Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

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who goes when?

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Xk, nadia,
cakez, fire, pw,
pk, co, dwe

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@nadhia

we could, but if we wait too long we wont be able to solve anything.

here we have a chance to talk and setup spec.

Flavor too?

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Every night, but neighborhood tops out at 3 people counting me

i thought you claimed 2shot?

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vca alone is awful

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Double voter

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@nadia

enablers only work if what they enable is used often enough to be powerful/important

dwelee is maybe that way?



@cakez

so pw is scum for a case?

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the bg part.

its a weak role, but flavor too

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I guess he ate bombs and was going to fight a fire dragon naked

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wat are the powers called?

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wat are the powers called?

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well piss.

my role powers say that I may do flavor and that makes a mechanic

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Ill explain after.


xk, he will. presumably after we all do?
Do you suspect him?

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gdi do you have serious concrns about sensei? You think he wasnt the rolecop or w.e?

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gotta admit it seems like a point of principle

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noes

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was talking to nadhia


Im talon

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not a dv

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Im a noncon flavorcop and 1s doc

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dwelee is the shopkeeper dude

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he didnt lie sensei?

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we arent doing that.

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but muh powahs

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xk did you claim?

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ohhh.

big ole owl dude. he has a name

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probs fire/cake/maybe nadi.


Im really not sure about dwlee

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Pisskop, how much information do you get on your results?

I get the name of a power and their time period.

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like if they show up more for kid link or adult link

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serious? Nowai

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Tell us about your reads instead of pushing whatever avenue you think will help make you look better.

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Okay. Talk about how all over the place youve been.

You tried advocating lynching an unlynchable, you fingered Sircakez as a main scumread and now he isnt even in your lynch pool, and youve laregly left xk alone today

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{pisskop, Phoenix Wright}
{Sensei, Dwlee99}
{Xkfyu}
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for instance

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you what pisskop?

Right.

^^ My power specificly mention lonlon milk as the reason I can doc

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So when you claim to not have flavor in your powers I dont get it.

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yea we really need them to come on in.

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unless you were alluding to something else with this?

Its inconsistencies Im looking for.

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lol. relax

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Ari's abilities all had flavor. Mine are just mechanical descriptions. That was the difference I was noting at the time.

Most players did.

I guess mirhawk didnt per se.

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xk's ability is essentially a 1 shot cop that requires his target to be alive for most the game to work. And him.

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Thats a really wifomy scum fakeclaim.

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do you have one?

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Why do you think beeboy has soft claimed a powerful role, but hasn't hard claimed yet?

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Kinda beyond giving a fuck tbh.

Beeboy's inconsistencies around his claim doesn't bother you at all?

Not an inconsistent claim, by the way

Do you have issues following conversations?

The inconsistent claim was beeboy's claim, which turned out to be just really poorly worded in two different ways. Once he explained it properly, it cleared up the inconsistency, and I was satisfied. None of what you just quoted there had anything to do with beeboy.

Actually yea, it looks like he had been scumreading beeboy all game for his softing, so when he claimed he could just progress onto that.
I dont see any crumbing or such.

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I thought it was 3?

1 to target and 2 to get a link and then the reveal?

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I have a two-night process that will reveal my target's alignment.

During the first night, I create a telepathic link with my target. During the second night, if my target is still alive, I get to reveal their alignment. If my target dies at any time during the process, then the link is broken, and I have to start a new link during the following night.

I targeted PW, and he is town.

dah.

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What did you expect me to do?

You didnt have any suspicions of him? You spent the majority of day 2 waflling over him

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Like I dont get it. The part that had you finally convinced to vote was that he didnt use the cop when he had the chance

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What did you expect me to do?

You didnt have any suspicions of him? You spent the majority of day 2 waflling over him

You can't be serious.

Sorry Im sure I worded that wrong.

You didnt drop any crumbs?

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That's why it would be a fakeclaim and not his actual role <.<

Im not getting your need to push on me.

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pisskop I think you need to give your full results on dwlee.

This

You understand that dwlee already claimed his role name, right?

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Yea role power.

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I'm the man from bazaar and my ability is called replenish. I hinted at it earlier somewhere asking titus/shiro if they were one-shot.

See, you not using information from the whole game is why I distrust you. Youre using the already set up vca from titus and just adding oddball things to it

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vote: cakez

Id rather have this happen than xk

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oh, and kid link, if that matters

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Right, and all youve concluded from it is that despite it suggesting I am not scum, Im still scum

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Isnt it almost a right to get a fakeclaim? Unless flavor is not alignment indicative?

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Right, and all youve concluded from it is that despite it suggesting I am not scum, Im still scum

Where did I say it suggested you weren't scum?

Nonono, where did you say it did suggest I was scum.

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no wait i guess he had some votes but he wasn't at L-1 i don't think? maybe im just wrong. i still think Dwlee is actually town tho.

I dont think its as cut and dry as that.

We dont have confirmation that he is a refiller.
He claimed nonconsecutive but then claimed to be blocked.
Despite being blocked, he could use it the next day. The wiki says he shouldnt be able to.

Hes done precious little today, and I cant remember any strong position he has taken.

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y?

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Are you stupid or something?

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Whatever the flavor is hes mechanically a refiller

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We dont know if he can actually perform his ability every day like he has claimed to or anything else it might do

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Im not sure how you are making the assumption that replenish means 'refiller' when the triforce of wisdom was used as a watcher power and royal guards were a rolecop

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Yea no. Youre making a lot of assumptions.

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You understand that dwlee already claimed his role name, right?

Considering its not the first time nor the first game Ive done this Im not sure how this is anything but a push of oppurtunity

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Thats his claim. So where are you getting the idea that hes confirmed?

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pisskop i'm trying to hear you out. are you saying he could be a scum refiller or are you saying his flavor could be a different ability altogether?

We arent doing this. He claimed refiller, I confirmed he has a power called replenish

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How could we make the assumption? We have had a scum zelda and 2 neighborizors and all variations of cops claimed

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Have you?


Fire didnt? And cakez didnt

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Actually a lot of people I scumread havent.


Anywho, I rather liked nadhia's approach to that.

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thats fine, except yea, theres still a roleblocker.

I thinks its better that I target one of the unclaimed people if its that improtant nobody else claim their role powers

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I guess you could flavor cop firebringer?

That precludes his lynch tho

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Sacred alliance: Your team has factional night communication, along with your other abilities.

Why were we assuming that scum knew senseis role?

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Sacred alliance: Yo

Not according to beeboys flip

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the fuck?

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50%

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but like 80% if daytalk

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fuck rc

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i wasnt going to say anything so I could pretend to doc whomever I targeted but I did doc cookies on N1

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i did both n1

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i cant imagine somebody using an anytime vig at night when it can be stopped/blocked

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wow.

Still rather have cakez to xk.


xk, self preservation tells me to hammer

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wholly cows the ninjas

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well no xk.survivalism says to join me on cakez.

survivalism is a poor justification. when does my survivalism start as the counter?

what about cakrz?

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cakez is just sxummy irrespective of role

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xk

i have intent.

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i dont get why bussing is where you guys go. distancing is the better play, especially when doubt crept in

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most roles are at least duplicate, with a health smattering of unusual/borderline useless abilities

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we believe a jailer/blocker exists. zelda was a rolrecop/selfwatcher.

selfwatcher is fairly useless here becauseits 1shot and active

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woud shiek be scum? or a seperate person?

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this isnt mylo but yea i forgot he did

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We have no need to.

What would it achomplish besides unwagoning you?

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vote: xk

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Honestly fuck your survivalism mate

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There was a time for that, and it was not when you were wagoned.

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I kinda hope pk hammered cause luz.

He didn't because I unvoted

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But I was hoping to see reactions

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Im not sure why we are relying so much on vca and setup spec in the game. Especially considering the evolution of the game wrt wagons and general case depth and when considering the weak nature of each individual player's role.

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Did we all forget that play is the best indicator of alignment?

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We havent tested nadhias claim to be macho either

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We arent testing passive modifiers. If we wagon on cakez Im aiming for a lynch

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stahp

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Survivalism is great and all, but this is ridiculous.

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Y

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See those assumptions.

Theres no reason to. I would have let town bring it up I think. Its a safeguard if you claim it as scum, a way to say, see, look Im actually this comepletely irrelevant thing too!

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And so what if he was? Beeboy told the truth about being a rolecop.

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And being zelda

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delayed cop.

Its a mechanic that isnt like the others

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flavor cop does strike me as overall useless.

Zelda had abilities that could have easily been given to town.

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Im not guessing the mod, Im pointing out an ovbious difference in how your role works. But cool attack bro

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lol.

gladiator is not a specifically town rolr

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Im choosing between the poeple who havent claimed role power names yet.

Sensei, fire, and cakez

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Wow.

VOTE: Firebringer

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So Fire/Cakez then?

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He didnt even wait for results or anyhting to get claimed.

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Yea. I was blocked

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I got Dwlee's filler doodad just fine though

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what the hell? they blocked the flavor cop?????????

???

Dont act suprised. Fire Gladiates me before I can claim, I dont have results, Scumcakez is attacking me already.

See a pattern?

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Except y?

I mean ninjas dont exist, do they?

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I dont think being roleblocked lets you go anywhere.

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I went off to Fire though

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Why didnt you go anywhere?

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Wow.

So Suddenly Cakez and Fire are buddy buddy

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Wat?

since when can we no lynch out of a gladiate?

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Hi does nobody else see how awful this is?

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VOTE: Pisskop

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Like if nobody will listen to me Ill just quit. We can all lose.

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Pisskop, why'd you self vote earlier?

??? Its the last resort.

I got you to unvote, an look, Sircakez has gone from saying pointless things to just hopping and shouting.

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why would town not brush back his wagon and piint out that firecakze scumteam was on him?

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serious? ive got multiple examples of selfvoting agressicely laying around

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64916

nah. it works when wed oterwise losw anyway

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a xompelling arguement fir fire?


he hasnt done anything his opinions are purposefully shallow
the slots lurked out 2ce, the slot should have been lynched yesterday and all of a sudden the moon and stars align to get me lynched in mylo with a gladiate

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fires done more in 3 pages than that slot has done all game, including when hecwent vla to think about his claim yesterday

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vote: Fire

@mod: is nolymch an option?

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Its been atrocious.

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Ive made more of a case on Fire than he could ever do for me. Im not even sure why people think Im scum other than PoE, and my mild case of inaccurate typing.

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This should be a clear cut case. Fireslots been skating along and not doing anything and somehow he's actually being allowed to do this?

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Waht?


So I choose to kill sensei, who townread me to death?

Scratch that, I didnt do anything last night.

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I have a fresh Doctor, so we can use that and your tracker to go do whatever.

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This is ridiculous. Cakez is rambling now.

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Dwlee, why did you refill me if you think I am sucm?

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But I would have just lied if I were scum? Its traffic and what if I had had a dangerus role?

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Youre reading too much into it.

Why wouldnt Town Cakez hammer? He would want to.


Why wouldnt I selfvote?

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The problem is that, besides not expecting it, he may not have even had the chance. You know how long it takes me to type messages sometimes? Especially on mobile or slow internet or w.e. Anything made within 2-5 minutes of each other is best considered simultaneous. And then PW unvoted between 1-60 seconds after that post from SC.


due to how previews work its unlikely we would have caught him trying to quickhammer and be fancy, and even then many scum like to toy around for a time before doing so.

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Its easy to jump up and down and exclaim 'nohammer!' when there was a 30 second window, but thats just not how the internet works.

Im not sure why its a towny thing. Or at least why its any townier than my self-vote.

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Sensei wasnt roleblocked.

NAS has commuters acting first. Its clear he either didnt use the commute or had already.


afa the noflip, that looks like a janitor. Would town have a janitor modifier?

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Why would I know, and why are you trying to fit square pegs into round holes?

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Its clear they did know, or were willing to do it. I dont see the value of dwelling on this particular part.

They did it, and sensei is dead. Im not sure why youre stuck on that.

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No?

Im not sure. Anyone who PRs hunts could probably look. We dont know if they knew he was a claimed commuter before he claimed or not even.

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This isnt something you can logic. Theres no guarentee that scum

knew

anything. Youre only trying to force logic where it cant be.

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But that doesnt mean anything.


A player who had any effect on a commuter would be informed they failed. At least here when 3d sends out results pms.

Youre trying to force this.

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Hi. Can e do the lynching of Fire now?

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Fire, who's my partner?

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Do you have any thoughts you will be sharing, or is that post above the longest one you;ll make this game?

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Im so sad your scum Fire

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hes not town.

abd neither is cakez

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gdi i cant believe how many people fall for ate on the site.

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maybe ate is the wrong word.


I mean its trolling. playing with emotion

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:v

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i got blocked.

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I dont think dwlee is scum unless like hes a compulsive role.

actually, thats a neat role to make. comulsive protown scumrole. gonna make a game w/it

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i dont think nka is terribly useful here. pw was conftown and without a ninja a tracker is a cop

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Conftown is always a safe kill when you have nothing else to stop you.

And frankly I would imagine Dwlee is also a safe kill.

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Today though, we should at least consider a No Lynch as it is the statiitically best move.

But I have a reserveation or so about it since we have a BP and scum could nokill or hit that until it died.

a 2shot BP is 3 nightkills.

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Mod, can players perform more than 1 action in a night?

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Like just ask. Mods cant give away game data, but questions like that are legit, even when I said I did 2 things on night 1

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ahh

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zero?

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Nadhia is 2shot bp bg

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noes. I wa suprised you didnt want to fill up nadhia

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bg

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Nadhia claimed a limted shot of bg. So when you claimed I was the only person you could fill up I made a note.

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I thought cakez was going to add you?

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inb4 he claims he was blocked

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I can deliver my milk to people, seeing where they live and making small talk with them.

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Reap what you sow.

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It says in my description that Im a lazy farmer who would rather hide or talk than work, so I guess it works.

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Is nadhia scum?

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Like nows the time for that case.

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I cant see nadhia as scum.

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VOTE: sircakez

dwelee. why am I scum versus cakez?

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Im not sure how much setup spec can help us. Or nka.

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stahp. Dwelee doesnt think you are scum, and neither do I so its just extra talking at this point.

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We need to focus on what we do today.

Dwelee needs to weigh in as he looks like he will be the deciding voter. Well, not deciding but even player mylo where we lynch is always frustrating.

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Id like to hear a case if you have one.


pedit: Nah. I cant imagine dwelee being scum and not voting yesterday

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What would be nadhia scum?

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Or anyone else, ftm.

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Please dont make this a game where we twiddle our thumbs for two weeks.

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noncon is a limit. by definition half rounded down.

with the additional covet that you cant do it 2x in a row.

its a huge drop, and in practice it ends up being a weaker version of a 2 to 3 shot role depending on game lenth.


are you allowed to target people if you have a full hood?
when does your hooding resolve?

you had tp have expected a person in your hood coud have died, whydidnt you try to add nadhia/i?

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I dont know why she would make this take longer if she were.

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Here role is pretty town though. Unless theres reason to fakeclaim bp/bg?

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Dwelee. Can you get around to either laying out things/demands/stuff or voting?

We dont, shouldnt be spending 2 weeks sitting around.

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Stahp. This is why indescision is so awful. We may as well kick up our feet and post every 43 hours.


Dwlee, you agree that Nadhia is unlikely to be scum. As do I. And nadhia, lol.

So the lynches are I or Cakez.

Do you have anything to ask us? Do you want us to talk about anything? If not, dont make this drag out. The thread will stall, the dead thread enthusiams will stall, and it will make this game much less enjoyable in hindsight. Dont ruin these games.


Once it took 30 days to convince a certain cat-avatar lass to hammer her friend so we could win. And it didnt feel good to win. I was just glad the game ended so I could stop waiting. Dont do this.

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What are your thouhts on a no-lynch?

If you are unwilling to vote, then discuss us all not voting.

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Keep your head in the game now

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Do you honestly think I could still be scum?

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We arent doing charades.

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Because we're sure it probably you.

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Mafia is never a sure game. Why there are PRs usually, to take the onus off of the uncertain logics.

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ok so like what I want right now, is for everyone to link me to like 2 or 3 of their town games and 2 or 3 of their scum games.

I have 50 in my wiki page

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Because we're sure it probably you.

You're likely the scum after your recent posts.

Right.

If nadhia is town Im the only place you have left.