Mini 1795: Science [GAME OVER]

[KuroiXHF]

lurk a derping the whole game

So is Aneninen. Why does he get a pass?

[KuroiXHF]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=27548
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=24164

ChilledTea posted more, and had more content. Aneninen, at the beginning, posted a bit and added to the conversation. Now, it's all, "Oh, I'll post tomorrow" or some other BS prodge.

[KuroiXHF]

They are busted. Sorry. It's basically just ChilledTea and Aneninen's ISOs.

[KuroiXHF]

Cakez, I am not lurking. If you have something to ask, then do so.

SirCakez isn't responding, but he is active and online. This makes me think it's throwing shade. You can consider him dropped to the same level as JavaJoe now.

[KuroiXHF]

Yes I didn't look at this game for a few hours must be scum hurr durr
Chilled you are lurking though. You're barely engaging or pushing anyone.

You didn't look at this game for hours but you post only a few minutes after I call you out on it?

Beetlejuice.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't even know what that means.

You call ChilledTea a lurker.
Tea pretty much challenges you to ask, saying that he's engaging and willing to deal with the big boy questions.
You hide and want to let that part of the conversation go in the midst of other topics.
I call you out on it.
You laugh it aside.

[KuroiXHF]

It seems like a lackluster excuse to me. I'm not sure how much I'm buying it.

But with your vengeful, the fact that you scum read me and RC's hostage-vote on me, I'm kind of stuck anyway.

[KuroiXHF]

Which part of my last post confuses you? I basically said I don't buy it, but you don't need to worry about me voting you.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm stuck because RadiantCowbells is thinking it's somehow a good idea to force me to vote my top townread. If I take my vote off of him, I see no reason on him hammering me.

So yeah, even if I want to vote you, I can't without worrying that he's going to lynch me.

[KuroiXHF]

I've explained it before. I've recently played a game where we were scum buddies and this game, his actions and behavior is 100% different.

[KuroiXHF]

I can't link it now but I did earlier this game. It's Guns Ahoy over in Little Italy. Take a look at his playing style and look here. There's a huge difference.

Feel free to peruse the private topic, if you can see it.

[KuroiXHF]

Playing these what if games are not productive at all. You can ask that after one of is dead.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't think it's wrong at all to put pressure on GIF and ask questions. Even townies should feel the heat.

And yes, I still think GIF is a townie.

[KuroiXHF]

Also if I can't get FA lynched today Aneninen is a great choice for blatantly BSing about someone's scum meta to paint them red.

Want to vote Aneninen? I've made it clear that I'd vote him today.
RC, is that OK? Pretty please?

I don't think it's wrong at all to put pressure on GIF and ask questions. Even townies should feel the heat.

And yes, I still think GIF is a townie.

Bro that wasn't a pressure
That was literally a poor attempt to throw shades on me.

You're not dying today. There's no reason to even worry about that.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't think you got my point.
I'm not talking about whether I get lynched.
I'm talking about how quick they need to eat rope.

Fair point.

[KuroiXHF]

(Kuroi, Chilled, FA)
I'm prob not voting outside of this

So maybe I need to revisit your assessment of me. Yesterday, you defended me to the point of definitely saying that I "won't be lynched today."

What's changed? Java?

[KuroiXHF]

Yep

Fair enough, although Java is vague as shit. Would you at least be able to promise me that if I die, you'd go after Java tomorrow?

Also your posting today has pinged me a lot

Really? Which ones?

[KuroiXHF]

The stuff where you went after me for not posting for a few hours when chilled asked me about how he was lurking
That's not AI at all

Of course it is, The ability to blend in by appearing to scum hunt is one of scum's greatest tools. But anyways, thanks for answering. Was curious is all.

[KuroiXHF]

I didn't ask RC to vote someone. He obviously didn't want me to vote for Fire Assassin, possibly because they're scum buddies.

I want to vote Aneninen without him turning onto me.

[KuroiXHF]

Good.

VOTE: Aneninen

GIF, join me.

[KuroiXHF]

fucks sake adenine is obvtown to anyone with a cursory understanding of his meta.

Considering you don't have a cursory understand of the spelling of his name, I'm going to say no.

kuroi I don't fucking care anymore I will happily lynch you if you're going to pull this shit.

And people are more happy to lynch you, including me. I'm just not going to vote you because I know that you want me to act based on my emotions. You can trick a lot of people into doing that, but not me. Plus, regardless of the amount of people who want me dead, they'd rather you dead more - at least, first.

[KuroiXHF]

One more thing. Aneninen, since you claimed Niels Bohr, why did you visit Meeseeks/Ranger N1?

[KuroiXHF]

okay i just thought id be a bit cheeky and clever, serious mode now

im yttrium, investigative neighbour

would rather not disclose the exact nature of either my investigative or who my neighbours are because the ones who need to know already know because theyre in the hood thank you very much

Investigative neighbor. Could someone possibly tell me what that means? The fact that he's investigative could mean someone wanted him dead.

[KuroiXHF]

What's the matter? Do you townread Aneninen? If so, why not vote him? You did the same with Ranger.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm not discrediting you. You discredited yourself.

[KuroiXHF]

Want to wait another two days for an answer on that?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm fine. For all you know, I could be Aneninen's buddy and doing scum theater since day one, but I think we just caught Aneninen in a lie.

[KuroiXHF]

Yes. Three people visited Yttrium.

Night one, I visited everyone to see who they visited.

[KuroiXHF]

Yes, including myself. Three people in total visited Meeseeks/Ranger/Yttrium on night one.

Want to know how many people visited you?

[KuroiXHF]

Sure. And if that is the case, then it's probable that you both are in agreement. It's possible he was not counting himself.

See, if you say that, then of course he would say, "Oh yeah! Of course I forgot!" I've already said who visited him other than me, which was just plain obvious.

And no one visited you - other than me, but then again, I've already said I visited everyone.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, Cabd needs to be poked.
And needs to listen to Java and do something.

[KuroiXHF]

One shit global tracker. And who is TAT?

[KuroiXHF]

I don't understand your question.

[KuroiXHF]

First off, I forgot to mention it was flavor, so I don't know who in this game visited who unless you claimed your flavor.

Then let's say JavaJoe and I visited you last night, it would say:

KuroiXHF visited Cabd
JavaJoe24 visited Cabd.

[KuroiXHF]

you say who everyone in the game visited for one night?

No. I'm saying if someone did visit someone else on Night One, I'd know about it.

[KuroiXHF]

what?

I'm saying if you visited someone night one, I'd know about it. But I'm NOT saying everyone visited someone night one.

[KuroiXHF]

The flavor's name is string theory.

[KuroiXHF]

I fucked up in my last post. Yeah, it only shows flavor. Like I've said before.

[KuroiXHF]

Also, I'm going on a limb - GIF is fun chemistry jokes.

[KuroiXHF]

By the way - hinthint. 8 days left.

[KuroiXHF]

I said night one, not last night.

I did nothing last night. I visited no one last night.

Now get your vote off me.

[KuroiXHF]

And you actually got me nervous because I thought I mistakenly said last night. If I did, I don't think I'd be able to survive that error.

[KuroiXHF]

I've answered that question, to the best of my ability at least, to the post after that.

String Theory is the flavor name of one of the scum. I don't know about the other two.

[KuroiXHF]

I've explained it in 1594.

[KuroiXHF]

Has anyone even

looked

at why Chilled is overwhelmingly unlikely to be town?

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi, can you confirm that there is a flavor Sheldon cooper? Also, who visited the string theory on night one? Anyone? I think we can find this scum based on PoE.

I can't confirm a Sheldon Cooper. If he exists, he hasn't visited anyone or has been visited by anyone on Night One. Also, I don't have anyone visiting string theory. It confuses me because I thought Sir Cakez's role was reflexive or something like that/

Also, I haven't really considered chilled tea, what is the case on him?

Please let me know if you find one.

Java you are literally the worst.

ChilledTea/Fire Assassin. pick one.

Why shouldn't we just lynch you?

"Why shouldn't we just lynch you?" That doesn't sound like a claim to me.

[KuroiXHF]

RC, I think you're just pulling names out a hat and saying, "Let's lynch him!"

[KuroiXHF]

Although my one, yet substantial worry about Java is that he's been much more active. This isn't him being on a lunch break or whatever. He's NEVER this active in a game.

[KuroiXHF]

Like I said before, this is(was until yesterday) my only game. So my attention isn't pulled very thin like it used to be. Kuroi, after everyone flavor claims you should give a list of your results so town can have it in case you are night killed. Do not give that list until everyone has claimed though! I am just gonna ignore you scum!RC

Wait. You were arguing for that list until I finally gave some of it. You and SirCakez were. Now you're telling me not to give it? I don't know how much bullshit I'm going you think I'm going to take from you, but I'm not taking it.

[KuroiXHF]

It sounds all too convenient, but I'll say for now that Cabd's claim hasn't shown up either. But I noticed one other thing - we have seven days left. Our votes are scattered. We need to start condensing.

And mod, new vote count, please.

[KuroiXHF]

I get Flavor A visits Flavor B. It's described as a global tracker, but I get the visitor and the visitee. It'd work exactly the same if the mod described it as a global watcher.

And no, I only see if there's an interaction. I don't get "This flavor didn't visit anyone."

From what I understand, only scum get the powerful roles. If I had all the names, this could go down very easily.

[KuroiXHF]

I feel like these questions are more gauging me to see how worth it I am to kill, rather than how useful they are to lynch someone.

[KuroiXHF]

I say we condense this down to Aneninen, ChilledTea and RadiantCowbells.

I'm fine with any of these being lynched.
Except ChilledTea, of course.

[KuroiXHF]

Im not town reading FA. I'm actually consider voting him now to bring him to l-1

[KuroiXHF]

Im not town reading FA. I'm actually consider voting him now to bring him to l-1

Of course you would scum.

Oh. Good. I'm glad you think I'm scum. So you're going to save me if I'm about to die, right?

[KuroiXHF]

Everyone has investigative properties, so no one is protecting anyone. *sigh*

[KuroiXHF]

Have you ever met Antihero before? His icon is the dog version of Deadpool.

Still, you do bring a valid point I guess.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm saying Antihero as a person, while very, very nice, is a crazy motherfucker.

And I say that in the nicest way possible.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm saying Antihero as a person, while very, very nice, is a crazy motherfucker.

And I say that in the nicest way possible.

[KuroiXHF]

Aneninen needs to be prodded.

Like seriously, how is he not even committing to this game? How stupid does he think we are? Why isn't he already lynched?

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Fire Assassin
You are all crazy for not voting Aneninen, but I'm going back to my first vote.

[KuroiXHF]

You failed to answer how putting us in lylo is town motivated

Just lynch Java. this is unbelievable.

I'm actually going to believe that this is a terrible post from Java. I hear far too often that we're doing something wrong if we don't believe you. It adds no substance. It's an appeal to emotion because it's saying that we're definitely town and if you don't do what we're telling you to do, we're putting ourselves in a bad position. I don't have a lot of faith that you're town, Java. I'm sorry. A lot of it is emotion. A lot of it is you suddenly being more active in a pivotal moment in this game, and I don't buy your excuse.

[KuroiXHF]

Now peeps let's lynch FA.
ISO him and you will see that he's not even trying at this point.

Obviously I agree with you but not with your logic. Aneninen nor Cabd aren't trying either.

If we're going to lynch for scum then I'd rather lynch ChilledTea since I'm locked on him right now.

Yes. We'll lynch Tea because we'll cater to you.

[KuroiXHF]

RC/Java stop squabbling and help lynch scum!chilled

What's your case on Chilled?

[KuroiXHF]

I haven't been able to get a damn answer from anyone and asking me if I can be serious or not means nothing.

[KuroiXHF]

Yes I didn't look at this game for a few hours must be scum hurr durr
Chilled you are lurking though. You're barely engaging or pushing anyone.

Is this the case that you were referring to?

[KuroiXHF]

If you can point it out to me, I'd be happy to check it out. I'm not death town reading Chilled, but outside of Chilled intentionally changing his meta game to fuck with me, I can't see how he's scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Java, there has been a long standing notion that one of the members of the hood is scum. Are you saying that's no longer the case?

[KuroiXHF]

{GIF,FA} town
{Anen, Cabd, chilled} null
{Kuroi, Sircakez} lean scum
{RC} scum

Wait. You said Fire Assassin was almost confirmed town but you put him on the SAME level as confirmed town?

[KuroiXHF]

I think Cabd is scum then?

Where is this coming from?

The macho claims.

How in the hell is a macho claim scummy?

I agree. If anything you just confirmed my claim, and from my point of view makes you almost conftown

Here you go, GIF.

[KuroiXHF]

Java claimed Fire Assassin to be almost as conftown as you, but placed you two at the same level on his reads list.

And that makes zero sense to me.

[KuroiXHF]

While I agree with you on this point Java, and while I even do scumread RC, RC never does shit, even as town.

Also, my key point is it makes no sense to put two people you rate differently together. If you think Fire Assassin is conftown, say so. Otherwise, he's not.

[KuroiXHF]

On a random note - Meeseeks hasn't posted in over three weeks and STILL has more posts than half the living players. lol

[KuroiXHF]

Policy lynches as a general rule is extremely stupid. I want to do previous vote analysis and I will later on today.

[KuroiXHF]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Aneninen - 1 (GuyInFreezer)
KuroiXHF - 1 (Aneninen)
Mr Meeseeks - 1 (MagnaOfIllusion)

shos - 7 (SheldonCooper, SirCakez, Travelling Salesman, Mr Meeseeks, KuroiXHF, Javajoe24)

SirCakez - 2 (chilledtea, Fire Assassin)

Not Voting: Cabd, shos

replacing guyinfreezer

13 alive means it's 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 2-10

chilledtea - 1 (Cabd)
Fire Assassin - 1 (chilledtea)
Ranger - 6 (RadiantCowbells, Travelling Salesman, KuroiXHF, Javajoe24, GuyInFreezer)
Travelling Salesman - 1 (Ranger)

Not Voting: Aneninen, SirCakez

11 alive means it's 6 to lynch.
deadline: (expired on 2016-07-03 19:58:18)

People who lynched both Shos and Ranger

: Sheldon/RC, KuroiXHF (Me), JavaJoe (We should be looking VERY closely in these three.)

People who lynched Shos but NOT Ranger

: Cakez

People who lynched Ranger but NOT Shos

: GIF
With this analysis, I might want to get off the Fire Assassin wagon, but I should probably check on his meta first. Fire Assassin, link me to a completed town and completed scum game please. I want to see if you're always this scummy.

If I get off Fire Assassin, I might look toward Java Joe, RC or Aneninen. He (Aneninen) voted me day one with nothing to support him and he couldn't even be bothered yesterday.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, Cabd should be prodded and Aneninen is off l/va, so he should be prodded too - unless I missed something. (And I don't think I have.)

BTW, I don't buy 1562.

[KuroiXHF]

Glad you're here, Fire Assassin. Want to answer my question about your meta?

[KuroiXHF]

While I agree with you on this point Java, and while I even do scumread RC,

RC never does shit,

even as town.

Also, my key point is it makes no sense to put two people you rate differently together. If you think Fire Assassin is conftown, say so. Otherwise, he's not.

That's absolutely not true.

I've played more than one game where RC was town, and I've never found him useful. Perhaps in your games.

I am calling a cakez, fa, rc scum team. Although cakez claiming vengeful seems so strange for scum.

I agree, but I actually think that Vengeful may be a bluff. I mean, why would scum want to lynch someone who could kill them back?

I don't normally comment on my own meta unless to point out what isn't alignment indicative.
You can check my profile of where I posted to find completed games.

I was really hoping I wouldn't have to do this much work today. I may or may not do this tonight. Have to cook dinner and I'm pretty tired.

[KuroiXHF]

{GuyInFreezer}
{ChilledTea}
{SirCakez, Cabd}
{JavaJoe}
{Aneninen, Radiant Cowbells, Fire Assassin*}

*Need to look up his meta.

[KuroiXHF]

question, why is GIF your top town read?

He's pretty much confirmed town?

[KuroiXHF]

Wait, mod. I'm voting BOTH Aneninen AND Fire Assassin?

[KuroiXHF]

Didn't you say that you don't think I'm scum anymore?
Or do you think I'm not active enough?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm going to look through his games now - feel free to give your opinions:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66734 - Fire Assassin's scum game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66734 - Fire Assassin's town game

[KuroiXHF]

That was a response to kurois 1773, not you cakez.

I am pretty sure I have the scum team pegged now though.

RC, Kuroi, and Cakez. Which happen to be the three most active players other than myself. I have a feeling this town is doomed.

And I don't get your scum read of me. You've been trying for god damn nearly two weeks to try to pin something on me. You've been grilling me, and I've done nothing scummy. I've answered all your questions just fine. At first, I thought it was townie of you to ask questions because it shows that you're engaged and scum hunting. Now, I think you're ridiculous.

[KuroiXHF]

That was a response to kurois 1773, not you cakez.

I am pretty sure I have the scum team pegged now though.

RC, Kuroi, and Cakez. Which happen to be the three most active players other than myself. I have a feeling this town is doomed.

And I don't get your scum read of me. You've been trying for god damn nearly two weeks to try to pin something on me. You've been grilling me, and I've done nothing scummy. I've answered all your questions just fine. At first, I thought it was townie of you to ask questions because it shows that you're engaged and scum hunting. Now, I think you're ridiculous.

[KuroiXHF]

Now you're talking about something else entirely. Why are you trying to convince me that RC is scum? Do you think I disagree with you? And yes, I'm completely aware that people bus. I'm sure there's a world out there where we're bussing right now to distance ourselves. I'm sure there's a world where Fire Assassin and I are scum, and I'm bussing him. I'm sure there's a world where countless other things can happen, so let's not talk about the chance of something not happening, and start talking about chances of things actually happening.

And I understand your opinion. I just don't understand where you go from trying to catch me all die in a lie, failing, and then thinking I'm scum in some way.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't exactly feel hurt or betrayed. I don't care about your little deception. I care about the real facts. If I was scum, there's no reason to let anyone know about the reads I have that can determine if there is scum or not.

[KuroiXHF]

Javajoe, what did you think of Fire Assassin's meta? Do you think his town or scum game closely aligns more with this game?

[KuroiXHF]

I disagree with you. I mean, not even looking says a lot.

...Did

anyone

look?

[KuroiXHF]

Forget my last few posts. I'm now sticking with my Fire vote.

[KuroiXHF]

"I'm not going to quote this, but..."
*uses quotation marks.*

[KuroiXHF]

I'll say this ONE more time - We are not lynching Chilled.

[KuroiXHF]

I did... You're not getting it.

[KuroiXHF]

SirCakez, if you're voting Chilled instead of scum, you're proving you're scum and I'll vote you tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Is there some reason I'm unaware of for townreading Kuroi and RC?

Do you want to... I don't know - DO SOMETHING this game?

[KuroiXHF]

The majority of people, as you say, are wrong I believe. Especially since most of them are scum....

OK. I'm probably going to vote you tomorrow, depending on what we find tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Excuse me, not most, just half. Kuroi and cakez

Giving scum a vengeful is like giving scum a freaking dayvig.

The only concern isn't if SirCakez, the vengeful, is scum - but rather, if he's really vengeful.

[KuroiXHF]

Claiming vengeful = lynch me

Right. It's a bluff.
I'm not going to call it.

[KuroiXHF]

...fucking fine.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi you're a fucking dumbass.

There's a lot of people who think that I'm a dumbass. Join the club. They meet every.... every... eh... Well, I would know but I don't because I'm a dumbass.

[KuroiXHF]

This game is terrible.

[KuroiXHF]

RC is town?

Fuck this.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[KuroiXHF]

Don't take too long. We have less than two days.

And your waiting really comes across as making sure we have a no-lynch.

[KuroiXHF]

GIF also said Fire Assassin was town. So now we have six confirmed?

There's no way that's possible.

[KuroiXHF]

Not going to hammer now that RC is now confirmed town.

I can't believe GIF now. If he has some sort of night ability that can confirm, there's no way he can be able to confirm like four people in two night phases.

[KuroiXHF]

GIF also said Fire Assassin was town.

What the shit

What are you talking about? I just quoted you. Look - seriously - ONE post above yours.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh wait. I see the issue. I misspoke. Right, he said RC was town.

I fucking hate this RC/FA crap. It's fucking with my mind.

[KuroiXHF]

This is fucking ridiculous. I've been trying to lynch scum all day but we can't agree upon CLEAR scum to lynch and yes, I've been showing all of you,

I don't think chilled tea is scum but I'm not going to have a no lynch. I'm sorry.

VOTE: chilled tea

We lynch fire assassin tomorrow. No fucking ifs ands or butts

[KuroiXHF]

Happy birthday, Cakez!

VOTE: Aneninen

[KuroiXHF]

God damn, I keep forgetting shit.

This is lylo.

UNVOTE:

[KuroiXHF]

Your case on anen Kuroi?

It's obvious, and said. I've said it many times.

Long story short, doesn't contribute, tunnels, skates by, coasts by.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm totally interested in DrippingGoofball's catchup, though.

[KuroiXHF]

Organic chemistry is difficult. Those who study it have alkynes of trouble.

/Bah

THATS NOT HOW YOU PRONOUN CE ALKYNES

That's not how you spell pronounce, you dingus.

[KuroiXHF]

We're lynching Aneninen. Duh.

[KuroiXHF]

Aneninen! So awesome for you to come back.

Want to give us some reads so that you could at least pretend to be town?

[KuroiXHF]

I've used no night actions last night.

[KuroiXHF]

I want to do something productive instead of sitting on my hands with my thumb up my ass waiting for Cabd to come back.

VOTE: Cabd

[KuroiXHF]

Ok, I am ok to lynch DGB now.

kuroi

please unvote so I can place the first vote

UNVOTE:
Testing your double vote?

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry to have buddies you, Tea.

But yeah, I feel like we took advantage or bad town

[KuroiXHF]

I'll take my mvp scum award now lol

[KuroiXHF]

Yeah, I agree Plot. I simply said what I did because I think you would find me scum otherwise.

There are a ton of players everyone puts on a pedestal that sometimes have off games.

No one is immune from this. No one.

[KuroiXHF]

Also if it helps, if I was town I would have scum read Ranger too.

[KuroiXHF]

I wanted to lynch GIF because he seemed to be the source of who's clear and who wasn't.

[KuroiXHF]

That's why we weren't so worried about you. Yeah, your reads were mostly decent, but I always felt like I had wiggle room. In the beginning, I was able to lead you to Meeseeks. Then I could get you to vote RC. I wasn't all too worried, to be honest.

But to be honest, I felt like I was taking advantage of poor town play.

[KuroiXHF]

That dead thread was hilarious.

When I said, "I'm sure there's a world where Fire Assassin and I are scum and we're bussing each other," that was for you.