Mini 1795: Science [GAME OVER]

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: cabd

Shame shame for no rvs!!

[Javajoe24]

Actually.... I have a reason for this that will become apparent as the game progresses.

UNVOTE:

[Javajoe24]

Am I the only one having trouble understanding shos?

[Javajoe24]

Ok, so you guys know, I am a double voter. I hinted at it earlier and that's the reason I unvoted after my first vote.

[Javajoe24]

Ok

VOTE: magma

[Javajoe24]

I don't like the fact that Sheldon and shos voted magna right after I did simply to prove my double vote. After the next vote count my vote is going on one of you two

[Javajoe24]

Oh, my lord Java.
I voted MoI following 56 because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.
Assuming that you scumread him as well, did you ever think to consider that we voted him for the same reasons that you did as opposed to 'because' you did?

Touché

[Javajoe24]

You caught me! Dang your good....

[Javajoe24]

UNVOTE:

[Javajoe24]

Why should we support your wagon? Sell me....

[Javajoe24]

I found it odd that no one found it odd or mentioned it until now.

[Javajoe24]

I voted MoI following 56 because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.

“Hey look – I’ll try to both peddle that MoI is somehow both doubting the claim and putting too much faith in it at the same time.”

This is so bad even Wolowitz wouldn’t come up with it.

Wonder whose Alt you are ...

I don't think that either his claim or his role are alignment indicative under these circumstances.

Show me an example of a single scum double-voter in a 10-3 setup. I am serious in this request.

And don’t respond with “Outguess the Mod”. A scum double-voter greatly changes the dynamic of a 10-3 set-up. Until the point where there is evidence that supports Town having significant power to overcome that dynamic change I’m pleased to slot Java as Town and filter his posts through that lens in my reads.

You don't think there's game relevant content in post 26, Sales?

VOTE: Cabd

I lol'ed at the last part!

[Javajoe24]

@Cakes: Too late, i've already given my reads!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

How does that contradict?

Too calm implies it's scummy
Then saying you don't think he could fake that calm implies townie

Which is it?

I have never found "too calm" to be scummy, from my experience scum tend to be more defensive when under pressure. The calm ones tend to be town.

[Javajoe24]

Lucy...... You got some splainen to do......

Directed to MOI for the things pointed out in post 133

[Javajoe24]

So many long posts.... I will try to catch back up when I have more time, just on break at work now

[Javajoe24]

I'm here guys, sorry about that, been really busy the past few days. Will catch up soon!!

[Javajoe24]

I'm still here, nothing to add right now of importance

[Javajoe24]

I am not contributing to this game the way I would like. If I can't post a full post tomorrow I will Monday, as I am off that day. Really sorry guys, going through a rough divorce right now, court etc.

[Javajoe24]

Caught up for the most part and finally feel comfortable enough in a scum read to use my vote.

VOTE: kuroi

I don't like his 314 or 315 as certain elements of the posts seem to contradict one another and don't read to me as actual scum hunting, and more like fabricating reads.

[Javajoe24]

mod, please replace me. I got too much going on in RL, what I PM'ed you about. sorry

[Javajoe24]

mod: if it is not too late I would like to stay in the game, sorry if I have already been replaced

[Javajoe24]

Ok, so I noticed anti hasn't posted since I requested to be replaced so I am assuming it's ok to stay in this game. A lot has gone down, and I am pretty sure I know who scum is. Shos
I am helium, in the hood with me seeks and cakes. I am a double voter, which I think doesn't fit with my element, so shos' argument is invalid.

[Javajoe24]

Intent to vote shos after I find out the actual vote count

[Javajoe24]

Shos is scum, also anen is looking like possible partner, but weak read on that. Also, noticed he has already been hammered, so my vote is useless, along with your unvote cabd.

[Javajoe24]

Fine then!

VOTE: shos

[Javajoe24]

What is a census taker? I just looked on the wiki but couldn't find anything and the role pm listed doesn't seem to explain alot

[Javajoe24]

Cakes, can you tell me roughly the number of posts you each have in your neighbourhood, and about neighbourhood activity levels in general?

Sircakez 15 posts
Meseeks 12 posts
Javajoe 12 posts
Antihero 1 post
Being elements, priceless

[Javajoe24]

@Meseeks, Cakez, Java

assuming there's exactly 1 scum in the hood who do you think it is?

Cakez. Considering in the hood he said meseeks is most likely scum in the hood and now that I have people pushing my wagon he does a 360.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: cakez

I am going to assume there is at least one scum in the hood, and my bet is on cakez over meseeks

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: chilled tea

This is L-1

[Javajoe24]

Fine

VOTE: anen

[Javajoe24]

If you guys are serious about lynching me, then don't do it without giving an intent. This part is important. If you guys fail to heed this, then I do not take responsibility for my lynch since I am frequently limited access these days and I might not see the wagon itself, like in this case the wagon apparently reached L-1 and also went back without me in the picture.

Generally I won't be saying this but I kind of have little confidence in this town considering shos lynch and the way it went. That too happened in my absence and the activity skyrocketed in the last 2 days before the deadline.

Strangely enough I get a town vibe from this post

[Javajoe24]

Well I wasn't voting anyone either until recently, but that's cause of my double vote. I have been trying to use it carefully

[Javajoe24]

Now I figure it is best to use it for pressure than to let it sit around and do nothing

[Javajoe24]

I did not avoid talking in the hood??? Where is that coming from?

[Javajoe24]

I honestly didn't notice your question in the hood. It is answered now

[Javajoe24]

Spoiler: Javajoe iso map

Javajoe 876

Aneninen

-700 ☾ v845

Cabd

v14 uv15 =700 ☾

chilledtea

☾ v838 ++866

Fire Assassin

=78 ☾

GuyInFreezer

=78 ☾

KuroiXHF

v352 ☾ =870

Mr Meeseeks

=696 ☾ =720 =776 =815

SheldonCooper

-68 =71 ☾ =776

SirCakez

=96 =696 ☾ =720 -776 v815 =873 =876

Travelling Salesman

=80 ☾ =720

---

shos

=50 -68 =74 -696 -697 -700 v702 ✝

MagnaOfIllusion

v57 uv76 =85 -136 ✝

It's mildly interesting that the people he's interacted with the most are dead. Java, when you came back into the game towards the end of day 1, you developed a strong scumread on shos in 696 but you didn't explain it very thoroughly. Can you talk some about why you were so sure that shos was scum?

Can you also talk some about your scumread on SirCakes? You explain it a little bit in 776, but I'd like to hear more about your read and where it's coming from. Also please talk about your townread on Meeseeks.

The first mention of chilledtea in your ISO is 838, where you put him at L-1. Can you talk about your scumread on chilledtea?


I can see why Seldon thought he could be scum with Tea, but I think Fire Assassin is a lot more likely to be scum than either of them, and while I don't see anything here that screams he's not scum together with Fire Assassin, there's nothing in this iso that makes me think they have to be aligned, and like with tea i can see some things in posts that indicate more that he's just having trouble keeping up with the game due to real life stuff than anything. I think there needs to be more to the case on him than inactivity.

I didn't have a scum read on chilled tea. I got tired of saving my votes and decided that they would be put to better use to pressure people and chilled tea was the only one available at the time to put pressure on. I have played several games with cakez as scum. Most of which I was his partner for, and I feel like his posting style here fits his posting style as scum in the other games. Meseeks posts seem more genuine and towny feeling to me.

[Javajoe24]

Oh, and shos, I have forgotten my exact reason for scum reading him so hard, but I do remember it was one specific post that caught my eye of his while I was doing my catch up but I cannot remember which one exactly right now. I will try to find it later if you are still interested

[Javajoe24]

an element for CRT screens

man, this isnt what it is, but it is absolutely hilarious how you say this and say theres no possiblity for investigative

like what

Oh yeah...uh...yeah...CRT screens are...investigative roles because...spies...in the 90s...would sit and watch them....when spy cams were....existing...

This is the post that made me certain he was scum. He was saying that he couldn't be investigative because his element doesn't fit that flavor, but neither does mine. He seemed to be reaching greatly and struck me as scum flailing for a counter wagon. Obviously I was wrong, but I still say he acted scummy as hell.

[Javajoe24]

I don't even understand you, TS. You're voting me, not because I somehow jumped from strong town to scum to you, but because I'm a strong

town read

to you?

How is that supposed to make sense?

This is the first post from you that reads as coming from scum that I have picked up on...

[Javajoe24]

I hate to say it, Sheldon, but I've just realized I'm being hypocritical - tunneling Aneninen on his scum act, which began around the same time he started tunneling me.

That doesn't mean I'll unvote him. The lynch potential is there and I really think he's scum.

Then here is number two. Somewhat backtracking

[Javajoe24]

But ts, you asked me earlier about my scum read on cakez. First off, my scum read on cakez is not super strong, and is only present because I am assuming there is at least one scum in the hood. I have played several games with him as scum, most of which I was his partner in, and his posting style seems very similar to when he is scum. I will look more closely into it when I get a chance. I think he is more likely scum than meseeks because seeks posts come (came) off as more genuinely town and from a town mindset it seemed to me. But now I am starting to change my view on that with all these prod dodges when under scrutiny. I don't like to use activity as a tell though, because I know full well how much life can get in the way. Also in the hood cakez was saying how he thought that there was a scum in the hood and was sure it was seeks because of his claimed role, but then shortly after for no apparent reason did a 180 and said it must be me in the public topic. That strikes me as scummy.

[Javajoe24]

I'm not saying your scum, just pointing out things I noticed that I felt was scummy. Up til then I had not seen you act scummy at all. Still a town read for me though

[Javajoe24]

Welcome to the game Ranger. You are being almost universally scum read right now by most players, not sure why myself though.

[Javajoe24]

Im not saying she is close to lynch, I am saying almost all players said that they have a scum read on Meseeks.

[Javajoe24]

maybe you have been saying it often enough to make me think it was coming from everyone. I will have to go back and check..... but honestly i dont feel like it.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: Ranger

Omgus?

I know you had a scum read on meseeks, but you weren't voting him, and haven't given any reasons to vote ranger since she replaced in. At least give your reasons please. I would like to know the case on this slot because I don't really understand it. The only thing I can figure is if you are an investigative and got a guilty or something, which doesn't seem likely with the way you have been posting

[Javajoe24]

What specifically has she done that she is more likely to do as scum, and what specifically has she not done that she always does as town?

[Javajoe24]

Because what really seals her slots town read for me is the fact that she has an easy opportunity to push for my lunch and is town reading me instead. She knows I am an easy lynch, I am in the hood which is almost guaranteed to have scum in it, and yet she isn't pushing for my lynch. I don't agree with all her reads, because I have a town read on you, but I have played with her enough to respect her reads and take them into consideration

[Javajoe24]

Also, if anyone is wondering why my activity level has drastically improved, this is now the only game I am in technically. I am dead in all my others. Also, days off from work

[Javajoe24]

I don't know, it could be possible, but I have such a hard time reading ranger either way that I don't feel comfortable making that call yet. I feel more comfortable in my cakez read.

[Javajoe24]

Can the beta radiation PR help the scum in any way? The claim definitely feels genuine to me.

I see no use for that role as scum, absolutely none. And that role is so off the wall it must be true. I think it virtually confirms ranger as town.

[Javajoe24]

Sorry guys, my engagement level is really low this game.

My current reads:

Cabd is town. I am not interested in lynching Aneninen either. There were some things I didn't like about Javajoe, but I've talked to Plot about it and I think he's town too.

I think Sheldon could be scum, but unsure, want to look into him.

-bnl

I have not seen your engagement level as low this game. In fact I thought you were one of the most engaged players in this game. Is this a hydra head talking specifically about themselves?

[Javajoe24]

Four days left. Let's be mindful of this.

Fire Assassin needs to get lynched rather soon.

4 days is plenty of time, why are you trying to rush us into a lynch?

[Javajoe24]

radiantcowbells replaces sheldoncooper

What the?? He didn't even replace out. Does this mean Sheldon was RC's alt?

[Javajoe24]

I like the above post, but I am not sold on the ranger argument. Saying someone is scum because they didn't guess your main is crazy to me. I can see more about the disagreeing aspect of it, but you are using the inability of ranger guessing your main as your main argument. I agree that if you told fire assassin your main and someone else randomly found out somehow, that strongly suggests those two as scum. I am not lynching ranger today but I will lynch far or ct today.

[Javajoe24]

I am saying if we lynch favor ct today and they flip scum, we will lynch the other, then I would be willing to lynch ranger, but not now.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: FA

Unless I miscounted that is L-1

[Javajoe24]

what is your case on CT?

[Javajoe24]

Lol, nice one

[Javajoe24]

MoI scumread Ranger, for the record.

I don't see any other reason for anyone to kill them.

You act like they couldn't have bussed ranger if ranger is scum

[Javajoe24]

MoI scumread Ranger, for the record.

I don't see any other reason for anyone to kill them.

You act like they couldn't have bussed ranger if ranger is scum

Never mind, I'm a derp.

[Javajoe24]

I don't see any other reason for anyone to kill them.

Problem: I wasn't in the game until D2.

Now if you want to talk about DAVSTO, go ahead. Not that I can defend against that, since I'm not nearly familiar enough with him as a player (have we even played a game together?) to know his style, his history, what players he has and hasn't played with, how he'd treat them, and so on. But you'll stand a better chance of making an argument that's actually physically possible!

Do you know who you would've killed last night if you were scum with Ranger?

*ahem*

Never mind, I'm a derp.

And people wonder why I think SirCakez is the scum in the neighborhood.

Hey!!! What's that supposed to mean??

[Javajoe24]

Meeseeks emotional outburst was 100% town. And I am not going to read meeseeks as scum because of unconfirmed main and how he plays on that supposedly.

If I had a night kill I would 100% get rid of you though Travelling Salesman, you are being detrimental to progress.

Hate this post about if you had a night kill.

[Javajoe24]

FA is mostly what?? And how are you confirmed town again? I must have missed that... Although I haven't really been looking at you as scum you weren't confirmed town in my mind.

[Javajoe24]

Fine, I personally do not read ranger as scum, but I read ts and RC as town and will trust there judgement in this. Keep in mind my vote counts double when counting the votes.

VOTE: ranger

[Javajoe24]

Game is stupid but this is only way I see us progressing.
VOTE: Ranger

Pretty sure I just mislynched, but w/e I can't get you guys to lynch actual scum so not like theres a point.

If I am not mistaken ranger was already lynched before this vote, which makes this entire post scummy.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: kuroi

I have a very good reason for this vote that I may explain later, after I get a reply to a question from the mod.

[Javajoe24]

And what the heck is holomorphic?

[Javajoe24]

I have confirmation of my question from the mod. First of all, someone out there is amnesiac and sent me their investigation results last night. To that person, I say that the person you investigated is aligned with the universe. Because of this alignment, it brings me to the conclusion that kuroi is most likely scum. If you are the one that sent me the results and want to be confirmed later just tell me the person you investigated and I will confirm you. I will leave it at that for now.

[Javajoe24]

THE SETUP

• There are
  two factions
  in this game.
  THE UNIVERSE (town: 10 players)
  and
  ENTROPY (mafia: 3 players)
  .
  
• ENTROPY
  members may perform the factional kill and an active ability on the same night.
  
• All Private Topics will be open during every phase of the game.

THE UNIVERSE Win Condition:

you win when only players aligned with

THE UNIVERSE

remain

ENTROPY Win Condition:

you win when only players aligned with

ENTROPY

remain or nothing can prevent the same.

Notice that the two factions are the universe and entropy? The fact that you did not know this further solidifies my certainty that you are entropy. As for being investigative, if you read my post properly you would know that I am not investigative, but someone else sent their investigation results to me last night. Sircakez explained in the neighborhood that this is called an amnesiac role in which a player sends their investigation results to another player. Please read my post next time. And personally the fact that you jumped on fire assassin so quickly makes me believe he is town and is just an easy mostly children for you. Everyone jump on the kuroi wagon now please. He is scum

[Javajoe24]

No, the results were not on you, but after knowing this persons alignment, it makes me certain that you are scum. Strictly statistical speaking to me you have a 66.6% chance to be scum. Not including reading your posts, reads, votes, etc.

[Javajoe24]

You are bad at reading. I am saying you are 66.6% scum before even looking at any of your posts. This will make sense later once the person that sent me this result comes forward, but I am not going to show my full hand just yet.

[Javajoe24]

I will explain it to you later. But I am dropping it until the person that sent me the results claims

[Javajoe24]

What joke?

[Javajoe24]

Was it you that sent me the results?

[Javajoe24]

If it were you that sent them to me it would make sense

[Javajoe24]

No, I didn't get the joke. But I did get a pm confirming that you are town. That leaves two people unconfirmed that voted for ranger yesterday. Kuroi and RC. I think they both are likely scum, but I have my money on kuroi at least

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: RC

Both RC and Kuroi are scum, but I can't stand RCs last post...

[Javajoe24]

No, my double vote never turns off. And both kuroi and RC have a 66.6% chance of being scum from my perspective. There were 5 people on the ranger wagon yesterday and we know that at least one scum of not both were on that wagon. From my perspective three of the 5 are confirmed town, leaving just RC and Kuroi. Now with those two there is three different possibilities that can occur:

RC scum/Kuroi town
RC town/Kuroi scum
RC scum/Kuroi scum

Hence the 66.6%

And before you ask, no, I do not consider the possibility of both being town, it is simply not possible. So I do not care which of the two gets lynched, but my votes will stay on one of the two of them until they are lynched.

[Javajoe24]

Java's 1331. And who's the third scum?

Is there three scum? If there is I am not worried about looking for the third when I have two very likely ones pegged right now. And actually Kuroi, what you are saying makes no sense. I never said everyone voting ranger was scum, I said that out of the 5 that voted her, 3 have been confirmed town, and that makes you two very likely scum. And RC, saying no one regrets their vote is ludicrous considering it was a mostly children, and I said during my vote I didn't have a scum read on her, but was pressured into the vote because no other wagon was making any progress.

[Javajoe24]

I just went back to the first post to check, and yes there is 3 scum. For some reason I was under the impression there was only 2, my mistake. I do not have a read on who would be the third.

[Javajoe24]

RC-3 (java, Java, chilled tea)
Cakez -1 (RC)
Kuroi-1 ( fire assassin)
Fire assassin-2 (Kuroi, gif)

This is the current vote count as I can tell. It takes 5 to lynch.

[Javajoe24]

Kuroi you're probably his buddy sool

Kuroi you're probably his buddy soo

Stupid typo

If you think so why don't you vote him? If I am not mistaken you aren't voting anyone right now. I am perfectly happy with a Kuroi lynch as well.

[Javajoe24]

Chilled tea, would you be ok with a Kuroi lynch as well?

[Javajoe24]

No he's not. I am the first one to accuse you two of being scum buddies, remember?

VOTE: kuroi

[Javajoe24]

By the way,

Kuroi is at L-1

You should probably claim now or forever hold your peace.

[Javajoe24]

Interesting. You're the first person who's accused us of being scum buddies.

If so, who's our third buddy?

It is not necessary to try to find all three scum today. I think it is well enough that we have found 2 of them. We can find your other buddy when your lynched.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: RC

Both RC and Kuroi are scum, but I can't stand RCs last post...

Remember now?

[Javajoe24]

Well who did you investigate last night and what was your results?

[Javajoe24]

fucking unvote this wagon is so dumb why are we not lynching chilled or java?

Flail much?

[Javajoe24]

What is your case on me and chilled RC?

[Javajoe24]

I do not see why you would not give your results. What would be the negative result of giving the town your result.

[Javajoe24]

By the way GIF, I just looked at your message that anti sent me from you again, and there is a meme in it, but if it is a joke it goes over my head and I don't get it, lol.

[Javajoe24]

I'm bored on break at work. Break ends at 6:30. And I thought you said you only got flavor results. How could flavor results reveal anything important? Sounds like you didn't expect to be called out and are stalling for time to think of something.

[Javajoe24]

Suspicion is cast on you now and it is more important for town to prove your role than to wait to possibly disprove a lie. All you need to do is give your result and have that person prove your role by substantiating the result.

[Javajoe24]

Also, I am more active because for the first time in a long time I am sure of who is scum and working to get them lynched. Plus, this is my only game right now, normally I play like 4-5 at a time. Either way it isn't alignment indicative because as scum and town I am also inactive for the most part.

[Javajoe24]

People have claimed their roles. For example, we know that SirCakez is Francium but I don't want to tell everyone where he's gone or who's visited him.

Maybe I am misinterpreting your role. Can you clarify what your abilities are exactly? I will respond later. Back to work.

[Javajoe24]

People have claimed their roles. For example, we know that SirCakez is Francium but I don't want to tell everyone where he's gone or who's visited him.

Why not when it can prove your claimed role? Your avoidance of this makes you even more sketchy to me than you already were.

[Javajoe24]

Yes, it may change my view if your results are corroborated by another player.

[Javajoe24]

So I am relatively bored of this game, want to do mass claim everyone?
Cause honestly, I thought me claiming cop without saying results would have gotten me NKed. But I guess scum called my bluff.

Do not mass claim until Kuroi gives his night one results.

[Javajoe24]

Please do. Anyone wanna verify his claim?

[Javajoe24]

They do not have to claim their role necessarily, just verify their flavor and your claim

[Javajoe24]

The only person I would not consider as valid to verify would be RC

[Javajoe24]

hmmm.....

[Javajoe24]

Not I

[Javajoe24]

I am helium

[Javajoe24]

Also, I flavor claimed long ago in the neighborhood

[Javajoe24]

I think this question needs to be asked.

Chilled tea, you don't have to tell us your role, but what was your reasoning for visiting ranger night 1?

[Javajoe24]

{Guyinfreezer}
{sircakez, aneninen}
{fire assassin, chilled tea}
{cabd}
{radiant cowbells, Kuroi}

[Javajoe24]

Cabd read is solely based on his lack of input lately. This could just be real life issues though, but seems like lurking to me right now though.

[Javajoe24]

Cakez, what's your case on chilled?

[Javajoe24]

So is cabd, why not scum read him as well?

[Javajoe24]

Why FA is scumread?
There are a couple of other scummy players.

Let's start with the very terrible post-lynch Ranger vote post.

You see, i take his bad looking post lynch ranger vote as towny because why would scum want to make himself look bad by voting a towny post lynch? That play only ever makes sense if they are bussing a partner.

[Javajoe24]

So.
First I thought Kuroi was an RC counter.
But waht if both of them are scum?

They are both scum, I have been saying so all day!

[Javajoe24]

Also if I can't get FA lynched today Aneninen is a great choice for blatantly BSing about someone's scum meta to paint them red.

Want to vote Aneninen? I've made it clear that I'd vote him today.
RC, is that OK? Pretty please?

I don't think it's wrong at all to put pressure on GIF and ask questions. Even townies should feel the heat.

And yes, I still think GIF is a townie.

Bro that wasn't a pressure
That was literally a poor attempt to throw shades on me.

You're not dying today. There's no reason to even worry about that.

Earlier you said RC is likely scum, now you are asking him to vote for someone? Seems sketchy to me

[Javajoe24]

And what is that supposed to mean? Yes, RC forced Kuroi to vote chilled tea, and then invited chilled himself. Kuroi said RC was scummy for this and put him at prob scum in his read list. Why then would he try to convince a scum player to vote for another scum player? All this from his perspective by the way. Makes no sense to me.

Also, I think FA is a good player and will not demean him by saying he wouldn't realize that a post mortem vote would look bad.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: RC

[Javajoe24]

Now he doesnt

[Javajoe24]

Jeez, did everyone visit meseeks n1?

[Javajoe24]

Yeah, Gif is confirmed town via role investigation results. We went over this at the beginning of the day, where have you been? Why do you think every single players read list has him as town?

[Javajoe24]

And not traveling saleman results, results sent to me over the night phase last night.

[Javajoe24]

And not traveling saleman results, results sent to me over the night phase last night.

[Javajoe24]

Sorry, hit submit too many times.

[Javajoe24]

Cabd, you have the least amount of posts in this thread. Less than the ranger and traveling salesman, who are both dead. Less than meseeks, RC, And Sheldon cooper who have only been in half the game. Heck, you even have less posts then the mod!!! Get in here and contribute! We need input from all players.

[Javajoe24]

One more thing. Aneninen, since you claimed Niels Bohr, why did you visit Meeseeks/Ranger N1?

For your 1539. RC has never ever spelt my name correctly. You are making out things out of nothing.

As for this.
I visited Meseeks because all I can do is finding out how many players visited the same target at same Night. And nothing about the Night actions. In his case it was 2.
The only thing I can figure out how to use ghis PR is confirming situations or catching a lie. And I thought Meseeks would be visited by some. See?

Shouldn't it be 3 players that visited him? You, Kuroi, and chilled tea

[Javajoe24]

Don't think because I let you off the hook means I think you are town Kuroi. I am still fine with your lynch

[Javajoe24]

Well you also would know how many people visited meseeks night 1 so are you disagreeing with his number?

[Javajoe24]

Is that three people including yourself or not?

[Javajoe24]

Sure. And if that is the case, then it's probable that you both are in agreement. It's possible he was not counting himself.

[Javajoe24]

I'm clarifying one of my abilities.

I'm a one-shot flavor tracker.

Example:

Let's say my role is Mario and yours is Luigi it shows:

"Mario visited Luigi" That's it. It doesn't show plays Mario and who plays Luigi.

You said in this post that your results would only show flavor and you wouldn't know who visited who unless they claimed their flavor. Now your saying your results are in a format that gives you the name of the people instead of their flavor?

[Javajoe24]

Also, who has not flavor claimed?? We need a mass flavor claim right now.

Javajoe- helium
Ranger- yttrium
Sircakez- francium
Kuroi- electricity
Chilled tea- mojo jojo
Traveling salesman- Cauchy-Riemann Equations

Anen-?
Fire assassin-?
Cabd-?
Guy in freezer-?
Radiant cowbells-?

I may have just missed your flavor claims, but if you have a ? By your name, please flavor claim now.

[Javajoe24]

By the way, I know your lying Kuroi. You said no one visited me last night but you. This is obviously false. Gif visited me and I know this for a fact.

VOTE: Kuroi
This is L-1

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: RC

Fair enough.
Thought I caught you in a lie

[Javajoe24]

Well after everyone flavor claims if you are town then you will know who one scum is for sure, because they will either claim string theory, or make up a flavor which you will know to not exist. Everyone flavor claim now!

If you do not flavor claim in your very next post you will be considered scum

[Javajoe24]

First off, I forgot to mention it was flavor, so I don't know who in this game visited who unless you claimed your flavor.

Then let's say JavaJoe and I visited you last night, it would say:

KuroiXHF visited Cabd
JavaJoe24 visited Cabd.

I'm clarifying one of my abilities.

I'm a one-shot flavor tracker.

Example:

Let's say my role is Mario and yours is Luigi it shows:

"Mario visited Luigi" That's it. It doesn't show plays Mario and who plays Luigi.

You said in this post that your results would only show flavor and you wouldn't know who visited who unless they claimed their flavor. Now your saying your results are in a format that gives you the name of the people instead of their flavor?

Please explain this kuroi

[Javajoe24]

Java you are literally the worst.

ChilledTea/Fire Assassin. pick one.

Obviously you are hiding your role. Any sane town player would see why we need a mass flavor claim.

[Javajoe24]

I would vote you for not claiming but I am already voting you.

[Javajoe24]

Kuroi, can you confirm that there is a flavor Sheldon cooper? Also, who visited the string theory on night one? Anyone? I think we can find this scum based on PoE.

[Javajoe24]

Also, I haven't really considered chilled tea, what is the case on him?

[Javajoe24]

Like I said before, this is(was until yesterday) my only game. So my attention isn't pulled very thin like it used to be. Kuroi, after everyone flavor claims you should give a list of your results so town can have it in case you are night killed. Do not give that list until everyone has claimed though! I am just gonna ignore you scum!RC

[Javajoe24]

Also, I don't like the fact that you did not flavor claim Fireassassin.

[Javajoe24]

I was arguing for a specific piece of that list. The only reason I don't want you to give the whole list now is because I don't want to give scum flavor names that they can claim. But now that I think of it, they wouldn't be able to without putting themselves in a 1v1 situation so go ahead and give the list anytime you please. Just do so before the end of the day.

[Javajoe24]

So you only have flavor names of people that got visited or visited people? I thought you watched every player night 1.

[Javajoe24]

In a way I am gauging you. I am still unsure how I feel about you right now. At the start of the day I was sure you were scum, but lately you have come off more town to me, but I am still hesitant. So I am looking for any inconsistency I may see.

[Javajoe24]

Also, a note that I made a mistake and that mistake won't be revealed until need be. But documenting it now lest "liek omg cabd you're making this shit up"

^I forgot to act N1; which matches up with kuroi result. So regardless of his alignment, his ROLE is most likely truthful.

Thank you for this information. I also would like to let town know that we have a doctor among us based on my role, and to that Doctor I would like to say: do not bother protecting me at night, I have the "macho" characteristic and cannot be protected from night kills. I say this so that maybe when night comes you can protect someone else and actually have your protection be effective.

[Javajoe24]

Well why would I receive something that says I cannot be protected at night if there is no one to do protections? But then again I have been in games where things like that were thrown in by the mod just to throw people off.

[Javajoe24]

Have you ever met Antihero before? His icon is the dog version of Deadpool.

Still, you do bring a valid point I guess.

What is the supposed to mean? I have played in one of his games before and played in a game with him before as well. Are you saying he tends to throw random things into his games?

[Javajoe24]

Lol!

*steps away from Kuroi to avoid the coming modkill*

[Javajoe24]

Aneninen needs to be prodded.

Like seriously, how is he not even committing to this game? How stupid does he think we are? Why isn't he already lynched?

It says on the activity log that he is on v/la

[Javajoe24]

So uh....


Roles mean nothing because I ~also~ have a macho modifier. Assuming it's one giant troll.

Ah...... You got us anti!

[Javajoe24]

I think Cabd is scum then?

Could you be more scummy?

[Javajoe24]

Lol, ok. If that's how you feel

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: Javajoe

Sorry can't leave a doublevoter with these trash tier reads alive. This kinda has to go.

So you would rather policy lynch than scum hunt with 3 scum still living?

[Javajoe24]

Why would I let you live until night? You won't be night killed because your scum.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: Javajoe

Sorry can't leave a doublevoter with these trash tier reads alive. This kinda has to go.

So you would rather policy lynch than scum hunt with 3 scum still living?

I learned my lesson with MoI in this game.
I will only be happy not lynching you if you agree that if I'm nightkilled you will shut the fuck up for the rest of the game and sheep my reads.

Um, that game was won by you and MoI (both town) with MoI hammering the last scum. I fail to see your point.

[Javajoe24]

How am I deflecting? And he was still the one that won the game for you that game. I fail to see how policy lynching him would have helped you that game, or this one.

[Javajoe24]

I would take your reads into consideration in that hypothetical situation, but I think for myself thank you very much.

[Javajoe24]

Why in the hell would I sheep your reads after what happened between you and ranger. Ranger, the person on this site you should be able to read the easiest may I remind you. I tried sheeting your reads with ranger and got shot in the foot for it.

[Javajoe24]

VOTE: Javajoe

you clearly can't so.

No need to resort to insults

[Javajoe24]

Well let me put it this way, you obviously consider me town by the way you have been talking, just incompetent in your eyes. So if you policy lynch me we will be down 2 townies and we will be in lylo. So you are actively pushing to put us in lylo. How is there any town motivation behind this?

[Javajoe24]

You failed to answer how putting us in lylo is town motivated

[Javajoe24]

You failed to answer how putting us in lylo is town motivated

Just lynch Java. this is unbelievable.

I'm actually going to believe that this is a terrible post from Java. I hear far too often that we're doing something wrong if we don't believe you. It adds no substance. It's an appeal to emotion because it's saying that we're definitely town and if you don't do what we're telling you to do, we're putting ourselves in a bad position. I don't have a lot of faith that you're town, Java. I'm sorry. A lot of it is emotion. A lot of it is you suddenly being more active in a pivotal moment in this game, and I don't buy your excuse.

That's your prerogative. And honestly I don't understand what you are trying to say in this post, but if you think I am unlikely to be town so be it.

[Javajoe24]

I think Cabd is scum then?

Where is this coming from?

The macho claims.

How in the hell is a macho claim scummy?

I agree. If anything you just confirmed my claim, and from my point of view makes you almost conftown

[Javajoe24]

I am starting to get the feeling sircakez is one of RCs partners. In the hood I keep trying to convince him how RC is scum, but he is vigorously defending him based solely on meta from three posts, but admits that RC is behaving scummy this game.

[Javajoe24]

No, it was something bigger
I might have written it in the hood

I can confirm that you did make a case against chilled in the hood. You basically said that he hasn't been pushed against at all, and how scum should be all over him if he were town because he is an easy mislynch. And you said he doesn't seem to be scum hunting and his reads are "cobbled together" whatever that means.

[Javajoe24]

I would love to hear a case for why I am scum.

1. You were the driving force behind the ranger mislynch, a player you should almost always have an accurate read on.

2. When you returned the next day you completely ignored the ranger mislynch as if you were trying to sweep it under the rug and immediately started a push on someone else without any discussion on the previous night/ mislynch.

3. Only two players on the ranger wagon are not confirmed town, you and Kuroi.

4. You are actively trying to lynch someone you think is town and put us into lylo instead of scum hunting with THREE scum still alive!

Those are my main 4 points.

[Javajoe24]

It's not just those three posts Java, those were examples

Then please make a case for town!RC for me here? And do not use meta, I don't give two shits about meta.

[Javajoe24]

{GIF,FA} town
{Anen, Cabd, chilled} null
{Kuroi, Sircakez} lean scum
{RC} scum

[Javajoe24]

{GIF,FA} town
{Anen, Cabd, chilled} null
{Kuroi, Sircakez} lean scum
{RC} scum

Wait. You said Fire Assassin was almost confirmed town but you put him on the SAME level as confirmed town?

Yes, in my eyes Fire is confirmed town so on the same level.

Java, there has been a long standing notion that one of the members of the hood is scum. Are you saying that's no longer the case?

I was unsure about this, but starting to think it's true the way cakez is acting lately.

[Javajoe24]

Well it makes sense to me. From my perpective GIF is confirmed town and FA is all but confirmed town, so I grouped them together since I will in no way be lynching either of them today. And I find it funny that everyone else is taking for granted GIF as confirmed town, since I am the one that confirmed him, but won't listen when I say FA is virtually confirmed town as well.

[Javajoe24]

oh my god this town is literally the fucking worst.

Whoever is not voting FA/RC should probably explain why and what better alternatives they have.

I love how you're lumping me in with an FA vote.

Just lynch Java. this is unbelievable.

VOTE: Javajoe

you clearly can't so.

How am I deflecting? And he was still the one that won the game for you that game. I fail to see how policy lynching him would have helped you that game, or this one.

There's literally a 0% chance that Kirroha/Raskol/Nino/GIF would have lost if we had PLed MoI.

VOTE: Javajoe

Sorry can't leave a doublevoter with these trash tier reads alive. This kinda has to go.

VOTE: ChilledTea

Java you are literally the worst.

ChilledTea/Fire Assassin. pick one.

I already claimed. Sheldon Cooper.

Adenine lynch is idiotic.

{GIF,FA} town
{Anen, Cabd, chilled} null
{Kuroi, Sircakez} lean scum
{RC} scum

Wait. You said Fire Assassin was almost confirmed town but you put him on the SAME level as confirmed town?

Yes, in my eyes Fire is confirmed town so on the same level.

Java, there has been a long standing notion that one of the members of the hood is scum. Are you saying that's no longer the case?

I was unsure about this, but starting to think it's true the way cakez is acting lately.

*facepalm*

These are all the posts by you that I see just today that have failed to progress the game, find scum, or be helpful whatsoever (aka fluff). Looking at your ISO you hardly post anything of substance and are not scum hunting at all. How can everyone not see this. Just look at his ISO people!!!

[Javajoe24]

Fire Assassin, chilled tea, Anen, cabd, and Gif; are you ok with a RC lynch? If so I would vote for him. I am not moving my vote.

[Javajoe24]

No cakez it works perfectly fucking fine. don't make excuses for him. this isn't a newbie game and contrary to popular belief I'm generally more townread than not until one day every tom dick and harry decided that they were

sure

I was scum every fucking game even though they were dead wrong on every other game but no.

And lets be fucking clear, no one whose opinion is worth caring about broadly ignores an entire topic of ways to read someone, and when your whole case on me is that I shouldn't have misread Ranger even though she did something that literally makes no sense at all then you've got something else coming.

I'm not going to move on and try to lynch scum with an idiot doublevoter whose top two townreads are obvtown. If Java's pulling this shit we're lynching in the two of us, period.

Someone is angry....

1. My entire case on you is more than just the bad ranger read.
2. Your upset because my top two town reads are obvtown?
3. You literally just said that you don't plan on lynching scum today....

[Javajoe24]

I did not make said statement. I am simply relating the case posted against you in the neighborhood by sircakez.

[Javajoe24]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Aneninen - 1 (GuyInFreezer)
KuroiXHF - 1 (Aneninen)
Mr Meeseeks - 1 (MagnaOfIllusion)

shos - 7 (SheldonCooper, SirCakez, Travelling Salesman, Mr Meeseeks, KuroiXHF, Javajoe24)

SirCakez - 2 (chilledtea, Fire Assassin)

Not Voting: Cabd, shos

replacing guyinfreezer

13 alive means it's 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 2-10

chilledtea - 1 (Cabd)
Fire Assassin - 1 (chilledtea)
Ranger - 6 (RadiantCowbells, Travelling Salesman, KuroiXHF, Javajoe24, GuyInFreezer)
Travelling Salesman - 1 (Ranger)

Not Voting: Aneninen, SirCakez

11 alive means it's 6 to lynch.
deadline: (expired on 2016-07-03 19:58:18)

People who lynched both Shos and Ranger

: Sheldon/RC, KuroiXHF (Me), JavaJoe (We should be looking VERY closely in these three.)

People who lynched Shos but NOT Ranger

: Cakez

People who lynched Ranger but NOT Shos

: GIF
With this analysis, I might want to get off the Fire Assassin wagon, but I should probably check on his meta first. Fire Assassin, link me to a completed town and completed scum game please. I want to see if you're always this scummy.

If I get off Fire Assassin, I might look toward Java Joe, RC or Aneninen. He (Aneninen) voted me day one with nothing to support him and he couldn't even be bothered yesterday.

So now you use this tactic when I have been using it all day and been criticized for it??

[Javajoe24]

What part of that quote is not true?

[Javajoe24]

Was it cabd?!?! Oh god! Why did I think it was fire assassin??

[Javajoe24]

Ok, just switch my reads on fire and cabd in that case.

[Javajoe24]

So if last scum is between FA and sircakez, who are the other two?

[Javajoe24]

Can everyone please post their current reads list?

[Javajoe24]

question, why is GIF your top town read?

[Javajoe24]

question, why is GIF your top town read?

He's pretty much confirmed town?

Ok.

[Javajoe24]

Radiant Cowbells, why are you town reading GIF?

[Javajoe24]

Time is running out, people need to be more active. I feel like the only active players other than me are scum, and it's useless to try to get them to vote scum

[Javajoe24]

{GIF,FA} town
{Anen, Cabd, chilled} null
{Kuroi, Sircakez} lean scum
{RC} scum

Did you miss this. I think you are more likely to be scum than town, but not as scummy as RC

[Javajoe24]

That was a response to kurois 1773, not you cakez.

[Javajoe24]

I am pretty sure I have the scum team pegged now though.

RC, Kuroi, and Cakez. Which happen to be the three most active players other than myself. I have a feeling this town is doomed.

[Javajoe24]

Let me put it this way. If RC were really town and with the veracity I have been on him, with three scum still in this game, someone else would have jumped on the wagon. There is absolutely no chance RC is town.

[Javajoe24]

Let me put it this way. If RC were really town and with the veracity I have been on him, with three scum still in this game, someone else would have jumped on the wagon. There is absolutely no chance RC is town.

[Javajoe24]

That was a response to kurois 1773, not you cakez.

I am pretty sure I have the scum team pegged now though.

RC, Kuroi, and Cakez. Which happen to be the three most active players other than myself. I have a feeling this town is doomed.

And I don't get your scum read of me. You've been trying for god damn nearly two weeks to try to pin something on me. You've been grilling me, and I've done nothing scummy. I've answered all your questions just fine. At first, I thought it was townie of you to ask questions because it shows that you're engaged and scum hunting. Now, I think you're ridiculous.

I was using you for information because I don't doubt your claimed role, I just think it is a scum role. You would have no reason to lie to me about the information you gave because you would be trying to validate your claim. I appreciate the information, but I still believe you are scum. But you aren't going to die today and maybe by tomorrow I will have a different opinion based on what happens today/tonight.

[Javajoe24]

Like I told you, I was using you for information. I was more likely to get the truth if you thought I was town reading you, but in reality I never was.

[Javajoe24]

I don't care about your reads, I care about the night actions.

[Javajoe24]

I don't like to use meta. I did not look. People can change their meta at any time

[Javajoe24]

there should be some explanation on your rolecard

Yeah, there should be some explanation on your role card as to how your flavor fits your role etc.

[Javajoe24]

Radiant Cowbells, why are you town reading GIF?

Would like an answer to this

[Javajoe24]

H★A☆M★M☆E★R

Like, I REALLY need a flip to continue at this point.

My hen vote RC with me and get a scum flip. You of all people in this game should trust me.

[Javajoe24]

Then, not my hen. Phone autocorrect...

[Javajoe24]

Radiant Cowbells, why are you town reading GIF?

Would like an answer to this

Ignored yet again....

[Javajoe24]

If you don't like being scum read, don't act so scummy.