Literally Anything uPick (Game Over)

[Ircher]

Well you can rest assured I am town here. I U-Pick like a pro. Although I think I would have preferred being "The 'You Had Me At Hello' scene from Jerry Maguire."

Nope, ur not town.

VOTE: Massive

[Ircher]

Massive === Scum. Always.

Lynch it.

[Ircher]

I have 2 scum games. Freedom uPick I lost; Newbie 1708 I won

[Ircher]

I don't know what to make of Massive's "Don't worry I'm town" entrance.

It's null.

Man, you could at least say "it's entertaining" or "it's the highlight of the thread so far." "Null" is so boring.

No, it's just null.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

that back to back scum Upick luck tho

What???

[Ircher]

Soft-Claimed during Pre-Game

[Ircher]

@Ranger
Vote massive

[Ircher]

This post restriction is going to be the best part of this game. Easily.

No fair!

I wanted to be something strong and submitted almost the same picks as last time, yet now I have thiiiiiiiiiiiiiss~!

I hope you're happy, you jerk!!!

Thanks for voting massive.

I truly am interested in what you picked (last time you chose RadiantCowbells!) No, I'm not role fishing; we'll learn in due time.

[Ircher]

hmm.

Can anyone guess who I am?

Nope.

[Ircher]

I don't know, Ircher, I've never been town in a game with you before, but I don't think you quite stand up to the BBT "always opposite alignment" test.

If you don't lurk this game, I might change my mind

[Ircher]

What makes you think Ranger is scum, Clumsy?

[Ircher]

What makes you think Ranger is scum, Clumsy?

*Klingon

[Ircher]

.... Rather weak imho.....

Game's bareky started, so that feels like an OMGUS tbh.........

[Ircher]

@CatDog & @Shotty
Get in here! You're missing out on all the fun!

[Ircher]

Yeah, Yume brings up a good point. There's no reason for you guys (and gals) to stubbornly refuse to unvote a confirmed townie.....

I can understand not immediatly, BUT arguing over it is not helping your case.

[Ircher]

Yume, sometimes people are just lazy. You're in no danger of being lynched so there's no harm in anyone who's already voted you not unvoting if they haven't made up their mind on who else to vote for.
It doesn't mean anything and it's time to move on.

Do you have any townreads?

VOTE: Postie

[Ircher]

It's so hard to type this:

Code: Select all

[uv]Yume[/uv]

[Ircher]

Your debate about it is ridiculous; you are not obliged to be voting at all times ya know.

Pedit: You're luterally arguing with Yume about it. That's refusal.

Pedit2: Let's not bring out the WIFOM quite yet

Pedit3: Nice OMGUS vote

[Ircher]

@Yume
RC hasn't posted since the confirmation, has he? So, RC isn't necessarily scum yet. But Postie is for the argument.

[Ircher]

Pedit: You're luterally arguing with Yume about it. That's refusal.

MY VOTE ISN'T ON YUME
IT HASN'T BEEN ON YUME SINCE SHE BROUGHT IT UP

Missed that amongst the arguing. My vite stands.

[Ircher]

My vite stands.

Why

1) I dont got a better vote
2) You continued to argue with Yume over viting the IC theory
3) You're not helping town.

Pedit: Fine, I'll pressure RC instead.

VOTE: RC

[Ircher]

@Postie Also, why so obsessed by getting me off you? I die at the end of Day 2 anyway, hooray, you get rid of me! Why then are you trying to get me to not scumread you? If you are town, you should be ignoring me till then.

^

[Ircher]

Remind me to read through Ircher's scum games.

Why?

[Ircher]

A secret hydra.....

Very disappointing....

[Ircher]

Not really, I just didn't realize there was a hydra.

[Ircher]

Newbie 1708 and Freedom uPick.

Lost Freedom uPick, won Newbie 1708.

[Ircher]

Katsuki, have you even read the thread? :/

And Ircher, I've seen your town game (you even complained in one that you had only gotten town). Haven't seen scum game. Just research.

I'm just curious why you're suddenly interested in this. Meta generally gets frowned upon, and what are you particular looking for in terms of my meta?

[Ircher]

Anyway, all the info is on my wiki page. Some of the info I have put into tables, so it's not hard to find. (PS: Click my sig's link)

[Ircher]

massive is being relatively active this game compared to the other (scum) games I've played with him...... Hrm......

Massive is right tho -- That shouldn't really be considered a tell unless you do it 100% of the time as scum....

[Ircher]

Clumsy is neutral/scummy for reasons I don't really know

I'm liking my vote on Ircher, and really don't like his push on Postie (or the postie wagon at all for that matter)

Yume was on that wagon for starters. And, my push was reasonable.

[Ircher]

Ot was reasonable at the time.
VOTE: massive --> RVS Vote again

[Ircher]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

[Ircher]

VOTE:YUME

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Like seriously, stop pulling stunts.

[Ircher]

Whats your RVS vote, Shotty?

[Ircher]

L-1

[Ircher]

You didn't necessarily have to vote the top wagon @Shotty that was @L-2, you could've just said who'd you vite for RVS

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

that back to back scum Upick luck tho

??? - Pls explain what you mean here (unless you're implying I'm scum here too as a joke)

/softclaim

I'm also confused here. What are you trying to accomplish with this post/why do you want to soft-claim???

In this case, yes. Since I cannot be targeted at all during night, your best bet is to try to lynch me. While I do die and the end of day 2, that's plenty of time for me to damage you.

this post sums up a lot about how I feel about Yume

Ok

eh you do what you want

if you are having fun then keep on keeping on

you're good to keep around for contrast let's just say I'm not gonna shed tears at the end of day 2

Meh.

I would never waste a NK on you no matter what your role

jus sayin

Meh.

also IC just don't get lynched, its not a thing, thats why your comment shows your lack of awareness of what is possible in mafia day play

Still, it's not necessarily scummy to think that way.

can we please stop this useless conversation right now and talk about everything but Yume and the RVS wagon on her

Klingon and Postie are townish atm

Meh.

give them time its not like there was much more pressing matters to attend to

Meh.

Fate, why are you townreading Klingoncelt?

tone of her posts

Is that it?

Clumsy is neutral/scummy for reasons I don't really know

I'm liking my vote on Ircher, and really don't like his push on Postie (or the postie wagon at all for that matter)

What was wrong about the Postie oush? Illogical != Scummy && Scummy != Scum.

you're pushing him for stalling ot uvote the IC right?

Which is essentially Yume's pants on head argument

I have higher standards for your "reasonable" arguments

Why the double standard? Would you be scumreading Yume if say Ranger was the IC and Postie kept the vote on Ranger?

RVS vote again?

the literal fuck?

Ircher needs to hang

Meh, but I think you're not anakyzing motives rn tbh.

Katsuki are we gonna lynch him or not

Stop advocating QLynches. I remember last time I got QLynched D1 was in Mini 1777 for general apathy. I was town in that game btw which people realized post hammer. (****LOOKING AT YOU, KATSUKI****)

You...you...big fat stupid ugly jerks!

this isn't a very kawaii post Ranger

Meh.

I'd go with Neutral-Town here.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yume

Ok

8. Thou shalt vote in thread in this form

vote Untrod Tripod

or

vote UT

.

Wait we're allowed to use the regular voting tags right?

Meh.

I don't know what to make of Massive's "Don't worry I'm town" entrance.

It's null.

Indeed it is.

This post restriction is going to be the best part of this game. Easily.

Meh.

It's slightly suspicious and I think I should at least know why.

Not really. Do you think scum would actually try and get an IC lynched?

Absolutely. RC might not in this particular game, but that's definitely a gambit scum would make (esp. scum!RC)

I should probably pick a new wagon though.

VOTE: massive

Convenient vote-switch. No reason provided here either.

There are what, three/four scum? Even if all of them voted you, that wouldn't be enough to lynch you. You think town's going to hop onto an IC wagon?
Also, why would scum do that when you just die at the end of day 2? They'd be sacrificing a free kill.

This game is bastard; while YOU are certain of your alignment, even mod-comfirmed info in-thread in a bastard game can be false. Look at some of the Grand Idea roles for instance.

They might if you use a convincing enough argument, i.e he/she brings town more harm than good. And you can't deny that scum want to get rid of IC as fast as possible.

But you die at the end of day 2 so there'd be no point? Why go to the trouble of lynching someone who's going to die the next day anyway?

Still arguing.....

Also, your posts seem rehearsed.

Okay.

Someone else talk to me so I start engaging in a way that's productive.

I agree with Yume.

Fate, why are you townreading Klingoncelt?

Decent.

Yume, sometimes people are just lazy. You're in no danger of being lynched so there's no harm in anyone who's already voted you not unvoting if they haven't made up their mind on who else to vote for.
It doesn't mean anything and it's time to move on.

Do you have any townreads?

Did you have to engage in this argument?

VOTE: Ircher

Nice OMGUS vote.

stubbornly refuse to unvote a confirmed townie

No one was doing this.

My bad, I forgot that was the case THROUGH YOUR 5 OTHER POSTS TRYING TO ARGUE A CASE.

Pedit: You're luterally arguing with Yume about it. That's refusal.

MY VOTE ISN'T ON YUME
IT HASN'T BEEN ON YUME SINCE SHE BROUGHT IT UP

See above.

My vite stands.

Why

Your tone seems forced. You decided to engage in a page long discussion on why voting an IC isn't scummy, and yet you OMGUS vote me for what apparently amounts to poor logic.

How townie to change vote instantly after someone calls you out on bad vote.

Would not unvoting have been townier?

Yeah, rather than switching to the wagon with the most votes at the time without giving a reason.

Yume, can I ask you a favour? Will you please focus on getting townreads this game and just stay away from scumreading anyone for now? That doesn't mean you have to stop attacking people and pressuring them, just don't write them off as scum.
You're playing in a way that's overly paranoid and it won't work to get scum lynched. Focusing on deciding who

isn't

scum and taking things from there is going to be more helpful for you at the moment.

You're still scum.

Ignoring you was my first instinct, yes, but I'd prefer if you stopped tunneling town and someone who may or may not be town for nonsensical reasons and directed your attention somewhere else, because that way you might actually be useful and improve your play.
And I fully expect to get scumread for taking this approach but it seems like it'll get more shit done so I don't care.

Scum.

Okay, can you tell me what things people have said that made you townread them?

Scum.

Are you really comparing my situation to yours here? Nobody's tunneling you.

Scum.

No no keep engaging with Clumsy! That would actually be really helpful.

Scum.

Yeah I probably shouldn't have said that.

Okay whatever I'm ready to do the ignoring you thing now.

@Fate

- Read on Clumsy?

Meh.

VOTE: Postie

*hits that was easy button*

Yep, I expected that. I'm pretty sure I did the 100% tell too.
This is what I was saying about your spreadsheet failing eventually because it's possible I'll do the things I do as scum as town at some point.
Phone-posting but I'm when I get to a computer I'll probably go over the context of some stuff to explain why you'are getting false positives.

Would you be open to getting a neighborhood with me from night 1 onwards and leaving your decision on my alignment until after then? Because that can be arranged. It would help me

a lot

in figuring you out too.

Don't like the way this is worded.

That's 100% not what I'm saying.
Ugh let me get to a computer so I can explain why you're wrong and understanding the context of tells matters.

Meta defense

@RC

Okay, I have no idea how accurate my guess about half this stuff is going to be, but I'll give it a shot.
Everyone else can feel free to ignore everything I'm about to say since it isn't really that relevant to you.

To start with we're going to travel back in time to my first newbie game. Bear with me.

Below is an exchange between me and another player in that game.

Spoiler:

We're in RVS; why do you feel the need to justify your vote to this extent?

I wasn't justifying my vote at all. I was talking about information theory. My vote has nothing to do with Jean's predgidous against generalizations!

Why are you purposely misrepresenting information for reach tells?

Apologies. Jean criticised your vote because he didn't like the logic you used, so can you understand how I may have mistakenly assumed that, when you defended the logic you were using, you were trying to defend your vote? What makes you think I was deliberately misrepresenting information?

Why apologize? Trying to appeal to me already?

VOTE: Postie

I was trying to be courteous. Could you please answer my question?

And thus began the start of what I'm going to call the could-you-can-you tell, where as scum I have a habit of starting a question with the words "could you..." or "can you..." (usually it's "can you...", but "could you..." shows up occasionally).
Idk if that's what you're using, but if it's not then it's probably something similar, or related.

In that game, however, unlike any other game where the could-you-can-you tell has applied, I was town, and that's why its context is important.
You'll notice that in the above exchange the way I'm interacting with Fugitive comes across as extremely forced. That's because it is. Asides from general newbie awkwardness, I was annoyed at the way Fugitive kept overreacting and so I forced myself to be polite because I didn't really want to get into an unnecessary argument with them.

In future games, I loosened up a bit and so never could-you-can-you'd again. Except in my scum games, of course, and that's because this tell is a sign that I'm not acting 100% naturally and forcing my responses.

It doesn't apply in the context of my interactions with Yume for the same reason it didn't apply back then. I was ready to just tell Yume to get lost but I figured actually trying with her was going to be more productive, not to mention just kind-of nicer.
I considered censoring myself, but quite frankly, I'm not going to choose to interact with someone in a shitty way that's less likely to get them to change their mind in order to keep to someone else's perception of my town meta.

So there you have it. Any questions?

Meta defense

When you ask those "could you can you" questions as scum, what ultimately is your goal? Why is it different than your goal in (say) 126?

this tell is a sign that I'm not acting 100% naturally and forcing my responses

Like there's no goal it's just a thing I naturally do when I'm being unnatural.

Oh wow I just realised I've only could-you'd once. I probably was censoring myself originally then lol.

*can-you'd

I guess what I'm looking for is, why would anyone consider basic politeness scummy?

Because I've done it in every one of my scum games and none of my towngames with the exception of my first game.
RC has a spreadsheet on my tells and I don't see why this wouldn't be on it since it's one of the first things I noticed I did after the disaster that was Open 636.

something something schrödinger's cat

Clumsy is more of a neutral to townlean for us. His posts seem really natural and generally townie. He hasn’t done a ton yet, but we’re getting good vibes from him so far.

Gimme more details on this?

Hmmn. I actually like the look of Ranger's reads this game.

Why's Ircher town?

Why am I nit town?

This is scum.
VOTE: Postie

[Ircher]

You didn't necessarily have to vote the top wagon @Shotty that was @L-2, you could've just said who'd you vite for RVS

you seemed very paranoid

And thats a scumtell cuz?

Yeah, cuz I've been Qhammered / lolhammered before at L-1 (Again, looking primarily at you, Katsuki)

[Ircher]

VOTE:YUME

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Like seriously, stop pulling stunts.

lel angry scum caught trying to push a stupid vote

Don't make the same mistake twice

--- Though you weere scum that game you lolhammered me; if ur town, stop and rethink.

[Ircher]

Because Ircher is a super easy mislynch and I don't think he is legitimately scummy. His "return to RVS" was bizarre but I don't think it's from scum.
And the wagon got to L-1 way too easily.

That is a stupid argument. My games nominated for BEST TOWN PERFORMANCES have involved some of the quickest and easiest scum lynches ever on the history of this site (one mini concluded in 3hrs game time between D1 and D2, while the other ended in about 3-4 days RL time).

And that's why your stupid Qhammer in Mini 1777 cost town the game.

[Ircher]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

[Ircher]

I've always wondered what Ircher would look like as scum. I tried to tell him in previous games (after I exploited it) that his gameplay is way too easy to lynch, and that that wasn't going to serve him well no matter WHAT alignment he was. Seems like that is still the case.

... that, however, in no way means he's town. So Postie, you're really going to have to walk me through that unvote.

Nah, I lurk more as scum --> I literally let RC hand me a victory in Newbie 1708.

[Ircher]

Oh, and

not game-related

Spoiler:

@RC I hear you has an alt?

Don't we all have alts?

[Ircher]

You got me message, did you not pre-game.

[Ircher]

Also:

L-1

Lazy kids.

[Ircher]

I've always wondered what Ircher would look like as scum. I tried to tell him in previous games (after I exploited it) that his gameplay is way too easy to lynch, and that that wasn't going to serve him well no matter WHAT alignment he was. Seems like that is still the case.

... that, however, in no way means he's town. So Postie, you're really going to have to walk me through that unvote.

Nah, I lurk more as scum --> I literally let RC hand me a victory in Newbie 1708.

No, you let the fail newbies hand you a victory.

I was trying to vote scum on MyLo.

You led the D2 mislynch then I let town strangle itself D3. I was by all means prepared to bus Caken whenever it was convenient that game. You also did way too much setup spec that game.

[Ircher]

Ah fuck it

UNVOTE:

I need more time to decide who gets into the neighbourhood anyway, and CatDog needs to talk to me.

[Ircher]

Ranger is town. SirCakez is town. CatDog is meh. Shotty might be scum. Fate might be town. RC is meh. Klingon is meh. Massive might be scum. Katsuki is scum. Postie is scum. Clumsy might be scum.

[Ircher]

Spoiler:

Why, I don't have an alt, I am an alt

I know who your main is. I like your alt much better fyi.

Bet no one knows who my alt is

[Ircher]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

[Ircher]

Spoiler:

No, it was that newbie where you did some serious slipping. I think your main got replaced.....

Pedit: RC is an idiot. RC got an anonymous message from me pre-game.

[Ircher]

Soft-Claimed during Pre-Game

That's my soft-claim ^^^^^

[Ircher]

Now, if RC refuses to unvote me or at least verify my soft-claim, then RC is scum upon my flip.

[Ircher]

I want to say Postie is scum, but reflexive neighborizer might be town actually.

[Ircher]

ircher stop lining up lynches

You have no meta with me except those 2 super bastard fallout shelter marathon games where you intervened way too many times in.

[Ircher]

Stop thinking you can read me in 10 pages, you can't.

[Ircher]

DO NOT DISCUSS ONGOING GAMES ^^^^

[Ircher]

And, if I were scum, you could ignore me post-lynch.

And ur still wrong. Those bastard games don't count cuz of how many times you intervened.

[Ircher]

The game you modded -- This is not even close to the way I played there.

[Ircher]

ircher I mentioned nothing about ongoing games so drop it before one of us does, and do not use site rules to try and change the subject!

I cant think of any games I played with you that aren't ongoing.

[Ircher]

I forgot Freedom uPick.

Also:

UNVOTE: Postie

No hammers.

[Ircher]

(I think Shotty's vote put Postie to L-1; not definite.)

[Ircher]

Are you sure, it's been awhile since the VC.

[Ircher]

Yes, meh 0 Null.

Postie is my biggest scumread. Katsuki mainly cuz his refusal to answer Q / dodging all around / etc.

[Ircher]

Calm down kat, I'm telling you it's a ircher postie team, don't let them get to you

Why do you suggest only a 2p mafia team?

[Ircher]

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

Now when was it assumed that I was not paying attention?

When you voted Yume, the conf!town IC, 10 pages in.

[Ircher]

Calm down kat, I'm telling you it's a ircher postie team, don't let them get to you

Why do you suggest only a 2p mafia team?

sigh, read ircher, iso me and fucking read.

You're dodging the Q: Why do you suggest

only 2p

team?

[Ircher]

Calm down kat, I'm telling you it's a ircher postie team, don't let them get to you

Why do you suggest only a 2p mafia team?

sigh, read ircher, iso me and fucking read.

You're dodging the Q: Why do you suggest

only 2p

team?

have you iso'd me yet? you are going to feel really stupid

Yes. I know why you think Postie & I are scum, but you're still dodgingmy question.

Why do you suggest

only

2p

team?

[Ircher]

But, what makes you presume this setup has an SK is my Q?

[Ircher]

But, what makes you presume this setup has an SK is my Q?

You said the scumteam is just me & Postie.

1+1=2.

Now, what makes you presume there's an SK in this setup?

[Ircher]

Calm down kat, I'm telling you it's a ircher postie team, don't let them get to you

1+1 = 2.

Never mentioned a "C" person

[Ircher]

VOTE: Postie

[Ircher]

VOTE: Postie

and the desperate attempts to gain town cred

I already explained why I unvoted.

Also, I engaged in that earlier argument with ya for fun --> It didn't really have a purpose other than reaction testing you by exaggerating something you said.

Don't ask what I was looking for in said reaction test --> I don't think about those parameters in advanced.

[Ircher]

.... Someone please vig Shotty....

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

I am not gonna argue with you about this. You are impossible to convince anyway. However, if Ircher's scum, Postie is too.

p-edit: Again, if he considers himself a smart player, then doing it on a whim is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

But I'm town over 80% of the time!!!

[Ircher]

Alright, fullclaim since you guys are playing sheep whoever you like.

I am Money (Insurance Agent). I targeted RC during pre-game. If RC dies, I gain 1-Shot abilities dependent on how long after I started the insurance policy that RC died. RC should've received a message from the mod along the lines of someone taking out an investment policy on them.

RC is prob. just be stubborn for no good reason right now.

[Ircher]

Ranger and SirCakez are my two townreads. Massive (unfortunately) is pretty high in terms of towniness.

Fate and Katsuki are scum. Postie is possibly scum. Shotty should be vigged.

[Ircher]

And RC, Klingon, Catdog, and Clumsy are neutral.

[Ircher]

It was gonna be RC or Ranger cuz both are good scumhunters.

I chose RC cuz I figured town!RC was the more likely of the two to get NK'd.

[Ircher]

.................You don't buy my claim?

[Ircher]

Also, as an fyi, one of the abilities (but it's like 9 phases to get) is Friendly Neighbor.

[Ircher]

Why don't you believe it @Shotty?

Also, ur unreadable

[Ircher]

Last of all, I can change my target any night (this resets the reward thresholds though), and the old player will be notified that the insurance was canceled.

[Ircher]

1) Yes, ofc they should
2) Why are you going so far to doubtcast me. The better idea is to let me change my insurance to someone else (Ranger perhaps?) and let them confirm me.

[Ircher]

mod

do scum get fake claims? not saying he made it up but I could see ut giving it as a fake claim.

This is technically a townslip, but I don't buy the "slip"

[Ircher]

And I'm not really seeing where you think I used it to rolefish.

Considering this is uPick role madness, I buy your intentions.

In a normal game, I could see it as an attempt to see who has an active ability & who doesn't.

[Ircher]

So let me get this straight, Ircher, you submitted "Money" in a Literally Anything U-Pick? Do I even want to know what else you submitted?

I'm going to wait for RM to post before moving my vote, if I even do.

1. King Arthur
2. Money
3. Blackhole

[Ircher]

So let me get this straight, Ircher, you submitted "Money" in a Literally Anything U-Pick? Do I even want to know what else you submitted?

I'm going to wait for RM to post before moving my vote, if I even do.

1. King Arthur
2. Money
3. Blackhole

Also, what's wrong with money?

[Ircher]

Or maybe I'm just concerned that you wouldn't move your vote off someone who claimed an obvtown role and are now reaching for reasons to get on my wagon after I called you out on it.

Wasn't the same said about those on the Yume wagon originally

[Ircher]

VOTE: Massive

I'll take your offer.

[Ircher]

@RC
You going to confirm you got a message pre-game from the mod

[Ircher]

I think I fucked up
RC is scum, Postie is town

Join the massive wagon?

[Ircher]

Postie learned to bus from me.

Massive may be scum but postie is scum 100%

With as many times as you've been right before, I can't help but feel your wrong this time.

[Ircher]

He's more engaged then he usually is as scum
In College Mafia he was just kind of floating around, not pushing anyone, all game

I can agree with that statement. In both the Minis I played (1755 and 1769), massive was barely there imo.

VOTE: Postie

Back to this

[Ircher]

He is in general lurksome. I just think that SirCakez's observation that he lurks even more as scum is prob too.

[Ircher]

If you think Ircher came up with this himself then I don't know how to help you.

So let me get this straight. You think the mod got "Money" as a role request and decided that was close enough to "Insurance" and just went ahead and made the role however he wanted it? And that it took Ircher three posts to disclose the full width and breadth of his role just because he was feeling expository? Because I think this looks EXACTLY like something Ircher would make up.

Why is it that everything single game I play with you, you deathtunnel me?

[Ircher]

Again, it literally said "Money (Insurance Agent) as the role name.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Klingon

Shotty should be vigged, not lynched.

[Ircher]

Everyone sheep Cakez.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Shotty

L-2

Pedit: That was so funny btw. No one remembered that I had gotten off that wagon!

Pedit2: I'm fine with PLing you if we can agree elsewhere

[Ircher]

You want to policy lynch me if we can agree elsewhere? I'm confused.

*can't.

[Ircher]

1) You're unreadable
2) You rather annoy me in mafia games
3) You're not really being useful.
4) It's possible you are scum.

[Ircher]

{Cakez-san, Ircher-kun, Radiant-sempai}
{Katsuki-san, Fate-hakase}
{inu-neko-chan, shotty-hakase}
{Postie-chan}
{Clumsy-kun, Klingoncelt-chan}
{massive-san}
I'm so tireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed~~~
(v.v)

Town - Yume, Ircher, Postie
Nulltown - Ranger, massive
Null - CatDog, Katsuki
Nullscum - drmyshottyizsik, Fate, Clumsy
Scum - RC, Klingoncelt

new reads!

I've read everything, but I don't think anything's changed~~~
(-.-)

Ranger-wa will still try and help though!

VOTE: Postie-chan.

L-1~~~

I was going to curse out Yume but it was all fake cool

VOTE: shotty
Can't get any pressure on Klingon so this is next best

These two people are the ones I townread the most right now.

Out of the two, the scumread they share in common is Klingon, so I'd be willing to put my vote there instead.

[Ircher]

I already found scum. Maybe even two, still think UT is better than >> money << INSURANCE! At this point I am here just to push the wagon.

Also if we PL based on #4 we should all die.

I'd rather vig you, but it seems none of the other wagons really have any support.

I'd lynch Fate, Klingon, or Postie right now, but out of those, I prob. prefer Fate. Klingon is lynchable cuz its the only scumread both SirCakez and Ranger hold in common. Postie is just flailing and having reflexive loverizer is not useful at all for town (well, it is, but vastly neg. util), so I'd be ok with a lynch there too.

Pedit: Basically, except this is town!Ircher (and as an fyi, I'm a lot more active here than I was in that newbie you modded.... Keep that in mind)

[Ircher]

Yume please return your vote to Ircher. I will vouch for Katuski's inability to explain himself and overall stubbornness

It maybe Katsuki's style, but that isn't an excuse to let him get away with every single anti-town behavior he does. Like, that's basically Katsuki's excuse for everything. What's with the WKing here? (Literally, WIFOM is his excuse for everything)

Katsuki literally does not think it matters in the slightest that he voted you after you were confirmed.

There was 0% chance you were getting lynched, this is the idea you still haven't gotten into your head since your discussion with (Clumsy?) on page 2-3.

Painting Katsuki as scum for "voting the IC" is beyond retarded at the level of play Katsuki and I deem acceptable

It is absolutely not retarded. Voting the IC IS a scummy behavior; it seeks attn and due to the stupid WIFOM argument (Oh, scum would

never

do that cuz it's too flashy!), Katsuki gets away with it. Katsuki did later say he read, so I want to know the real reason why he decided it was okay to vote the IC 10 pages after the confirmation. Even if it is a null thing, I

want

to know the reasons behind it. Again, stop the insults and explain the WKing going on here.

Pedit: Who knows?

[Ircher]

VOTE:YUME

Blatant suggestion of not reading.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

See above for vote reason.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

You voted the IC 10 pages in.

Why not.

VOTE: IRCHER

Nice, an OMGUS vote.

VOTE:YUME

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Like seriously, stop pulling stunts.

This is not a scumtell; it's null all-around.

VOTE:YUME

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Like seriously, stop pulling stunts.

lel angry scum caught trying to push a stupid vote

Vote wasn't stupid, and anger/frustration isn't a scumtell.

It's ok shotty, put him out of his misery.

Just read #196, he clearly knows I'm town, he's not even trying to justify a scumread on me. He is scum.

Buddying Shotty; also, what made you get that stupid conclusion for 196?

I was town when I quickhammered you. Camn was the scum.

But you're still dodging my question. Luckily your reaction is enough of an answer.

Didn't really dodge it since it was self-explanatory.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

An answer since you refuse to connect the dots.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Literally being dense on purpose when it's clear what I meant....

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

I elaborate anyway.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

Now when was it assumed that I was not paying attention?

And this is just blatantly stupid and scummy. I already explained why I assumed you weren't paying attn. Now you're just going in circles.

The point is that Ircher accused you of not seeing that I am IC, not that I am getting lynched....stop trying to twist others' words.....

Not much point in discussing with the IC, but that's not what happened.

Then what did happen?

No real point, not particularly interested in determining your alignment.

Yes, meh 0 Null.

Postie is my biggest scumread. Katsuki mainly cuz his refusal to answer Q / dodging all around / etc.

Just saying, my Katsuki read stands.

Yes, meh 0 Null.

Postie is my biggest scumread. Katsuki mainly cuz his refusal to answer Q / dodging all around / etc.

MY refusal to answer Q??? YOURE THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DODGING ALL MY QUESTIONS YOU SCUMFUCK

1) Don't insult people
2) Huge overreaction considering I had by that point reasonably answered your Q, even if the logic is poor.

Yes, meh 0 Null.

Postie is my biggest scumread. Katsuki mainly cuz his refusal to answer Q / dodging all around / etc.

MY refusal to answer Q??? YOURE THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DODGING ALL MY QUESTIONS YOU SCUMFUCK

You are the one who refuses to explain stuff to me and others. >.>

I already answered you out of respect for the fact that you're an IC, otherwise I would simply have ignored your comment.

Now I hope we can move on because I don't plan on addressing another post of yours on this matter.

More AtE and overreaction.

Wait, VOTE: Katsuki for not paying attn.

lol so what about it makes be scum?

Yume is confirmed town.

And so, how does that make me scum?

Not paying attn == More likely scum.

Now when was it assumed that I was not paying attention?

When you voted Yume, the conf!town IC, 10 pages in.

Again, I elaborate even though what I was saying was easy to infer.

Fate you can clean up this clownfest I'm done.

Buddying with Fate. Don't like it.

I gave you a response. You're just an absolute dumbfuck with a lack of comprehensive ability.

1) Again, don't insult other people's intelligence (especially when you are the one who is being stubborn)
2) You gave like what? Half a response at best?

Can't do much more than lynch scum at this point and wait for Yume to die and drmy to get vigged, Katsuki

Hold out a bit longer

Sigh you don't know how hard these past few years have been.

I will note that I was aware of Yume's IC status when I voted her. I'm sure that you knew that though.

That confession just makes it worse. (Also note the continued buddying of Fate). So, you did something blatantly anti-town, stubbornly decided to engage in circles with Yume and me, and created all this WIFOM in an attempt for towncred. I want you to explain your true motives asap.

VOTE: SHOTTY

Ok, my vote was bad, but this one is too. Too opportunistic imo.

VOTE: Katsuki - Stop throwing WIFOM everywhere and start engaging

[Ircher]

@Ranger
Why do you townread Katsuki and Fate?

[Ircher]

So, yeah, @Shotty -- I'll give you a few choices:

1) We PL you
2) We lynch Klingon (Compromise lynch for me; nothing strikes as scummy there but nothing really looks town there either)
3) We lynch Fate (If Fate flips scum, then I would highly suspect Katsuki as partner)
4) We lynch Katsuki (In general, being antitown; also commited an anti-town move for WIFOM purposes, association with Fate, and finally, is being more unreadable than you).

[Ircher]

You're right. Scum are lynchers to ICs, it is part of their win condition to lynch the IC. That must be why the scum are in such a frenzy to lynch you, because otherwise they lose the game!

Damn, I didn't think anyone would catch me like that...

Explain what you were trying to accomplish.

[Ircher]

Katsuki -- Can you ever answer a simple Q without insulting other people's intelligence/Using heavy WIFOM as a defense?

[Ircher]

I think Katsuki should be vigged... Then Shotty.

[Ircher]

His claim was as good as this,
hey guys I submitted taco bell, and I am diarrhea, each night I can either choose to infect someone's colon or make all infected people shit uncontrollably during the night, rendering them useless.

I submitted taco bell, and I am diarrhea

taco bell/diarrhea

cause/effect

(The mod and I are gonna have a post-game discussion about this it seems.....)

[Ircher]

I already found scum. Maybe even two, still think UT is better than >> money << INSURANCE! At this point I am here just to push the wagon.

Also if we PL based on #4 we should all die.

I'd rather vig you, but it seems none of the other wagons really have any support.

I'd lynch Fate, Klingon, or Postie right now, but out of those, I prob. prefer Fate. Klingon is lynchable cuz its the only scumread both SirCakez and Ranger hold in common. Postie is just flailing and having reflexive loverizer is not useful at all for town (well, it is, but vastly neg. util), so I'd be ok with a lynch there too.

Pedit: Basically, except this is town!Ircher (and as an fyi, I'm a lot more active here than I was in that newbie you modded.... Keep that in mind)

So what you're saying is that you joined a game having no intention of thinking for yourself.

There's no reason to rely on others' reads.

If you plan on voting for me, you'd better be able to build a case on your own.

Sheeping is a perfectly valud strategy for both town and scum.

[Ircher]

Klingoncelt, how about you?

No night actions.

You shouldn't rolefish like that. It's super-duper scummy.

So what?

[Ircher]

^

[Ircher]

Except, I'm into this game, my reads just are all over the place and I'm not confident in all but two of them.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Postie

Ranger's prob. right.....

[Ircher]

If it's Postie/RC, I'd rather see Postie lynched first.

Not because of anything RC did this game, but because RC is a good scumhunter in general.

[Ircher]

Heh if RC is scum he'll lynch all the other scum for us

Sorry. I'm more frustrated with this situation than I am with you.

You should probably take a look at this, and RC's explanation of it post-game, which stars here.
He's not threatening to break the rules, because self-hammering isn't against the rules if you believe it's a pro-town thing to do. RC is kinda in a similar situation here, except he's incorrectly scumreading me. If you put him to L-1 I have every reason to believe he will self-hammer and believe he's being pro-town.

Two good reasons why not to let RC be lynched today, alongside RC's scumhunting skill.

@Postie - It's my opinion, but I think RC is a better scumhunter than you; no offense intended here.

[Ircher]

Practically everyone minus Cakez and Ranger.

[Ircher]

I guess Klingon/Cat/Massive count as neutral

[Ircher]

I guess....
VOTE: Klingon

I'm really bad at mafia.....

Pedit: You play to win con. That's the rule. Not playing to win con however does not always require moderator action. Besides, RC gives ultimatums all the time.

[Ircher]

@massive
Besides presumably me, who else do you scumread?

[Ircher]

Your not helping your case.....

[Ircher]

Being scummy on purpose just to manipulate meta doesn't sound like a reasonable defense.....

[Ircher]

Postie, why should I believe that you're town if I'm scumreading you as hard as I am?

Because you should know that when I'm town at times I prioritise doing pro-town things over looking town and that's

mainly why I've been superficially scummy this game.

You have no idea how much I would have censored the fuck out of most of the scummy shit I've done this game if I were actually scum.

[Ircher]

"I'm being scummy on purpose."

[Ircher]

Postie, why should I believe that you're town if I'm scumreading you as hard as I am?

Because you should know that when I'm town at times I prioritise doing pro-town things over looking town and that's

mainly why I've been superficially scummy this game.

You have no idea how much I would have censored the fuck out of most of the scummy shit I've done this game if I were actually scum.

[Ircher]

mainly why I've been superficially scummy this game.

"I'm being scummy on purpose."

Are you interpreting the word "superficial" to mean "on purpose" here? Because...

Somewhat.

It's the way you worded it (or at least it appeared) the first time I read.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

RC, you had better answer that question that you promised to answer in Twilight now.

Never got to this huh? And how do you know there is no framer in this setup? It is Literally Anything uPick.

Fyi : I didn't switch targets due to the way my role works.

[Ircher]

I get a tracker shot if RC is lynched!

Ok, but I'd rather lynch Fate tbh.
VOTE: Fate

[Ircher]

WHY ARE WE QUICKLYNCHING?????

[Ircher]

Ugh... Someone unvote; Fate could hammer

[Ircher]

I'd do a Fate, Clumsy, or Massive wagon, in that order.

[Ircher]

I poe'd him that game, but didn't articulate it well.

(Pisskop should've been dead sooner tbh; he ended up being a huge liability in LyLo)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Massive

[Ircher]

SirCakez is dead....

[Ircher]

Srry, I forgot.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Seriously?!

[Ircher]

DONT LOCK IT YET!!!

[Ircher]

I tracked Clumsy who went no where (and unfortunately was the nk.)

Fate needs to die.

VOTE: Fate

[Ircher]

RC was town and Fate was RC's biggest scumread, alongside you.

[Ircher]

That's more than enough reason to qlynch Fate.

[Ircher]

Lol is it? You seem to be forcing it. Aren't you one of fate's biggest scum reads? Couldn't, by your logic, you just as easily be scum as fate?
VOTE: ircher

Scum are keeping me alive simply because they expect to ML me.

[Ircher]

Lol is it? You seem to be forcing it. Aren't you one of fate's biggest scum reads? Couldn't, by your logic, you just as easily be scum as fate?
VOTE: ircher

Fate is not confirmed town rn. RC is.

[Ircher]

Are you blind? (Rhetorical, don't answer)

RADIANTCOWBELLS WAS LYNCHED YESTERDAY AND FLIPPED TOWN!!!!

DEAD TOWNIES ARE ALWAYS CONFIRMED TOWN, AND IF THE MOD IS LYING ABPUT ALIGNMENT FLIPS, THEN THAT'S SUPER BASTARD AND PROBABLY NOT THE CASE FOR THIS GAME.

[Ircher]

RadiantCowbells,

Annie [Town]

, lynched Day 2

RadiantCowbells

You are

Annie Hastur (

Seeking Mason

)

.



You are looking for your bear Tibbers. Each night you may target another player and you will be told if they are your bear Tibbers.

You win when there are no threats remaining to the town, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Yume,

Urwen [Town]

, expired Day 2

Night actions are due 6/28 at 10am EST

[Ircher]

VOTE: Massive

[Ircher]

Confirmed town <> confirmed correct. Aaaaaand you should know that.

We'll lynch Fate tomorrow then.

[Ircher]

Well, he's wrong, but probably can't actually do anything other than vote to explain it, and I don't want him to do anything to explain it.

Ranger going along with it makes sense, she was claiming to scumread me yesterday.

Ircher is probably still scum and is lining up mislynches (since I doubt Fate-scum makes quite so grand a gesture). Never mind that what he quoted me about was about him flat-out believing RC, and he somehow managed to twist it to be about Fate.

Katsuki's been blind-voting with the wind the whole game, so this isn't scummy in itself, but the whole pattern could be.

I don't know about Shotty. I don't think Shotty pushes so hard on Postie if he's scum.

The real interesting response in there is probably Catdog, who seems happy to stay away from this wagon (and the game in general) and feign "misunderstanding"

VOTE: Ircher

You're dead already.

[Ircher]

Ew. That's a nasty piece of scum business then. I guess town best hope that Fate's vote doesn't count.

Shotty, Kat, Fate, Ircher, Ranger is more than enough votes

[Ircher]

Ranger did decent I feel.

[Ircher]

Ooh, I know what I am definitely nominating Ranger for

[Ircher]

Oh, and Untrod -- I question the fact that you decided "Insurance Agent" was close enough to "Money"

[Ircher]

Ranger definitely was the strongest of the scum players but I don't think her play was like amazing scummy nom worthy? Maybe just my opinion.

Not scum scummy, nope.

But I did nominate Ranger for Kodak.

[Ircher]

Yep

[Ircher]

Like, the 3 lowest post counts were scum. Scum total had half the posts that a single player did who got lynched day 1.

They won but I don't think any of them played at all noteworthy.

Post count is a shit indicator of play. If anything, the less number of posts required for a win the more impressive.

Which is why I always want to lynch lurkers.

Good scumplay should not be lurking imo.

[Ircher]

No, it isn't.

[Ircher]

But seriously, in spite of my ranting in-thread about the posting restriction, this game was a blast. I didn't

have

to go all-out for my posting restriction (it was actually very loose; I probably coulda gotten away with a single ~ every other post and had it pass), but it was very enjoyable to. From the moment I got the role, I instantly knew what my first post was gonna be. My only regret is that the game didn't go on long enough for me to use the restriction even

more

. (For the nerdy, I actually did do some research on terms to use, too.)

That post restriction was awesome and hilarious!

[Ircher]

what was this game's number?