Mini 1821 Badass Women U-Pick Mafia - game over

[Luna Fox]

Please stay, i can replace out instead if you want, after all im the problem.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: nahdia

[Luna Fox]

And once again we see why im not allowed to scumhunt u.u
Ugh i told you guys to stop me next time it happened T.T

[TellTaleHeart]

Well I didn't help with my troll vote. X_X

This game brings out the sadist in me.

[pirate mollie]

lets see what this does

VOTE: foxbird

[Luna Fox]

Well i'm moving Nahdia to strong townread.
In no way was that fakeable.

I... really should probably replace out too... i feel terribad about it

[TellTaleHeart]

So terribad that you would create that much more work for farside?

[Luna Fox]

So terribad that you would create that much more work for farside?

Well, yes, that terribad.
But thinking about it probably not a good idea.

[beegirl]

I don't think more replace outs will improve this situation :/

[Luna Fox]

And there you have it folks, you have seen for the first time the angry side of Luna, it rarely happens but... im a human being i cant really stay happy forever >.<

[pieguyn]

Well i'm moving Nahdia to strong townread.
In no way was that fakeable.

I... really should probably replace out too... i feel terribad about it

please don't.

[TellTaleHeart]

If Skybird is finished telling me about how standoffish and awful I am, I'm still interested in that Yume read.

[beegirl]

VOTE: Skybird

[pieguyn]

VOTE: Skybird

sigh.

can you read 385 and tell me why you disagree with it?

[beegirl]

VOTE: Skybird

sigh.

can you read 385 and tell me why you disagree with it?

I had a response typed out by I lost it since the site went down.
My motivation to play this game is kind of low and I will get back to you when I am in a better mood.

I don't really have a problem leaving her at L-1 in this playerlist since I don't see anyone derp hammering.

[Luna Fox]

i havent revoted her yet since i unvoted nahdia but didnt move my vote back, but just in case im not revoting yet anyway to give skybird time to respond to TTH.

[pirate mollie]

I think pie is town

I think nahdia is too.

nahdia plz come back

[Nahdia]

it would be pretty terrible of me to come back into the game like nothing happened after exploding like that. i'm really sorry. my life has taken a turn for the stressful lately and clearly i can't handle mafia right now. good luck guys.

[TellTaleHeart]

Life is more important than stupid internet game.



Get better, Nahdia.

[pieguyn]

^this.

/hugs

[beegirl]

it would be pretty terrible of me to come back into the game like nothing happened after exploding like that. i'm really sorry. my life has taken a turn for the stressful lately and clearly i can't handle mafia right now. good luck guys.

<3

[Luna Fox]

it would be pretty terrible of me to come back into the game like nothing happened after exploding like that. i'm really sorry. my life has taken a turn for the stressful lately and clearly i can't handle mafia right now. good luck guys.

hug

Hope you can forgive me.

Get better

[beegirl]

my major issue is, I *really* don't think Skybird's read is as horrible as a lot of people are claiming it is.

the major point she was making was that kraska's posts along the lines of e.g. 149 read like she was trying to use her posting a lot as a reason to throw doubt on mollie's read on her.

I think it's not a compelling point, yes, but it isn't "horrible" in terms of her thought process. I can easily read this post and see someone thinking that the mention of her activity was off and out of nowhere and hoping to attribute a reason to it, since it kind of is, and "I've posted a lot" is, in fact, an excuse scum like to pull up in order to cast doubt on reads on them.

do I think it's what kraska was doing in that post? not really. but I don't think it's unreasonable at all for someone to interpret it that way and I don't know why so many people think it's so horrible.

No matter what you tell me I won't be able to get over how terrible 297 was.

Nothing Skybird has posted so far would suggest she thinks the bolded part of your post.

I don't take issue with her building up to it with the way that she did, and I don't really take issue with the fact that she didn't vote it immediately, either. I could just as easily see it coming from town who has trouble getting up to speed in games early, or town who is just strict with their votes/wants to probe around a bit first before making an explicit vote.

Well I do take issue with her building up the way she did so I guess we just disagree on this one. Town doesn't need to build up a read in order to vote someone. That's how newer scum play because they are worried they won't have natural read progression. Being afraid of making a bad vote isn't really a town thought process for the most part. Yes it could be a play style thing but I have no reason to believe that right now. It's not like post 297 was the first time she declared she was suspecting Kraska she started posturing to vote her way back at post 150 and waited until post 348 until after a wagon built up on Kraska to actually do anything.

also, re: the last paragraph, Skybird's recent posts seem to confirm that at the least she is that kind of player.

Ok so I don't know when self meta has ever been reliable but let's say for a minute it is. I went to check Skybirds games and the last time she rolled town in a game that wasn't a large theme was approximately 9 months ago. She could effectively just say whatever she wants as scum right now about how she would plan on playing as town.

[pieguyn]

No matter what you tell me I won't be able to get over how terrible 297 was.

Nothing Skybird has posted so far would suggest she thinks the bolded part of your post.

the reasoning in 297 wasn't great, but I don't think the way she went about it was malicious. I completely disagree, for one, that her use of "ATE" is indicative of anything; it isn't scummy, yes, but some people just have a tendency to think it is for some reason.

I think if you're interpreting her kraska read differently, you're probably misreading her posts? 296 seems to pretty clearly imply that's what she was going for there, and actually, now that I look at it again, she's correct in 348 about kraska's "you're reading something into nothing" approach which comes from the same mindset of casting doubt on people's scum reads on you.

I think the thing about her being slow/hesitant to vote is a play style thing, and I'm really hoping you can come around on this. I think kraska's 299 is a much more reasonable place than any to go from thinking she *could be* scum to being very sure she *is* scum, since as I've brought up before, it was a really bad post that read more like obfuscation than anything (a point Skybird makes in the post where she voted).

Ok so I don't know when self meta has ever been reliable but let's say for a minute it is. I went to check Skybirds games and the last time she rolled town in a game that wasn't a large theme was approximately 9 months ago. She could effectively just say whatever she wants as scum right now about how she would plan on playing as town.

I think you're on the wrong track with this, too. scum usually will not lie about things that are easily fact-checkable like how they play from game to game, since it's a really stupid thing to lie about; all someone has to do is point out that this isn't how they play or meta them and find a game where they played differently and it's obvious they're full of shit. I'm pretty sure I have never seen scum take the approach of "make up facts about my play and rely on the fact that no one can tell whether I'd play like this as town or not", since not only is it a really unorthodox approach, it isn't one that is likely to work at all, precisely *because* no one will have any faith whatsoever in cold meta from that long ago.

[beegirl]

I think you're on the wrong track with this, too. scum usually will not lie about things that are easily fact-checkable like how they play from game to game, since it's a really stupid thing to lie about; all someone has to do is point out that this isn't how they play or meta them and find a game where they played differently and it's obvious they're full of shit. I'm pretty sure I have never seen scum take the approach of "make up facts about my play and rely on the fact that no one can tell whether I'd play like this as town or not", since not only is it a really unorthodox approach, it isn't one that is likely to work at all, precisely *because* no one will have any faith whatsoever in cold meta from that long ago.

She can argue literally anything is a playstyle thing because there is no evidence to back up how she plays in smaller games because she has not played in a smaller game in 9 months.

Although I will /concede for now.
UNVOTE:

I am undecided on what I will do with my vote moving forward tho.