Mini 1806 : DotA Mafia [Round 1 - SD] (Game Over ?!)

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Fire Assassin

Thought he was sketchy in the Radiant chat, and like him even less here.

[Radical Rat]

Points of suspicion are:

- Inconsistency
- Anti-Town sentiments ( Massclaiming early )
- LAMIST

[Radical Rat]

The Dire neighborhood is dead silent

Pretty much expected

Perhaps they were busy talking in their scum chat, instead?



Also Racical's vote here is ew as he has to overexplain it but wasn't actually there in the pre-game chat

Would you have preferred a naked vote?

As for why I wasn't there, may I direct your attention to my V/LA banner? Or perhaps the post I did make in the Radiant chat?

[Radical Rat]

Before we get too far along, I'd like to politely request that the Survivor come forward. You don't have to if you're scared, but I see no reason why either side should kill a Survivor.

And scum: don't even think about faking. I will find out, and you will be lynched.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Shiro

Obviously isn't reading.

Nah man, I am reading

This is Shiro's first post in the thread. What made you think they weren't reading Ircher?

[Radical Rat]

Before we get too far along, I'd like to politely request that the Survivor come forward. You don't have to if you're scared, but I see no reason why either side should kill a Survivor.

And scum: don't even think about faking. I will find out, and you will be lynched.

Thats a horrible suggestion -- Doing so is against their win con since survivor cant win with town or mafia

I thought all Survivor had to do was be alive at the end of the game, regardless of which faction wins?

[Radical Rat]

Clan PT

The Dire neighborhood is dead silent

[Radical Rat]

And I still think the same way.

Who cares? I made my pick based on character preference, Character pick and discards have no bearing on alignemnt imo

The issue was not whether the roles have bearing on alignment, but whether revealing them would be a good idea.

The general consensus is that we should not.

[Radical Rat]

You were suggesting a massclaim of the discards, which after discussion you even agreed was Anti-Town. Yet you tried to start it anyway.

As for LAMIST it means "Look At Me I'm So Town"

I didn't post it on the clan chat because I WASN'T THERE. I made one post an hour before the game was scheduled to start when I had barely enough signal to get on my browser, and one more this morning before I moved to the game thread.

As for the Survivor, how does that mean one less Town can die at night? We're going to have 7 Town whether the Survivor claims or not.

[Radical Rat]

Please explain. Survivor can win with either faction, so I think it's ok for them to claim.

Same reason survivor shouldn't claim in a normal game.
If survivor claims they are 100% not getting NKed. That means a town is always going to die to it.

Survivor might also suffer a lynch just so we don't mislynch town too (this has happened so many times its no funny), so theres the points to convince you Survivor to not claim.

That first bit is actually a decent argument, though the second part is just a dick move if you ask me.

I suppose you have me convinced though, so I'll leave the decision up to the Survivor themself.

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE:

Based on his argument, scum would like the Survivor to claim so they can kill Town faster.

Therefore, pointing it out is pro-Town.

I'll need to think before my next vote.

[Radical Rat]

You were suggesting a massclaim of the discards, which after discussion you even agreed was Anti-Town. Yet you tried to start it anyway.

As for LAMIST it means "Look At Me I'm So Town"

I didn't post it on the clan chat because I WASN'T THERE. I made one post an hour before the game was scheduled to start when I had barely enough signal to get on my browser, and one more this morning before I moved to the game thread.

As for the Survivor, how does that mean one less Town can die at night? We're going to have 7 Town whether the Survivor claims or not.

I gave away one of my discards. I don't know how that leads to a mass claim in anyway shape or form. You are making either a slippery slope argument or some how revealing 10 roles out of 30 that aren't in the game creates some effect where everyones roles are revealed [I can make up stupid logic too!]

If thats what lamist means, its pretty stupid term. Never heard a player say it I think. Weird.

Yes, you weren't there is my point. And not saying "Ohh you aren't there so you are scum" its the fact that you act like you were there thats the problem. You act as if you were part of the decision to say "lets not discard" but you weren't. You can't have it both ways. You either were there or you weren't.

If survivor doesn't claim they are susceptible to a night death.

I did READ the thread. I just wasn't there to actually participate in the discussion. I still saw the posts and can have opinions on them.

As for LAMIST it was used in one of my Newbie games to refer to posting things like "I am Town"

[Radical Rat]

I will 100% oppose a Survivor lynch.

They could be a swing vote in lylo that may very well save this Town
Granted they could just as easily end us, but having them alive would give us that chance at surviving a critically low Town population.

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, you're putting this against Ircher, yet I was the one who suggested the Survivor claim and I'm the one saying I'll be opposing a Survivor lynch.

Normally, I don't like saying things like "I should be a scumread," but in this case your logic doesn't line up with not at least mentioning me, and I worry that you might be trying to fake an association.

VOTE: Vedith

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Yume

I can clearly tell you've been elsewhere on the site.Why are you avoiding this thread?

Actually, I rescind this statement, but the vote stays as encouragement to participate more.

What makes you rescind that statement?

[Radical Rat]

I'll be honest, I just half-read the last page, but I think a Shiro wagon has more merit than a Snarky wagon. Snarky showed up and just said hi, yes, but that to me indicates that he actually hasn't read anything yet and is just trying to prod dodge.
Shiro on the other hand, showed up as soon as we started talking about/voting her, then vanished again. I'd like to drag her back out, so...

VOTE: Shiro

@Vedith's thing about waiting to see my response
From what I can tell, the suspicion on me is that I wanted a Survivor to claim, which I have already conceded Might hurt Town when Fire pointed it out. My original statement came from simply wanting to help the Survivor, with the goal of getting the Town in their good graces should they live to LyLo. I've already said all of that, but that's all there is to say.

@TheNewEarth ( Caps for readability )
What was going through your head during the argument with Fire? You were both saying the exact same thing, so what did you think Fire was saying at the time?

[Radical Rat]

Personally, I would vote the opposing clan's scum first, just because of the leveling up.

[Radical Rat]

No. We're not lynching the opposing clan just to level up, that's idiotic. We're lynching whoever is most likely to be scum individually.

I meant if we had two scumspects, with one on each clan, as is the scenario put forth by Vedith, I'd vote the Dire Scumspect.

[Radical Rat]

Why are you assuming that each clan has 1 scum member?

Show me where I said it does?

Just to clarify, I never once said Radiant Clan.
I said I think Radiant is scum (Meaning Radical)

OK. That was actually something I was looking at as really bad

I also questioned if there was actually a benefit for us voting

your clan scum

instead of

our clan scum

.
I'm still unsure to the answer.

[Radical Rat]

I meant if we had two scumspects, with one on each clan, as is the scenario put forth by Vedith, I'd vote the Dire Scumspect.

But going into that mind set it will be a stale mate of voting.

Only if the clans were equal at the time it happens. Which is unlikely to be the case except on D1.

[Radical Rat]

Only if the clans were equal at the time it happens. Which is unlikely to be the case except on D1.

So what you are saying is if we vote of someone from Dire now, then your clan can have full power of voting.
Where does that interest me in voting off a Dire clan member without proof?

The same could be said for us voting a Radiant member.

I think Dunnstral has the right idea, lynching without paying heed to clan, but frankly, I'd like to at least hit level 4 so I can try out all the abilities available in this run.
Perhaps that's a bit selfish, but this IS a game to test those abilities.

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, I think we'd all be a lot better off without your condescension.

And yes, Frozen Angel has stated multiple times that Ultimates are not available in 10 person games.

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, I think we'd all be a lot better off without your condescension.

And yes, Frozen Angel has stated multiple times that Ultimates are not available in 10 person games.

Sorry for hurting your feelings buddy *pats you on the head*

It's not about hurt feelings, it's about having rational discussions where both sides are considered instead of just assuming you're right and treating everyone who doesn't agree as inferior.

[Radical Rat]

I did say I only half-read, I could have missed a post or two.

I'll go back and re-read properly, and adjust my vote as necessary.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, yeah, you were there. Sorry about that.

UNVOTE:

What's Snarky at? I don't want to put him at L-1 until he actually shows up, but the only other person I'd vote is Vedith, who I'm still trying to develop an unbiased read on.

[Radical Rat]

I did say I only half-read, I could have missed a post or two.

I'll go back and re-read properly, and adjust my vote as necessary.

So you are voting without reading properly?
Then when called out on it you are willing to change?

Yes. I got lazy, and I don't have a problem admitting my mistakes.

[Radical Rat]

Yes. I got lazy, and I don't have a problem admitting my mistakes.

More like you got called out and shit yourself.

I don't see how going back and re-reading the page counts as shitting myself, but sure.

[Radical Rat]

Requesting Votecount

[Radical Rat]

Thank you for the Votecount.

I unvoted Shiro, because the vote was based on the faulty information that she hadn't posted since the reading incident. I checked, and there she was, so I unvoted.
I'm worried about putting Snarky at L-1, because he's not here. I don't like lynching people that aren't here, and putting him at L-1 creates that risk.

L-2, however, I have fewer problems with.
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[Radical Rat]

I'm worried about putting Snarky at L-1, because he's not here.

Well, she's been in PT tonight. So it's more of a personal choice to not post here.

I didn't know that.

@Snarky
Care to explain why you aren't posting here?

[Radical Rat]

At least Irchir is town

Vedith vs. Dunn looks VERY scum vs. town right now. Lynch on or the other. Preferrably Vedith.

Shiro is VI. God damn shiro

Snarky sucks for wanting void boys to win. NA Dota also sucks except for DC. And obviously Wings gaming got this. AND ALSO GIVE KUROKY HIS VALVE EVENT WIN ALREADY. FUCK YOU OG.

Radical is sheeping the fuck out of whatever anyone in this thread says. What are you? Survivor?

Nah, though I would love to be a third party( Never done that on a Forum before ).
I'm just finding a lot of decent points from others, and a few mistakes on my end. I assure you, the sheeping will lessen as the game goes on and I have more to work with.

[Radical Rat]

If I even live past today, that is...

[Radical Rat]

Being survivor is not really that fun.
Anyways what is your thoughts on everyone radical?

I'm having a lot of trouble sorting you, my read seems to keep alternating from MegaScum to MegaTown. I think the problem is that your attitude seems sketchy to me, but your content looks Town. I'm going with the content for now.
TNE I think is being genuine, and therefore Town.
Ircher is my highest Townread, based on gut and a helpful, informative attitude
Dunnstral is second highest based on a sense of pure intentions.
Vedith is also difficult to read. I want to say it's a scumlean, but I fear that my personal feelings are interfering with my Mafia feelings.
Masquerade is probably my weakest Townread, based on gut alone.
Shiro, Yume, and Snarky need to post more before I can read them properly.

[Radical Rat]

Either Snarky or Yume need to get in here and start posting

[Radical Rat]

Shiro: We can totally start a whole waifu war right herr, right now. But can we please try playing the game? Prefferably wiyh radiant victory.

@mod: I'M SO TRIGGERED BY THE DOTA2 REPORTER GIFS I WANT TO REWATCH EVERYTHING AGAIN DAMMIT

Radiant Victory isn't a thing. Town or Mafia will win.

[Radical Rat]

Joke ------- you ----->

Fair enough.

[Radical Rat]

Being survivor is not really that fun.
Anyways what is your thoughts on everyone radical?

I'm having a lot of trouble sorting you, my read seems to keep alternating from MegaScum to MegaTown. I think the problem is that your attitude seems sketchy to me, but your content looks Town. I'm going with the content for now.
TNE I think is being genuine, and therefore Town.
Ircher is my highest Townread, based on gut and a helpful, informative attitude
Dunnstral is second highest based on a sense of pure intentions.
Vedith is also difficult to read. I want to say it's a scumlean, but I fear that my personal feelings are interfering with my Mafia feelings.
Masquerade is probably my weakest Townread, based on gut alone.
Shiro, Yume, and Snarky need to post more before I can read them properly.

I am not sure on you either because I know few people who swing to the two extremes of "MegaScum" to "MegaTown" on very little content. (We are only 13 pages in). So when you give two opposing things to read me as one way or the other it sounds like fence sitting. You give about 1 read that couldn't be flipped on anything, and its kind of flimsy to begin with "genuine".

Also regarding read on Ircher, what do you mean by "informative attitude"?

You say Dunnstral is a "high" read based on "pure intentions" read for what and what intentions does he have?

MegaScum and MegaTown are relative here. I chose them to express the polarity of my reads about you, not necessarily the actual strength.
Informative attitude being that he's willing to provide information and help move the game along.
Pure intentions being just a sense I get that Dunnstral is trying his best to help the Town.

[Radical Rat]

As for these votes on me, I'm seeing a lot of people saying they think I'm scum, a few saying Survivor, but not a whole lot of reasoning.
Fire Assassin is the only one I've seen giving any substance to their suspicions, but they haven't settled on a read yet.

May I ask what I've done that makes me look bad? Regardless of what my alignment may or may not be, I'd like to know so I can better my play in the future.


Vedith is currently my top pick for Survivor, based on his joking/sarcastic attitude here. I feel like he's here to have a good time( As we all should be, but I digress ), and not necessarily pushing any one side to win.

[Radical Rat]

I don't think Vedith is mafia though. I've thought things through and think they're more likely to be Survivor.
Besides, I'm being voted under suspicion of being Survivor, so naturally I'd be looking for the real Survivor.

I believe there is one scum, maybe even both, in Snarky/Yume. Shiro, Maybe, but I feel like she'd be trying to push a lynch if she were scum.

And yeah, I was afraid the alignment comment would come out looking weird. Essentially, I don't believe that saying I'm Town is going to sway anyone, so I'd rather make my appeals from the point of view of my wagon to avoid just being ignored as though I were Scum.

[Radical Rat]

It also isn't really helping my play being a Hero with some rather strange abilities. I picked this one because I found them interesting, but I'm not quite sure how to play with this yet.

[Radical Rat]

Sighs wearily.
If I'm going to be lynched, I hope you'll indulge me in one last request.

Wait.

We have two players who have barely posted, and I'd like for us to be sure we've pursued all avenues of discussion before we go ending the day prematurely.

[Radical Rat]

No one said they are lynching you right now. Why are you so paranoid?

I just got called a valid lynch, and votes started piling on.

[Radical Rat]

Technically, I did hit L-1, and I said I would claim. I worry this will get me NKed, but if I get lynched that won't matter anyway.

I'm Town Bane, with current abilities Enfeeble and Brain Sap, both of which allow me to mess with the votes. Enfeeble will let me remove someone's voting ability, and Brain Sap will let me redirect votes off of me.

I don't think anyone on my wagon is lynch-worthy ( Lynching Survivor is a dick move imo, and I feel like actual Scum is either Yume, Snarky, or both ), and while removing a vote is tempting, I'd rather the votes on me be moved somewhere useful.

[Radical Rat]

I'm hoping it explains some of the odd things about my play.

But if you didn't want me to claim, you should have said something earlier when I said I would claim at L-1.

[Radical Rat]

Out of the remaining players, it'd have to be either you, Shiro, or FA.

Though it should be noted that this is D1, and it's all subject to change as more information comes out.

[Radical Rat]

That was not claiming survivor. I said earlier that I thought Vedith was Survivor, and that but was my explanation for not Brain Sapping him.

[Radical Rat]

I claimed at L-2, because I promised to at L-1, and had hit L-1 earlier in the game.

I said lynching survivor is a dick move because it is. Unless you have no other options, why would you lynch a non threat? It's just rude.

About the abilities, I picked them because they were the least standard and most interesting. I actually didn't even check my alignment until after I had decided.

[Radical Rat]

I actually didn't even check my alignment until after I had decided.

Because it was grey and you didn't notice it?

It was not possible for me to have picked my role without noticing my alignment. Pretty sure you just slipped as survivor

The roles were big colorful images.
The alignment was some colored text at the top.

[Radical Rat]

I think they'd be kind of hard to miss if I did.
So no. I have not.

I intend to Brain Sap immediately if I think Scum winds up on my wagon, and will Enfeeble someone on another wagon if I feel confident in calling lynchbait.

Due to the game-flow altering effects of these abilities, I will only be using them publicly.

[Radical Rat]

Yes. You're not telling me you didn't see Green/Red text at the top? Like, it didn't catch your eye at all? Makes sense if it's Grey

I did this on mobile during a car ride, so yes, the giant images caught my eye first.

[Radical Rat]

That is an excellent question.

@Mod
How long does Brain Sap last?

[Radical Rat]

Thank you.

So yeah, it'd only really be useful for hammering or afk lynching( Which I oppose morally ).

[Radical Rat]

My discards were Phoenix and Crystal Maiden.

[Radical Rat]

I don't get the idea of a Radical Rat lynch - he doesn't read scummy and doesn't read 3p.

You seem to be the only person thinking this way, aside from myself of course.

Is there something you'd perhaps like to share with the class that may clear my name?

[Radical Rat]

Bane was more interesting

[Radical Rat]

I am here.

Then start posting and playing the game.

[Radical Rat]

Rat, do you consider yourself a good player generally? Having accurate reads and such?

As far as reads go, I consider myself decent. Not great, but definitely not terrible.

As far as actual gameplay goes, I have trouble getting myself townread as any alignment, which is a major problem. But otherwise, I am similarly okay.

[Radical Rat]

More interesting doesn't necessarily mean more useful.

I thought being able to screw around with the votes and make PTs sounded more fun than sacrificing myself.

[Radical Rat]

Calm your tushies and let me play before you turbolynch me -_-

I wouldn't exactly call this a turbolynch. Your wagon's been building off and on for days now.
And if what Vedith says is true, you were available for those days.

Regardless, you're the only person townreading me, and while I'm not yet sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing( legitimate townread or scum trying to buddy/associate ), I do want to hear more from you before you die.

So...
UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

Actually, y'know what? I'm reasonably confident that either you or Yume, possibly both are scum. And Yume's not been doing anything.

So let's keep that pressure on. Give us a reason to dismantle your wagon.

VOTE: Snarky Snowman

[Radical Rat]

Normally I would ask why, but I am thinking that defeats the purpose.

I am going to laugh really hard if this flips survivor though.

Where did you come from?
I'm guessing you're replacing Yume?

[Radical Rat]

Wow great lynch 10/10. While I was at work too -.-

So uh... what were you?

[Radical Rat]

Also...
Happy Birthday Ircher!

Hopefully your birthday present will be a scum lynch.

[Radical Rat]

Well, there's no sense just sitting around waiting. We've got a game to play.

If Snarky flips scum, I will put money on TNE being their scumbuddy.
She spent half a page ranting about how much they hated that lynch in the Radiant chat, calling it a policy lynch and stupid. I don't believe either of those are entirely accurate.

If Snarky flips town, I'm less confident about that, but I still find it strange that she would freak out about the lynch in the PT without half the wagon present.

[Radical Rat]

lol

>Is buddy because I hate policy lynching

Do you honestly think I'll be that stupid not to bus a buddy?

It wasn't a policy lynch though.

And some people don't like bussing, I don't know you or how you play.

[Radical Rat]

First, let me just say: Totally called it.

That aside, look through my ISO, and all my preaching about letting the Survivor live, and tell me I either killed, or allowed a kill, on them.
If that isn't enough, consider all that everyone else has said about Mafia not killing the Survivor.

If I knew who the Survivor was, and I did, my Mafia would never had made that kill. So the only conclusion is: I'm not Mafia.

[Radical Rat]

Off topic, but I absolutely love seeing Frozen's page-top reservations

[Radical Rat]

First, let me just say: Totally called it.

That aside, look through my ISO, and all my preaching about letting the Survivor live, and tell me I either killed, or allowed a kill, on them.
If that isn't enough, consider all that everyone else has said about Mafia not killing the Survivor.

If I knew who the Survivor was, and I did, my Mafia would never had made that kill. So the only conclusion is: I'm not Mafia.

No, you survivor-claimed several times.

Show me.
Because I absolutely did not, and I can even pull up the exact quote where I said I thought Vedith was the Survivor.

[Radical Rat]

If I knew who the Survivor was, and I did, my Mafia would never had made that kill. So the only conclusion is: I'm not Mafia.

Unless you wanted us to precisely think tgat :p

Unless the real mafia wanted you to precisely think THAT.

That kind of logic just goes in circles.

[Radical Rat]

As for these votes on me, I'm seeing a lot of people saying they think I'm scum, a few saying Survivor, but not a whole lot of reasoning.
Fire Assassin is the only one I've seen giving any substance to their suspicions, but they haven't settled on a read yet.

May I ask what I've done that makes me look bad? Regardless of what my alignment may or may not be, I'd like to know so I can better my play in the future.


Vedith is currently my top pick for Survivor, based on his joking/sarcastic attitude here. I feel like he's here to have a good time( As we all should be, but I digress ), and not necessarily pushing any one side to win.

I don't think Vedith is mafia though. I've thought things through and think they're more likely to be Survivor.
Besides, I'm being voted under suspicion of being Survivor, so naturally I'd be looking for the real Survivor.

I believe there is one scum, maybe even both, in Snarky/Yume. Shiro, Maybe, but I feel like she'd be trying to push a lynch if she were scum.

And yeah, I was afraid the alignment comment would come out looking weird. Essentially, I don't believe that saying I'm Town is going to sway anyone, so I'd rather make my appeals from the point of view of my wagon to avoid just being ignored as though I were Scum.

That was not claiming survivor. I said earlier that I thought Vedith was Survivor, and that but was my explanation for not Brain Sapping him.

That's three separate posts where I explicitly state that I think Vedith is survivor.

Now show me where I said I was Survivor.

[Radical Rat]

That was not claiming survivor. I said earlier that I thought Vedith was Survivor, and that but was my explanation for not Brain Sapping him.

That was already asked, and here you go.

[Radical Rat]

There's another problem with all of this.

If I

were

faking Survivor, why would I out myself by killing the real Survivor? It just doesn't make sense

[Radical Rat]

New subject: Who all visited Fire last night?

Which Fire?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Fire assassin

Explain.
Just because Ircher visited him?

[Radical Rat]

There are two fires in the game now, Ircher

[Radical Rat]

WAIT FIREBRINGER AND FIRE ASSASSIN ARE THE SAME PERSON

I... Did not know that.

[Radical Rat]

I don't keep track of everyone's alts.
But whatever.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[Radical Rat]

While we're waiting on people to show up and either vote or argue, shall we discuss our respective PTs?

Radiant was mostly quiet, with a bit of discussion of Shiro's action yesterDay, and whether the role choice is alignment indicative. We didn't really come to any real conclusions though.

Speaking of Shiro...
Have you and Snarky anything relevant to report?

[Radical Rat]

Snarky died Radical......

Shiro has a PT with Snarky now.

[Radical Rat]

There has to be at least one cop ability, because of Dragon Knight's Dragon Blood giving a passive Town result.

I'll start digging through the heroes to find one now.

[Radical Rat]

I just checked every hero, and there is in fact ONE cop ability

But it's an ultimate for Luna, so... Nope.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Radical Rat]

Why didn't you say anything earlier?
You sheeped Dunn until it was pointed out that there were no cop abilities by Fire.

If what you say is true, you should have immediately known Dunnstral was lying.

[Radical Rat]

We're not getting Ircher. Guilty on FA. Get FA please

Where did this guilty come from if you never visited?

[Radical Rat]

Where was it made clear that you didn't visit Fire?
If you thought Ircher was fakeclaiming the guilty, why would you mention it to push your Fire lynch?

[Radical Rat]

Also, where did Ircher even claim this guilty?

[Radical Rat]

From the beginning of the day, Ircher was more concerned with Fire's visitors than Fire himself. Did you not think that someone with a guilty would have started the wagon, or at the very least pushed, instead of sheeping it when you did?

[Radical Rat]

I think this might be Town vs. Town.

You're both saying you thought the other one had a guilty, and now you're both voting each other because neither of you actually did.

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

Except Ircher isn't town and that's not how town reacts

How would Town react to finding out the guilty they were sheeping was impossible then?

[Radical Rat]

Town wouldn't have talked about visiting fire then voted with me after I clearly said I hadn't visited fire (also he claims to roleblock people who visited fire so...?)

It's not impossible either though, I saw a character that could determine alignment each night visiting someone in there

Where did you say you hadn't visited though?
I've been through your ISO and I'm not seeing it.

[Radical Rat]

I apologize, I have no idea how I missed that.

VOTE: Ircher

[Radical Rat]

@Ircher

If you roleblocked everyone who visited FA, why did you ask who they were?
When you first asked I thought you must have been some kind of Watcher, looking to catch people lying about their visits... but as a roleblocker, I don't see what you gain from knowing that.

[Radical Rat]

I am curious on why he voted me when he had blocked me and a kill still happened, I am not saying that 100% clears me, but it ensures that I didn't perform the kill so makes it less likely I am scum....

Because he thought Dunnstral had a guilty.

And conveniently forgot that it would have been roleblocked.

[Radical Rat]

Dunnstral already said he thought you had a guilty, and tried claiming it to take the kill for you. Which sounds both plausible, and extremely pro-town.

Either this is Town vs. Town or you're the scum in Town vs. Scum.

[Radical Rat]

I don't know why we're sitting here arguing over game mechanics instead of just doing this...

@Mod
Can a single player perform the Mafia's kill and an active ability in the same night?

[Radical Rat]

As for why Dunn can't be scum, it's because a scum player would have to be completely off their rocker to think they could get away with a fake guilty like that. The only reason anyone would fake a guilty like that, is for the very reason Dunnstral stated: Protecting the real cop.

[Radical Rat]

Honestly, I think Earth is too angry to be scum.

In my, admittedly limited, experience, Scum players don't start getting themselves pissed off until AFTER they're caught. Whereas Earth has been angry all game, and feels more like frustrated Town to me.

[Radical Rat]

Lots of yelling and swearing.

Idk, came across as angry to me.

[Radical Rat]

You heard it here first folks.
Ircher is completely okay with mislynches! Sounds pretty scummy to me...


(Yes this is a blatant misrep, I'm joking here.)

[Radical Rat]

Hmmm

I do find it odd that Fire was only around today while his wagon was around...

Given the possibility of Ircher vs. Dunnstral being TvT, I'll go ahead and sheep you here Masq.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[Radical Rat]

I stand by my deduction that fire is town.

Unvote

Weren't you voting for Ircher?

[Radical Rat]

Alright, so I'd really like to see Earth and Dunn's flips.

I townread them both. But my townread on Earth is... A strange one. Almost dependent on my townread on Dunnstral.
And that... Is suspicious.

Dunnstral is a real, proper townread. But his devotion, insistence that Earth is Town, when she's posted very little at all, let alone to help the Town...

These two are either Town together or Scum together. And there's only one way to find out which.

VOTE: thenewearth
My vote lies with the less active, and therefore less useful, of the two.

I will not be moving this vote.

[Radical Rat]

@Fire: I still have a hard time reading you, and finally we can talk about it but your scumflip in To love and be loved made me more paranoid of you here. The only thing that made me doubt my townread on you in that game was that you had me as a top townread without any kind of paranoia. I asked you several times and you ignored me.
This time you respond, but I can't tell if that is because you're town this time or if it's because you realize ignoring me again will basically make you confscum to me. Anyway, you can have a little more time because rn I'm scumreading Rat more.

VOTE: Radical rat
What's the logic behind lynching between 2 townreads?

The logic is I'm having a hard time finding real scumreads, but those two smell like their on a team together. Who's on a team in this game? The Mafia.

[Radical Rat]

Aside from the Radiant team I mean.

( Also they're***. That's a bit embarassing. )

[Radical Rat]

Maybe the real replacement was the friends we made along the way.

[Radical Rat]

Welcome, New Yume!

[Radical Rat]

B(

You can't see it because of my sick shades, but I'm crying there.

[Radical Rat]

Just humor me on this Earth lynch.
If I'm wrong about this, you can get me next, but I need to see this flip.

[Radical Rat]

Maybe I'm just biased here, but based on all of the facts we have, I'm actually the most likely person to be Town here.

I know my logic is strange, and I wish I could express it better, but I am more confident in this than I have been in anything all game.

Just humor me today. You can lynch me tomorrow if you must.

[Radical Rat]

Maybe I'm just biased here, but based on all of the facts we have, I'm actually the most likely person to be Town here.

I know my logic is strange, and I wish I could express it better, but I am more confident in this than I have been in anything all game.

Just humor me today. You can lynch me tomorrow if you must.

Confident in what? You said tne and I are town together or maf together and you're townreading both of us but want to lynch tne anyway, it's dumb

I don't have any scumreads though.
As of right now, I am townreading everyone in the game. Which is a problem.

I'm confident that you and TNE are connected somehow. Whether that's as Scum or via an ability, I don't know. But that makes you two the most likely Scum right now.

You've been posting and contributing more than Earth has though, so if I'm wrong about this, I want you to be the one left alive.

[Radical Rat]

I'm confident that you and TNE are connected somehow.

Show evidence plz

I am very curious what this is about now

Dunnstral has interjected several times saying things like "tne is Town though" with no proper explanation whenever any suspicion is brought up. This happened both today and yesterday, I'll try to find the quotes real quick.

[Radical Rat]

TNE is town regardless

I actually feel worse on Vedith now

I'm having trouble reading radical rat

I don't know on FA either

TNE is town.

Shiro is who I

Wouldn't

want to lynch out of the lurkers

By the way it's comical that Dire chat seemingly was full of all the hard lurkers

There's actually less here than I thought there was, but also in the pre-game Dunnstral became suspicious of Fire after Fire expressed a scumread on Earth.

I could have sworn there were more posts like the first one I quoted though...
Still, I don't have any better reads.

[Radical Rat]

What's Snarky saying right now?

[Radical Rat]

guys can we kick some activity into this game or?

Your slot has posted the least.

[Radical Rat]

guys can we kick some activity into this game or?

Your slot has posted the least.

Instead of attacking me:

Someone give me a catchup. i'm going to read back but help a guy build some momentum

Day One:
We lynched Snarky Snowman, who flipped Town, on the grounds that he was posting in the Dire PT, and elsewhere on the site according to Vedith, but refused to post much in the main thread claiming to be too busy.
Shiro used her Spirit Siphon ability to create a PT with the late Snarky.

Night One:
Vedith was killed, and flipped Survivor.

Day Two:
People start voting me since, despite me insisting otherwise, I was being read as Survivor, and somehow people thought I claimed it. I disprove that line of thinking by quoting posts where I refuted these allegations, and some where I clearly stated that Vedith was my survivor readhas, also eliminating any reason for me to have made or allowed that kill.
Ircher claimed to have roleblocked Fire Assassin, along with any potential visitors.
Dunnstral misinterpreted this as sorting a guilty, and fakeclaimed the guilty to draw the NK away from Ircher. He admitted this once Ircher's claim was better specified.
From there, the votes have naturally spread out to where they are now.

[Radical Rat]

I've already said all I can say.

But I'm reading.

[Radical Rat]

A game of mine just ended which proved me, once again, how my gut was correct Day 1 but I got influenced by other people pushing me into explaining reads. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66833 Ofc none of the scum got lynched because nobody ever listens to me.
So lets do smart things now and sheep me on Rat ok.

Maybe the smart thing for scum to do.

Look, I know that right now my reads are sketchy. I'm nervous about them too, because like I said, I'm townreading Earth and Dunn. But you can't ALL be town, so I have to lynch someone. Which is why I'm going for the lower risk of the two.

I have to just ask you to trust that I'm Town. Vedith's death backs up that claim too.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, I didn't want to take my vote off Earth today, but hiplop is starting to give me some really bad vibes.

I don't like how very little effort has been put into the game, yet he's already making a lynch line.
I also don't like that he decided Dunnstral was confscum based on one post that, to me anyway, didn't seem very AI.

So, while I feel bad lynching you right after you replace in...

VOTE: Hiplop

[Radical Rat]

I'm townreading Earth and Dunn.

Didn't niqqa just say that he's confident I'm scum?

That really warrants a vote TBH

I did not say that.
I said I was confident that you and Dunn are together.

[Radical Rat]

Sadly, I'm intelligence based.

But no, I refuse to die today.

Enfeeble: hiplop

Assuming my vibes on hiplop are correct, scum only had one vote for the next 24 hours.

Let's make these hours count.

[Radical Rat]

You've lost your voting ability for 24 hours.
I'm back down to L-2.

[Radical Rat]

fuck off ircher

10/10 gameplay
Would nominate for Scummie.

[Radical Rat]

im literally confirmed town

How, exactly?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: irchrr

Why not

You still can't vote.

[Radical Rat]

It's my understanding that a no lynch is always an awful idea.

It's the one kill the town has control over, and to give that up and just wait for the Mafia to kill us... Bad plan.

[Radical Rat]

And now, we wait.

[Radical Rat]

I don't want to hammer this.

It's tempting, but I feel much better about a hiplop lynch than an Ircher lynch.

[Radical Rat]

I'll do it if we run out of time, but this is really making me nervous.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Dunnstral

thank god

What, so you can't vote for Dunnstral unless someone else is too?

[Radical Rat]

ircher is prob just weaktown

Then why were you trying to lynch him?

[Radical Rat]

vote ircher

I'm sorry, what happened to him being weaktown?

[Radical Rat]

Are you really this bad radical or

I'm sorry, why would I NOT be critical of someone suddenly voting their alleged townread with no explanation?

[Radical Rat]

My decision is hiplop.

Last time I let the emotional manipulation and "are you really this bad" posts dissuade me from a wagon, the slot was Scum.
I'm not making that mistake again.

[Radical Rat]

I just want to throw my hands up in the air and quit.
VOTE: Ircher

Seriously, this Ircher wagon is shit, but so is Hiplop.

We should have lynched Dunnstral.

Since they're both "shit" could I convince you to vote Hiplop instead?

[Radical Rat]

Well, for starters, Hiplop takes fewer votes meaning less chance of stalling into a no-lynch.

[Radical Rat]

shut up scum

I could say the same to you

[Radical Rat]

Whoops, sorry about the page too Frozen

[Radical Rat]

Page top*

Damn mobile mafia...

[Radical Rat]

Well, it isn't me, but if you are Town, I apologize.

[Radical Rat]

I'm probably leaning towards Ircher tomorrow... If you flip Town.

[Radical Rat]

When you flip scum, I'll go for Fire Assassin

[Radical Rat]

So.... You were TRYING to attract suspicion...

And you're upset that it got you lynched?

Whatever man.

[Radical Rat]

Well, guess we don't need to worry about lynching Dunnstral because he just got DESTROYED

[Radical Rat]

all u gotta do is press view your posts to see who is scum, dunnstral! silly goose

[Radical Rat]

@mod
Would I be able to Brain Sap that mystery vote on me?

[Radical Rat]

At this point though, every single dead person had a scumread on Ircher.
I'm going to follow them.

VOTE: Ircher[/vote[

[Radical Rat]

Fuck.

VOTE: Ircher

[Radical Rat]

Well, !@#$.

I think this is actually the first game I've played on-site where I was just 100% wrong. Live and learn I suppose.

Still, it was fun, if a bit frustrating at times.
Thanks for the swaggin' setup Frozen, and thanks for making it a good time everyone else.

If it's alright, I'd like to
/pre-in
for the next round.

[Radical Rat]

I noticed that too.

We may not be equipped to deal with secret mafia uprisings, but we'll still win the Radiant/Dire war.