Mini 1798: Greatest Idea (Game Over)

[iraonavp]

I wasn't there the first time the setup was rolled so I don't know what cards the person I replaced received. I think Fate is lying about being a miller because that would mean his third card was a town role worse than both miller and compulsive child killer.

VOTE: Fate

[iraonavp]

What do you think?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: House

[iraonavp]

I voted House instead of you because I realized that if you were telling the truth, you would have to be either a Night-kill immune miller vigilante or a Bulletproof miller serial killer, and because I think that House is scum-aligned.

Could you stop typing like that? I have dyslexia and it's difficult for me to read.

[iraonavp]

Oh, wait... I thought the setup was made from the Mafia Discussion thread but it's actually not.

So you could have one of the other worse negative utilities, but I doubt that to be honest.

[iraonavp]

I voted House instead of you because I realized that if you were telling the truth, you would have to be either a Night-kill immune miller vigilante or a Bulletproof miller serial killer, and because I think that House is scum-aligned.

Could you stop typing like that? I have dyslexia and it's difficult for me to read.

So you considered Fate might be telling the truth after I raised the possibility, and scumread me for it?

Yeah, that totally makes sense.

VOTE: iraonavp

I read you as scum-aligned for how you made the post, and your other posts.

Oh, wait... I thought the setup was made from the Mafia Discussion thread but it's actually not.

So you could have one of the other worse negative utilities, but I doubt that to be honest.

Did you vote me because you thought I read that thread?

Unless I posted in it (I haven't), that's a pretty stupid assumption to base a vote.

No, I quite obviously didn't, because that would be a pretty stupid assumption to base a vote!

VOTE: Yume

[iraonavp]

Does it matter? Yume claimed a role that cannot exist.

[iraonavp]

Also, House, I changed my mind about you based on your recent posts, and I think that you're town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

The mod sent me the selections my predecessor had. They were vanilla townie, 1-shot governor, and serial killer immune to werewolf kills. He never decided on a role.

[iraonavp]

Alchemist, why did you quickhammer Yume?

[iraonavp]

I didn't notice that Yume's claim was impossible until it was pointed out.

I don't see how Radical Rat being 1-shot unlynchable on the first roll would impact Yume's fakeclaim, I think that's null.

Alchemist, why did you quickhammer Yume?

Alchemist didn't hammer, Katsuke did.

Are you sure?

The people I think are scum-aligned are Fate and DoctorPepper.

[iraonavp]

and I gave them. It's not my fault that my first and 2nd roll cards are the same. Or are you gonna declare me scum for this?

wasn't implying you were scum just herpderp

I think the

...

reply should've summed it up for the rest of the readers

I think that this makes Fate likely to be scum-aligned with Yume. Also, what House just said about him choosing miller.

VOTE: Fate

[iraonavp]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[iraonavp]

I'm vanilla townie, I popcorn claim to RadiantMoonlight next.

We should lynch Fate, the lovers can never win unless two are scum-aligned, so they are a really bad lynch always.

[iraonavp]

The cards I am given are:

Mafia Goon
Werewolf
Cop Lover

So I chose Cop Lover as alignment and Mafia Goon as role.

[iraonavp]

Fate is at L-1 by the way...

[iraonavp]

Ranger, why did you hammer Fate?

[iraonavp]

Well, we didn't have a chance to massclaim yet.

Katsuki, I beg of you, please do not hammer him.

[iraonavp]

Who are the lovers?

RadiantMoonlight, you should claim already. I trust you less than I trust Fate, anyway.

I think you are just saying false things about how the town-aligned players will automatically win if they lynch Fate, when it isn't actually true, and just hoping nobody questions you.

[iraonavp]

Me? I'm town-aligned.

I think you might be too now, I'm not sure though.

[iraonavp]

Fate, I'm not opposed to a iraonavp wagon after that post and the total absence yesterday. By the numbers, he's less likely to be scum, but that post is total shit. He's not scumhunting and hasn't since we determined him to be "not mafia".

I wasn't here so I couldn't post...

I don't see what's wrong with my post.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

[iraonavp]

You don't even think I'm scum-aligned and you can clearly see that I'm a sub-optimal vote.

I guess you and your partner have similar ideas on how to appear town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

I am trying! I don't care if you're drunk, you're still scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

I voted you first, so you're actually the one who did OMGUS. Your vote is only for show, to make it seem like I'm someone who doesn't know who they're talking about or scum-aligned.

Also, your plan only works to automatically win if you are assumed to be town-aligned. I don't think that you believe us to expect that, it's just vague and you'll never explain how lynching me and Fate wins the game.

[iraonavp]

No, that's bullshit.

Now you're going to go on and posture about "I mean he's basically confirmed town

but he's so suspicious though

".

You don't think I'm scum-aligned enough to make all those premises in that post, you are throwing rhetoric at me and you are scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Yume is a strong jailkeep target because we lynch her in 3/4 way anyway.

Also, I think this is likely to make Radiant Moonlight scum-aligned with Yume because it is an attempt to bus Yume.

[iraonavp]

I don't even know why you mentioned jailkeep, is that what you're going to fakeclaim?

I think Ranger is most likely to be scum-aligned lover because of how she pointed out the "slip" but did nothing about it, not even reading Yume as scum-aligned. I think this is because she wanted credit for pointing it out first (SirCakez did this), but . Also, it isn't really a "slip" unless you know Yume is scum-aligned, it's just an impossible claim and I think this interpretation is more likely to come from someone who already knew Yume's alignment.

[iraonavp]

Fate/Lovers and if the game is ongoing iro

Actually, it should be, in order:
-Lynch us, the lovers.
-Fate checks iraonavp, who was House's cop clear.
-Lynch Fate.
-If game's not over, lynch you, because you've cleared massive and iraonavp is clear.
That's the most optimal order anyway.

VOTE: Katsuki.
I can be persuaded to vote Fate, but again, I think this order is technically superior.

This plan will not work and Fate will be roleblocked or scum-aligned, Ranger wants to be lynched and make this bad plan for after so that we lose the game, there will be some clear way for the scum-aligned team to beat this.

At this stage, I'd be in favor of a limited massclaim.
Specifically, {Alchemist21, massive, DoctorPepper} only. Plus confirming Fate already fullclaimed.

{iraonavp, massive, DoctorPepper, House}
{Alchemist21}
{Fate}
{Katsuki}
{Radical Rat}

And, Ranger's read on DoctorPepper changed for no reason after people started wanting to lynch him.

[iraonavp]

This is a scumclaim.

You're a bit late to the party, House.

I realized that the moment Yume claimed.

And if Ranger was town-aligned there's zero reason to mention this, only to make herself look more town-aligned.

She votes two people (not Yume) between pointing it out, she doesn't even vote Yume to be lynched. And Ranger doesn't like to bus partners, she doesn't vote DoctorPepper either, maybe some forlorn hope that the lynch will turn around. She keeps voting Katsuki for no reason, Katsuki didn't even do anything.

[iraonavp]

2) Mafia is only one scum faction and unless scum shot at us repeatedly it's not in play.

Also, this is why I can't be scum-aligned and why I'm suspicious that you continue to accuse me of it.

Because there has only been one kill per night and I'm not mafia because House checked me.

[iraonavp]

I already claimed and popcorned to you, how are you trying really?

[iraonavp]

What?

[iraonavp]

I don't understand what you mean. Why don't you claim it then?

Why would I want to be a scum-aligned cop lover?

[iraonavp]

You are treating Radiant Moonlight like they are cleared, when I am much more cleared than they are.

[iraonavp]

There couldn't be only one scum-aligned player remaining in this game in the lovers, they would've forfeited already because there's literally no way that they could win.

[iraonavp]

We actually tried to kill Ranger, before she could get away with whatever thing she has planned for the first roll cards.

This is also evidence for Ranger being scum-aligned, because you can't just partially try to kill someone with a 1-shot dayvig, so it was a deliberate attempt to drop Ranger's name.

Ranger is sacrificing herself for three dead town-aligned players. It is all planned, they have worked out how to defeat the town-aligned players.

[iraonavp]

You're right, I thought that Ranger only did the first roll thing on day 1 but I checked and I was wrong.

[iraonavp]

Lover is negative, why would you ever choose lover instead of supersaint?

[iraonavp]

No, that's a lie!

I'd be the first to admit: in multiball, this is much harder than normal. Heck, we JUST finished a (very, very, VERY rare) multiball game over there. (I was a lover, died fairly early.) My normal process is virtually worthless. While I fully consider being wrong in my reads, especially given multiball, I'm not going to make much progress if I always assume all of my reads are wrong, now, am I? So for the time being, I'm going to assume I'm right and pursue my early reads.

There are other quotes too which demonstrate that you know what it is, I just searched your posts for "lover".

[iraonavp]

Oh, you'd have that problem regardless because you were confirmed as a lover and didn't want to claim cop lover, that's why you were forced to make up a reason.

[iraonavp]

Day 1 begins. The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2016-06-22 18:30:00).

Votecount 1.00

Not Voting (13):

Radical Rat, Fate, Katsuki, iraonavp, SirCakez, Radiant Moonlight, Alchemist21, 123456789, massive, House, Ranger, DoctorPepper, Yume

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch.

Player	Discard
Radical Rat	Bodyguard
Fate	Compulsive Child Killer
Katsuki	Innocent Child
iraonavp	Werewolf
SirCakez	Mafia Goon
RadiantMoonlight	Mafia Godfather
Alchemist21	Alien Mass Redirector
123456789	Werewolf Roleblocker
massive	Werewolf
House	One-Shot Gladiator
Ranger	Werewolf Supersaint
DoctorPepper	Mafia Fruit Vendor
Yume	Werewolf One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner

SirCakez and Katsuki's choices at least make some sense (Katsuki's makes less sense).

[iraonavp]

We actually tried to kill Ranger, before she could get away with whatever thing she has planned for the first roll cards.

This is also evidence for Ranger being scum-aligned, because you can't just partially try to kill someone with a 1-shot dayvig, so it was a deliberate attempt to drop Ranger's name.

Ranger is sacrificing herself for three dead town-aligned players. It is all planned, they have worked out how to defeat the town-aligned players.

Also, even though I was wrong like Fate said, they clearly didn't attack Ranger.

The only reason they would attack Ranger would be if all the lovers were town-aligned, and if so, why didn't they attack them on any other night? Also, it was very clear why Ranger was asking for claims of the first roll.

[iraonavp]

There's no reason for scum-Ranger to pick Lover over Supersaint. A scum team would be perfectly positioned to take advantage of Supersaint and ensure an extra kill for value. (Not that it matters, we aren't going to lynch the lovers to kill Ranger or Cakez -- if we do it will be to get Katsuki.)

Unless she actually wanted to be bulletproof (afraid of crosskills) and didn't mind being a lover.

In any case, we know she lied about the cards she chose and there's no reason for a town-aligned player to do that.

[iraonavp]

Because she said she chose lover instead of supersaint because she didn't know what lover was, when that's clearly false. If she chose bulletproof lover then she still lied and probably is scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Can you claim your role? We're all claiming, and we've been waiting for you to return.

[iraonavp]

We knew that already. What were your cards?

[iraonavp]

No, it can't be that because Ranger wants the lovers to die.

So it must be someone else, like Radiant Moonlight, or Radiant Moonlight.

[iraonavp]

Exactly, they haven't even fakeclaimed yet.

[iraonavp]

What did they claim? I don't believe them.

They are the most suspicious by a large margin and they say massive can't be scum-aligned. Why do you think I wasn't killed yet? Because they want to accuse me of being godfather or alien.

[iraonavp]

That's a terrible idea. I'm confirmed as town-aligned and you are hiding behind a vague fakeclaim.

[iraonavp]

It's only a slight lie, I am 99% confirmed as town-aligned. Much more confirmed than you are.

You are actually suggesting that I am a godfather or alien over just being town-aligned but you have to say it in this indirect way because it just sounds ridiculous.

[iraonavp]

There can't be any werewolves because there are no kills.

I discarded werewolf, I would never choose alien over werewolf.

You are accusing me of being godfather or alien and it is an immense reach.

[iraonavp]

See, it isn't Ranger and Katsuki!

[iraonavp]

What?

[iraonavp]

Katsuki, why would you discard innocent child over VT then?

Katsuki is obviously not town here. Yet, his play screams a jester performance to me. If he IS a jester, lynching him causes us to actually be in a situation where we can lose. So...

VOTE: SirCakey

Sorry man.

~Titus

This doesn't make any sense and you're clearly supporting Ranger's scum-aligned agenda.

Ranger is confirmed as scum-aligned. Why are you doing what she wants?

[iraonavp]

Yes, Ranger is scum-aligned and wants to be dead.

We don't know what the next step of her master plan is, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to listen to someone who is confirmed as scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Confirmed as scum aligned?

And youre confirmed as town aligned?


Where the hell are you getting this from

I could even see a situation where town Ranger took Bulletproof lover and just didnt claim the bulletproof part for obvious reasons

this game

She blatantly lied about her role and then ignored it when I pointed it out.

If you lynch me, you will end up in LyLo with you, Radiant Moonlight, and massive. And you will probably get lynched.

[iraonavp]

I'm not lynching iraonavp.

See, it's just WIFOM. She will hammer me when she gets the opportunity.

[iraonavp]

So if you're claiming hider, why are you assuming that massive is town-aligned rather than non-mafia or a godfather, when the same applies to me?

[iraonavp]

I'm not sure who is scum-aligned. This doesn't really make any sense...

I think Fate is a scum-aligned conspiracy theorist.

VOTE: Fate

[iraonavp]

The one confirmed as scum-aligned is making the most sense...

SirCakez, you are making the wrong decision!

[iraonavp]

How does what Radiant Moonlight is saying make any semblance of sense? Yes, if I'm scum-aligned, but I'm clearly not!

[iraonavp]

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

Lynching me would be a huge mistake, please don't, Katsuki!

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

I think they are scum-aligned hider.

Why would they clear massive then?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

[iraonavp]

They deliberately no killed to make their claim look more believable.

Otherwise they would've just killed the lovers, it doesn't make sense why would they be attacked so many times in a row.

[iraonavp]

Why did you hammer a stupid lynch, Katsuki?

[iraonavp]

I think we probably lost...