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Hi everyone I know and love but can't be bothered to list out. :3
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~Shows up~In post 179, kraska77 wrote:and tth needs to show up
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I don't really have anything besides gut.In post 192, beeboy wrote:Can you guys stop doing things without saying why because I like to understand what is going on ;w;
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Why are double standards scummy?In post 197, Luna Fox wrote:Also can people town it up more, im having trouble getting townreads this game >.<-
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Okie doke. :3In post 199, beeboy wrote:
Sure it would make the thread more lively! ^_^In post 196, TellTaleHeart wrote: I could make up something if you want.
Backing out of the townread on kraska for the reason she did was counter-intuitive to me and rubbed me the wrong way.-
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What's this then?In post 205, Luna Fox wrote:
Uhh double standards? i havent called anyone double standards much less scummy.In post 204, TellTaleHeart wrote:
Why are double standards scummy?In post 197, Luna Fox wrote:Also can people town it up more, im having trouble getting townreads this game >.<
Attach whatever convenient name you want to it. I went with "double standard."In post 136, Luna Fox wrote:I'm just interested in why you think mollie's scum but you pay no attention to LLD who also wants you dead.-
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I'm already bored with this conversation.-
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The flailing has a vague town feel to it.In post 227, pieguyn wrote:TTH, what is your opinion of kraska?-
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No, I said to post less.In post 238, pirate mollie wrote:tth did you just make a "stop posting" post
There is such a thing as having too much volume and kras is coming close to that point. The game needs to breathe.-
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 239, pieguyn wrote:p-edit: I don't agree, though I probably won't argue it. what do you think of what I pointed out re: her reaction to LLD?
Sorry to be so flippant, but I don't think it's the smoking gun you're making it out to be.
On a basic level, I'm not on the same page that kras treating you and LLD differently is scummy.-
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To be clear, I'm not trying to be a bitch and I'm not telling you to stop posting. I hope that's not what you took away.In post 244, kraska77 wrote:I'm usually a low volume poster but was extremely bored yesterday
/Stepping back until something noteworthy happens
Alright-y...
You filled in a really specific thought process that didn't occur to me.-
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That was like my role in DoA!In post 254, beeboy wrote:Considering my role is combination of confirmable and anti town things I am going to role claim for the funzies.
At the start of each day phase the mod rolls a die and based on the result I get one of the following abilities.
1. Loved
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That also makes me wonder about the ascetic that already claimed.-
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Do you say "tbh" a lot, Luna?-
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Is there a particular reason you just softclaimed?-
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You only used it twice in your two-page ISO in Summer Waltz. You've already used it twice just on this page here.In post 270, Luna Fox wrote:I was actually curious and performed a search of me with tbh but got nothing XD guess search terms were to small
I'm pretty thoroughly creeped out-
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No, I doubt either would be lying about the ascetic modifier regardless of alignment. It's premature speculation but my thought there was more along the lines of possible role symmetry.In post 274, Foxbird wrote:Does that mean you think one of them is lying/obscuring something?
It's something more to keep in mind in a massclaim situation. (i.e. Is there an obvious reason why farside would double up on town ascetics or does it make more sense for one of them to be scum?)-
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~Post count inflation is fun.~
In post 254, beeboy wrote:Considering my role is combination of confirmable and anti town things I am going to role claim for the funzies.
At the start of each day phase the mod rolls a die and based on the result I get one of the following abilities.
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OK you're right, that was bitchy. But please read before posting.
I'll go away now.
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Role PM from an old game (that farside was in).The Critic wrote:-
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I don't usually "hunt for" anything in particular so I don't have a good answer for this question.In post 295, pieguyn wrote:
is this a kind of thing you usually hunt for, btw?In post 273, TellTaleHeart wrote:
You only used it twice in your two-page ISO in Summer Waltz. You've already used it twice just on this page here.In post 270, Luna Fox wrote:I was actually curious and performed a search of me with tbh but got nothing XD guess search terms were to small
I'm pretty thoroughly creeped out-
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In post 297, Skybird wrote:I have Pieguyn and Beeboy as strong town.
Not liking Kraska right now. The game is not that long and she's asking about things that should be easy to find out like who else claimed ascetic. Also some AtE in post 290.
Three popular reads and a boring, generic question.In post 298, Skybird wrote:Mollie, what's your take on the game so far?
Is this all ofyourtake on the game so far?-
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Fuller, less snippy answer now that I've had a bit to think about it:In post 313, TellTaleHeart wrote:
I don't usually "hunt for" anything in particular so I don't have a good answer for this question.In post 295, pieguyn wrote:is this a kind of thing you usually hunt for, btw?
I have a handful of "tells" that I lifted from Antihero and RadiantCowbells (I play with them frequently and consider them good scumhunters) but I'm not generally in the habit of looking outforanything specific.
If you're asking if I think word choice and rhetoric are important, yes I do. The "tbh" (along with going out of her way to mention her role is "confirmable") just gives Luna's softclaim this... cloying feel. Honesty should be something that goes without saying. Honest people don't walk around repeating "look at me, I'm beinghonest," they justare.
I don't know if it's entirely rational, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and hits all the sleazy notes for me.-
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That barb was completely necessary. Now I see that I'm just being unreasonable, thanks for putting me in my place.-
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I hope my post about the ascetics didn't prompt this.In post 322, farside22 wrote:And a little words of advice from the mod.
One I use the following to determine actions during the night NAR No that doesn't mean those abilities are in the game, just how I resolve actions.
Two when I create a game I first create abilities, random org most abilities and then use what you lovely people sent me to match said abilities.
Trying to out guess the mod is a bad, bad idea.
Thank you for your time.
"Outguessing the mod" and "assuming a sensible, balanced setup" are two different things and Iamassuming a functional setup.-
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That was actually LLD that said that.In post 367, Skybird wrote:My take on you is that you seem to feel you are above all of us. You are the one that said you weren't interested in ordinary people iirc. So if you did say you aren't interested in ordinary people, could you explain why?
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You think Yume is completely making the ascetic up...? o.OIn post 367, Skybird wrote:As you've asked me my take of the game so far, I'd say it's pretty eh. You've got people claiming which always seems weird to me. For example, people are townreading Yume for claiming ascetic. I think if I were scum I'd claim ascetic since it is considered "correct" play and would be a great way to keep people from targeting me for the first few days. Yume also got pretty defensive when people questioned her on it.
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Why?In post 392, pieguyn wrote:I'm not really in sorting mode when it comes to this, I'm in "dismantle the fuck out of this wagon everything else be damned" mode.-
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Skybird's Yume read intrigues me.
I'd really like to hear more.-
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Please stay. I think a cool off period would be better and serve the same function.-
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Well I didn't help with my troll vote. X_X
This game brings out the sadist in me.-
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So terribad that you would create that much more work for farside?-
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If Skybird is finished telling me about how standoffish and awful I am, I'm still interested in that Yume read.-
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Please outline the Foxbird town read.-
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What about it felt genuine?In post 485, kraska77 wrote:this ^ and the next post where she says her role is confirmable
catchup post felt genuine unlike ari's
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What does a "confirmable" role mean to you?-
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You're a very odd mixture of savviness and gullibility, kraska.-
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It's not really meant to be flattering. I'm describing the kind of player that I'd like to roll scum against.-
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In post 487, kraska77 wrote:ack this is difficult to explain
she claimed confirmable role right after, it felt like the motivation behind doing that was to obfuscate nk pool
WhoIn post 264, Luna Fox wrote:
It has 2 parts, the first part is anti town to claim, the other is odd night messenger.In post 263, pirate mollie wrote:
tell us moreIn post 262, Luna Fox wrote:My role is pretty weird tbh ^_^;; but is confirmable anyway.wouldn'tstick her neck out to save a claim like this from the NK?
I'm sure the motive for softclaiming here is as pure as the driven snow.-
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Alright-y then.
I'm taking a break from this game.-
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Do you have reads on Luna or Foxbird yet?In post 499, Skybird wrote:I'm leery of claims of ascetic because people are going to naturally leave Yume alone for the first couple of nights. If I were scum, I would make a claim like that. This is a role-madness game so I do think Yume is telling the truth. I just don't think we should write her off as town for it until we see more of how the game unfolds.-
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If you're paranoid of Yume's ascetic claim, what did you think of Luna and Foxbird's "confirmable" softs?In post 509, Skybird wrote:
Foxbird has been pretty quiet so far. I don't know if she's been busy or lurking.In post 504, TellTaleHeart wrote:
Do you have reads on Luna or Foxbird yet?In post 499, Skybird wrote:I'm leery of claims of ascetic because people are going to naturally leave Yume alone for the first couple of nights. If I were scum, I would make a claim like that. This is a role-madness game so I do think Yume is telling the truth. I just don't think we should write her off as town for it until we see more of how the game unfolds.
Luna starts off pretty towny. She's asking questions and giving reads. My read on her gets muddled during the posts in the 400's though. She and Pie have a disagreement on a read and Luna wants Pie to admit she could be wrong. (post 400) This post bothers me but I'm having trouble explaining just why it does. A lot of the players in the game have expressed scum/town reads in absolute terms. Why does Luna need Pie to admit she could be wrong when she doesn't ask any of the other players if they could be wrong and want them to admit it? Then the thread got contentious and I don't know what to think of that all just yet. Overall I have no interest in lynching Luna today based on the way she started.
I get that there's ambiguity to the ascetic claim, but as an initial impression I still feel like town are probably more motivated to be up front with it whereas a scum ascetic would be more inclined to just let actions fail on them. Luna and Foxbird saying their role is "confirmable" on the heels of the beeboy "confirmable" fullclaim feels a lot more like someone's trying to sneak something over for town cred, so I'm wondering why that's not on your radar at all.-
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"Actually"? I "actually" may or may not be satisfied pending further Skybird responses.
And I'm "actually" pretty annoyed at the nonspecific shade being thrown at me.-
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Hi UTL! ^_^
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I can only assume the continued horsiness is because of something I'm doing.In post 530, Luna Fox wrote:UTL replaced Nahdia, i dont see any reason not to townread what happened earlier. How come TTH never asked me about MY townread on pie? (inb4 double standards again).
What is it, because I'll stop whatever it is.-
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Okie dokie, you weren't attacking for double standards then.In post 537, Luna Fox wrote:
I told you i wasnt attacking for double standards nor calling it scummy and you just said the conversation was boring you.In post 536, TellTaleHeart wrote:I can only assume the continued horsiness is because of something I'm doing.
What is it, because I'll stop whatever it is.-
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:\In post 540, UpTooLate wrote:TTH! Happy ScumDay!! <3 <3 I like her push on Kraska. Though I'm not sure if I agree, I do think it comes off as she genuinely believes it. It doesn't feel like scum pushing a ML.
I'm ambivalent about it.
I have "townreads" on beeboy, your slot, and kraska's slot. I put townreads in quotes because they're all based on gutreads and I hate relying on that.
If I had to put words to them, I feel like kraska really believes her reads and she didn't buckle even when I fussed at her about the Foxbird one. Nahdia's rage/meltdown felt genuine-
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o/In post 550, Luna Fox wrote:yeah why were you even townreading Art before bee?
~raises hand~
I was mildly townreading Ari for taking the first crack at reading me of everyone. It felt organic given the context of him coming off a fresh scum game with me (UTL can tell you about that).
It since hasn't solidified because of his absence and he did mention in the PT that lurking as scum is an issue for him. :\-
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You can loudly sigh and mock me when you give a good reason for town reading Skybird's posts.-
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I can read between the line.In post 562, Skybird wrote:I've played with Yume before and that's part of my skepticism but I can't say anything else on that right now.-
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Whenver I hear "to be honest" or some mutation of it in a situation where it's not called for (i.e. you're not about to break some harsh truth to someone), I reflexively think that whatever comes next is probably bullshit. I already sort of talked about this.In post 563, pieguyn wrote:most of my issues with you are somewhat minor, but they're still noticeable. first off, I thought you poking Luna over her use of "tbh" earlier was unusual; it's a kind of angle that I expect scum to be significantly more likely to push than town, since it usually doesn't mean anything, but it's generally a good-sounding angle that people can look at and think "oh, that's a good catch!". you did it again to me in this post; I'm curious to know what your point here actually (lelel) was.
That's not really the case?In post 563, pieguyn wrote:I thought your questioning of Skybird earlier was eh and after thinking about it some more it read like scum attempting to soft push a wagon from the sidelines without firmly committing to it. actually, now that I look at it from the top, you've hardly been definitively stating reads in general; outside of Foxbird, it's all been very soft. I don't remember you being this soft with your pushes in FG's game, or any of the other games where I've seen you as town.
I gather that Skybird might be a little inattentive. I'm questioning precisely to get a better sense of where her head's at.
Congrats on seeing that my reads aren't very developed but a good chunk of the game is completely MIA and I think generally people aren't doing really alignment indicative things.
You're not me.In post 563, pieguyn wrote:while it isn't entirely unreasonable, the angle you were pushing in 511 about "these people aren't town for claiming confirmable roles" makes me wary since it's the kind of approach I would take, and have taken before, as scum if I was worried about people writing them off for it and wanted to preempt this from happening.
Next.
Right, "weirded out" isIn post 563, pieguyn wrote:I don't really like that your reaction to me pointing this out was to start claiming I was "throwing shade" and to ask UTL why she was reading me as town, either. it wasn't like UTL was the first who town read me; if you were curious about town reads on me, why wait until now to probe around about it?notthrowing shade at all. You were just complimenting my quirky personality and I must've taken it the wrong way.
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I could have.In post 570, pieguyn wrote:I don't take issue with the fact that you take issue with me being suspicious at you; I take issue with the way you went about it. you could have easily done something like asking me to explain in more depth why I was weirded out on you, or telling me I was being dumb, or even just ignoring it and seeing how it would play out, or anything along those lines.
And I didn't.
The first assumes I had the patience and inclination to ask, and I didn't.
Saying you were being dumb is in itself dumb.
Just ignoring it is going to land me in the same juicy, mislynchable spot that Isomehowended up in for Summer Waltz.
So yes, you got me on being a little unpleasant. Call it "discredit" if you must.-
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You'll be disappointed because my reads on that end are even more weak than my town reads.In post 570, pieguyn wrote:can you walk me through your Foxbird read in more depth?
My initial impression off of the round of softclaims following beeboy's claim was that scum were trying to make a cheap grab at towncred. I wasn't townreading any of Foxbird's content so I thought that was as good a place as any for my vote.
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Other than point out that UTL was the only one who townread you after you made Post 517.In post 575, pieguyn wrote:
@TTH: do you have any response to this?In post 570, pieguyn wrote:the fact that you didn't try to sort through any of the town reads on me until after I had stated suspicion on you is the same type of thing; you easily could have asked e.g. Luna or beegirl why they were reading my kraska push as town if you didn't agree with it.
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