Mini 1798: Greatest Idea (Game Over)

[Fate]

VOTE: House
LOL KATSUKI

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THE POTENTIAL
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THE SWEET SYMBOLIC POTENTIAL

[Fate]

the　first setup I was a tree stump who was going to be an immortal townie

now a goddamn miller

it took a lot of restraint to not want to autokill Katsuki

[Fate]

it was that or someone who auto vigs confirmed town?

Is the choice really that hard to see?

I:m confident I:ll be more of a threat to NK so miller isnt really a detriment

[Fate]

VOTE: Fate

While discarding compulsive child killer looks really town, he could have used that card for his alignment if he wanted to be town.

His choice to discard it makes me feel like he wanted the town cred for not wanting to be forced to kill an innocent child.

tl;dr> It's an excellent scum discard.

why is everyone ignoring this bullshitpost

[Fate]

First roll cards were

[Tree Stump
Cop Lover
Fruit vendor]

I lied about taking Tree Stump I actually had Cop Lover as role

but i was tempted if it was an auto-use on death thing, but its an activated ability during day instead so its only for scrubs who get mislynched

don't really know what Ranger's methods are to break it open. House's refusal is just stubbornly null leaning scum, so I'm still fine with it dying

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we weren't massclaiming god damn it

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he was talking specifically about the cards from the first failed roll of the game

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wasn't implying you were scum just herpderp

I think the

...

reply should've summed it up for the rest of the readers

[Fate]

what abilities?
you claimed fucking town vengeful

Unvote:
Vote: Yume

House is being a stubborn ass but at least I get the sense that he is competent

Youre still not in the clear from RC's game

[Fate]

uh I didn't know claiming to be scum with someone in that matter was modkillable but uh

I mean I claim to bus my buddies all the time as town

[Fate]

massclaiming alignment card has obvious benefits I think but its too easily faked

[Fate]

I'm with Cakez,

I'm talking about alignment cards claiming. I mean there's some value to it but I think it also helps scum find out who has powerful PRs that they need to work around

[Fate]

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VOTE: Ｉｒａｏｎａｖｐ

[Fate]

Who would lie about their cards from the first setup?

Scum would.
"Oh !@#$ If I admit to choosing scum the first time they'll know I chose scum this time too"

No that's stupid
I would have chosen scum if I had good options, but I didn't (Goon sux) so I went with what I am right now

Goon would've been your alignment card what?

VOTE: Sir Cakez

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whatever's going on this thread could use a lot less Yume

VOTE: Yume

Yume if you're town, gambits aren't your thing.

If you're not, fakeclaiming Vengeful as a supposed unlynchable is beyond the dumbest thing I've seen in some time

[Fate]

V/LA for 48 hours

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there doesn't have to be nightkilling scum tho.

Alchemist I don't know where the hell you're getting htis all lovers are town speculation, that's such a fucking stretch to go for.

Vote: Radical Rat

This is fine for today but I'd be down for triple death far from any conceivable LyLo

[Fate]

Alright, and what's your logic there?

They threw away compulsive child killer, and claimed Miller.

For them to be town, they have to have received three shitty roles, and the odds favor them being scum and fakeclaiming Miller.

the fact that I discarded a town role makes me confirmed town, because it means I definitely had the option of being town.

[Fate]

{iraonavp}
{Ranger}
{Alchemist21, DoctorPepper, massive}
{Katsuki}
{RadiantMoonlight}
{Fate}
{Radical Rat}

RR needs to swing.
Then Fate d3.

If the game is still ongoing at that point, I'm open to RM.

I guess I'll just back to back bus buddies and NK you and coast though

iranowap is a safe lynch for me to push once you're dead

[Fate]

lol wtf happened here

[Fate]

{iraonavp}
{Ranger}
{Alchemist21, DoctorPepper, massive}
{Katsuki}
{RadiantMoonlight}
{Fate}
{Radical Rat}

RR needs to swing.
Then Fate d3.

If the game is still ongoing at that point, I'm open to RM.

I guess I'll just back to back bus buddies and NK you and coast though

iranowap is a safe lynch for me to push once you're dead

This actually sells me on Fate being scum #3 more than their cards did.

Notice how he targets my #1 townread in his post ty push after I'm NK'ed.

Why would iraonavp be my #1 townread when I pushed him yesterday and Ranger caught scum yesterday?

Because I'm the cop and iraonavp came back inno. That's why.

I'm outing my claim and results because Fate made it clear that I'm being targeted tonight anyway (surprised i wasn't last night, actually).

When RR swings, Fate needs to be jailed/blocked and I need to be protected.

???

OK I have to take back what I said about your competence D1

[Fate]

Well I guess I"ll real claim, ironically since I'm not even a miller

[Fate]

My third card was Conspiracy Theorist, which I took as my role.

Miller is the card I choose for alignment. I claimed miller because Conspiracy theorist is technically a miller (investigates as alien) but in retrospect it probably wasn't necessary since Aliens can't kill me.

Alchemist is not an alien.

Vote: Radical Rat

[Fate]

oh

I forgot that role existed <__<

I guess I didn't have much imagination and already had miller as one of my 3 roles /lazy

[Fate]

I don't think anyone would ever actually choose alien as a faction unless forced to, thats why I went after you Alchemist (discarded alien is most likely for some weird triple alien role card)

I really wanted to be a cop lover

[Fate]

Like I said I don't think anyone would want to choose Alien as their FACTION unless forced to:

For Example:

Mafia Goon
Alien Ultrapowerrole
Mafia Silencer

Now, who would choose Alien (since their power roles are always better than their faction who can't kill) over Mafia- Ultrapowerrole?

Very unlikely.

The only situation I've seen people take Alien is
1. Well its fun to be an alien and its a silly quick f2f game
2. They got three alien cards

So since you discarded an Alien card you were the most likely to be in scenario #2

[Fate]

I don't see how its hard to follow my thought process here, its pretty clearly lined out.

Its not about probability, its about WHO given their discard fits my criteria for choosing Alien.

Obviously youre not alien so the simpler explanation from your POV is the one that makes sense to you.


But you have to look at it from my POV not knowing your alignment N1

[Fate]

see scenario #1

though I don't know any players who would just enjoy being aliens, as I don't know anyone besides Katsuki in this game really

[Fate]

The fuck is that moonlogic?

Scum can NK any of the three lovers

House had claimed Cop and since something stopped their NK last night obviously they need to take him out while they can

[Fate]

why do I get the feeling youre just telling hte truth with all your posts and not trying to troll or mindfuck town

[Fate]

how do you know its multiball?

[Fate]

so its just an assumption, there's no real evidence behind it. Just makin sure

[Fate]

all the MAfia are grouped together for what I know of this setup....

My miller claim and not being mafia should've confirmed me as town to you mafia fucks?

[Fate]

House literally claimed an innocent on iraonavp, Ranger

[Fate]

Vote: Radiant Moonlight

Claim

[Fate]

Unvote Pepper, this day CAN NOT END without a claim from RM

[Fate]

are you an ascetic or not thats all

[Fate]

its not a fullclaim its a yes/no fucking question

[Fate]

Also depending on the answer I`m likely gonna get pissed at House

[Fate]

My third card was Conspiracy Theorist, which I took as my role.

Miller is the card I choose for alignment. I claimed miller because Conspiracy theorist is technically a miller (investigates as alien) but in retrospect it probably wasn't necessary since Aliens can't kill me.

Alchemist is not an alien.

Vote: Radical Rat

[Fate]

I had higher hopes for both of you combined being able to read me

It only makes sense that RC would have backwards ass reads after I fooled him in that Zombie game

[Fate]

Ive claimed Conspiracy Theorist

clearly I targeted you last night

are you an ascetic or not? jfc

[Fate]

Miller is a Town role you fuckign clowns?

[Fate]

....

Ok clownies.

If RM doesn:t claim ascetic at some point when they feel like co-operating with fellow townies

then there are confirmed Aliens in this set-up.


Which is why House and all that bullshit leading up to me claiming was fucking dumb because now the aliens will just permanently roleblock me each night.

Unvote:
Vote: Dr Pepper

I don:t remember how to bus so Im just gonna leave this here and fake like I:m done with this game


huiwhauhauhauhau emotions

RC: Damn Fate is town this game
Fate: gg get fucked

[Fate]

*miller is the card I choose for alignment

p.s. learn to fucking grammar

[Fate]

massive isn't an alien either

VOTE: Sir Cakez

Die Lovers die

[Fate]

its pretty clear they have a kill thats probably why they vengekilled Alchemist

its also possible theres only aliens left and no mafia.

[Fate]

probably had failed a kill on Alchemist at some point or something*

[Fate]

also Sir Cakez if you're town you should go re-read Radical Rat's posts after he claimed scum and get better at reading sincerity in tone

[Fate]

probably should massclaim as well

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I was debating on it since then he would be super confirmed,

but I was happy enough with the non-mafia result for now.

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RM I dont know what game you:re reading but its literally impossible for me to be scum with Radical Rat and Doctor Pepper

there:s no situation in which I wouldnt wait for Dr Pepper buddy to fakeclaim

[Fate]

That's L-1
Dr. pepper claim please (yes I like this wagon)

Fate still needs pressure though
RM also potentially

^like this guy

[Fate]

can we massclaim or can someone lay out all the claims? I really haven:t been paying that much attention.

Ranger isnt Sircakez a Lover with you guys? I rather lynch him for aesthetic purposes although Katsuki hasn:t tasted a rope that I:ve strung in a long time, I prefer to only do it when I:m scum and hes town

[Fate]

I really don:t see how RM is more cleared than me, I was looking up the roles earlier but I couldn:t seem to find it, but I could:ve sworn there was a Bulletproof Ascetic role

[Fate]

Unvote:

uh when did Cakes become confirmed town?

Really though, about that massclaim

[Fate]

Unvote now.

I am town

[Fate]

If the lovers really are town its down to Radiant Moonlight and iraonavp (as potential alien)

Radiant Moonlight NEEDS to be locked into a claim today

[Fate]

Fate Compulsive Child Killer

I choose town in this setup EVERY FUCKING TIME. I have an incredibly consistent history with this, and Katsuki can vouch for that.

I get that's not enough for everyone to just auto-clear me but speedlynching me can definitely lead to an a town loss in the case of Iraonavp/RM Alien and a Mafia member left

[Fate]

Katsuki hammering me would be a scumclaim no matter what as well

[Fate]

I'm not opposed to lynching Fate, but I'm not done with RM yet.

The day has only just begun, we don't need to worry about who's swinging yet.

VOTE: Radical Rat

When is the proper time for caring who swings?

Once the discussion of the day has been taken care of.

At any rate, I'm at L-1, so let's get this out of the way.
I am a Mafia One-shot Dayvig. Mafia was taken from Mafia Seer.
Fate is NOT my scumbuddy, but I do suspect that slot is scum.
There is at least one Vengeful on our team, so lynch carefully.

Last, but not least...

Kill: House

this clownfuck hard claimed real information, why would he specifically choose me to lie about? Again, if you can't read for sincerity in RR's posts you need some humble pie at your scumhunting skills RC/Titus

[Fate]

I want to massclaim specifically because we need to know where all these clears besides House's innocent are coming from.

And hell its not like Godfather is impossible anwyay, so how about going by day play instead of this auto-coast through nightplay failure (I mean I get it worked up until now, but I'm defintiely town this game as I said because I'm mod confirmed with the OPTION to have been town)

[Fate]

Unvote:

uh when did Cakes become confirmed town?

Really though, about that massclaim

Since Day 2.

I spit on your scummy massclaim good sir.

Hammerbusses are a thing.

There are things and there are things I do, are you gonna take the time to make the distinction?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66116

oh look! A game where I hammered 3 scum back to back as town!

And you were in Mafia Z. I bus early and hard or not at all. I don't half ass this shit with some hammer that doesn't get any credit at all (because I didnt even know/care to have a read on Pepper)

Thats all I got for my defense. Massclaiming first is definitely the way to go, and then we'll see if its better for me to get one more alien result or whatveer the fuck RM's bullshit role is (at this point hes some investigative/bulletproof/ascetic god role, which is complete scum horseshit if Ive ever seen it)

[Fate]

Ranger, why did you hammer Fate?

Because I was asked to.

Hope you learn real quick that this is a shitty way to play the game and will get you in trouble

[Fate]

Ranger, please use your words to explain why RM shouldn't claim and also why we shouldn't massclaim

I mean are you and Cakez just vanilla lovers? There were no better options really?

[Fate]

There's no way Cakez is a vanilla lover

also why would you choose vanilla lover over supersaint (game winning in Lylo)

[Fate]

It's easy to determine RM's role. Alignment might be more questionable, but I don't see why he would clear townies if he wasn't town himself. It's probably right to lynch him if it comes down to me / iraonavp / RM.

Explain to me about the alien faction. It's been implied they have no kill?

I misremembered. Aliens have ONE night kill per game, its possibly they haven't used it yet.

[Fate]

We both agree that we should not be lynching the lovers. If we were, the proper play is to vote SirCakez to avoid any powers scum can possibly have.

Right now, Fate and iraonvp are the best lynches. iraonvp has a semi-clear from House. That leaves Fate.

Fate is the most upset about failing to visit me. Scum have attempted to wagon us after failing to kill and confirming town. Who is whining about conftown? Fate.

Let's lynch him.

so, its confirmed I have an investigative role because I knew you were an ascetic

yet you think its because I failed to kill you? The fuck are you on about?

[Fate]

I think Lovers are the best lynch today still, I just want the claims first

[Fate]

like for all your talk of optimal play how is it not Lynch SC-> I investigate Iraonavp, lynch/him depending?

[Fate]

I don't think you're particularly scum I just haven't had the time for this game and wish you could see past that

[Fate]

scum haven't gone for the triple kill for 3 nights

also Katsuki prefers scum

[Fate]

meh I mean I'm not gonna cling to life if its not in towns best interests but my investigation isn't the worst

[Fate]

sorry on the phone

*shrug*

[Fate]

I knew I had a scumread on this guy for some reasno

[Fate]

2) Mafia is only one scum faction and unless scum shot at us repeatedly it's not in play.

Also, this is why I can't be scum-aligned and why I'm suspicious that you continue to accuse me of it.

Because there has only been one kill per night

and I'm not mafia because House checked me.

???

Iraon suddenly spikes in activity

this is glorious to watch.

I still want to see Katsuki do, you know, anything at all.

[Fate]

I never investigated iraoanvp for alien

[Fate]

Alchemist, RM (No result), Massive

I should probably actually start reading between the lines and figure out what RM is, but until I do that I don't see the downside of no lynching and me checking Iraon. If no lynching is really just not doable lynching the lovers and massclaiming tommorrow should be enough if RM clears me

[Fate]

ok RM's role is obvious I just literally needed to think about it for one second

[Fate]

RM if thats the case we have to lynch the lovers today, aren't you doing the math?

[Fate]

there's no one left for you to investigate but me or the lovers

so if we lynch me and you try to investigate a lover that equals...

Consider a situation Iraon as an alien who finally shoots the lovers with his 1-shot NK and mafia in the Lovers. Hell though in the mafia NKing massive or you

G
G

[Fate]

Sir Cakez please stop being bad at town, for the greater good of the site

[Fate]

I dont think the kills have just been targeting you each night.

Could've been Alchemist->RM->Mafia are all dead?

But yeah if I've taken the time to figure it out then Katsuki scum can easily see it and only iraonavp seems to be the one thats unsure.

SC you have to at least give that I'm role confirmed as having targeted RM N2. As far as my day play goes I sure as hell didn't act like this in Mafia Z when I powerbussed and was on point the whole time.

Why don't you reflect on your own paranoia having been fooled by me last time for most of the game?

[Fate]

if Im reading your role pm right you only clear for mafia unless theres a special clause for Greatest Idea ______s

[Fate]

just from sheer PoE sure.

But at least give me that, as town, its better to have me around in the event of your death to finish this game out. In that case I'd have to arrogantly say clearing me is the best move and if I have to lynch iraonvp for that to happen I'm willing to

Can you elaborate on "which block MOST but not all..." Block? As in lynching the lovers stops scum except for two cases (such as me/Iroan both being scum on different teams?)

[Fate]

This sounds like a crock of bull to me
If he isn't bullshitting though, then it has to be Fate I guess.

I was only really caught by PoE and not having had mislynched you earlier etc.


<___<b

I figure the only way we lose this is if Iraon+Lovers are scum and we lynch me, so from my POV that's the only way to go. Given RM's role its better for him to clear one of Iraon/Me and lynch the other

VOTE: Iraon The only thing with this plan is theres no use for my investigate since the lovers would just have to die tomorrow

[Fate]

ok then yeah we may as well massclaim because that can only be one role+ given my no result

[Fate]

uh

did yo ujust claim scum iroana?

[Fate]

The cards I am given are:

Mafia Goon
Werewolf
Cop Lover

So I chose Cop Lover as alignment and Mafia Goon as role.

nvm

[Fate]

Katsuki just claim, no catchup required

[Fate]

actually fuck this, Katsuki's posted elsewhere on site

VOTE: Sir Cakez

[Fate]

at the end of the day I'm voting Sir Cakez

I also know for a fact that RM has the role he says he has given his play and my results, so really we just need to string up Katsuki

[Fate]

they meant NK

damn iraoana def isn't godfather at least

[Fate]

Need to talk things through with my other mafia half before we claim.

Thanks Massive for being a gracious host but bring your own vodka next time.

~Titus

this crumb was a bit over the top tho >__>

[Fate]

well I hadn't put even a single ounce of mental effort into it up to that point, it was more of just a power struggle.

I don't try to figure out people's roles as town, thats probably a part of my game that could be improved (so I could finally at least read masons correctly)

[Fate]

its bizarre but if he were scum its even more bizarre because theres no situation in which scum wants to tie their life to another over taking someone with them.

her irrational and suboptimal choice on the basis that she wouldnt get killed and also trying to say she didnt know what lovers do is weird but idk if its scum.

I mean Im still voting for Lover death so its all a wash

[Fate]

Bulletproof Alien Lover

OH MY GOD

AND SCUM TARGETED RANGER N1


KILL IT

KILL IT

YOURE THE ONE

ITS NOT A CONSPIRACY

YOURE THE FUCKING ALIEN RANGER

[Fate]

HELLO

RANGER IS ABULLETPROOF ALIEN

DO WE REALLY NEED MY INVESTIGATE TO PROVE THIS

[Fate]

It would mean she took Bulletproof Lover as her role and that would mean Alien is NOT her alignment (if that were her cards).

(uh nevermind whoops)

[Fate]

but yeah either way shes lying and is bulletproof instead. I can see why town would want to lie about that but given mafia already knew a kill on Ranger failed Werewolf bulletproof or something is possible or some other sort of scum

[Fate]

RM has been locked into his claim since forever ago, because hes real claiming

its really beyond suboptimal play (and role choice?) as scum so

[Fate]

ffffffffffffffff this game needs more blood

[Fate]

what the fuck game are you reading iraona

LYNCHING SIR CAKEZ MAKES RANGER DEAD

[Fate]

if Rangers a bulletproof Jester then gg, she wins

[Fate]

Confirmed as scum aligned?

And youre confirmed as town aligned?


Where the hell are you getting this from

I could even see a situation where town Ranger took Bulletproof lover and just didnt claim the bulletproof part for obvious reasons

this game

[Fate]

so Iraona can literally only be alien/SK thats never killed anyone

mehhh

I'll just check him tonight and we can lynch Lovers pls?

[Fate]

I'm not lynching in the lovers because we're compulsive and that gives Iraonavp a 50% chance of winning if they have a kill.

Not happening. We are lynching Iraonavp or Fate.

ah...

fair.

VOTE: Iraonavp

*feels bad man*

[Fate]

I'm not sure who is scum-aligned. This doesn't really make any sense...

I think Fate is a scum-aligned conspiracy theorist.

VOTE: Fate

this is where you lost me iroana

[Fate]

thats about your only option right now isn't it? No one was going to buy a RM lynch and now I've even been convinced off the lovers.

[Fate]

Katsuki you can hammer anytime you feel like being useful and playing the game

[Fate]

Iraona if youre town Im town too, and were apparently the only lynch options today

[Fate]

RM hide behind me and we can't lose?

[Fate]

Maybe the game's just over lol

[Fate]

uhhh ty for carry I guess?

lolKatsukiscum

[Fate]

idk I think RM's play was pretty strong day and night

[Fate]

I was probably a better mislynch than Irao on that day but really lynching the lovers was just the way to go