not actually -do- anything. It might just be a soft investigate in that it tells town if there is mafia on it or not. Obviously there are other convoluting factors so I don't recommend attempting to game this mechanic. Its possible that the ritual is a strong soft-investigate mechanic though and we could have played the game by "following-the-cop" and using the ritual as an investigative thing. The presence of 'animals' makes that tricky though and I dont have definitive proof that this plan would even work.-
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In post 1395, Egg wrote:By this logic, lynching off would be better because it's a higher chance to hit scum (33%). Although I don't see any reason to assume one on one of.
I assume that there is [1-2] scum on the ritual and [0-1] off because it failed. That is concrete. I am hazarding a guess that we're looking at a 1-1 scenario rather than a 2-0, but that is based on a feeling I have and nothing more. So I'd prefer to lynch on since I can guarantee scum on there (imo) rather than off, but what you are saying makes sense.
Egg, Brian, and TTH are all town.
My top lynches today are Spiffeh and Hito. I'm still entirely 100% completely and unstoppably baffled by anyone townreading Spiffeh. For "not giving too many fucks" or "crazy line about PT". It makes me wonder if I'm wrong and hes being whiteknighted or some shit, but I don't really think I am. I think people are just underestimating his scum game.-
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In post 1379, copper223 wrote:I noted that Brian said AP being wishy-washy is sometimes a scumtell for him,
Where did this happen? I have a hard time believe Brian would believe that at all.
This game is kinda dead. Egg looks really town on the last couple pages. Hito's soft might be town, still thinking about it. Still ok with current vote.
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In post 1400, Egg wrote:I dunno, AP. Spiff's stuff about the middle world doesn't seem faked
I don't think it was either. I don't doubt that it happened, but I'm not sure drawing any conclusions from something we can't even see is a good idea.-
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In post 1250, Brian Skies wrote:But the first things that come to mind when I think of AP are waffled reads and a scumread on me.
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In post 1429, Egg wrote:Spiff and AP, would you rather have a claimed animal on the ritual or scum?
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Neither? I'm starting to think the ritual is just a soft investigate mechanic . I'd definitely avoid putting animals on it at this point.-
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In post 1433, Egg wrote:If you accept that two scum remain, TTH's role doesn't change it.
8 players- 2 scum = 6 town
If you accept Hito and myself as town,
6 town - 2 power animals = 4 shaman
There are 5 shaman slots on the ritual. 4 isn't enough.
Someone speculated that there may be Mafia Shaman in the game. That actually makes a fair amount of sense to me. Who all is a claimed shaman at this point? I'm losing track and I apologize for that. I know Brian and I are. I think Copper, Spiffeh, and UA are as well? TTH, you and Hito have claimed animals at this point. If you are town and the claims are all accurate then that would make TTH and Hito scum since otherwise its impossible to pass the mission. It is possible that the ritual is 100% guaranteed to fail but we still get to attempt it anyways. It might give motivation for scum to target Shaman rather than Power Animals in order to reach that state.
That is my objective thoughts on this right now. Let me context switch and talk about speculation. You are unquestionably town. Town enough that I'd follow you to mordor and back. You, TTH, and Hito have claimed power animal. If both Hito and TTH are scum, then we have 5 town Shaman and 2 scum fakeclaiming power animal. This is where the theory about Mafia Shaman feels right. If there is one alive then we could still pass the ritual by getting them on it and they could be reluctant to help. That would mean that one of Hito/TTH is lying about being an animal and there is likely someone on the ritual who is scum and lying about being a shaman.
So I am prepared to vote Hito with you and never look back. I actually kind of think its Hito +spiff/UA after typing this all out.-
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Seriously shame on all of you if we lynch TTh today. I could have done a better job of defending her earlier and I'm certainly no paragon of townplay this game.
Brian and Copper get your fucking shit together. You are both pretty clearly town. Toogeloo dying suggests it and both of you are just transparently town anyways.
Spiffeh I still have some reservations about due to his general disconnectedness with the game and his opinions on Staeg/Yakko. My gut is currently leaning towards a Hito/UA team though as much as I don't want to have to be responsible for pushing cases on those two.
Really though as long as we never lynch Egg, TTH, Brian and Copper we win. Of those I have the most paranoia about Copper but really its not there. Its just we win if we make some good fucking lynches today. Good lynches being people outside of that group.
VOTE: Hito
Lets actually lynch Hito instead of letting him troll through the game with all that red oozing out of his posts. Fucks sake guys.-
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In post 1450, Brian Skies wrote:Would anyone like to confirm me for the ritual?
No. Because scum are on it and its going to fail.
Unless you want to lynch Hito with me, then I'll do it I guess but it still wont matter.-
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In post 1509, Brian Skies wrote:I thought AP had the peace pipe.
The thing that lets me twilight block someone?
Or if you are referring to my bubbler yes I have that as well just not at work with me.
I haven't read since my last posts but only cause I dont want to be disappointed by the mislynching of TTH that is still going to take place. I saw that there was an extension. Its not too late to lynch someone other than town.-
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ooookkk.
I need a divine sign. Also I'm going to be semi-VLA for the next week. Flying to a friend's wedding tomorrow night. I'll still be around though.
I was in the middle world last night. Toog was there and adamant about account security. I think he wanted to lynch TTH, but I'll check later.
p-edit: oh splendid VOTE: Ushira-
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In post 1544, Spiffeh wrote:Because I doubt she has a one shot cop if I was given one randomly during the night.
Can you explain in more detail? You have no idea why you got this 1xritual/cop ability but you randomly got it during twilight?
I'll read TTH's claim again in a bit.-
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In post 1560, Egg wrote:I did. i was telling you what was going on in the Middle World. with toog. and about hito. and we each picked one of beach, mountain, and forest. are you telling me you had a different qt than me too?
what on earth.
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Im also pretty ambivalent about being on the ritual. If anyone wants on, then sure. If we are trying to get townies on it then Spiffeh and IDK. I could I guess Im just ambivalent, leaning towards apathy.-
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In post 1576, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
I honestly hope you're scum, because god you're a moron if you're town.
yeah mb, sheeping a cop guilty when in the phase before mylo is such a bad play.-
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In post 1607, Spiffeh wrote:So how's everyone's day going?
Going to see Deadpool with my guy later tonight! work is taking 5ever to end though.-
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In post 1623, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:Look at it. "For the record I'd definitely have come up with a better plan!"
Who the fuck tries to justify themselves TO A FUCKING COP GUILTY
uhhh?
Ya, I would not trade 1 for 1 right now as scum. Not when there are TOTALLY mislynchable people in the game. Like TTH.-
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In post 1710, Brian Skies wrote:In post 1691, copper223 wrote:AP, Brian, Spiffeh, does one of you also claim to have a specific role in their tribe?
No.
No? Im vanilla if thats what you mean. And my flavor doesnt indicate anything interesting about elements or whatever-
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In post 1633, hitogoroshi wrote:Middle world kids, who had verified stars in your QT(s) last night?
Me, Spiffeh, toog, and Fate which is everyone there.-
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In post 1636, hitogoroshi wrote:AP, you answered no to this one. Did you ever go into more detail as to why you said no that I just missed? If not, could you provide some?
I'm pretty sure my opinion on the ritual has been discussed ad nauseum, but:
I originally had no reason to think I should be on the ritual. My role is about as vanilla as it gets, flavor and all except for the QT thing during twilight. When egg said that the ritual is obvious I assumed that there was something in his role to indicate he is attuned with fire/water or whatever and that my role didn't have it. Now it has come out that Egg was mistaken. I am a plain Shaman and I believe that Id help most rituals succeed since they take "shaman" and not "animals" but also who knows.-
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In post 1647, copper223 wrote:I used ayahuasca on TTH yesterday, that's a 1-shot NK protection ability so UA's bullet-proof claim makes me slightly uncomfortable, if UA is scum then their most likely partner is Hito.
Cool copper is still town. Im not sure why you'd protect TTH given the circumstances, but to each his own.
In post 1654, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:It's possible Spiffeh is scum, shot us last night, thought "oh hey, bulletproof=SK" and claimed a guilty on us
And you are calling ME dumb. Ya Im sure scum think there is an SK in a game with an average of < 1 kill / night.
In post 1664, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:Up until this point, we are the reason why all the rituals have failed. This is because we are the Fool, who acts in a backwards manner. Any ritual we are on automatically fails, no matter what else occurs on it.
In addition, we are bulletproof.
We win with the town, with a caveat. In order to win, we must fail 3 rituals.
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In post 1682, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:Like did ANYONE ELSE RESEARCH THEIR ROLENAME OR ANYTHING?
No because my rolename isnt a fake claim.-
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In post 1687, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:Up until this point, we were a survivor.
Ya you sure played like a survivor on Day 1-
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In post 1691, copper223 wrote:AP, Brian, Spiffeh, does one of you also claim to have a specific role in their tribe?
I am a Qero Medicine Man and my role implies that I may get abilities during the game maybe. Its very light on details.-
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In post 1699, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:NOT ON THE RITUAL: YAKKO, SPIFFEH, ANGRYPIDGEON
That's right you useless fucks, you couldn't even get one of you on the ritual.
Oh boy.
fake p-edit: Wait I thought your narrative was that I was scum in the post I just quoted?
Who gives a shit, you've claimed to be playing to a mafia wincon. Also what you are saying can't be true. If you know who scum are then all you have to do is claim it and then get lynched to win with town. so I guess you are just "speculating" who is scum. But whatever. I dont see how lynching anyone but UA is the proper play right now.-
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In post 1722, Brian Skies wrote:I think scum is in TTH/Egg (been leaning towards Egg recently).
I might be willing to budge on that read. But right now the only things on the agenda are
1) wait for TTH to claim a result or something
2) lynch claimed scum-
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In post 1725, Brian Skies wrote:AP, you get Water. Please volunteer.
I'm only doing this because I love you.
volunteer: water-
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In post 1747, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:And yet we'll flip town, AP.
Doesn't it sting you fucked up that badly?
If I were scum I would be downright giddy about all this, especially if I had a buddy still in the game.-
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3 + traitor is a lot of scum considering we haven't had much town power going around. I think a 1-shot doc and 2 1-shot cops have been claimed? Egg has some bullshit for an ability and everything else seems to hinge on the ritual maybe. But the ritual is super hard to pass with such a high concentration of scum.-
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