Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[Titus]

Can someone summarize who won the first two hands?

Will read up in a moment?

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Whoever I am voting

[Titus]

The mod asked and I was fine staying if lane is leaving.
I'm not going to get into the argument with lane's personal attack.

@Fire do you object giving Infinity the BP? If so why?

Did I understand the point you were trying to make farside?

And Lane looks like they are just passing money to fire.

If anyone has a good hand please get in there. If I had cards I would in that hand myself.

You asked the questions just fine.

Can someone summarize who won the first two hands?

Will read up in a moment?

Day 1 mm won the first hand.
Day 2 shadow won.

Why did you only want to know who won?

The winners tell me who scum cannot kill when I eyeball the votes.

[Titus]

Why does it look like we had two hands d1? Why did so many wagons fail?

[Titus]

Why did we have no one as BP? Are we concerned about vigs?

[Titus]

Why is Fire saving the shot? If Math is bad for the Gamestate, why not just have Fire shoot Zmath and treat today like a double lynch?

[Titus]

All the better to dictate his shot now then. If he's scum, it forces the scum to kill math and claim the scumkill vanished, which should then be exposed on massclaim. Otherwise, he has to claim it failed and forces scum to protect math or forces fire scum to argue they did.

Vigs should almost always done as dual lynch imo.

[Titus]

All the better to dictate his shot now then. If he's scum, it forces the scum to kill math and claim the scumkill vanished, which should then be exposed on massclaim. Otherwise, he has to claim it failed and forces scum to protect math or forces fire scum to argue they did.

Vigs should almost always done as dual lynch imo.

I am not a day vig.
And I am not shooting math, we are lynching math.
And we already did mass claim.

Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.

[Titus]

Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.

Why does it matter to you either than? I can flip it on you too.

By using your shot as a dual lynch, town gets a second lynch. That matters plenty.

So why is Math being lynched worth sacrificing an extra lynch over?

[Titus]

Why does it matter to you how math dies? Dead is dead.

Why does it matter to you either than? I can flip it on you too.

By using your shot as a dual lynch, town gets a second lynch. That matters plenty.

So why is Math being lynched worth sacrificing an extra lynch over?

Thats not how vigilantes work.

They can if we as a town agree they do.

[Titus]

They can if we as a town agree they do.

I am not cooperating with the town. You can lynch me, but I am not following your rules.

I am not giving in to blackmail. I am not voting Math when the vig can shoot them. There's zero reason to.

Your attitude of my lynch or I quit is toxic as hell.

[Titus]

I haven't determined what I want. You're telling me math is dead. You can use the vig to do it. No one is stopping you. It's better to use a vig to shoot people scumread. If I was strong arming you, I would tell you to make a case on math. If I disagreed, I would tell you to use the vig on a second lynch choice. That's how I feel it is.
you have control over your vig. You don't get my vote.

[Titus]

@infinity, fire is probably just stubborn town. If he wants math dead, that's his right as the vig. I won't be voting there.

[Titus]

VOTE: SS

[Titus]

VOTE: something Smart

[Titus]

Infinity bear with me phone posting

An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?

This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.

Why would you out this?

[Titus]

Mod: Can we have notice before autofold? Like a timer? I didn't know which way I wanted to go.

I check on this hand.

Math, any reason you didn't fold?

[Titus]

Can I queue an action? If so, I call Fire effective 1 minute before folding would otherwise be required.

Math, I am not voting Fire. Letscum sort out the PRs. Infinity being bp is good.

Is Smart town? What are your reads?

[Titus]

Call Infinity's bet 5 minutes before otherwise required to fold.

Why is smart town Math?

[Titus]

@FA, I am allowed to do that. The mod said so. Second, the bet would only be effective up to and including the money I have. The remainder would be split amongst the players with more money to risk.

I am merely prolonging the hand, so another cannot be dealt. If Infinity and I become the only players, I would change my call to a gold.

[Titus]

Call Fire's bet five minutes before being required to fold

[Titus]

I literally just addressed that. If you have an issue, Alch can explain the mechanic to you. It's just like real poker.

[Titus]

Still think Fire should vig math. I want to confirm Fire as vig.

[Titus]

Could this hand wreck infinity's BP if they fail to show and fold?

[Titus]

Fold

@Math, the queued action gave infinity time to handle irl I am presuming. Why were you upset?

[Titus]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

[Titus]

I think Titus, Shadow_step and Mathblade are town.

Fire, can you promise me that you'll shoot in <farside, Infinity> tonight?

Honestly I'd prefer you shoot Infinity. Since I'm flipping town his cop result won't be valid anyway because it will be LYLO.

Also I recommend that Mathblade tracks Shadow to make sure he can't interfere with Fire's shot, if it in fact exists.

Shooting infinity fails unless scum also shoot him.

Infinity should get the cop check?

[Titus]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

@Mathblade

[Titus]

I'm also going to point out fire had pressure day 1.
Infinity is alive and claimed cop so why is that not just as suspect for a cop to be alive this game?

This has been a point of mine all day.
Infinity was claimed cop.
Fire claimed vig.
MM outed as tracker.

Why was a VT shot?

Check the VTs reads.

[Titus]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

[Titus]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town
For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

I do not see a flaw.

Bahhh! My queen.

[Titus]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

@Mathblade

1) I am town
2) this is not setup spec.
3) this is a problem if infinity is scum.
4) this is a problem of when I flip town whether fire is telling the truth or not.
5) this is not setup spec this is action dictating and doesn't tell us what you think.
6) this game is not as good as won because neither is confirmed and when I die my town flip will call those two into question.
7) what are your reads?

1) The bullets can prove that
2) Yes, my point is the flips do the speccing for us.
3) Trapping scum to an argument is never a bad thing as this isn't likely lylo.
4) If there's only one kill, we can discuss it then.
5) I think the actions as Farside propose generate a good basis for gaining reads.
6) I disagree.
7) My reads are Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Farside

[Titus]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

Let the bullets resolve it is town.
Refuse to let the bullets resolve it is scum.
I am tunnelling refuse to let the bullets resolve it. (A)

[Titus]

I bought the day Neighborize.
I'm going to chat with Titus for a bit to see where her head is at before I comment here.
I'm pretty certain I have the correct scum read in this game. I just need to get one thing settled before I comment.

Great. Sync me up.

I've been behind.

[Titus]

Confirming neighborhood with Farside.

[Titus]

So scum deliberately shot the person you were going to kill Fire?

Why?

[Titus]

I like how Titus focuses on that, but not the fact I lied....something doesn't sit right with me on that.

You did lie. I'm more concerned with the why. We can't just go lynch all liars because lylo.

[Titus]

Ask me in a few hours. I have a work thing to handle.

[Titus]

So Infinity, why are you reading me as town?

[I'm out for a few hours as of this post. Won't be back until tonight.]

[Titus]

Ok.

*sits down* Time to finally start earning my keep here. I was kinda hoping scum would vote me because useless.

[Titus]

I can infer that Shadow and Infinity are on opposite sides due to the disparities in claimed night actions. If Infinity and Shadow were both scum, I would expect them to make the smarter play and Infinity just fakes a guilty on me/Farside/Fire. Fire with the one night kill would be a cakewalk mislynch. So I'm ruling out Shadow/Infinity scum which makes them opposites.

Then, Farside and Fire cannot be on the same side from my perspective. (Farside and Fire can only both be town in a Shadow/Infinity universe).

That makes the universes

Shadow/Farside
Infinity/Farside
Shadow/Fire
Infinity/Fire

[Titus]

Call me paranoid but I've seen this kind of distancing done before, the stuff that happened between lane and farside should eliminate a farside/Titus scum team but ugh.

Them having a neighbourhood in lylo also is ringing all kinds of alarm bells.

Do you have a case for Farside scum? Do you have Fire as hard town?

[Titus]

@Shadow, why shouldn't we suspect you because of how the wagons turned out?

[Titus]

Totally didn't read, reached the same place as fire...

Checking Farside with Shadow or Infinity...

[Titus]

The only way scum would have an RB is if town has a powerrole worth blocking no?

[Titus]

Trololol you only live once and I think I was supposed to be the townie that fucks up.

VOTE: Farside

Magna's ISO looks like scummy shit.

[Titus]

Well, this makes me feel like I made the right decision...

No quick votes on Farside.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I happen to think you're town out of Farside/you so unvote it is.

[Titus]

There's two ways to go about that.

1) Resolve Farside versus me.

2) Try to get the opposition teams.

Yet, you are refusing to let 2 play out, so hit me with your best shot.

[Titus]

I am thinking that Farside is scum.

If Farside is scum, you are town because Shadow and Infinity do not share an alignment.

[Titus]

And why do you not want to sort out the Shadow/Infinity problem we will face tomorrow if you are right?

Praying I looked dumb enough so scum would shoot wrong.

Basically, I'm of the find scum, lynch it variety and let the rest sort itself.

[Titus]

I kinda figured I would be the vote target.

My biggest concern about infinity scum is why not just fake a result given dead Math?

[Titus]

VOTE: Farside

Because lol

[Titus]

Doing trololol is a faster way of proving farside scum than cases and wall posts.

[Titus]

Shadow Infinity?

[Titus]

I had that eliminated as a team

Sorry guys.