Mini 1816: Magical Girls Mafia (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pieguyn
The pie is a lie

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pieguyn
The pie is a lie

this is clearly made up as a reason for voting me. I am now going to deathtunnel you into the ground.

vote: Cakez-kun

Not again

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cakez-kun
If you say so

[SirCakez]

I would townread Nati but the last time I townread someone for a post restriction they were scum (I'm assuming that is a post restriction and not some gimmick)

[SirCakez]

I would townread Nati but the last time I townread someone for a post restriction they were scum (I'm assuming that is a post restriction and not some gimmick)

Post restriction? Like, a way of making me not be able to speak? I don't think I have that...this is how Nene talks!

Like your role making you talk a certain way

I can't tell if you're roleplaying or following a PR that can't mention your PR q.q

[SirCakez]

OK gotcha
Tentative townread on zMuffin

[SirCakez]

Don't let that zMuff snow you, dude's a sick nasty savage pro-baller. I wouldn't be surprised if his magical girl was Shaquille O'Neil.

Now let me tell you what's up:
I'm going to start with an OMGUS.
VOTE: TheNewEarth
Then I'm gonna propose that we think of how we use our fucking magic gauge, okay?
Then I'm gonna say that Nati's self-imposed Post Restriction is cute, but distancing and distracting.

Seems sketchy

[SirCakez]

IMO have people use their own judgement
If you're a Cop or Vig fire off, if you're something weak or potentially antitown like a PGO then hold off

[SirCakez]

Beeboy has posted? All of your posts looked like Luna posts.

[SirCakez]

Just signing your posts would help ya
I've taken most of what you've said so far as NAI since I assumed Luna

[SirCakez]

Ok thanks for that Luna

Took a quick read through your ISO with that list and can safely call HM a town read now, a lot of the posts I thought were Luna were Beeboy and they were definitely town indicators coming from him

[SirCakez]

I believe that neither Cakez nor I nor anyone else in this town need to worry about me going full insane-tunnel mode on Cakez this game.

yey

I am town. zmuffin, are you town?

I too am town. For some reason your post really stuck out to me as town. No sarcasm intended.

This pings me. Why try to jump in here and grab a way to posture yourself as town?

[SirCakez]

1. I like to be townread

Since when? You didn't care at all about townreads on you in kuribo in wonderland.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: zakk
There's nothing AI in 42 and you're being dodgy about my questioning over you're "want to be townread" thing

[SirCakez]

Why zakk?

[SirCakez]

Townreading HM, Varsoon, zakk, Cakez, pie

I feel the beginning of a VERY SEXY town block forming

This game is gonna be *boooonkers* hard for scum, tbh

This game is going to be so much fucking fun

^ more posturing himself into looking town

I like his reads and his reasoning.

pedit: I liked your contribution to action planning.

Iffy but ok

[SirCakez]

I think Heat is town btw.

actually yeah

i kinda have a vested interest in not having the pf gauge overheat n1

This post doesn't make me feel "this is town"

I feel like town would be more likely to WANT an actiongasm on N1

Also the not-so-subtle hinting that "hey I have a role that would be AWESOME if we don't overheat guys!" sounds like it could be scum d1 posturing

I disagree with this, at least the second part. I don't think scum would be trying to set up a "super strong!" fakeclaim this early on.

I feel his posts are too fillerish for my liking. There's no real attempt to get reads.

This is the same vibe I'm getting from his posts and I would vote there but zakk is scummier.

Gah I have resigned myself to the fact that since you are one of the few people here who has seen me play scum more than once, and in rapid succession, you are in high paranoia mode. And that's fine. But give it time you'll probably come around. All I ask for is a chance to prove myself town to you

This is
A) a game I have strong early reads in
B) a game I was in from the beginning
C) a game I know more than a few people in
D) a game I am really excited for the flavor

So you will be surprised at my activity level most likely

Surprised and annoyed, but in hindsight you'll be thankful (if you're town)
Sorry if that comes off conceited as fuck, but hey it is what it is

<3

it occurs to me that this wouldn't actually be a bad game for a mass claim d1

No that would be terrible.

why would scum need fakeclaims. thats silly.

Seriously?

Varsoon what reads do you possess other then tne!scum? You've got a lot of mechanics talk and not much scumhunting.

[SirCakez]

I know you don't think so but I do

[SirCakez]

Yes, we've been scum buddies before in Killer Instinct and I've seen his scum game in the large normal I modded
And then I was scum and he was town in Kuribo in Wonderland

In Kuribo he cared much less about how many townreads he was getting and he basically coasted the whole game
Meanwhile in the two scum games I saw he was much more like he is here, trying to make sure people's view of him is good, trying to look like he's doing things, etc.

[SirCakez]

tne just digging his hole deeper

[SirCakez]

Tne wagon seems too easy rn

there's only like three votes which have come slowly, how is that a "too easy" wagon?

[SirCakez]

Mod made a mistake

[SirCakez]

what is the reason for the SirCakez wagon?

I thought it was a leftover from RVS

Who do you prefer heat

if we're being honest, probably wisdom or you

ew

Tne wagon seems too easy rn

there's only like three votes which have come slowly, how is that a "too easy" wagon?

the only reasons ive seen for u guys voting tne (other than varsoon iirc) is like "tne hasn't posted anything constructive" which is NAI 4 me

There've been more reasons given then that.

[SirCakez]

Cakez is fucking right about zakk's posts. it's a lot of shallow commentary that isn't really showing any critical thinking, and seems more engineered to look like he's doing things when he isn't.

things i'm doing which are town

1. creating activity
2. creating conflict (rubbing people the wrong way, reaction testing people)
3. taking strong stances on things
4. attempting to clear people as town so we can PoE

things i'm doing which are scummy

1. shallow commentary? where... ?

...you bein' dumb.

This is completely terrible, he's barely doing any of the things he's listed and most of them are NAI anyway (1, 2, 3)

Pieguyn~, your push lacks any fangs, man.
Why even go after Zakk and Natirasha?

I could see Nati as low-hanging fruit (we're all waiting on real content from her) but how is zakk low hanging fruit?

[SirCakez]

But he usually only puts in earnest effort as scum from what I've seen of him (._. )

[SirCakez]

So, then, is he always a policy lynch for you?
Useless as town, only actually involved/putting in effort as scum?

I think he should be judged by the merits of his posting here, alone. I don't think it's as egregious as people make it out to be.

this makes no sense
how did you get from "not that useful as town" to "do you PL him?"

[SirCakez]

@Cakez: You're saying he only puts in this sort of effort as scum, right? Then is effort not indicative of town play for him?

You know what I mean, stop twisting my words

[SirCakez]

I said he only puts earnest effort as scum, you ask if I always PL him
Then you said that means effort is not indicative of his town play which is also not what I meant

[SirCakez]

I said he only puts earnest effort as scum, you ask if I always PL him
Then you said that means effort is not indicative of his town play which is also not what I meant

Yes, those were suggestions for how you think we should handle a Zakk who puts forth that his effort is genuine.
What do you think, Cakez? Should he be policy lynched until Effort is a null-tell for him?
Or do you think that he already does put in effort as town--which kinda goes against your earlier statement?
Basically, how do you think we should handle the Zakk slot, given his meta and his involvement in this game so far?
Why did you propose that he typically only puts in effort as scum?

Spoiler:

[SirCakez]

No that post just melts my brain, it's not that I don't want to answer

[SirCakez]

it's not even just that, the way he's responding to Cakez is the same way. "zakk puts in much more effort as scum" does not warrant a whole discussion about "OMG how should we handle his slot???" and "will you just policy lynch him in every game until he does more as town" which isn't in any way related to what Cakez' original point actually was.

So I'm not going crazy, good to know

[SirCakez]

I'm fine giving Varsoon some space for now
but if zakk scumflips guess where I'm going next

[SirCakez]

because you do lol

[SirCakez]

In Mass Effect you gave a decent effort but that game was also vastly different from standard games
In Kuribo you gave 0 shits

[SirCakez]

I can't remember any other town games of yours

[SirCakez]

(._. )

[SirCakez]

Yeah, Cakez is the kind of idiot that would rolestop me every day compulsively, rendering my role useless but also saving me from dying many times.

q.q

[SirCakez]

Yeah but heat I'm town and you're not soooooo :sass emoji:

This is the kind of garbage that makes me scumread you

[SirCakez]

Nati lemme know when you decide to stop messing around.

I'm not messing around!! This is how Nene is! I can't stop being meee.

VOTE: Kuroko

VOTE: Natirasha


Im done, I want this dead

Unless you're trying to PL or something this is a bad vote.

Yeah but heat I'm town and you're not soooooo :sass emoji:

This is the kind of garbage that makes me scumread you

stop throwing shade on me pls

I'm obvtown in my own mind

It's not throwing shade, don't misrep me.

Akame hydra can be town, good catchup. Though I disagree on their HM read.

[SirCakez]

If they are dead null why did you just vote them O.o?

[SirCakez]

If they are dead null why did you just vote them O.o?

AK is Akane and Kurome, Kuroko is Kuroi I think.

what about AK's catchup did you like, anrd do you disagree with what I wrote in 579?

Ah got mixed up
I reread the catchup to check and it's not as good as I thought initially, but it's not vote worthy for me. The way she developed reads throughout it felt natural and town to me. The skimmy questioning felt bad though.

[SirCakez]

The way she developed reads throughout it felt natural and town to me.

it's really, really easy to fake natural-sounding read progressions in catch-ups (hi Luna). none of the reads she had there are close to unfakeable in my eyes.

can you give me an example of a specific read she had that you thought looked town?

I think their zmuffin read, while weak, looks genuinely thought out.

zmuffin is 100% correct about AK's catchup. it was nothing but surface level comments and weak questions that don't lead anywhere. there's no depth of thought, nothing that shows she's actually reading what people are writing and thinking critically about it, and the only actual reason or point she gave for scum reading anyone throughout all of it was Varsoon's claim and zmuffin being scum for pushing a mass claim on D1; their justification for the latter was "town will be careful with what they're proposing" and "town wouldn't drop the massclaim immediately after suggesting it", which not only is really superficial but flat-out false (zmuffin had openly stated several times when he first pushed the mass claim that he knew it had like a 0% chance of happening). their reaction to zmuffin in their last few posts was similarly bad and read more as obfuscation than anything.

>.>

Are you kidding me. Its surface level comments and catchup as a start ooint for talking with people for me. I'll do that in all my catchup posts which I usuallly never need to do unless in large games. I made y reads clear I read 20 fucking pages and commented on every single important matter in the game , I made my point about why I'm scumreading heat clear and I explained my other reads like zakk and zmuffin's

My justification for that FOS is perfectly correct and I think zmuffin is scummy for it.

and what about my fucking reaction to him was bad? he claimed he is interacting with me, he asked questions that I answered completly in detail but when he reached my question he doesn't want to answer it?

I think your town now respectfully back of

~Akame

And this reaction also feels really town
Though I always townread FA's AtE :/

[SirCakez]

Unvote

I'm starting to think that FA's just misunderstood townie ^_^;;
This is my current stance but i dont know how to read FA so if beeboy wants to override this stance he can and i wont complain.

Took you too long to figure this out.

pieguy, you know kuroi is being lynched today, right?

i mean, barring something magical coming along that makes someone else a better lynch

when are you going to vote him?

Why would we lynch someone who is dead null and lynchbait? This post sucks.

Dude you know what would solve this?
VOTE: TNE

That would help, ya.

Wisdom, what the fuck is wrong with your reads?

none of what AK posted is even remotely close to town, and I find it scummy as fuck that FA is being this ridiculously toxic for no good reason *even after* I told her what she was doing wasn't helpful and to come back after she calmed down a bit. I can understand some toxicity, but at this point I have to think she's doing it deliberately in order to hopefully get town read as "frustrated town". her reads are all still really shallow, and she is probably going to come in here and make 1000 posts about "I'VE EXPLAINED MY READS AND THEY AREN'T SHALLOW GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO HARASS", but if you actually try and look at all of her posts where she gives reasoning and look at what the reasoning behind her scum reads are, there's hardly anything there. it's nowhere near town and I've seen much greater depth of thought from town-FA in the past (in a fucking game where you couldn't even speak in English, no less).

and you think HM somehow looks *worse* there?

WTF?

She ALWAYS does this. It's annoying, but she's prob town.

hm

im gonna take a stab and say wisdom doesn't want to bus kuroi

Also garbage

zmuffin

can you talk to me about this, too? if you've explained it already, link please because I probably missed it in the 9000 posts that happened recently.

He has barely produced any content despite having posted a lot, he encourages Nati's bullshit and even posts noise himself (like the bully stuff), he half-assedly tried to push a massclaim and then retracted it, his "look at this post and find what's scummy" posts as opposed to directly arguing why something is scummy feel like manipulation, he ignores points and strawmans whatever is convenient.

I am not 100% confident because all these issues could be a ridiculous playstyle, but so far he fits the definition of the manipulative scum.

I could buy into this after reading zMuffin's recent posts, they're scummy as shit and his massclaim push earlier was terrible.

[SirCakez]

I could buy into this after reading zMuffin's recent posts, they're scummy as shit and his massclaim push earlier was terrible.

um, Cakez?

Wisdom's reasoning for scum reading zmuffin is really poor (the fact that my first inclination was that it was disingenuous should give you an idea of this). I also think if you think zmuffin's recent posts are scummy, you're approaching your read on him wrong; him being cagey about his reasoning for his reads does not mean he has no reasoning or that he's making his reads up, it just means he's working towards a different goal right at this second than "elaborate on all of my reads immediately". you don't necessarily elaborate on all of your reads when you get them, you might choose to do other things and see what happens first. all it means is he's doing the latter.

I think what he's doing here is fairly typical from him as town, and also, why do you think scum-zmuffin would play like this? do you think it's out of necessity, or... ? because if I can say another thing, zmuffin is absolutely not the kind of player who needs to do things like this as scum. he might do it as an attempt to emulate his town game, but he definitely would not think "I don't know how to look town, let's push a mass claim" or "I don't have any reads, let's make up a read on Kuroi and say Wisdom is bussing him".

I still don't know why you or anyone else finds the massclaim push earlier scummy at all, because it really isn't.

I would like to see some response from him in regards to the first point here, right now to me it just looks fake. You may be right.

I've never seen zMuffin's play outside of PYP 6 which I just watched from the outside and didn't pay too close attention to, so I don't know the intricacies of his play. I'm just going with what I generally know of mafia.

The massclaim push was scummy because it was completely unnecessary and there was no point or reason to try to push it outside of outing town roles.

[SirCakez]

pie can be scum as well. he is litteally buddying with wisdom and white knighting people for shallow reasons.

he ignored my question about his read on HM but answered the same question later to wisdom

that was the only question I asked from him

Pie isn't buddying Wisdom? She's pushing him as scum.

I've never seen zMuffin's play outside of PYP 6 which I just watched from the outside and didn't pay too close attention to, so I don't know the intricacies of his play. I'm just going with what I generally know of mafia.

I don't mean from a meta POV, I mean it directly, i.e. "what do you think scum-zmuffin has to actually gain by playing in the way he is playing here?". I don't think it really makes sense to push him over how he's pushing his reads unless you think he finds it difficult to come up with actual viable fake reads (and if this is the case I can say this would never happen); if it's something else, walk me through it.

I think that by and large, people who get caught up on "outing town roles" like you're doing here are largely misguided, but I'm not going to argue that. I actually would have agreed to a D1 massclaim if I thought it had any chance of going through, since it's theoretically really not as bad as the majority of people think. (alternatively, think what Rob did in Borderlands where he threw a fit over not wanting to out his role and invented a bunch of bullshit reasons it'd be better for him to not claim, none of which were true, I explained why they weren't true, he went "LEL NOPE" and then proceeded to not get any more results the whole game anyway . . .)

He gains the ability to coast on bs reads like his Kuroi read and not actually have to back up anything. It seems rather transparent to me.

I don't think zMuffin was just "misguided" here with what else he's spewing.

Can we lynch zMuffinMan now

I would be down for this.

yes, of course, but unless he *actually* does something town, kuroi is still getting lynched today and you're getting lynched after him

I am not townreading this period sorry Pie

Alright.

VOTE: zakk

Let's bus my buddy.

Hey you finally came around on this.

[SirCakez]

Vote: thenewearth

Only wagon worth being on

Though I'm going to be real salty if anyone is lynched before Natirasha even makes a legit post

Or you guys could mislynch me and put me out of the misery that is this game too

I could be down for that plan

I will now proceed to lurk until:

the wagon on me dies

I get lynched

Or Natirasha begins actually playing

Ciao

These posts are all scummy af. Not presenting any defense or counterargument, instead just running away.

KuroiXHF (3): Natirasha, Honey Moon, zMuffinMan

Hoh boy what a shit wagon.

^

[SirCakez]

Zakk bro you're constantly saying and promising that you're town but you're not actually acting town ffs

[SirCakez]

-readslist-

You have only two scumreads?

a policy lynch on randomidget is about the only alternative id accept to a kuroi lynch today

More ew

Scumpool: {Heat, zakk, random, Nati}

zMuffon isn't in your scum pool anymore?

i mean you know what they are, right? quick, varsoon, shouldnt take you even a minute

Aw man, now I feel and look like a chump for leaving and doing something else.
But shit, even look at their most recent post, 974:
They clearly say they have a town vibe coming from Honey due to the tone and presentation of a quoted post.
They express a scumread on randomidget for a quoted post that pinged them.
They express a scumread on AK over a quoted post.

Like, it feels very clear cut to me.

Also,
VOTE: Randomidget

Because I think this wagon might actually go through.

After seeing Ransom's recent posting, Of join a wagon here if it got going.

i

know

what nene's reads are because i've constantly been

asking

what nati's reads are and nati has been consistently

giving

those reads

anyone who doesn't know what nene's reads are isn't paying attention

tne i'm not even arguing about; tne hasn't done shit this game and is a waste of fucking space... i know who tne's scum-reading but that's about it... but tne isn't

pretending

she's scum hunting so i mean, that's the major difference between her and kuroi

Where the hell has Nati given reads? Please provide quotes of this.

[SirCakez]

zMuffon isn't in your scum pool anymore?

no

why?

zakk replace out feels sketchy af

[SirCakez]

because it looked like scum replacing out because he was frustrated he wasn't getting townread
your predecessor was somewhat scummy but others are worse

[SirCakez]

because it looked like scum replacing out because he was frustrated he wasn't getting townread

is this actually a thing? I've had games where I was scum and replaced out because I just couldn't handle it, but that was more based on my RL than a feeling of "nothing I can do will be able to get me town read".

This sounds like what he did really, just reworded.

[SirCakez]

zMuffin can you give your Kuroi read concisely instead of in this mess of posts you've made?

[SirCakez]

you prove it on your own just fine

This, my friends, is a whole lot of talking, but not a lot of saying.

Huh?

[SirCakez]

Remind me again why about half of the people are townreading wisdom

Because he's obviously town and you're just OMGUSing him

Spoiler: Quotes

I might be okay with lynching kuroi after all

I might be okay with lynching kuroi after all

No. You've always been OK with lynching me now that you have support from Muffin.

you're reading a different game then

you're reading a different game then

I've never accused you for saying this, but I've accused you as scum and thus, want me dead. You can check out my ISO. I've accused you of coaching Zakk, so yeah. Vote me. I make no allusions of my belief that you're scum.

I am town and I want you dead because you make no sense

I am town and I want you dead because you make no sense

It's easy to tell me I make no sense.

It's quite another to actually prove it.

you prove it on your own just fine

you prove it on your own just fine

This, my friends, is a whole lot of talking, but not a lot of saying.

dude you just argued I've always been ok with lynching you when I've been doing the opposite, how much proof can I possibly need

This is not scum theatre.
If one is scum its not with the other.
That means if Kuroi is scum then Wisdom is likely town, and vice versa.
Or they are both town.

This is weak. I definitely think these two would be capable of scum theater here, they have experience with each other.

For the record right now if Wisdm is scum, I believe more likely he would be tied with Pieguyn than with Kuroi at this moment.

And this also makes little sense. Not sure how you got Wis/pieguy.

zMuffin can you give your Kuroi read concisely instead of in this mess of posts you've made?

-snip zmuffin kuroi wall-

tl;dr his reads are pretty shit and the entire tone of his posts is pretty shit

I read through all of this and nothing here is the smoking gun part of your read I was looking for. A lot of this can be attributed to Kuroi's general awkwardness and play style, just check any town game he's been mislynched in. And the rest isn't strong enough for me to want to go there over, say, zakk, random or tne

[SirCakez]

And this also makes little sense. Not sure how you got Wis/pieguy.

Thats not what I was saying. I was saying I thought a team of Wis/Pie was more likely than Wis/Kur.
I can kind of see that as misreading the situation, but I was not saying Pie was scum with Wis.

Hate my life.

well now I know your main lol
Do you townread Wis, then?

[SirCakez]

So then if you think Wisdom is scum and you think if Wisdom is scum then Pie is scum with him then how do you not think Pie is scum with Wisdom?

[SirCakez]

oh
k

[SirCakez]

Varsoon TNE isn't a good lynch today, she's a better vig shot

[SirCakez]

That's not the whole case on zakk and I'm pretty sure you know that

[SirCakez]

read my ISO

[SirCakez]

@varsoon because her lynch tells us very little

[SirCakez]

If it wasn't obvious I have him as null

[SirCakez]

are you serious?

[SirCakez]

I'm waiting for replacements and for drama to die off before adding more here

[SirCakez]

this game was enjoyable until drama started

[SirCakez]

are you an alt long island?

[SirCakez]

random lynch is fine
pick something

[SirCakez]

VOTE: random

[SirCakez]

[quote="In post 1444, long_island_medium"

are you an alt long island?

if by alt you mean alternate account
then
yes[/quote]
Have we played together before? Your typing style looks familiar.

iso akame and tell me with a straight face you don't have a desire on at least some level to burn it at the stake

To PL it? Yeah sure. But I doubt we'd hit scum there.

[SirCakez]

I'm aware, I mean have we played together on your main?

[SirCakez]

if i answered that question then i would be 50% less of an alt

not really, I've played with a lot of people

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

[SirCakez]

if i answered that question then i would be 50% less of an alt

not really, I've played with a lot of people

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

Fences are bad. Stop alt hunting. I still am pissed my alt got outed and haven't been able to play with it since. Stop. I think medium's play is weird but alt hunting is offensive. Medium is medium. I don't give a shit who they "were" it is who they are in this game that matters.

Knowing whether I've played with medium before would help a lot with my reads

will get to this later today, been busy

AUTO GENERATED VOTECOUNT 1.03

MathBlade (5):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji, Varsoon

randomidget (5):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, SirCakez, MathBlade, Pumbaa

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Pumbaa (1):

Akame and Kurome

Not Voting (1):

long_island_medium

13 alive, 7 to lynch, (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51)

Do something

Jfc Varsoon vs Math was terrible to read. Given Varsoon has been a townread all game I'm pretty sure Math is scum here (yes I was wrong earlier about not seeing anything wrong with his posts, his stuff during his 1v1 was garbage), and would lynch there. Random still viable too though.

[SirCakez]

I mean I have more posts then half the game so

[SirCakez]

oh so post count determines how much you've done? then i suppose ive done enough work for the first four day phases, lurking until d5 guys!

You got it!

That's only evcen true because of all the replacements

Actually a fair point <.<

if i answered that question then i would be 50% less of an alt

not really, I've played with a lot of people

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

Fences are bad. Stop alt hunting. I still am pissed my alt got outed and haven't been able to play with it since. Stop. I think medium's play is weird but alt hunting is offensive. Medium is medium. I don't give a shit who they "were" it is who they are in this game that matters.

Knowing whether I've played with medium before would help a lot with my reads

will get to this later today, been busy

AUTO GENERATED VOTECOUNT 1.03

MathBlade (5):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji, Varsoon

randomidget (5):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, SirCakez, MathBlade, Pumbaa

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Pumbaa (1):

Akame and Kurome

Not Voting (1):

long_island_medium

13 alive, 7 to lynch, (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51)

Do something

Jfc Varsoon vs Math was terrible to read. Given Varsoon has been a townread all game I'm pretty sure Math is scum here (yes I was wrong earlier about not seeing anything wrong with his posts, his stuff during his 1v1 was garbage), and would lynch there. Random still viable too though.

Alt hunting is disgusting to me. If someone wants to maintain the effort of 3000 alts then they can. However I will not consider them experienced in any way because then they can't say what they have done. This game is this game. If you can't formulate reads on this game without knowing who the person is in the background there be problems.

I can formulate reads, it's just much easier to do it with some meta!

[SirCakez]

lmfao

[SirCakez]

I can wait on acting

[SirCakez]

why does mathblade have to agree?

[SirCakez]

hammer please

[SirCakez]

good riddance

[SirCakez]

hey there

[SirCakez]

I'm a vig

[SirCakez]

capture: pieguyn

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mathblade

[SirCakez]

prodge

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez

[SirCakez]

im bad

[SirCakez]

I have no clue
Even if I hadn't been guiltied I think I would have been lynched anyway because I wasn't townie at all

[SirCakez]

that game is sealed away
it is for the better it wasn't recreated