Mini 1821 Badass Women U-Pick Mafia - game over

[pirate mollie]

hi guys

whats going on

[pirate mollie]

yo nahdia

wussup

[pirate mollie]

yo nahdia

wussup

hella busy day at work, soul is being slowly grinded into dust. u?

about the same, altho I do try to find the bright spots.

what do you make of things so far?

[pirate mollie]

I kinda wanna vote kraska

[pirate mollie]

LLAD GET OUGHTTA MAH HEAD

[pirate mollie]

Lambda's is being really vocal about it eventhough she hasn't provided a reason for voting me, not to mention not providing any content herself. Obviously dumb thing to do if shes scum as shes attractinh negative attention to herself. She's town.

Mollie's approach is different and her entrance rubbed me the wrong way, seems fake
Heh might as well
VOTE: mollie

oh?

what was fake about

"hi guys

whats going on?"

[pirate mollie]

Oh not just that one but also the post where you talk to nahdia
Idk both posts felt really offbeat from the surrounding context, like you wanted to engage with others but didnt know how to do it. and it's like you're just waiting for something to happen so you can chime in and do something(which you did. as soon a few people expressed some suspicion of me, you immediately chimed in)

uhm

[pirate mollie]

So yeah can you provide some content?
Why did you want to vote me?

I will respond with content when I have it. I promise.

I don't have much. I am watching to see how pie/lld play out and the weird dialogue around that. I am taking note of yume claiming ascetic. mostly I feel like pple are jumping at shadows.

[pirate mollie]

we cld always vote luna

[pirate mollie]

Huh I have made more progress into solving this game then what I originally thought.

I am sure you have!

can you explain your reads?

[pirate mollie]

beeboy read on pie?

[pirate mollie]

tth did you just make a "stop posting" post

[pirate mollie]

Wait I almost forgot.
Mollie why are you scum reading Luna?

I actually forget why?

I swear I had a reason tho.

[pirate mollie]

Also what is your read on Nahdia if you have one?
@Mollie

pedit: I asked you awhile back and you never answered me

I don't have 1 yet!

do you?

[pirate mollie]

I am.

I still have no read tho

[pirate mollie]

Considering my role is combination of confirmable and anti town things I am going to role claim for the funzies.

At the start of each day phase the mod rolls a die and based on the result I get one of the following abilities.
1. Loved
2. Hated
3. Ascetic
4. Double voter

so which 1 did you get

[pirate mollie]

My role is pretty weird tbh ^_^;; but is confirmable anyway.

tell us more

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: kraska

[pirate mollie]

I'd strongly prefer a Skybird lynch, but I don't hate either vote.

why

[pirate mollie]

Replace Kraska with Skybird and Skybird with Kraska and that is where I am at right now.

can you walk me through your scum read on Skybird again?

I've seen your posts etc., I just want to make sure I'm not missing any of it for completeness's sake.

It was really just her horrible reason for scum reading her counter wagon and not actually voting it that makes me think she is scum. Like Kraska has plenty of content to create a non terrible read.

she did vote it?

[pirate mollie]

I'd strongly prefer a Skybird lynch, but I don't hate either vote.

why

Skybird is scummier than kraska.

I am not sure about that. what else do ya got

[pirate mollie]

we cld lynch luna

[pirate mollie]

Mollie is starting to give me bad vibes :c

good. let me know when you come to the painfully obvious conclusion that mollie and skybird are partners.

why yes. yes we are

[pirate mollie]

oh man

it sure will look awkward if sky flips scum

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: nahdia

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE: nahdia

[pirate mollie]

lets see what this does

VOTE: foxbird

[pirate mollie]

I think pie is town

I think nahdia is too.

nahdia plz come back

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

I thought I already did that.

[pirate mollie]

I don't have any issue with mollie's posts, btw; I see the point about her activity but the way she's going about it doesn't strike me as malicious. I'd like if UTL could point me to something specific about it that she's taking issue with.

Again, it just feels like she's going through the motions of scumhunting, but it's all shallow and doesn't seem to be progressing anything. I'm interested to see her opinions on recent interactions.

Has anybody ISOd LLD or Mala? I don't like either of those slots right now.

is this just due to lurking, btw, or is there something specific about their posts that you dislike?

Lurking, and lack of content. I do see Mala has caught up and I need to read through that again here in a few.

I have a confirmable role.

[pirate mollie]

I don't care about what you think, I am not gonna let town lose another game because 'Yume is bad.' Creature summs it up best:

"Florestan's claim is obviously fake!"
"I'll vote Yume then"

link to the game?

[pirate mollie]

hhmmm...

[pirate mollie]

This Ari catchup better be accompanied by a musical number with the amount of time we've been waiting for it.

^ I love this.

tth is cranky town

[pirate mollie]

tth is cranky town

Is this just for the post that you quoted?

more or less

[pirate mollie]

How does your reads look right now?

You give me yours, I'll give you mine.

they honestly look like shit rn cos I am not entirely sure that I understand what is going on!

this really does not bode well

[pirate mollie]

I mean mine isn't something to be proud of either given the game state right now.

{Luna, Foxbird, beeboy, Yume, UTL,

pieguyn

, TTH} town is all I got right now.

Rest are unsorted. Normally by this point I have my first draft of full PoE.

so you have 5 left to sort yeah?

so what help do you need in sorting the rest?

[pirate mollie]

I think this is the gif you were looking for:

[pirate mollie]

I am willing to lynch ari atm but I am also patient.

[pirate mollie]

I want to lynch ari

also my flavour is from the xmen movie guess who

[pirate mollie]

no, its jean grey. I have been jean grey in every xmen upick that I have played so far!

pssst, don't tell mala

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: ari

[pirate mollie]

ari

I am not liking your stalling

[pirate mollie]

what kind of content do you need ari?

cos I feel like there is a lot to go on

[pirate mollie]

MOLLIE!

hi.

How do you feel about LLD currentlu?

about the same I feel about 1249 by ari.

I feel like I am pulling teeth

[pirate mollie]

I wld like to hear an answer to this too!

[pirate mollie]

I wld like to hear an answer to this too!

Like this shit needs to fucking die.

These are the words of a scum who is watching their easy mislynch slip away and wants desperately to respond to me with some form of discrediting of my thoughts to continue to push by virtue of apathy and status quo this Ari lynch.

Ari is town, we're not lynching him today.

sure

you do that.

can you plz talk to me as if I will always be around?

[pirate mollie]

will still be around

[pirate mollie]

I am claiming something. I am something in which I shld most likely be around no matter what you pple do.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: luna

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Mollie

Being a double voter is fun.

I just want to point out how I am saying how lynching me won't make a difference and then beeboy tries to lynch me.

not that I am pointing out an accountability argument or anything.

[pirate mollie]

hey layla

its okay

do you wanna help me make heads or tails of lld? I am not ignoring your mala argument btw, it is just that you probs need to be the 1 to pursue that.

[pirate mollie]

This game is pretty frustrating that aside from obvious towns being obviously town, nulls are really hard to sort right now.

who do you need help sorting?

[pirate mollie]

I feel like mala is doing her gamer girl thing. unsure. I feel like sky is popping up cos no1 else knows where to go. very very very slight townread. I just don't want to lynch her rn.

[pirate mollie]

Uptoolate - Nahdia rep out shenanigan. Technically could be faked as scum, but given the situation, I find it highly unlikely.

I am there.

TellTaleHeart - This is probably the most laziest townread. I liked the part about him wanting Ari dead for meta reason found in her previous game (quoted too, which is what I liked mainly.)
Yume - Bah.

innate feelings tell me she is town that i cannot backtrack from. I hope that they are right.

I will likely get weird about her later.

Foxbird - If anything, his 857 is a genuine attempt to sort people.

okay.

pieguyn - If I am wrong on this one, she've done a very good job trolling me. I don't like explaining my read on pie so I'll continue doing so.

I think she is town. she isn't thinking about her responses she is just posting them.

BeeGirl - 0.2% he could be scum coasting on a weird as f claim but he can be town.

okay

Luna Fox - Not going to explain in detail for ~reasons~. No, it's not about any ongoing games. I was a listmod once, you know. I know better.

okay

Layla - Scum. Definitely.

/mostlikely

Aristophanes - Weird as f vig claim is tbh all I got on him but I think that's enough of a reason for a townread. And I'm saying this after I got hilariously trolled in antihero game for townreading scum for a same reason. I guess I never learn.

okay. I can work from here.

[pirate mollie]

beegirl what are your reasons for scumreading me exactly?

[pirate mollie]

I admit my POE this game is probably horrible tho.

it is. it really is.

why is that?

[pirate mollie]

I admit my POE this game is probably horrible tho.

it is. it really is.

why is that?

1159

Also I will probably end up town reading Luna later.

that does not explain why your poe list is so bad

[pirate mollie]

His role seems legit tho.

how so

[pirate mollie]

His role seems legit tho.

how so

I don't think his role would be a scum role since giving a scum vig in a 13p would be crazy. His role feels too weird, conditional and provable to be a fake claim.

3

I think i really might want to lynch you for this post.

[pirate mollie]

Is there really anything wrong with me assuming if Ari's role claim is legit he is town?

okay. we can work this out.

*breathes into paper bag*

a vig is a town role. period, end of story.

sks exist in coney island. as well as scum getting an extra kill in if the town is stacked. or there is some other screwy mechanic.

tell me what you think of ari's play. put thought into it.

[pirate mollie]

There isn't exactly been this damning Ari scum case either.
My grasp on why everyone wants him dead is he is underwhelming which is something I can apply to many people in this game. :T

so why is your vote still on me at this point?

[pirate mollie]

I still feel like I wanna lynch beegirl

[pirate mollie]

Mollie why is your read on me horrible this game?
This hasn't happened before and it worries me because I am pretty clearly town.

yeah no

not feeling it

[pirate mollie]

You think the RNG double voter/hated/loved/ascetic role would be given to scum.
Nice nice.

pedit: @mollie

are you hated/loved/ascetic and doublevoter all at the same time?

[pirate mollie]

You think the RNG double voter/hated/loved/ascetic role would be given to scum.
Nice nice.

pedit: @mollie

are you hated/loved/ascetic and doublevoter all at the same time?

The mod rolls a die at the beginning of each day phase.
I get one of those 4 modifiers until the start of the next dayphase.

okay

character name again?

[pirate mollie]

why is it you find my role implausible again?

[pirate mollie]

There isn't exactly been this damning Ari scum case either.
My grasp on why everyone wants him dead is he is underwhelming which is something I can apply to many people in this game. :T

so why is your vote still on me at this point?

[pirate mollie]

I could ask you the same thing mollie.

what is your read on mala?

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

who is MIA rn

[pirate mollie]

I am actually thinking a mollie lynch might be better, just due to the way the wagons have happened so far.

if you want it, make it happen while Im on the flight Im about to board and Ill join when I get back to a PC.

wow

[pirate mollie]

But we can just kill Mollie whenever since i don't see you getting NK'd

when I flip, this thing needs to die.

tth help plz

[pirate mollie]

And why the fudge can't you wait for me to discuss things with beegirl?

UTL and LLD scum hoping to prevent me neighborizing beegirl and talking things over with her.

Useless, yeah right, when you don't want to allow me to be useful. Keep preaching, peas.

is this thing lynched yet

plz say it is getting lynched, I am waiting to catch up before I vote

[pirate mollie]

Tinfoil theory: Luna/Pie/Bee ultimate scumtheatre trolling

HUSH YOUR MOUTH

IT CLD HAPPEN

[pirate mollie]

okay so i am doing this:

VOTE: yume

[pirate mollie]

Did you catch up mollie?

I did. and I don't believe her claim.

can we plz not do the "oh it is too scummy to come from scum" cos sometimes they are just scum.

[pirate mollie]

me being in any scum pile is pretty sus at this point since I am flat out claiming town treestump. I was hoping to try to eat a nk but it isn't gonna happen if pie/beegirl/luna are trying to keep me in the lynch pool. better to lose my count for town parity now rather than get mislynched later when numbers become super important later. hopefully we won't get to that point but the game is struggling weirdly along and it is pretty hard to figure out and unpredictable.

I will still be around. unfortunately.

@ mod: I am voting yume

[pirate mollie]

treestump

That's exactly what I thought.

I wanted to make Hades in Disney Villain UPick a scum treestump but Antihero wouldn't let me because he said the role only works as a town role, a scum treestump has the potential to wreck the game since their optimal play after dying is to spam the thread and make the game unplayable.
So I treated the treestump softclaim as town.

I thought that you did, it is why i have you as town. I hope that I am not wrong in that.

can we plz talk about yume? I don't believe the claim. however I am very unsure cos of the aTe (had a bad recent with that) but ugh I want to lynch her anyway.

[pirate mollie]

Luna does your vig have conditions?

Pedit: @Luna shoot Mollie please

why do you want me shot beegirl?

and what are you going to do once I flip town and still in the game?

[pirate mollie]

Tth doesn't want to lynch mollie. I think yume might actually be town from her ate alone, but I don't buy her claim. Actually. I need to go back and look at her reaction to how aris claimed vig. Logic would dictate that she would be out for blood seeing as its doubtful that there are 2 vigs in a mini right? If she is actually a vig, I mean.

FAKE FAKE FAKE

THEY'RE BOTH FAKE.

NOTICE HOW QUICKLY ARI AGREED TO SHOOT ME AS SOON AS UTL SUGGESTED IT. IT'S EITHER BUDDYING, OR THEY'RE BOTH SCUM. EITHER WAY, ARI NEEDS TO DIE. TODAY.

Did I misread this?

Oh.

2 then. But it changes nothing and both vigs are even more likely to be town.

I think ari, luna and yume are all claiming vig roles.

since yume's did not happen I want her lynched rn

you can't cancel an in thread vig shot ffs you know this why are you acting like you don't

your town real estate just plummeted.

[pirate mollie]

I think he just want your role proven.

I think he wants to direct the shots so that they do not hit scum. that is how the motivation behind his posts reads cos he isn't trying to organize the shots in order to prove my claim he just wants all vigs to target me. idgi

can we talk about yume plz

[pirate mollie]

since yume's did not happen I want her lynched rn

you can't cancel an in thread vig shot ffs you know this why are you acting like you don't

Well she said that she wasnt a day vig, just a night vig.

Whether that is actually true or not well... we'll have to see.

are we really going there.

we are we

what wld be the town advantage of fakeclaiming day vig when you are really night vig.

ftr I am working against a meta read here, in that this in no way shape or form looks like her scum game.

but jfc I just can't. like I really can't.

[pirate mollie]

Luna does your vig have conditions?

Pedit: @Luna shoot Mollie please

why do you want me shot beegirl?

and what are you going to do once I flip town and still in the game?

I felt as though for a lynchproof / tree stump you are trying way to hard to stay alive and killing me for wanting you lynched is odd as well. I didn't buy the soft claim in all honesty and nothing about your play is giving me vibes you want to be night killed like you just said.

I didn't need to give you the space I promised if your death really didn't matter since you would still be around.


If you flip town I will be able to listen to stump Mollie knowing she is town which isn't the worst thing in the world.

how am i trying too hard to stay alive when the reason that you are wanting me dead is cos of...what was the word that you used?

eta: I missed where she claimed to not be a night vig as well where is it

[pirate mollie]

Tth doesn't want to lynch mollie. I think yume might actually be town from her ate alone, but I don't buy her claim. Actually. I need to go back and look at her reaction to how aris claimed vig. Logic would dictate that she would be out for blood seeing as its doubtful that there are 2 vigs in a mini right? If she is actually a vig, I mean.

FAKE FAKE FAKE

THEY'RE BOTH FAKE.

NOTICE HOW QUICKLY ARI AGREED TO SHOOT ME AS SOON AS UTL SUGGESTED IT. IT'S EITHER BUDDYING, OR THEY'RE BOTH SCUM. EITHER WAY, ARI NEEDS TO DIE. TODAY.

Did I misread this?

are you fucking kidding me

can we plz lynch yume and then beeboy consecutively? ty

[pirate mollie]

how am i trying too hard to stay alive when the reason that you are wanting me dead is cos of...what was the word tha

You are a lot more underwhelming in this game then you where in the walking dead game we played in by far which is where my suspicions came from.

uh huh

[pirate mollie]

no teasing, I wanna flip

[pirate mollie]

why layla why

[pirate mollie]

The only vig claim I'm buying is Luna's.

so can we lynch yume

eta: are you guys wanting to lynch mala

[pirate mollie]

I'm not really seeing a scenario where Ari's not scum.
VOTE: Ari

why ari over yume or luna

[pirate mollie]

cos I had this moment where I thought we were on the same page and now we are not

[pirate mollie]

Pie I kind of want Yume to shoot Mollie >.>

either Aris or mollie is probably fine, tbh.

do you think that i am lying about my claim?

[pirate mollie]

I am sleeping on this and who Yume should vig if she really is a vig.
I can't think right now for some reason.

can pple NOT FUCKING LISTEN TO BEEBOY TY KISS KISS

[pirate mollie]

okay i am caught up and I am off to work.

I...just don't have words.

[pirate mollie]

That TTH kill was pretty neat.
I expected you to go tonight UTL.

Why? Tbh, I expected pie after her catching the SK, and correctly deducing she was SK.

Yume, you know, intentionally calling me by the wrong pronoun when I not only have it listed, but you've been corrected on it already, is incredibly rude.

Also, you have flips. Gogo with your associations. Day 1 is over.

do you know who worries about sks its scum that is who.

I think luna's flip makes pie look infinitely scummier for his read. you shld know this by utl.

[pirate mollie]

*by now, utl

[pirate mollie]

Ah that makes sense considering the day started early you may not have been roleblocked.

I don't believe Ascetic roles can be role-blocked...

they can't

[pirate mollie]

Piegirl is town.
I don't really like either Ari or Yume, but tbh I can't decide who is scummier. Gut tells me Yume, but I don't really trust Ari.
Confused on why Mollie didn't treestump.
Beegirl is town.
LLD might be scum.

because no1 nked me

[pirate mollie]

also I really don't like that readslist

[pirate mollie]

do you know who worries about sks its scum that is who.

I think luna's flip makes pie look infinitely scummier for his read. you shld know this by utl.

Nah.
He was not HUNTING for SK. He DEDUCED that Luna is a SK based on her claimed role and stuff.
Two different things.

he deduced that she was sk = hunting for sk

cos why wld you be thinking of an sk

scum are better deducing/hunting for the sk cos they have inside knowledge based on how large their team is and what kind of roles are in play. conversely, indies are better at spotting scum.

this is also a player who wanted to take away my vote. fuck yeah I am scumreading them.

I think I need to reread luna's posts

[pirate mollie]

Layla, mollie. Please vote yume with me.

Her play has not been town. She's intentionally tried to confuse the thread with her vig claims and not clearing any of the confusion up.

She has scum reads but no vote.

She forgot she claimed ascetic when she said I roleblocked her.

She has yet to scum hunt and her scum reads are just those who are trying to get her lynched.

She's also proven more than once that she doesn't really have scum reads on who she says she does.

Her ate and trolling are just fucking awful.

She's just fucking scumflailing.

okay, lets talk this out. do you know who yume is reminding me of rn? bins, like how she was in your game. she fucking LIED and pple were like "oh she is obvs town!" and I was like no way. and my bad read cost us the game.

trust me, I am feeling you but I hope you understand my hesitancy here.

[pirate mollie]

YOU ARE IN A GAME CALLED BAD ASS WOMEN MAFIA.

WHERE THE ONLY REASON ARI COULD JOIN WAS BECAUSE OF LACK of SLOTS.

IT'S ON HER PROFILE.

COME THE FUCK ON.

don't yell at me lld

[pirate mollie]

YOU ARE IN A GAME CALLED BAD ASS WOMEN MAFIA.

WHERE THE ONLY REASON ARI COULD JOIN WAS BECAUSE OF LACK of SLOTS.

IT'S ON HER PROFILE.

COME THE FUCK ON.

don't yell at me lld

I will fucking yell at whomever I like.

And if it's at you because you're being a fucking jerk/moron, then I'll fucking do it.

you know it is not intentional, I freaking invited pie to this game cos I think she is awsum.

but just to be sure, I AM SORRY PIE <3

so calm down.

[pirate mollie]

Layla, mollie. Please vote yume with me.

Her play has not been town. She's intentionally tried to confuse the thread with her vig claims and not clearing any of the confusion up.

She has scum reads but no vote.

She forgot she claimed ascetic when she said I roleblocked her.

She has yet to scum hunt and her scum reads are just those who are trying to get her lynched.

She's also proven more than once that she doesn't really have scum reads on who she says she does.

Her ate and trolling are just fucking awful.

She's just fucking scumflailing.

okay, lets talk this out. do you know who yume is reminding me of rn? bins, like how she was in your game. she fucking LIED and pple were like "oh she is obvs town!" and I was like no way. and my bad read cost us the game.

trust me, I am feeling you but I hope you understand my hesitancy here.

I know. But bins wasnt fake claiming and taking it back and leaving the thread confused. Bins was also actually trying. Can you say the same for yume?

yume's play in that game and her play are drastically different IMO.

I DO think she is scummy. like big time. its why I HATE it when town do this shit and I am not sure how much I trust my reads.

[pirate mollie]

do you know who worries about sks its scum that is who.

I think luna's flip makes pie look infinitely scummier for his read. you shld know this by utl.

first off, I don't particularly believe you read how I was handling Luna, for the entire duration of D1, and somehow come out of that with a "scum hunting for SK" read; I didn't even think of an SK until the point where she claimed "double action vig odd night messenger", which is... really obviously not a town role (and actually now that I'm thinking about it again I'm wondering about GIF because he has a lot of mod experience, and should have been able to see that it was really obviously not a town role, much in the same way I did, as soon as she claimed). up until that point, I had a standard scum read on her. I probably would have kept giving her room until D2 and then came out and lynched her had the vig claim not locked in the read for me.

second off, I said about a hundred times at the end of D1 that I had a bunch of evidence I could pull up if people really needed me to; if you think my read on her makes me scum,

why do you just immediately push it without attempting to understand at all where I'm coming from on her first?

I have very very high familiarity with Luna, and I've said as much, so certainly you'd realize there had to be *something* to my read on her.

I do understand your read on luna. I just think it makes you look like scum because of it.

[pirate mollie]

also I'd like to know your current read on Aris, since Aris is still pretty clearly scum here and I'm not exactly sure why you seem to think otherwise.

mebbe I am not seeing clearly

why is ari clearly scum

[pirate mollie]

why is ari clearly scum

have you read the end of D1 at all?

I did.

but obvsly I am not seeing what you are seeing which is why I am asking you to spell out what you are seeing.

[pirate mollie]

the issue here @mollie is that, given our previous experience with each other, I would expect you would realize that I know exactly what I'm doing when it comes to Luna, and if you took issue with it I would expect you'd probe around, try to understand my thought process in more detail, and *then* push it if you didn't like what you saw.

not what you're doing here. what you're doing here is what I would expect from scum who thought that "she pushed the SK and scum like to SK hunt" would be an easy angle of attack, and there it was.

how is it an easy angle of attack when I have never actually gotten scum lynched for it. like

I'VE TRIED.

[pirate mollie]

I did.

but obvsly I am not seeing what you are seeing which is why I am asking you to spell out what you are seeing.

for one, he fucking claimed vig and then no vig kill happened.

there's a bunch of play reasons for him being scum as well (tl;dr of it is that everything he did D1 - both his reads and that catchup he made at the end - was really shallow, and I didn't like his play right at the end either. I might pull up what, specifically, I take issue with if I _really_ need to), but this is really fucking straightforward.

isn't he a conditional vig? I mean I thought he explained it. utl clarified the explanation.

I mean this did happen, didn't it? so unless you are scumreading utl then your scumread on ari doesn't make sense.

[pirate mollie]

I am a treestump. quit your whining.

[pirate mollie]

@PIRATE MOLLIE:

do you have any response to 1836?

your in depth read is based on "I cld go into more in depth but I won't" and you are expecting me to *magically* determine what you are talking about through your iso and that is not happening. spell out your in depth process with your luna if you think that it somehow makes you look town. cos I have read your posts and so far I am not getting it. I think it makes you look scummier for it and I have said so.

[pirate mollie]

I am also done talking to you pie cos I think you are scum.

VOTE: pieguyn

[pirate mollie]

Mollie want to vote mala?

mebbe

but I am not liking pie

[pirate mollie]

and you are expecting me to *magically* determine what you are talking about through your iso and that is not happening.

no, I'm not.

I'm expecting that if you really took issue with my Luna read, you would take more of an interest in what I was talking about, and try to understand where I was coming from on my read on her, *before* coming up with this "SK-hunting" push. you easily could have read my posts and asked me anything along the lines of "why is it not normal for her to be this distant to you", "why do you say SK and not just scum", "is this all you have for scum reading her", or anything along those lines.

lets break this down.

what you are saying is, that I shld have asked you questions when you were sk-reading luna and not now, after her flip is confirmedsk? I scumread luna before it became kewl, I was casting my net wide cos I am in this game for the long haul and it is how I play this type of role as well as bp or any other role that cannot be comepletely removed from the game. luna was a scumread of mine and in that, we agreed, it is the specificity for the reasons that you gave are what I take issue with. because for the reasons that you have given mean she cld be scum or sk, but you seemed to have inside knowledge for the distinction.

you didn't. I made it clear that I had a lot more depth behind my read, and you completely handwaved it and went straight into "she was SK-hunting". what you did here doesn't read like you were genuinely interested in my read on her at all - as I said before, it read more like a convenience push than anything.

as for you asking me to explain it, I would have yesterday when it was relevant, but I think the odds of you getting me lynched are about 0% so it'd largely be a distraction. my goal here isn't to defend myself, it's to scum hunt your thought process.[/quote]

[pirate mollie]

if mollie tries to be like "LELEL UR SCUM SO IM NOT RESPONDING TO YOU" in response to my 1884, I'll probably powerlynch her, by the way.

powerlynching me will not remove me from the game and you will be lynched as a result of it cos I will make sure of it. and then MEBBE II will be able to sort the game out. do you want to what I will be looking for? immediate discrediting of my reads. when so far with the flips they have been bang on.

[pirate mollie]

I'm starting to think GIF could be scum. more on this later.

Mollie/GIF best scumteam 2016

^5

[pirate mollie]

and you are expecting me to *magically* determine what you are talking about through your iso and that is not happening.

no, I'm not.

I'm expecting that if you really took issue with my Luna read, you would take more of an interest in what I was talking about, and try to understand where I was coming from on my read on her, *before* coming up with this "SK-hunting" push. you easily could have read my posts and asked me anything along the lines of "why is it not normal for her to be this distant to you", "why do you say SK and not just scum", "is this all you have for scum reading her", or anything along those lines.

lets break this down.

what you are saying is, that I shld have asked you questions when you were sk-reading luna and not now, after her flip is confirmedsk? I scumread luna before it became kewl, I was casting my net wide cos I am in this game for the long haul and it is how I play this type of role as well as bp or any other role that cannot be comepletely removed from the game. luna was a scumread of mine and in that, we agreed, it is the specificity for the reasons that you gave are what I take issue with. because for the reasons that you have given mean she cld be scum or sk, but you seemed to have inside knowledge for the distinction.

you didn't. I made it clear that I had a lot more depth behind my read, and you completely handwaved it and went straight into "she was SK-hunting". what you did here doesn't read like you were genuinely interested in my read on her at all - as I said before, it read more like a convenience push than anything.

as for you asking me to explain it, I would have yesterday when it was relevant, but I think the odds of you getting me lynched are about 0% so it'd largely be a distraction. my goal here isn't to defend myself, it's to scum hunt your thought process.

whoops broken quotes

[pirate mollie]

omg they are still bad.

I am tired. sorry

[pirate mollie]

Ok so we lose a townie and a town vote if she's not lying?

YEP

[pirate mollie]

And don't even think about mafia treestump because there is literally no point in making a mafia treestump because a treestumped mafia will be just forced to troll or prod dodge.

I've yet to see her prove it so

I don't think it needs to be proven tbqh because claiming a treestump is begging to be vigged/lynched.
But if we're wasting a lynch to prove it, hey we lynched scum D1, we can waste a lynch.

we lynched an sk, we did not lynch grpscum. there are no associations to work off of. it isn't the same thing.

I am trying to work out how pie knew luna was an sk. I have been stonewalled.

why are you fucking voting me

[pirate mollie]

Yes, that means I'll visit him again tonight.
And then we'll get our stuff together and lynch mala for great justice.

what consecutive, non actionable targeted role are you claiming

[pirate mollie]

(Also, I would totally vig a claimed treestump in a situation like this.)

(I wld support this)

[pirate mollie]

I think you proving yourself as a treestump is necessary for town to move on.

Also, lynching a SK still means scum lynched.
One of the reason for Pie scumreading Luna as a SK is because she claimed a messanger AND a vig, which are two roles that are very unlikely to be paired together, and on top of that, she claimed that she can use both of the abilities simultaneously, which means... yeah. Only a SK would be capable of vigging and messaging at the same time. Mafia is unlikely to claim vig because well, unless mod put a scum vig, they gotta prove that there's a second kill.

uhm. what?

she flipped messanger AND sk. so I am not following your argument that pie's reason for voting luna is town holds water since you are basing it off of the assumption that luna's claim is not valid when she flipped what pie thought was the most unlikely scenario and that somehow makes him town for it, especially when she is saying that it was based on a specific sk-playstyle going on.

[pirate mollie]

plz don't ignore me layla

[pirate mollie]

uhm. what?

she flipped messanger AND sk. so I am not following your argument that pie's reason for voting luna is town holds water since you are basing it off of the assumption that luna's claim is not valid when she flipped what pie thought was the most unlikely scenario and that somehow makes him town for it, especially when she is saying that it was based on a specific sk-playstyle going on.

I mean I don't know the sk-playstyle reason thing too since I never saw it. (For an extra, my entire reason of my Luna townread was compromised of "Luna wouldn't act like this as mafia.")
First she claimed messenger, and then later in the game she claimed vig. And then she claimed that she can use both abilities at the same night. She flipped messenger SK, as pie deduced. Also, I was more of arguing that "her catching SK like that doesn't make her mafia" than "she is town for catching SK like that", if you get what I mean.

what you said was that pie deduced she was sk because the messenger sk role was unlikely, which is what she flipped.

since you are positing that pie is not scum cos "her catching SK like that doesn't make her mafia" then what are you basing your town read on her on?

[pirate mollie]

GIF, how in the hell is it that you get the logic for Luna's role being an obvious SK role *now* and you didn't get it back when I was actually lynching her?

vote: pirate mollie

^^^^ wants to remove my vote by the way

[pirate mollie]

what you said was that pie deduced she was sk because the messenger sk role was unlikely, which is what she flipped.

since you are positing that pie is not scum cos "her catching SK like that doesn't make her mafia" then what are you basing your town read on her on?

Nononono, I said that she deduced that she was SK because what she claimed was a very SK-ish role, not because it was unlikely.
My base on pie townread?

Hehe
Ehehehehe
EheuhuehuehueahuHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

...

It's a company secret.

thank you so much for giving me the least amount of info while I am a hostage in this game

[pirate mollie]

I mean, I guess I'm sorry?
But as I said right after posting that, that is literally how I've been reading pie for YEARS.

and so your solution to that is to sheep her on to me.

while removing my vote.

PLAY THE TAPE THROUGH

scum are not down 1 notch. town is.

-sk
-town tracker

and now you want to lynch some1 who is claiming treestump.

when you think I am town.

within 24 hours of d2 opening up. and you are not looking at the pple who are voting me. when you think I am town.

walk me through it here, cos paranoia leads me to that pie is being dumb and you will sheep her dumbness and lld's and hide behind it. I have you as town but look at the numbers.

if there is a speck of you that thinks that yume and ari are both town then have them target me if you are determined to have me lynched over solving what is actually pretty relevant and game solving.

why aren't you doing this.

unless you are making sweet promises that you will look at my wagon and talk to me cos I am telling you that I will flip town.

[pirate mollie]

I'm going to wait for other people to show up.

I am also acknowledging that LLD is still refusing to explain UTL scumread that she had on Day 1.

are you waiting on the animals

I am too

I might be wrong on pie. BUT IT IS PRETTY SUSPICIOUS.

[pirate mollie]

if we're making Yume dead, I would much prefer her being vig'd over her being lynched.

why

there was an attempt to vig her last night and it failed. so do you want the vig to waste another shot? and it is textbook optimal town play to vig a treestump if there is a question about their alignment so I am wondering why the fuck you are pushing a suboptimal town strategy?

I mean I can't believe that there are pple who actually think that I wld nk tth. I WAS HER FUCKING STRONGEST TOWNREAD AND WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER. like this line of thought is so fucking stupid that I don't even have words for it.

[pirate mollie]

It really bugs me that Yume wants to be vigged so badly. She seems too eager to be vigged. I think lynching her is the best strategy.

I don't really agree with this kind of logic; my take on it is that Yume isn't flipping scum, and if we lynch her it'll essentially be an entirely wasted day phase if she's town or a mostly wasted one if she's scum (it hopefully should be obvious why). I don't hold a particularly high opinion of Yume's play, but I do believe that she from a town POV would in fact be able to see that it would not be good if we lynched her assuming she was scum only to find out we've wasted an entire day phase around her and would thus be inclined to fight against it in her ... own way.

even if the shot doesn't go through, there isn't any reason we wouldn't be able to just lynch her tomorrow; we have enough numbers. I don't see a reason not to at least attempt it in this scenario.

So you would rather let Yume, the most unhelpful player in the game, who has fakeclaimed vig, and who has a good chance of just wasting me shot due to asceticism, live through the night and likely into tomorrow when we will have to waste another lynch on her? And your big solution to not wasting the day today is to lynch the god damned claimed Treestump!?!?

No.

rn I <3 all things ari and utl

I am catching up.

[pirate mollie]

what the fuck is this game.

1. it isn't "optimal play" to vig a treestump, and the logic there is entirely arbitrary. correct me if I'm misreading something but the logic there literally appears to be "I'm a treestump so the optimal play is to vig me instead of lynching me"... how is this different from anything else, ever? it is completely baffling to me that so many people in this game seem to somehow buy into this, or are somehow against lynching her just because "treestump claim" when it hasn't been proven and it's well within expectation that she would fake it.

yes it is. lynching a claimed treestump for reasons based on "lets confirm her role!" gives scum a free lynch on town, 1 that they can participate in with impunity. by lynching a treestump and knowing you are lynching a treestump deprives vca content for later on in the game. this is why your play here is suboptimal and anti-town and I happen to think it is scummy cos no was can you be this bad.

2. the point that mollie wouldn't kill TTH because she was "her strongest town read and working with her" is a bad one; I went back to double check and TTH wasn't working with mollie at all nor did she even explicitly state a town read on her. mollie did, on the other hand, state a town read on TTH in 838... for being "cranky town", since that's a good reason to want to think someone is town... based on exactly one post TTH made... so no, the TTH kill isn't impossible from her like she's attempting to claim it is, it could easily be a kill due to not wanting to risk having to play around her any longer. on top of that, the entire argument ignores that mollie is not the only scum in this game; it could easily have been directed by someone else.

uhm. tth said she thought that I was softing treestumo and that I was likely telling the truth and it was very very likely that I was town cos scum treestumps are bad for games.

did you miss that post in your iso dive? do you need me to pull it up? she thought that I was town, we were very clearly working together on foxbird, see now you are outright lying which is why I think you are scum. cos tth said this.

and I don't do fearkills, I do lulz kills.

I might go through mollie's posts again and explain my read on her in more depth, actually. Mala, I'd still like a more in-depth explanation of why you're town reading her.

I wld like you to explain your read to me in depth since I am the 1 you are saying you have an in depth read on and I have yet to see it. cos so far your read on me is garbage.

mala plz don't answer her until she does this tia

[pirate mollie]

I mean, pie, you want to argue that we need to kill the treestump claim, I can argue that we need to kill the ascetic claim.

that is not what I'm arguing at all and I'm not sure where you're getting this impression? I want mollie dead because she's scum, not because of what she claimed. the claim only comes into play because everyone seems to think it's somehow a town claim, which is incorrect.

except.

I am. not. scum.

so you can stop your lying bullshit.

[pirate mollie]

All right, argue me that a treestump can be a scum claim.

if she's scum then she has a completely different role and the treestump claim is made up.

this isn't that hard.

so

you think that I wld fakeclaim as scum? did I do this in ff7? cos I am pretty sure that I didn't I claimed odd night jk which...was my actual role. ftr I don't fakeclaim as scum cos I fuck it up every single time the 1 time I I claimed tried self fruit vendor/town blocker and I messed that 1 up in a hilarious way. like I am terrible at fakeclaiming which is why I don't do it.

[pirate mollie]

correction: I do fake claim vt cos I know I won't mess that 1 up.

[pirate mollie]

Actually a better question is:
Why would scum fakeclaim a treestump?

because people will look at it ... in the way that you're doing ... and go "oh, that's a town claim"?

you cannot be this fucking dense

don't you dare call layla dense cos she isn't. YOU are the 1 who is trying to twist the recounting of the flow of the game by making shit up and lying.

[pirate mollie]

If you really thought that I'm townreading mollie solely for the claim itself, you are absolutely mistaken.

Is that the only thing you got?

it isn't, but you're the one who was asking me how I was seeing her claim as a scum claim.

I'll go into more detail on my read on her sometime later when my brain can function properly.

this is you stalling on saying why I am scum cos you are hoping my wagon will somehow push through. like if you have thought about your scumread on me in depth like you say you have then you shld have no problem popping out a reason.

[pirate mollie]

Oh cool.
Because what she was worried about was losing a vote not the optimal play of dealing with a treestump.

I'm kinda disappointed because that's the one argument I hoped not to see from you.

I love you, layla

[pirate mollie]

she quite clearly is attempting to push that she's a treestump and that it's a stupid idea to lynch her because she's a treestump, and has done so in one of her posts directed *to you*. see: 1976, 1957 and those are just the most recent ones.

her vote had nothing to do with it. you are misreading her "you will lose a town vote" as a literal statement, when it's effectively supposed to have the same meaning as "you're mislynching me".

no, I am quite clearly saying that I am treestump and that scum wld want my vote removed, I said after I was stumped that scum wld discredit anything I had to say. that is the scum motivation for pushing me. I am offering myself for vig cos layla is saying that some town may want me to confirm my role (which is stupid btw) so that at least scum won't have a wagon to hide on cos "oh policy lynch!".

I reeeeeaally do not like how you want yume vigged but not lynched when her wagon wld have more info than mine. your prioroties look like you want to deprive town with as much information as you can.

which comes from scum motivation.

[pirate mollie]

Foxbird, where are you leaning atm and if it's Yume what can I do to get you to vote mollie? (also, to answer your question, this kind of behavior is standard for Yume, yes.)

I can go for Yume or Mollie, I guess? Either way it looks like whoever's left will be vigged anyway, so I'm not sure what difference it makes.
Someone mentioned other vig targets today but I forgot who it was. May have been Skybird?
Do you support the whole "vig Yume" thing?

pie is the 1 who is pushing for the vig yume after ari already tried and it failed.

[pirate mollie]

frankly, anyone who isn't voting mollie after that series of posts is bad at the game.

she's being blatantly disingenuous and there are people fucking town reading her for it.

point out where I am being disingenuous

also do you need me to find the post where tth was pretty confident that I was town? cos you seemed to have missed that when you said that you iso-ed her.

I am at work for most of the day. when I get off of work I respond to the game. I do it in multiple posts so I can address each 1 point in its own post so that pple do not have to deal with walls.

this is something that I have always done. then every1 started to do it cos it is easier in isos and respoting points. you have never had a problem with it until now.

is that gonna be your angle of your discred when I flip exactly what I say I am going to flip? that I am spamming the thread with game relevant multi-posts so therefore pple shld not listen to me?

[pirate mollie]

also:

treestump

That's exactly what I thought.

I wanted to make Hades in Disney Villain UPick a scum treestump but Antihero wouldn't let me because he said the role only works as a town role, a scum treestump has the potential to wreck the game since their optimal play after dying is to spam the thread and make the game unplayable.
So I treated the treestump softclaim as town.

^ this post. yeah. tth was townreading me and I was townreading her.

utl is clearing ari, which is why I am not going after ari. I think utl and layla are both town.

this is the axis that I am spinning from.

[pirate mollie]

point out where I am being disingenuous

I'm not particularly interested in arguing back and forth with you. it's as I said: you're not doing this for the end goal of clear discussion, you just want to drag the thread into a huge argument with the end goal of making me look worse than you, and you're already doing it by pulling up "I address each point in its own post" as if it's somehow relevant to anything I said (the point I'm making being nothing you're writing is compelling at all, all you're doing is posting a bunch of bullshit and hoping people accept it as truth without thinking critically).

I will explain my read on you in full exactly when I am ready to, and I sure as hell am not going to go out of my way to do it in response to _you_ asking for it when it's obvious this is what you're doing.

okay then.

well once I am dead and still posting you will have to explain it then cos otherwise I will spam the game until you are dead cos you are totally stalling on this and I think it is cos you know you don't have a leg to stand on so now you are trying to come up with a "plan B" in order to do damage control.

what I really want from you right now is to talk to me as if I had already flipped town tree stump. I wld love to have something to refer back to you if you try to ignore me as a flipped town treestump. if you really are town, plz?

cos I don't know. the utl game I played hit me hard, and I can see an avenue where you MIGHT be deathtunneling town.

which is why I want to have a convo with you so that when I flip town and still am posting I have reference point to work from with you. also to catch you in any smarmy discrediting.

[pirate mollie]

I also might not respond immediately cos I have to eat in a few minutes.

also believe me I am capable of explaining the read, and I am more than capable of forming well-thought out reads as scum, which is a large part of why I find it so completely baffling that you keep claiming I'm "stalling" (despite this not being a thing that happens ever and something that I have no benefit to doing as scum) - I'm not, I just don't see any benefit to going into it in-depth right at this second.

how much does your "capability of forming well-thought out reads as scum" require time? cos this is d2 of IRL where you have been pushing my lynch w/o providing a well in-depth scumread on me while asking other players to explain their townread on me in depth.

you aren't doing what you are asking other players to do, and keep providing reasons as to why you aren't doing this. why yes, I wld call that stalling. and I am calling it scummy.

the benefit is that it gives TOWN!TREESTUMP!ME a premise to work from cos I am not going anywhere.

[pirate mollie]

how much does your "capability of forming well-thought out reads as scum" require time? cos this is d2 of IRL where you have been pushing my lynch w/o providing a well in-depth scumread on me while asking other players to explain their townread on me in depth.

I'm not a player who BS's reads as I go when I'm scum, I'm a very internally consistent scum player in that when I'm scum I am constantly emulating a consistent view of the game and drawing most of my reads from it. I don't need extra time to generate reads.

especially recently, it usually takes me a long time and requires a certain state of mind to explain reads in the way that I like because the thing that I hate the absolute most when I'm town is when people nitpick things that weren't actually the point I was attempting to make, or when people handwave points because there's some trivial issue that they're misinterpreting, or things along those lines, and I've seen a *lot* of it recently with the shift in site meta to a more concise play style (people have posted in this game that my "walls" were too long despite the fact that if you'll recall nothing I posted this game was long by my standards at all) - thus I like to take extra care to write out my posts in a way where everything is clear, people will actually read and listen to it and I'm sure there are no possible angles of attack on it.

okay

does this mean you technically do not have a problem with my multi-posting? cos you are kind of agreeing with me here when I say I do not want to post a wallish ketchup post but prefer to respond to each post individually.

so why am I scummy for I am "spamming"

[pirate mollie]

while I don't mind answering questions about myself, I was expecting this to be a "hashing out reads for after I flip" thing. hypothetically, if Yume were to flip town (she will) and you were to flip town, where would you want me to look next?

foxbird. it is where tth and I kissmet.

next beeboy. I want you to look at any1 who wants to take away my vote.

if you are town and we if are looking at the game quite differently then we shld absolutely talk, cos I don't think we have ever actually won a town game together. I think it is cos we approach the game quite differently, as far as how we sort it.

I am reaching out here.

do you see why utl's use of her night action has greatly helped town? she is clearing ari. this is golden given tth's sus of ari. so unless you think utl is scum with ari we have a goldmine right here.

this is huge.

town has a giant wealth of info to work from if we stick to the basics.

I don't mind dying cos I will be around regardless. I am trying to nip scum's scummy tactic's in the bud after my flip, cos my flip will not be a bad thing. I will flip town and keep posting. what I want is to negate are scum's loophole options for why they want to remove my vote.

I am being straight up here, what is what I am asking from you is whether or not you will listen to me as a treestump who can still post. will you?

and I wanna here about this in-depth read you have on me, cos there is a very clear breakdown in your critical thought processes and I want it spelled out so that you can see it for what it is or be caught out for scum stalliing, the latter which I think you are doing.

[pirate mollie]

if you are town and we if are looking at the game quite differently then we shld absolutely talk, cos I don't think we have ever actually won a town game together. I think it is cos we approach the game quite differently, as far as how we sort it.

We ha\/e actually only won town games together lol. (to be fair it is a sample of 2)
I will respond to this reach out tomorrow I promise

I am not talking to you, I am talking to pie.

but hey lets prove your role

VOTE: beeboy

[pirate mollie]

I really want to lynch foxbird btw

[pirate mollie]

next beeboy. I want you to look at any1 who wants to take away my vote.

kek I got confused cause of this part.

what were you confused about?

[pirate mollie]

idfk I saw my name.

and didn't read the post?

[pirate mollie]

I am going to start a list here of scumtells cos I want pple to benefit from what actually happens in the game and then later explain how these are not scumtells.

pie - lying
beegirl - posting from both accounts with impunity with the same avvie and sig and hair triggering on when his name is mentioned.

ftr i will keep this up all game.

[pirate mollie]

what I really hate about the 1v1 must be tvt argument is cos this a site meta thing. , lynch me I don't give a fuck, cos I can still post.

hence why I expect heavy discrediting to only come from scum.

and then there is foxbird.

[pirate mollie]

I don't take issue with the multi-posting itself (I find wall posts more readable but people these days apparently think not reading walls is cool for *insert shit reason here*, but that's beside the point), what I take issue with is that everything you posted was completely nonsensical. it isn't a novel scum tactic to just write lots and lots of words in the hopes that people will see it and go "look at all of those words, so town" or "oo a huge fight, it's T/T" without thinking critically about it and realizing that none of it makes any sense.

hence, my description of it as "flooding the thread with nonsense".

I did not talk about nonsensical stuff tho. I talked about game relevant information.

Foxbird is town, and at this point that's actually the one read I'm not willing to compromise on no matter what barring significant change. the reason isn't something I want to say right now but it should become evident sometime down the road. I'm well aware of TTH's read, but what I have should override it. apart from that, *if* I'm wrong on you, I would be willing to step back and listen, yes.[/vote]

are you not willing to compromise on her because on her cos she is willing to lynch either yume or me and I will flip town treestump like I am saying I will?

cos I am using this question for post flip. and I will not shut up about it.

I actually don't put it past UTL to do something like fake-clearing a townie as scum,

so while I think she's more likely town, I don't have her as bet-the-game town or anything like that. I think if one of {UTL, Aris} is scum, they aren't scum together, it's either UTL fake-clearing a townie or UTL is town and somehow got a false result, but this only applies *if* one of them is scum (it is likely both are town).

wrt the bold, why do you think this? can you plz give me in more depth reason? I am willing to wait after you have explained why I am scum. with in depth reason.

I haven't had any issue with beegirl's posts, though I would be open to going back and looking at her again if you were to flip town.

fantastic!

so you will agree to pester beegirl if I flip town?

I'm curious as to what your read on Layla is, since she's someone I've been looking at again recently.

I have layla as town.

the issue with going in-depth on the read on you is that even if this conversation is supposed to happen under the context of you having flipped town

, if you're scum it still allows you to do the exact same thing I was hoping to avoid earlier (and still am hoping to avoid): try to make it look like you've refuted my read on you by posting things that are largely irrelevant to what I was actually posting. the entire reason I didn't immediately jump straight into posting the entire read in full is because if I posted it in the middle of our exchange, not only would it likely result in completely blowing up the thread unless I cut it off anyway, but no one would give a shit because "lel T/T argument too many words". I figured it would be more effective to get people talking about their reads on you first, and then go in-depth on it so that I could use it as a reference if there was demand for it.

wrt the bold: if i were to flip town why wld this ever be a problem for you other than the bullshitty reasons that you have given?

cos you are stalling for bullshitty reasons.
cos all this is, is you stalling

[pirate mollie]

broken quotes

I am too tired to fix them

[pirate mollie]

oh and let me ask the simplest of questions: if I am scum, who are my partners?

[pirate mollie]

if you are town and we if are looking at the game quite differently then we shld absolutely talk, cos I don't think we have ever actually won a town game together. I think it is cos we approach the game quite differently, as far as how we sort it.

We ha\/e actually only won town games together lol. (to be fair it is a sample of 2)
I will respond to this reach out tomorrow I promise

actually it was pie that I was saying this to. I have never won a town game with pie. like ever. we have been 5 or 6 games together. when I said, "next beeboy" I was referring to the 2 pple who want to remove my vote. cos that is the only thing that will happen.

you and I have won games together, but remember the game that we lost? you are doing the exact same thing here. like, the EXACT SAME THING.

oh and I just got home from work so I will be posting a lot during my ketchup.

[pirate mollie]

oh, I already responded to that post. I wasn't sure if I did last night or not, I was dead tired and I am on these painkillers and they make me loopy.

[pirate mollie]

I am...really not understanding yume. I have seen her scumgame and all she does is lurk indefinitely until she is lynched. that is my only hesitance. but eh, mebbe her scum partner told her to post more. if they did I sure bet they are regretting it now.

utl I will likely vote yume but I want some more discussion.

[pirate mollie]

hey pie

are you going to address my post where tth correctly read my soft and how it makes sense that I wld nk her? her top scumread was foxbird and...why do you have her as town again?

[pirate mollie]

why do you have her as town again?

this should be obvious.

treat me like I am stoopid and spell it out

[pirate mollie]

Congrats on seeing that my reads aren't very developed but a good chunk of the game is completely MIA and I think generally people aren't doing really alignment indicative things.

can you walk me through your Foxbird read in more depth?

Right, "weirded out" is not throwing shade at all. You were just complimenting my quirky personality and I must've taken it the wrong way.
And OMGUS certainly is a scumtell. Shucks, how did I forget that? How could I not townread you pushing someone who I think is probably town and pivoting to someone who I know is town?

I don't take issue with the fact that you take issue with me being suspicious at you; I take issue with the way you went about it. you could have easily done something like asking me to explain in more depth why I was weirded out on you, or telling me I was being dumb, or even just ignoring it and seeing how it would play out, or anything along those lines. instead, you drew attention to the fact that I hadn't explained anything at that point and claimed it was "throwing shade".

that doesn't read like you were trying to sort me, it reads like you were trying to discredit me. the fact that you didn't try to sort through any of the town reads on me until after I had stated suspicion on you is the same type of thing; you easily could have asked e.g. Luna or beegirl why they were reading my kraska push as town if you didn't agree with it.

I just want to make this bold and very large cos really, how many times have you asked other players to go in depth on their reads and then not do so in your read? and then ignore the person's in-depth read?

hhhmmm...I wonder...

[pirate mollie]

it isn't something I should say, but try reading my posts from earlier this game day again.

yeah I found nothing in your iso to explain why you have such a strong townread on foxbird.

[pirate mollie]

Every time I try to get into this game there's another fight that makes me feel apathetic about this again. I am intending to lurk less, but this nonsense last night made me not wanna post. Sorry.

I'll try and toss out some reads anyway.

{TTH, beegirl, pie}
{Layla, UTL, Luna}
{LLD, Ari, Skybird}
{Yume, mollie, Mala}

I can give explanations if you want them, but at the moment I really don't feel like writing up a wall.

pedit: a hammer? oh

Can you all try and cool your heads during the night so the game becomes more readable tomorrow? Thanks.

so you posted this.

now that you are all into the game now can you post explanations of these reads and the mechanics for the grouping?

ty

[pirate mollie]

you have got to be kidding me.

if it's not completely obvious based on our interactions from earlier, then tough. I'm not going into any more specifics at this point in the game.

does anybody else see what pie is talking about who isn't foxbird?

cos I don't and it bothers me

[pirate mollie]

it isn't something I should say, but try reading my posts from earlier this game day again.

yeah I found nothing in your iso to explain why you have such a strong townread on foxbird.

Really?
It wasn't very hard to deduce...

I am tired. plz explain it to me

[pirate mollie]

I am tired. plz explain it to me

Obviously whatever role Foxbird mentioned when talking about her night action (directed at Pie) was enough to get a solid townread.

What I like about this is that Foxbird mentioned it in a helpful way, and Pie didn't jump at it, but accepted it despite it not being relevant to what she was doing at the time. It is obvious Pie dwelled upon it and cane out with a townread on Foxbird.

The whole interaction is something I see coming from town mindsets all around, and thus I am not too worried about the slots at the moment.

thank you. this was really helpful.

I am okay with being vigged but what I wld really love is a solid readslist from you that I can support in the face of in case that I am dying. cos it looks likely and I am still gonna post.

[pirate mollie]

I wld also love a link to the post where the exchange happened. that wld be wonderful.

[pirate mollie]

I await with bated breath then

[pirate mollie]

I could out my opinion.

now that I have had a breather plz divulge

cos I am really frustrated.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: yume

[pirate mollie]

thats L-1 btw

[pirate mollie]

Hey Mollie.

What are your thoughts on LLD again?

This person is the scums, probably.

oh really

what are you doing to sort her out?

[pirate mollie]

Someone with a targeting action better ensure Mollie flips scum / gets stumped tonight.

so you believe my claim

WHY THE FUCK ARE PPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS LIKE WHY

[pirate mollie]

why

[pirate mollie]

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: lld

[pirate mollie]

HI PIE!

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: lld

?

I used my one shot on you last night. >.>

I know and I had a tear in my eye!

vote stands

[pirate mollie]

well this is fucking stupid.

my first inclination is that if I cross-reference mollie's reads with mine, I get {Layla, Mala, beegirl}. I'm not exactly sure if this is what's going on, particularly with regard to Layla/Mala, so I'm going to go do some rereading.

also, LLD is telling the truth about having targeted mollie, so if I was to lynch her, it wouldn't be over that.

how do you know that she is telling the truth about role-copping me?

[pirate mollie]

HI PIE!

hi.

do you have any opinion in particular re: Layla/Mala interactions this game?

where is my apology and the part where you realize that your premise for reading me was fucked up. cos before I give 2 shits about this game I wld like to know that you are srsly looking at where you erred.

[pirate mollie]

The thing is though when you're on the stride you're not this horribly wrong.

In case of mollie, the first thing you ever freaking do when you think someone is fakeclaiming is to see if their behavior matches the claim. Looking at that was really enough to see if Mollie was being honest about her claim. And you go standard textbook "lol scum would do this general thing" BS. I went on and pretended that I was willing to lynch mollie to show you more about how she was reacting.

I guess this is partially on me for forgetting to mention this and I mean no offense to anyone involved in this paragraph, but "sprouting BS" is what mollie tend to do regardless of her alignment. (By "sprouting BS", I mean something going wrong in the communication process and both side talking about a totally different thing due to misunderstanding). Since you're keep assuming that people would do exact same thing that you think they would do I will assume the same thing and say that since youve played with Mollie enough you acknowledge the trait.

and there goes my motivation

wow thanks guy.

I am already lynched there is zero town motivation to discredit me when I don't even have a fucking vote, unless you wanted to be a dick or are scum

[pirate mollie]

Case in point.

Never in my post I have said anything to discredit you nor attempted to, since I'm more like the guy who tries to get an understanding from miscommunication instead of yelling for misrep. I guess it kinda sounded bad cos of the quoted word? (I kinda quoted that from pie, hence the quote). But then I explained right after that so yeah.

Basically, it wasn't a discredit, but arguing that pie's point is wrong.
(Also im aware that it's pointless to argue whether it's right or wrong since mollie already flipped and stuff, but discerning that is not why I'm arguing about this in the first place so)

you said I spew bs no matter what. that is discrediting.

and it is what I expect scum to try to do to a treestump.

[pirate mollie]

Can we mass claim?

we absolutely are not massclaiming. it's incorrect in this position and I'll fight it with all of my power.

it is d3 in a mini. yes its okay to massclaim

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: mala

^^^^^^^^

and then you post this and then I know you are town. I was right in that read I think.

[pirate mollie]

I mean, Pie is right on why Beeboy is wrong, but I also want my shots to go in the right direction.
I'm listening Pie, it's just that if we do this wrong, it's GG Game over.

do you feel like it was in the "right direction" n2?

[pirate mollie]

I don't understand why it is not a good argument.

:serious face:

and then you make posts like these and I am like OMG CHEEKY SCUM

[pirate mollie]

I mean, Pie is right on why Beeboy is wrong, but I also want my shots to go in the right direction.
I'm listening Pie, it's just that if we do this wrong, it's GG Game over.

if we do this wrong, it's 25% chance of saving the game if we keep the rest of the roles up in the air today, most likely GG game over if we massclaim today. that's the entire reason a massclaim is really bad here.

you don't massclaim in a role-madness game in a MYLO (specifically a MYLO, not a LYLO) situation unless you're sure there's no beneficial roles left.

wat

[pirate mollie]

you don't massclaim in a role-madness game in a MYLO (specifically a MYLO, not a LYLO) situation unless you're sure there's no beneficial roles left.

K, I'll trust you here.

why are you trusting pie

as some1 who he recently wanted lynched I am telling you her reasoning is awful.

signed,

~ town tree stump who pie wanted lynched for awful reasons

[pirate mollie]

you said I spew bs no matter what.

No, I said "something going wrong in the communication process and both side talking about a totally different thing due to misunderstanding".
I also said "spewing BS" was pie's word.

oic

now instead of feeling offended I think it is funny. and pretty accurate!

[pirate mollie]

I don't understand why it is not a good argument.

:serious face:

and then you make posts like these and I am like OMG CHEEKY SCUM

I'm always cheeky.

(Ok I google image'd "cheeky" and the first related image group it shows me is Victoria's Secret. RIP no image added this post)

ty for at least keeping the game fun <3

[pirate mollie]

I mean, Pie is right on why Beeboy is wrong, but I also want my shots to go in the right direction.
I'm listening Pie, it's just that if we do this wrong, it's GG Game over.

do you feel like it was in the "right direction" n2?

No, I knew you were Treestump based on your play and claims and stuff and I hated having to target you. What was I supposed to do though?

you cld have defended me and not vigged me

[pirate mollie]

so!

lets look at some vca.

at the end of d1:

Ari's

(3) yume, skybird,

tth

Mala (1)

luna

,

Yume

(2) mala,

mollie

Luna

(7) pie, lld,

utl

, layla, beegirl,

ari

no way that lynch is an all town wagon. scum LOVE lynching sks cos I have this strange idea that it somehow makes them look town.

at the end of d2:

Yume

(6)

utl

,

ari

, mala, skybird,

mollie

, layla
Mollie (3) lld, beegirl, pie,

Utl

(1)

yume

3 of the same pple who voted for luna, voted for me at the end of the day. I don't think that scum are bussing in this game.

there are 7 players alive, so if there are 3 scum we are in mylo.

[pirate mollie]

layla why did you not believe beeboy when he pointed this out?

[pirate mollie]

I expected 10:2:1 with SK flipped.

yeah, I think the game is pretty scum heavy with a 10:2:1 ratio. town are going to be stacked.

so why did you hammer yume again?

[pirate mollie]

so!

lets look at some vca.

at the end of d1:

Ari's

(3) yume, skybird,

tth

Mala (1)

luna

,

Yume

(2) mala,

mollie

Luna

(7) pie, lld,

utl

, layla, beegirl,

ari

no way that lynch is an all town wagon. scum LOVE lynching sks cos

scum

have this strange idea that it somehow makes them look town.

at the end of d2:

Yume

(6)

utl

,

ari

, mala, skybird,

mollie

, layla
Mollie (3) lld, beegirl, pie,

Utl

(1)

yume

3 of the same pple who voted for luna, voted for me at the end of the day. I don't think that scum are bussing in this game.

there are 7 players alive, so if there are 3 scum we are in mylo.

fixed to what I meant to say

also I fixed luna's name at the bottom of d1

[pirate mollie]

layla look at the 2 lists. there is 1 name that is missing and this player is still alive, with a dead tth.

do you see what I am seeing

[pirate mollie]

and this?

layla look at the 2 lists. there is 1 name that is missing and this player is still alive, with a dead tth.

do you see what I am seeing

[pirate mollie]

@ ari

this is a hardcore reach out buddy, like I am arm is literally going to fall off, I am reaching out to you so hard. you know I am town and utl's guaranteed you but we really need to be working together. what do your reads look like rn?

[pirate mollie]

I'm reading it multiple times but I can't understand what it's saying. 1 name that is missing from where?

there is 1 name that is missing from both end of the day rounds. 1 name. as in that player has no vote at the end of the day. for 2 days.

[pirate mollie]

I think he's being cleared by pie for going something friendly neighbor on him or something.

yeah and I want an explanation for it.

yo pie, I want you to explain your townread on foxbird

why are you assuming that pie is telling the truth?

pros for scum!foxbird are:

* has not done jackshit all game. the only push they have made has on me. they are not trying to solve the game in any meaningful way.

* tth and I both scumread her d1.

* tth died n1.

pros for town!foxbird

other than pie softing an inno on her I can't think of a single thing.

[pirate mollie]

@ ari

this is a hardcore reach out buddy, like I am arm is literally going to fall off, I am reaching out to you so hard. you know I am town and utl's guaranteed you but we really need to be working together. what do your reads look like rn?

I'm reaching back to meet you in the middle! I am going to do some hardcore reading in this game and come back guns a blazing! Please don't fall off on me! We need you now more than ever!

okay skybird cld be the scum off the wagon of the sk, who is scum on the sk lynch?

[pirate mollie]

@ ari

this is a hardcore reach out buddy, like I am arm is literally going to fall off, I am reaching out to you so hard. you know I am town and utl's guaranteed you but we really need to be working together. what do your reads look like rn?

I'm reaching back to meet you in the middle! I am going to do some hardcore reading in this game and come back guns a blazing! Please don't fall off on me! We need you now more than ever!

I am also going to do so some re-reading myself. I work thursday and friday but I will do as much as I can.