Mini 1821 Badass Women U-Pick Mafia - game over

[Luna Fox]

Hello All!

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah also since idk if the mod knows

I'm V/LA until the end of Saturday

[Luna Fox]

I think yume and karaska are probs town, Yume for the soft and Kraska because #51

[Luna Fox]

Re: pie

And like
That stuff can be misleading
Dunno about others but my character/flavour doesn't say much about my role

It was this, it was kinda weak tho.

i definitely totally 100% absolutely surely have a perfect meta on beeboy and im positive this is scum beeboy every1 sheepuu mee i cant be wrong bc meta.

VOTE: beeboy

I agree with this read.

Uh what.

Okay then >.>

here's a question: if you thought me/LLD's exchange on page 1 was based around our flavor (it was), why do you even think it's alignment relevant?

Uh she kinda didnt? she only said it was role irrelevant.

Mine was flavor based too. >.>

Oh i thought you were softing some sorta bomb or PGO. Tho why did i think that when that combined with ascetic makes it... overpowered ^^;;

Eh you're kinda exaggerating with the "raising hell" part
She got a little defensive
I don't see why you were quick to label her as town for a little defensiveness
her reaction can be easily faked

And now you're breaking my heart.

Oh my last post was directed at pie
Just pointing out that there are better reasons to townread you if she wants to but claiming your reaction to mala is towny is a meeeeh reason

Uh what the hell

VOTE: kraska

Anime alliance must stick together.

Hey! im an anime character too ^_^

Ok so from that readthrough all i got is that im not townreading kraska anymore and Yume's a stronger townread.

[Luna Fox]

And im around now.

[Luna Fox]

kraska, you're only complaining about the townreads on Yume yet i dont see you doing anything to sort her yourself and in posts like 120 you talk to her as if she was a townread. Why's that.

[Luna Fox]

Uh where did you get the townread? im not seeing it anywhere, just calling her flavor thing possibly faked.... and that's it.

P-Edit: oh.

[Luna Fox]

Mollies prob scum, post more content please
Why did you want to vote me

She wasnt the only one wanting you dead, why singling mollie out?

[Luna Fox]

Actually nvm, i can see why, i misread your post

[Luna Fox]

I'm just interested in why you think mollie's scum but you pay no attention to LLD who also wants you dead.

[Luna Fox]

I'm actually leaning town on kraska again tbh.

[Luna Fox]

Ari's (4) Ari's, kraska, beegirl

umm

@Mod: ????

[Luna Fox]

can i call you beeboy-chan? ^_^

[Luna Fox]

we cld always vote luna

y?

[Luna Fox]

Luna/beegirl, why are you town reading her?

Due to pressuring mollie for content, i still dont understand why LLD's fine tho, which is why it's a town lean for me, idk why beegirl has a full on townread there.

[Luna Fox]

I don't town read her for asking mollie for content, given it was mostly prompted by mollie pushing her.

I guess you do have a point =/

[Luna Fox]

pie's probs town tho!

[Luna Fox]

I think Nahdia's town.

[Luna Fox]

That is a vote on me alright.

[Luna Fox]

pie, im eagerly awaiting your explanation

[Luna Fox]

Also can people town it up more, im having trouble getting townreads this game >.<

[Luna Fox]

I guess you can go into the lean town pile.
Tho mostly coz i forgot to mention that before.

[Luna Fox]

I have done nothing this game tho o.O

Your read trajectory on kraska felt natural, after pie pointed out the stuff about kraska.

[Luna Fox]

Also can people town it up more, im having trouble getting townreads this game >.<

Why are double standards scummy?

Uhh double standards? i havent called anyone double standards much less scummy.

[Luna Fox]

Attach whatever convenient name you want to it. I went with "double standard."

Because i wanted an explanation as to why she was ignoring LLD.
Also i never called she doing that scummy. I dont find scummyness i find towniness.

[Luna Fox]

Eh you're kinda exaggerating with the "raising hell" part
She got a little defensive
I don't see why you were quick to label her as town for a little defensiveness
her reaction can be easily faked

Also this is what caused me to back out my townread hence the "You're breaking my heart" i thought she was discrediting townreads on Yume.

[Luna Fox]

Well you started the conversation ^_^

[Luna Fox]

You asked me a question, i answered in full, if you dont have any more questions, then i guess the conversation ends here.

[Luna Fox]

K, TTH can be town too probably.

I agree with that actually.

[Luna Fox]

I still dont have a townread on Art, why dont you talk to me about that.

[Luna Fox]

well gee thanks, maybe you should make something up too >.<

[Luna Fox]

At the start of each day phase the mod rolls a die and based on the result I get one of the following abilities.
1. Loved
2. Hated
3. Ascetic
4. Double voter

Ok moving beeboy to strong town.
Doubt both Loved and Hated would be even considered if you were scum unless RNG was skewed for balance purposes unless of course this doesnt work in XyLo.

[Luna Fox]

My role is pretty weird tbh ^_^;; but is confirmable anyway.

[Luna Fox]

My role is pretty weird tbh ^_^;; but is confirmable anyway.

tell us more

It has 2 parts, the first part is anti town to claim, the other is odd night messenger.

[Luna Fox]

Uhh that's not a bad idea tbh.

[Luna Fox]

Do you say "tbh" a lot, Luna?

I tend to i guess, i havent been really paying attention to it.
I do know i tend to use "tho" a lot as well.

[Luna Fox]

I was actually curious and performed a search of me with tbh but got nothing XD guess search terms were to small

[Luna Fox]

Is there a particular reason you just softclaimed?

Not really. I felt like it.

[Luna Fox]

I just write the same way i speak, and i usually also write without thinking.

P-Edit: Hi foxbird!

[Luna Fox]

i usually also write without thinking.

Well i guess it's more of a im always speaking my mind and dont tend to think twice about what im writing.

[Luna Fox]

If you're asking if I think word choice and rhetoric are important, yes I do. The "tbh" (along with going out of her way to mention her role is "confirmable") just gives Luna's softclaim this... cloying feel. Honesty should be something that goes without saying. Honest people don't walk around repeating "look at me, I'm being honest," they just are.

I wish i could give you an answer about why this happens, but i dont really know coz everything i do comes out of feeling and subconsciously, so I literally don't know how to respond to this, other than well... you're wrong, and only time will really tell in the end.

[Luna Fox]

Loved means takes 1 extra vote to lynch
Hated means takes 1 less vote to lynch

With that in mind do you seriously think he's scum?

[Luna Fox]

I think something about the way he's playing the game so far feels off
He's giving freebie townreads easily and retracting them easily
From the two other games I played with him, his townreads felt more solid there

Uhh, and how's that different from what i do with my townhunting? ^_^;;

PSA: watch as TTH says "double standards" again and i continue to not care.

[Luna Fox]

Unless you're implying that the difference is your meta experience.

[Luna Fox]

Uhh, and how's that different from what i do with my townhunting? ^_^;;

It's not in this game
But in other games your town hunting styles were different

So you think beeboy's copying my townhunting style to appear town instead of just copying his?

[Luna Fox]

It's not a bad train of thought, but...
I'm just wondering why you think this way, unless he copying my townhunting style was a byproduct of him wanting to appear town, without himself realizing...

Idk, i always felt his style was very similar to mine X_X how do you even notice these things.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway based on your play in summer waltz and in other games, you both do townhunting but your style is more unfiltered stream of consciousness and your reads are a bit volatile. You're usually spot on but it gets you in trouble with people who demand less intuitive more concrete reads

That's a very accurate description of my townhunting style.
A gotta admit im both amazed and scared of ever rolling scum against you.

[Luna Fox]

If you've gone through the trouble of reading summer waltz to figure me out, that gives me a very good feeling that you're town tho.

[Luna Fox]

If you've gone through the trouble of reading summer waltz to figure me out, that gives me a very good feeling that you're town tho.

Luna, please don't do this. it absolutely is not difficult to use general knowledge of how people play as scum, if you've seen games they were in. I have literally *done this* before as scum. I have seen people like Mala do this as scum (and no surprise she got town read for it and I had to explain why it wasn't a town tell).

it isn't a town tell and you shouldn't get caught up in it.

She did get an accurate description of my playstyle out of it tho. Doesn't look faked tbh.

[Luna Fox]

You know what, since apparently all my reads are wrong and all your reads are right you might as well tell me what reads i should have and i shouldn't even bother playing the game! It is hard to explain for me why i get this feeling she's being genuine, and i know, that can easily be faked yada yada yada, but why cant you be the one that's wrong?

P-Edit: Aaand now im even less inclined to vote there with all these votes.

[Luna Fox]

Ok nvm it was just 2, but still.

[Luna Fox]

Kraska (5) lady, pie, yume, mollie, skybird
Skybird (5) fox, nahdia, BeeGirl, kraska

See here...
The wagon on Kraska raised when trying to lynch Skybird.

[Luna Fox]

You're not factoring complexity of other people's personalities into your analyses, you're just using yourself as a benchmark to compare me against and that's a fucking linear way of thinking. And you're getting more and more ridiculously detailed about outlining thought processes i never even had. The problem with this is i can't even argue with it or defend myself against because your premises are false

What about this pie?
Sound similar?

[Luna Fox]

I actually meant "sound familiar" dunno why i said similar there XD

[Luna Fox]

I think Kraska's possibly a CW to scum tbh.

[Luna Fox]

You are the one that said you weren't interested in ordinary people iirc

Uhh that was LLD and that was a flavor thing.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Skybird

[Luna Fox]

Silly Luna you where already doing that.

Nah this is my first vote in the game.

[Luna Fox]

Also that is L-1

[Luna Fox]

I want to know why Luna thinks Skybird is scum all I know is why she is town reading Kraska.

Ok let me put it for you in simple terms
Im townreading Kraska
Kraska's wagon increases when the wagon on Skybird is stagnating.
My conclusion: Kraska is a CW to scum.

[Luna Fox]

So you have reason to believe Mollie is scum?
You are town reading the rest of the wagon outside LLD who didn't really do much countering.

Hmm, actually i hadn't thought of that ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Btw i take a lot of issue with this statement:

also, if Skybird flips town and kraska is scum, I would be very concerned with Luna.

Because scum already know who's town and who's scum, yet before this i had clearly stated that i thought pie could be wrong town:

but why cant you be the one that's wrong?

But pie fails to see this possibility
It's giving me a chilly feeling.

[Luna Fox]

I have no intention of dropping a read because "it could be wrong" and no other reason, and I don't have any idea why you think I would.

I know, but my townread on Kraska is mostly feeling and i have a hard time explaining that, it overall feels genuine.
You being concerned with me if im wrong is what i dont like.

[Luna Fox]

Like remember in SW when Cakez flipped town and i basically dropped you from super town to null (and you even thought i flipped my read), this is what you're implying to be wanting to do to me right now, and i take concern with it because it's something you've experienced yourself and fail to see the possibility it could be happening with me.

[Luna Fox]

So you have reason to believe Mollie is scum?
You are town reading the rest of the wagon outside LLD who didn't really do much countering.

Hmm, actually i hadn't thought of that ^_^;;

When is this going to develop o3o

Sometime, when im feeling less annoyed.

[Luna Fox]

Like i feel that by this point im usually universally townread, yet no one does, and i have pie taking backstabs at me, mollie taking frontstabs at me and tth straight out slicing me.
It's clouding my mind and i think i probably need to take a step back from this game.

[Luna Fox]

I don't townread you.

I never implied you did...

[Luna Fox]

Sigh...
Call me back in a few days...

[Luna Fox]

Sigh...
Call me back in a few days...

Congratulations, you've begun the next phase of your mafia lifecycle all naturally charismatic players get; the "fear" phase where people are hesitant to townread you ever because you seem to always towntell regardless.

I hate this post.
Spreading said fear isnt gonna help, it only enables scum to mislynch, if i always towntell, maybe it's because i havent rolled scum? dont you think?
I'm never, never, NEVER, gonna allow scum to ever achieve a mislynch on me.

Unvote
Vote: Nahdia

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah and what's this?:

because you seem to always towntell regardless.

For someone who hasnt seen my scumgame you're saying that i always towntell regardless.

[Luna Fox]

It didnt look like a joke to me.
It looked like you were posturing yourself to discredit any sort of townreads i ever get because "I always towntell regardless", when you have no knowledge of how i play as scum, because if you did, you wouldnt be saying that.

[Luna Fox]

Well im not in a goddamn mood for your "jokes" either.
That wasn't a joke that's an outright discredit

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

Ugh sorry, i didnt think you were really feeling that way, i pushed it a bit too far because i've been feeling really at edge this game, i have a feeling that scum will be able to achieve a mislynch on me because im not obvtown enough and your post didnt help matters any.

[Luna Fox]

Please stay, i can replace out instead if you want, after all im the problem.

[Luna Fox]

And once again we see why im not allowed to scumhunt u.u
Ugh i told you guys to stop me next time it happened T.T

[Luna Fox]

Well i'm moving Nahdia to strong townread.
In no way was that fakeable.

I... really should probably replace out too... i feel terribad about it

[Luna Fox]

So terribad that you would create that much more work for farside?

Well, yes, that terribad.
But thinking about it probably not a good idea.

[Luna Fox]

And there you have it folks, you have seen for the first time the angry side of Luna, it rarely happens but... im a human being i cant really stay happy forever >.<

[Luna Fox]

i havent revoted her yet since i unvoted nahdia but didnt move my vote back, but just in case im not revoting yet anyway to give skybird time to respond to TTH.

[Luna Fox]

it would be pretty terrible of me to come back into the game like nothing happened after exploding like that. i'm really sorry. my life has taken a turn for the stressful lately and clearly i can't handle mafia right now. good luck guys.

hug

Hope you can forgive me.

Get better

[Luna Fox]

Happy scumday TTH

UTL replaced Nahdia, i dont see any reason not to townread what happened earlier. How come TTH never asked me about MY townread on pie? (inb4 double standards again).

[Luna Fox]

Somebody talk to me!

Hi!
I see we have the same thoughts re: kraska. What's your read on skybird i dont think i saw it anywhere.

[Luna Fox]

Luna I have been waiting for your Skybird/Mollie read btw ^_^

I literally have no idea right now, the whole situation with kraska makes me pretty confident she's town. Having a double voter really doesnt help me @_@ who was it again that voted Kraska in sequence? i remember mollie was one but forgot the other one, lemme double check.

[Luna Fox]

Kraska (5) lady, pie, yume, mollie, skybird

Hmmm
Nah i dont think both mollie and skybird are scum together.

[Luna Fox]

I can only assume the continued horsiness is because of something I'm doing.

What is it, because I'll stop whatever it is.

I told you i wasnt attacking for double standards nor calling it scummy and you just said the conversation was boring you.

[Luna Fox]

Why are you scum reading Skybird?

Because it looks to me like both skybird and kraska are competing wagons and kraska was town so i thought skybird is scum.

[Luna Fox]

I can only assume the continued horsiness is because of something I'm doing.

What is it, because I'll stop whatever it is.

I told you i wasnt attacking for double standards nor calling it scummy and you just said the conversation was boring you.

Okie dokie, you weren't attacking for double standards then.

sorry it's just that i dislike it when people say im doing things im obviously not doing >.< apologies if that made you feel bad with my comments.

[Luna Fox]

I like her push on Kraska. Though I'm not sure if I agree

Yeah, that's my thoughts exactly, i just dont feel it with kraska and i felt like what pie was attacking kraska for was some idea in pie's head that all town dont do this or all scum do this, but it's kinda hard to explain when i have a townread there that's mostly of how i feel about their posts, and i just felt pie was wrong, but she couldnt see it, nor i could explain it (which is kinda frustrating tbh coz i love explaining things)

[Luna Fox]

yeah why were you even townreading Art before bee?

[Luna Fox]

Well i'd prefer skybird tbh, but i dont have a townread on Art so sure i'll add pressure

Vote: Art

[Luna Fox]

Hey Layla long time no see

[Luna Fox]

Long time no see, indeed.
Your view of this game, please.

Yume's probs town, Your predecessor's a townread, beeboy's a strong townread, UTL's a strong townread based on Nahdia's reaction when i lost my composure, I feel skybird could be scum due to being a competing wagon with your predecessor, TTH's probs town, pie's probs town and now im pressuring Art.

[Luna Fox]

Thank you.
Are you town?

Of course!

[Luna Fox]

Can you explain the UTL thing?

When i got mad at Nahdia she even threatened to quote her role PM and then replaced out before doing so, i felt that was townie (or it was probably my guilt, but regardless...)

[Luna Fox]

I am having a hard time parsing all this ammount of toxicity.

[Luna Fox]

But beegirl wanted me to press Art and decided to jump ship when it got hot, ill take note of that.

[Luna Fox]

it's kinda funny "Hey people let's pressure art" > nothing happens/art doesnt post > pressure fades

[Luna Fox]

Yeah and art hasnt posted and he went from L-1 to L-4 for... what reason?

[Luna Fox]

If Yume wanted to cut the day short she wouldn't have declared intent, she would've just flat out hammered.
I still dont understand.

[Luna Fox]

Luna is very easy to read.

I agree!

[Luna Fox]

Personally break rarely RARELY comes from scum.

Personally break?
You lost me there.

[Luna Fox]

Or am i just misreading something? did you make a typo or am i just bad at reading what that is supposed to mean >.<

[Luna Fox]

GIF's refusal to put scum at L-1 is noted.
Luna noting NAI things is noted.
Noted noted noted noted.

That notepad is filling with lots of stuff...
And I already knew Layla was GIF.

[Luna Fox]

GIF's refusal to put scum at L-1 is noted.

So if Art's scum
Why is it bad if Yume kills him?

[Luna Fox]

I actually didnt know/remember that fact btw.
I need to read those kind of sigs more often ^_^

[Luna Fox]

GIF replaced Kraska tho, didnt you townread kraska or am i misremembering (or where you one of the ppl scumreading kraska)

[Luna Fox]

I think you're giving my scum game too much credit ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

The only thing i know is that GIF's read is correct, whether he's lying about it or not idk, but as i said, i was townreading Kraska.

[Luna Fox]

as a fun fact, that game i linked had Layla there.

[Luna Fox]

I flip town, your vote is Yume's for the rest of the game.

Why Yume?

[Luna Fox]

Do you not townread her?
Also she's the most hilarious choice.

hilarious is an understatement

[Luna Fox]

Meanwhile my townread on pie is starting to rot.

[Luna Fox]

So now Art when from scum to PL?

[Luna Fox]

Damn Art, you're too pro, you havent even posted and ppl are changing opinions of you!

[Luna Fox]

Aristo isn't a PL just to clear that up.

Oh ok, i still posted that because it sounded funny XD

[Luna Fox]

Meanwhile my townread on pie is starting to rot.

what is this about?

Like i literally cant believe how you've been scumreading GIF's slot all game, and you continue to do so. I know i said i couldnt explain my kraska townread coz it was a bunch of feeling in her posts, but you need to realize that sometimes people dont play like you think they do, i mentioned this multiple times, you keep tunnel visioning, instead of actually seeing things from the other player's PoV.

[Luna Fox]

Well, if that's a prod dodge, that prod dodge had content in it (even tho just to say "im still scumreading your slot")
Dont feel dissapointed, feel the happiness ^_^

[Luna Fox]

@beegirl: What did i told you, Yume's not hammering and is giving intent. What point did you want to prove?

[Luna Fox]

@beegirl: What did i told you, Yume's not hammering and is giving intent. What point did you want to prove?

This is a joke right?

Because she was ready to hammer the first time around.

She gave intent >_>
Or are you claiming you have the ability to read her mind? Im just reading her posts.

[Luna Fox]

she can focus on actual scumhunting.

I thought you scumread her?
Or are you saying you want her to "fake scumhunting" or something.
You think she's town confbiassing?

[Luna Fox]

GIF and mollie made me laugh, thanks i needed that ^_^

[Luna Fox]

I will
I don't understand why but i feel like that post is pie trying to guilt trip me for wanting her to look at things from a different angle? Like idk, i dont have a feeling kraska was scum, i dont have a feeling GIF is scum either, I don't understand why i must be berated as if you've done something horrible to me, I read your points, but you arent reading Kraska's defenses, she already explained that you're assuming a bunch of things that she never even thought about. I don't think you can mind read people? Can you really say with 100% confidence that what you're saying is what crossed her head? What if she just has a different playstyle, her posts dont feel fake, they feel genuine (inb4 genuine isnt town).

GIF's been doing his thing and getting reads and you haven't engaged with him because you think personality break is something i can do? as scum?, If you know GIF well you know he's 100x a better reader of me than you are (not like it's any hard to see scum me anyway but whatever), and you havent engaged him about anything else, like i feel you're just tunnel visioning on this kraska read of yours and then you're just attributing all of it to GIF without actually trying to read GIF, he's not even scumreading you, he disagrees with your read on me, why arent you asking him about his other reads or do you agree with them? Who else do you think is scum? Oh right apparently you're gonna be VERY concerned about me if GIF flips scum, because we all know that everyone that's town must have 100% correct reads.

[Luna Fox]

Btw beeboy, you change roles at the start of the day? Just making sure that you dont roll ascetic when im targeting you.

[Luna Fox]

seriously? that is not even remotely a town claim.

I agree with you on something for once.

[Luna Fox]

I'm bored, I hope Art can hurry up.

[Luna Fox]

He has 24 hours. at the end of that, if he fails to provide content, I murderfuck him.

If he provides poor content, I murderfuck him.

If he provides content that is empty or less than meaningful, I murderfuck him.

I like your way of thinking

[Luna Fox]

And I had forgotten Layla was GIF, but I've definitely read that somewhere before.

Probably in Marquis' mini where i was scum.

[Luna Fox]

Art kinda jumped at the weirdest thing to pick up from to scumread me, feels more to me like he's picking on a weak point rather than scumhunting.
Also im not buying the Skybird vs Kraska being cross bus theory, i could buy both town, but not both scum.

[Luna Fox]

Can we lynch this?

I thought you said:

Actually I think the opposite because your description of your vig is already hard as f to land it and giving scums the ability to stop the vigshot would be an overkill.

Hmm...
I guess this all goes back to not outguessing the Mod. Valid point though.

So wouldn't that make Yume town? And you want to lynch her? Or do you disagree.

[Luna Fox]

Where did the rest of the people go?
Art: Weren't you gonna finish the catchup, or did you finish it already.

[Luna Fox]

Inb4 deathproof

[Luna Fox]

For one it's provable. So if he's outright lying, he'll be caught eventually.

Well to prove the role, we'd need to send someone to do an action on his target, hence making a potential useful role waste a night, and announcing who's doing what may involve roleblocks or he himself can be roleblocked, I already have a thing that i dislike about roles that require other town roles wasting actions to be useful.

For another, it's containable. We can have him claim his shots prior to night phase (which is also btw how we prove his role or not) such that he can't do scum things and claim "oh well I thought they were scum so".

Well this is true.

For a third, the complexity of the role and the way it matches up poorly wiht his flavour doesn't seem like something he'd decide to do if he was going to take that long to devise a fakeclaim. Like a vig who only works when someone else targets it too? Paranoid vig?

Well the complexity of the role is what's giving me misgivings, but it may be me just having a general dislike of roles that rely on other PRs to waste their actions to even be useful =/

[Luna Fox]

That is a vote on me alright.

[Luna Fox]

That might be worth doing

What

[Luna Fox]

That might be worth doing

What

I'm not in the right mental state to deal with this
Use your words please.

But i just explained why it's a bad idea BEFORE you said this :<

[Luna Fox]

Luna, are you _sure_ you're OK?

this would be the point where I expected you'd be up in arms that I made such a big deal over GIF-slot and ignored you telling me otherwise, only for me to go and stop thinking GIF was scum. I wasn't expecting that what I said in 1091 would be something you'd just outright ignore.

my obvious inclination is to attribute it to you being scum, but that response has no fire even for scum-you.

I just assume you're finally coming down to earth

[Luna Fox]

Probably me being overgamed

[Luna Fox]

I don't have anything to say to you, I'm not here to appease you, I'm here to find town and lynch scum. And furthermore im currently not townreading you so i dont really care what your read on me is, because in the off chance that you're town, it's wrong.

[Luna Fox]

Luna Fox - Not going to explain in detail for ~reasons~. No, it's not about any ongoing games. I was a listmod once, you know. I know better.

tbh your townread of me is starting to make me paranoid.

[Luna Fox]

What is that even supposed to mean.

[Luna Fox]

What is that even supposed to mean.

Double rainbow.

I'm still confused...

[Luna Fox]

that does not explain why your poe list is so bad

Ya I do need to rethink some of my town reads. >_>

Well Art is scum so there!

[Luna Fox]

For one it's provable. So if he's outright lying, he'll be caught eventually.

Well to prove the role, we'd need to send someone to do an action on his target, hence making a potential useful role waste a night, and announcing who's doing what may involve roleblocks or he himself can be roleblocked, I already have a thing that i dislike about roles that require other town roles wasting actions to be useful.

For another, it's containable. We can have him claim his shots prior to night phase (which is also btw how we prove his role or not) such that he can't do scum things and claim "oh well I thought they were scum so".

Well this is true.

For a third, the complexity of the role and the way it matches up poorly wiht his flavour doesn't seem like something he'd decide to do if he was going to take that long to devise a fakeclaim. Like a vig who only works when someone else targets it too? Paranoid vig?

Well the complexity of the role is what's giving me misgivings, but it may be me just having a general dislike of roles that rely on other PRs to waste their actions to even be useful =/

This is part of it, i can't talk about the rest of it right now tho, i'm not exactly worried about him surviving the lynch to begin with.

[Luna Fox]

Basically i already didnt like his play, for reasons i've mentioned before, and if anything the claim has made me want to lynch him even more =/

[Luna Fox]

I could ask you the same thing mollie.

[Luna Fox]

I could ask you the same thing mollie.

what is your read on mala?

Not a townread.

[Luna Fox]

I am in fucking topsy turvy land.
I'm speechless that not one, but

two

people who were in Summer Waltz are writing off Foxbird's "wait around for someone else to get lynched" play.

Unbelievable

pie and beegirl? owo

[Luna Fox]

So she must be referring to you and pie.

Uh that can't be coz im not townreading foxbird

[Luna Fox]

I am in fucking topsy turvy land.
I'm speechless that not one, but

two

people who were in Summer Waltz are writing off Foxbird's "wait around for someone else to get lynched" play.

Unbelievable

pie and beegirl? owo

Yes
Do

you

have anything to add here or do you just plan on pushing my buttons?

Well i'll only add that i'd lynch foxbird too, the thing is that Art is like conf scum =/

[Luna Fox]

Ok fine
VOTE: Foxbird

[Luna Fox]

o.o that is a shocking vote

i'm not exactly worried about him surviving the lynch to begin with.

[Luna Fox]

Right now you guys need my vote to lynch Foxbird, but i dont need anyone's vote to lynch Art

[Luna Fox]

A lot of wagon swinging near deadline and i have a feeling that all of them have a decent chance of hitting scum...

Also i think LLD is town.

[Luna Fox]

what

All of Art, Foxbird and Yume.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe less Art now, if what Yume says is true, i have weird feelings about this setup now =/

[Luna Fox]

They are all in my PoE leftovers, so unless im wrong on a townread, yes.

[Luna Fox]

They are all in my PoE leftovers, so unless im wrong on a townread, yes.

How are you town reading Mala... >_>

I'm not, she's also part of the PoE

[Luna Fox]

Luna's Foxy reads list ver 1.0

Strong Town:

Uptoolate ->Due to nahdia's threat and replace out
BeeGirl ->Due to role

Towny

pirate mollie -> Gut
TellTaleHeart -> I like her scumhunting and prodding about foxbird
Lady Lambdadelta -> I like her trying to sort people out
pieguyn (!) -> I initially townread her for her atk on kraska but all pie has done since then has gone downhill
Layla (!) -> How is GIF so sure im town, it's making me paranoid

Leftovers:

Malakittens
Skybird
Yume
Foxbird

Confirmed Scum?:

Aristophanes (!) -> Role Claimed. Losing confidence after Yume's role claim.

[Luna Fox]

Layla (!) -> How is GIF so sure im town, it's making me paranoid

I mean if you think I'm wrong, I'm always willing to reconsider.

Yeah because buddying isnt a thing scum does, totally!

[Luna Fox]

Oh NOW you're willing to lynch Art? fine.
VOTE: Art

[Luna Fox]

Yeah because buddying isnt a thing scum does, totally!

...
What

It's easy, if you're scum you already know I'm town, I don't understand why you're so certain that I'm town.

[Luna Fox]

Well, I lied, sort of. I am not Dayvig, I am a Night Vig only. That shot was to get her to shut up. Pretending I shot myself to force her to look elsewhere.

How many vigges are there!?

That was my thoughts as well when Yume claimed...
hmm...

[Luna Fox]

I thought my role was cool and unique, now it's not anymore :<

[Luna Fox]

if pie/beegirl/luna are trying to keep me in the lynch pool.

Am I?:

Luna's Foxy reads list ver 1.0

Strong Town:

Uptoolate ->Due to nahdia's threat and replace out
BeeGirl ->Due to role

Towny

pirate mollie -> Gut
TellTaleHeart -> I like her scumhunting and prodding about foxbird
Lady Lambdadelta -> I like her trying to sort people out
pieguyn (!) -> I initially townread her for her atk on kraska but all pie has done since then has gone downhill
Layla (!) -> How is GIF so sure im town, it's making me paranoid

Leftovers:

Malakittens
Skybird
Yume
Foxbird

Confirmed Scum?:

Aristophanes (!) -> Role Claimed. Losing confidence after Yume's role claim.

[Luna Fox]

Two

Three vigs and a redirector?

This game

FTFY

[Luna Fox]

...what

I thought i was soft-CCing Art pretty hard...

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Mala
Sure
What do you think of the other 2 vigs?

[Luna Fox]

Luna does your vig have conditions?

Pedit: @Luna shoot Mollie please

I was planning on shooting Foxbird actually (Art initially for claiming my role).
No it doesnt have any conditions.

Why would I shoot mollie? i think her role claim is town

P-Edit: I think she was calling UTL and Art Fake, she reclaimed Vig again in like a couple next posts =/

[Luna Fox]

since yume's did not happen I want her lynched rn

you can't cancel an in thread vig shot ffs you know this why are you acting like you don't

Well she said that she wasnt a day vig, just a night vig.

Whether that is actually true or not well... we'll have to see.

[Luna Fox]

If mala's a scum redirector i want her lynched first, otherwise scum can use the vigs as a 2nd shot.

[Luna Fox]

She claimed not a night vig either.

Where? owo, i may have missed it.

[Luna Fox]

Now that game is over.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67535
This was part of the reason i was townreading kraska, her play in here is like totally different from there.

[Luna Fox]

Even though I have no clue why vig even counterclaims when they can just shoot the CC at night :V

I was going to do that, but i got confused by Yume's claim to the point it made my CC kinda obvious.

[Luna Fox]

Well then flavor claim is Kurumi, im a double action vig odd night messenger, double action means i can use a shadow clone to use both actions in the same night.
But I guess you wont believe this you have my reads except pie has now dropped to leftovers.

Also thanks a lot for making me earn my first ML as town pie, that will be appreciated.

[Luna Fox]

Don't make me do it pie.
I haven't self-hammered as town and i don't plan on starting.
But I'd lol at seeing you being Yume's double vote, that I'm actually considering it.

[Luna Fox]

Final reads lists if you do decide to hammer me, im probably going to sleep soon anyway.

Luna's Foxy reads list ver 1.2

Strong Town:

Uptoolate ->Due to nahdia's threat and replace out
BeeGirl ->Due to role

Towny

pirate mollie -> Gut
TellTaleHeart -> I like her scumhunting and prodding about foxbird
Lady Lambdadelta -> I like her trying to sort people out
Layla (!) -> How is GIF so sure im town, it's making me paranoid

Leftovers:

Malakittens
Skybird
Yume
Foxbird
pieguyn

Confirmed Scum?:

Aristophanes (!) -> Role Claimed. Losing confidence after Yume's role claim.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe Art might actually be town idk =/ I was sure he was scum for claiming my role, but Yume's also claiming being a vig...

[Luna Fox]

Maybe Art might actually be town idk =/ I was sure he was scum for claiming my role, but Yume's also claiming being a vig...

I'm sorry we couldn't coexist this game

Well there was a reason i didnt want to claim my full role, and I had full intention of claiming this to beegirl tonight with my mod message, but alas, looks like i'll be eating rope.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe i should complain to farside for giving me such a convoluted role?
And here I thought yume being ascetic neighborizer town vig was town...

[Luna Fox]

Leftovers:
Malakittens
Skybird
Yume
Foxbird
pieguyn

I would probably break that out into:
{pieguy, Yume}
{Skybird}
{Mala}
{Foxbird, Ari}

But that's essentially where I am readswise too.

Well i dont really arrange them by read strength order, so everyone in Left overs is considered "not a townread".

[Luna Fox]

Wait. You're telling me you're willing to assume that a ascetic vig neighborizer is real but not a vig in training? They both sound ridiculous, but tell me why hers is more believable.

And apparently me being a double action town vig odd night messenger is SK.
And there's a claimed redirector.
Like people cant setup nowadays

[Luna Fox]

Yeah good idea pie, ignore the player that claimed Ascetic Neighborizer Vig and lynch the one that has no sort of protection against anything.

[Luna Fox]

like at this point im starting to think you're just scum worrying that i'll get another gut scumread on you over the night and shoot you like in that marathon game (except in there i only revealed your alignment)

[Luna Fox]

Or pie is scum that's scared of the power of Town!Luna's vigging gut.

[Luna Fox]

Why cant i ever roll masons
Mason vig would've been more fun than this convoluted role that is only making people want to lynch me.

[Luna Fox]

Why cant i ever roll masons
Mason vig would've been more fun than this convoluted role that is only making people want to lynch me.

Beeboy is a Mason Vig RNG-Madness role?

Crazy.

Nah i meant me being a mason vig.

[Luna Fox]

I'll literally self hammer if you promise me you'll lynch pie tomorrow

[Luna Fox]

Can you metaphorically or figuratively self hammer? o.O

I can, since im town.
pie's just worried that i'll catch her during the night, hence this whole SK thing, news flash, even if I were a supposed SK i'd still be scumhunting, pie's scared scum.

[Luna Fox]

At the very least i guess it's better that i do get my first town ML in my life so that stops stinging in my mind every game I play, but I feel like I'm not gonna be happy.

[Luna Fox]

I feel like if I go to sleep im just going to wake up hammered so im just going to leave last words here:

Spoiler: Open only after i'm dead

So it seems that I didn't survive after all, well I had fun playing with everyone ^_^ I tried my best to find scum, but seems like I got lynched anyway, pie's scum, she still needs death, Yume idk, Art's probably town, Mala's scum redirector and GIF's town, those are the only reads im certain of, good luck with the rest!

[Luna Fox]

I can't sleep...
So i'm just gonna say that i'll peer into my magic crystal ball.
And see that pie's gonna conveniently gonna ignore Yume's claim again or call her on fake claiming again, so that pie can conveniently keep fitting this narrative that my role only makes sense as SK and continue SK-hunting instead of scum-hunting, and i bet after i flip town, she's gonna conveniently gonna go after Yume because pie's conveniently gonna remember her claim then.

[Luna Fox]

We could be basking in the warm glow of a scumflip right now if someone just hammered Foxbird a while ago.
Don't give me any backtalk, Layla.

I could shoot her, like, while the scum redirector is still alive im not going to shoot coz i dont want to give scum a 2nd kill =/

[Luna Fox]

I guess beegirl didnt trust my read on pie.

[Luna Fox]

I guess beegirl didnt trust my read on pie.

I think TTH is more upset that no one followed her scum read on fox.

I did actually

[Luna Fox]

I got all my reads right funnily enough, just... at different times, kraska was obviously the scum counterwagon to scum skybird, pie and foxbird were also scum, i was fairly sure pie was scum by the end of D1, but apparently flipping SK makes ppl forget i have to scumhunt too.

[Luna Fox]

Also everyone that scumread pie got scumread back, that's super OMGUS, why was anyone even townreading that.

[Luna Fox]

pie didnt even try to fool me this game, and she still won despite me screaming at the end of D1 she was scum, now im sad.